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*Robsonnet:iconRobsonnet: Sep 1, 2005, 7:33:44 AM
This is excellent. I do a lot of commenting for developing poets--I know, that's all of us, but you know what I mean--and this will be a great resource to offer them.

Several of the young poets I'm watching are keen on writing sonnets. The rhyme scheme they can handle, (although I can't seem to get many of them interested in Petrarchian), but iambic pentameter hangs them up nearly every time. What I've started advising them is to forget the rhymes for a while and just practice writing lots of blank verse. Once they get comfortable with the rhythmic flow of it, they can get back to rhymes, and maybe we'll start talking about voltas and such.

As for me, I must confess I didn't know half of those terms, so this will be a useful resource for me as well. You explain them quite clearly, and your examples bring it all to life. The Coleridge poem alone was worth the reading time.

I found myself wishing you'd said just a tad more at the outset about the necessity of applying a bit of discipline to one's creative efforts. But I suspect that's just my personal pique at the talented but lazy writers here who regard any editing or even basic proofreading as anathema.

Thanks for your continued efforts, which I'm sure will do far more good than will ever be properly acknowledged.

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Ed
"If you're not confused, you're misinformed." - Tom Clancy
The Trouble with a Love Poem

Devious Comments

~sto67:iconsto67: Sep 1, 2005, 4:10:04 AM
sorry i can't be of help here, but i honestly think that this is fine as is. any more and i think it would be too simplistic and beating a dead horse, any less and i think it would be too sparse.
this really should get stickied somewhere -_-"

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`darkcrescendo:icondarkcrescendo: Sep 1, 2005, 4:19:37 AM
I'll see what the majority opinion is - but once I settle on a final draft, and if I feel it is useful enough, I'll have a yarn with some folks, and see where it would best be placed to be of use.

My thanks for the feedback!

So - how are your metrical efforts going?

Benedictions!

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There is no escape from metre; there is only mastery.
- T.S. Eliot 'Reflections on Vers Libre' 1917 [link]
*Robsonnet:iconRobsonnet: Sep 1, 2005, 7:33:44 AM
This is excellent. I do a lot of commenting for developing poets--I know, that's all of us, but you know what I mean--and this will be a great resource to offer them.

Several of the young poets I'm watching are keen on writing sonnets. The rhyme scheme they can handle, (although I can't seem to get many of them interested in Petrarchian), but iambic pentameter hangs them up nearly every time. What I've started advising them is to forget the rhymes for a while and just practice writing lots of blank verse. Once they get comfortable with the rhythmic flow of it, they can get back to rhymes, and maybe we'll start talking about voltas and such.

As for me, I must confess I didn't know half of those terms, so this will be a useful resource for me as well. You explain them quite clearly, and your examples bring it all to life. The Coleridge poem alone was worth the reading time.

I found myself wishing you'd said just a tad more at the outset about the necessity of applying a bit of discipline to one's creative efforts. But I suspect that's just my personal pique at the talented but lazy writers here who regard any editing or even basic proofreading as anathema.

Thanks for your continued efforts, which I'm sure will do far more good than will ever be properly acknowledged.

--
Ed
"If you're not confused, you're misinformed." - Tom Clancy
The Trouble with a Love Poem
~SirenSong135:iconSirenSong135: Sep 1, 2005, 12:44:50 PM
:worship: My focus trailed away a little bit on the defenitions for types of meter, but I read it over again and it proved to be very helpful. If you're set on further inprovement, see what you can do about keeping the audience's full attention. =}

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~xXminceXx:iconxXminceXx: Sep 2, 2005, 1:49:15 AM
That was enlightening! Thanks Crescendo. :)

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~l0stwhispers:iconl0stwhispers: Sep 2, 2005, 4:51:45 AM
I shall fav this, just in case I lose the website you gave me. =) Awesome help!

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`darkcrescendo:icondarkcrescendo: Sep 3, 2005, 6:03:51 AM
I found myself wishing you'd said just a tad more at the outset about the necessity of applying a bit of discipline to one's creative efforts. But I suspect that's just my personal pique at the talented but lazy writers here who regard any editing or even basic proofreading as anathema.

Well, I think of it this way - anyone willing to go to the effort of reading this deviation probably has the right idea in the first place. Anyone who can't be bothered checking spelling, grammar, or syntax is unlikely to care about metre enough to read an article like this.

I prefer some of the sonnet hybrids that Philip Sidney and Fulke Greville came up with in their works. They have just the right mixture of English and Italian sonnets :)

My thanks for the feedback!

Benedictions

--
There is no escape from metre; there is only mastery.
- T.S. Eliot 'Reflections on Vers Libre' 1917 [link]
`darkcrescendo:icondarkcrescendo: Sep 3, 2005, 6:07:41 AM
Unfortunately, there is little I can do to make the definitions of the different types of metre any more interesting than I have.
The topic is a bit dry, but the poetic technique is of undeniable benefit to a poet who takes the time to work with it. :)

My thanks for the feedback!

Benedictions

--
There is no escape from metre; there is only mastery.
- T.S. Eliot 'Reflections on Vers Libre' 1917 [link]
`darkcrescendo:icondarkcrescendo: Sep 3, 2005, 7:25:12 AM
I hope it is of some use to you.

Benedictions!

--
There is no escape from metre; there is only mastery.
- T.S. Eliot 'Reflections on Vers Libre' 1917 [link]
*fraterm:iconfraterm: Sep 4, 2005, 11:43:46 AM
I agree with ~sto67 's comments on the matter. The things I'd directly alter are one or a few mistakes, all at the beginning.

The one that bugged me was:
"THAT is metre. You can use it to create many types of rhythm upon demand, and you can use it to create that rhythm so it is nice and smooth and glides like words on ice." - End portion should change to 'glides like (insert simile target other than words/ice skater/mittens/kittens) on ice. Great line... though despite it.

I'd vote for boldification of the portions of the examples that are stressed also.

The summation portion is also grand... the importance of the knowledge of a technique if only to broaden the overall skill, even if it is not to be used as a focus, overall.