HumanNature84's avatar
There are no perfect systems, only trade-offs. We can neither have socialism or capitalism without is going south!
onure's avatar
I am not talking about perfect systems. I am just talking about the current system we are living in. And this one is a big mess.
HumanNature84's avatar
Like I said, Its not the system, It's the people. People are all evil and corrupt, but the leaders of the system want us to focus on the system not the people RUNNING the system so we could switch it out.

No group of people on the planet past or future was ever able to make any system work. But there is one that would work but it will be rejected by the whole world!
onure's avatar
Just to say People are all evil and corrupt is too simple. Which people do you mean, what do you mean by evil and corrupt? What makes people act evil and corrupt? Maybe, you should be more precise in your argumentation.
The second thing: we can hear the People are all evil and corrupt stuff a thousand times day by day from sociologists, psychiatrist, religious and political leaders and lawyers. They say it because it is a great way for them to let the majority of human material know that they depend on states, laws, restrictions and of course on the monetary system.
The third thing: You have said: "...leaders of the system want us to focus on the system not the people RUNNING the system...". Exactly the opposite is the case. Have a look on democracy for example: Media focus us on this or that leader of this or that party to make us vote for them without giving precise and objective information about function of democracy and the relationship between democracy and capitalism. We are not focused on the system, we are focused on persons, on leaders, on parties and on their disputes.
The fourth thing: "...No group of people on the planet past or future was ever...". It is not sensible to care about the past because it already has happened, forget it. History is a perfect excuse for acting now as dumb as people used to act in the past. Nietzsche has a great writing about the function of history for our life, the title: "Vom Nutzen und Nachteil der Historie für das Leben". Care about now, our present time. And the future? I don't have a clue about the future, so it is useless to debate about it.
HumanNature84's avatar
I'm really not arguing with you man i'm just stating that any system created by man kind will be flawed.
onure's avatar
:) No, it's ok to share ideas, that is not arguing I think. And I am just saying that we still should think about different ways after we have analyzed the current situation even if systems created by humans will be flawed like you say. Thanks for your comments by the way.
HumanNature84's avatar
We are not in control of ANY system.
Pheasant-One's avatar
People are always going to be evil and corrupt!

Just look at the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, and China.

Communism and Capitalism are just two sides of the same coin, they promise you the world, glory, and prosperity beyond you're wildest dreams and once they come into office, they spit on you're rights as a human being and on all of those who died in the name of the revolution.

You can't just sweep Fidel Castro or Augusto Pinochet under the rug and tell yourself, "We'll do better! I'm a true Communist/Capitalist!" you have to learn from history and stop braging.

Both ideologies have their pros and cons, but they both have blood on their hands.
onure's avatar
Why you don't start to make up your own mind instead of repeating the simple and old propaganda teachers, polticians and media tells us day by day? Maybe, you should read the text again carefully and you will notice that I am not talking about the Soviet Union and all the other states who claim to be communists, I don't care about single politicians like Castro or all those guys. I don't talk about history as well. My deviation deals with the current system which is ruling NOW and the relationship between critical minds and the system.
Pheasant-One's avatar
Typical, those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
onure's avatar
And those who know history use it for the mess they are creatng now for their own profit by saying: "It always have been like this, so shut up, don't think about reasons and keep on being nothing else but human material for states & companies." So why should I care about things which happened in the past as long as history is used for nothing else but legitimizing the current mess?