Comment on Halcyon-class Block III SSN by Afterskies
Actually, Russian subs have been rated to be comparable to only the 688i, where as Americans still field the Seawolf and Virginia class.
I dont known... II have seen documentaries about US submarines and about Russian submarines, this is like compare the testimony of two murder suspects that are seeking to incriminate each other, you really dont known what of the two is telling the true.
So, I will go for the Russians, after the germany wall fall and most of their secrets come out is more easy trust in that and the lies and the secrets of US military.
So, I will go for the Russians, after the germany wall fall and most of their secrets come out is more easy trust in that and the lies and the secrets of US military.
US Military secrets and lies are most often covering up their true capabilities. Being in the military, all I really hear is "Whoo, man, if I could tell you what X or Y can REALLY do..."
We undersell ourselves so very much. Seriously.
We undersell ourselves so very much. Seriously.
Yeah I Known that, the issue that if you exagerate to much isnt not very credible, the military spend to much lying that that begin to believe their own lie, then when they go to wars they end it underestimating their enemies, so because of that they lose the last two wars.
And dont give me that crap of tactical withdrawal, a lost war is a lost war, no matter how you called it.
And dont give me that crap of tactical withdrawal, a lost war is a lost war, no matter how you called it.
Two? And we "lost" Vietnam politically, not militarily. We were bombing the hell out of Ho Chi Min city, the NVA's military pretty much consisted of nothing but their generals, and we'd effectively fought the war six times over and beaten them six times over with how many times Congress told us to stop for "peace talks" which they just used to regroup and resupply. The military was doing fine in every way, except in the public's eyes. Our kill-death ratios versus the Vietnamese were climbing to never before seen records in any previous war, and our pilots were getting better by the day. We had them outgunned, outmanned, outteched, we were killing them faster than they could kill us, taking strategic points like it was no bodies business, et cetera.
And then Congress happened.
We underestimated our enemies at first. Then we stopped and learned.
The military really doesn't lie as much as you'd think. Half truths, certainly. They'll beat the hell out of omitting information, but lying, not so much. This isn't Hollywood where the military is some giant faceless entity whose soldiers wear masks so you don't have to think of them as people, where conspiracies run rampant and soldiers don't give a crap about their countrymen.
And then Congress happened.
We underestimated our enemies at first. Then we stopped and learned.
The military really doesn't lie as much as you'd think. Half truths, certainly. They'll beat the hell out of omitting information, but lying, not so much. This isn't Hollywood where the military is some giant faceless entity whose soldiers wear masks so you don't have to think of them as people, where conspiracies run rampant and soldiers don't give a crap about their countrymen.