sausage-of-joy's avatar
guess again.
the graphite pencil is a thing of wonders dammit. I've seen people do amazing depth with an ordinary graphcite pencil, portraits or just drawings it is by far NOT limited. only people are limited. oped mediusm like that are just wrong for the narrow minded folks.
and in the end limitations provided not by yourself doesn't help anything. it doesn't make the end resutl better in any was and it doesn't improve the artist. just like a limited medium suggest the artist becomes limited by using it . tada! simple really.
poetry is a different art type rather than the visual and they can be compared but not in this case. we're talking about the visual technique. pulling in poetry now was just a bad idea and way of the road.
and I am in need to "open my mind". seriously. don't draw conclusions so fast there.
I'm thrive for variety and creating new things. breaking my limitations and limits within my skill.
if there's anyone who's preaching for keeping an open mind it's me haha.
I'm not saying for that matter that there's only one good type. but I think my point is pretty clear already and repeating myself would be to no use.
however long it might have taken to make an ansi piece or whatever effort there was too it. I've sene pencil artists throwing their skill onto paper. faster and with way more skill than any pixel based application.
as I said... mediums like that aren't limited... people are.
so open your mind eh. there's not just one way to use things. check yourself and your whatever "skill" you have. then break your limits on paper. just like any medium won't compensate for lack in other areas. digital mediums are no different to the straight eye.
enzo's avatar
I run a mobile software development company and work daily with vector drawings and 3D. How limited are you on those subjects? I really don´t care, so should you about ansi and it´s limitations, it´s a matter of choice.
diamondie's avatar
I agree with you that you can produce amazing things with the pencil. But it doesn't change the fact that it's a limited medium. Graphite pencil is only one color and it's only limited to one dimension (compare to sculpture, which is three-dimensional). That may sound like silly nitpicking, but I just wish you would realize that all mediums are limited. Some are more limited than others for sure, but I don't think ANSI is much more limited than graphite pencil. People are limited too if they think like you do. It's really offensive that you claim that there's more skill involved in pencil drawing and ANSI. I think pencil drawing is a great medium, but what you're saying is offensive and just not true.

One can produce amazing pictures with pencil and one can produce amazing pictures in ANSI. It requires skill, talent and practice. And yes, working in a limited medium does improve your artistic skills. It's silly to claim it doesn't. I only drew ASCII art for years (I did some acrylic painting on the side, but not that seriously), but I know it greatly improved my artistic skills and it really helped me when I moved to other types of visual art (pixel art, digital painting and many others). I know many great ASCII and ANSI artists who are also very talented in painting, pencil drawing or other mediums. And yes, poetry is a type of art just like pencil drawing and ANSI art. It is entirely relevant in this discussion, whether you want to admit it or not.

Unfortunately I have to say that your point didn't come clear at all. I found your message rather incoherent and irrational. You didn't really form any good arguments, just presented claims that weren't really supported by anything. But I would rather discuss this elsewhere (if you still want to reply to me, if not that's fine too), so please drop me a note or use my journal forum instead, so that we don't clutter up this piece. I just don't understand how you can claim to be so open-minded when you're clearly showing prejudice towards many types of art. To me it appears like hypocrisy.
sausage-of-joy's avatar
sorry for the bad comment then. I have a tendency to be doing several things at once and often think I'm writing something and miss some spots. but yeah
what I ment I guess was for what purpose you would be creating this work. and yes I am well aware of the limitations of mediums. but I just think that ANSI is limited in a really bad way so to speak.
and yes I think there's alot of confidence matters when using a pencil., not just overall skill but speed etc.
computer mediums of all sorts is a thing I have never been as confident with and I know others who feel the concerning it. that's number one for why I think ANSI is badly limited. second I don't see the point for it. I mean it's not like you can do a book and publish it with ansi work. sure you COULD but I'm sure it wouldn't do very well. don't get me wrong I'm not saying you should do what pleases. on the contrary what I mean is you can't create much more pieces than "for fun" stuff, and that is limited to me. even if you make an effort to make something very serious. in my opinion I think that style both in brushwork, colors, look and design and such are important to be able to take some works seriously. I dislike the mediocre market. and the industry of comics. it's all just a repitition of itself over and over.
so urrhm yeah.
enzo's avatar
Man, you are a real capitalist... Do you wanna work for me? ;)
sausage-of-joy's avatar
why do you spam? and why are you being a jerk.
I'm by far not a capitalist. I facking preach against that shit. but my view on what is "art" is differs-. and no I don't judge art by looks. what I mean is if the usage of ANSI has any significanse to the piece other than the artists own joy ride then it has no place there. just like alot of jerks on the internet think that digital mediums make their work "better". there seems to be that trend. nothing will compensate for anything when it comes to painting and drawing.
don't go shooting your mouth off at strangers. I was arguing with sensible and reasonable arguments. you're just being a jerk and trying to go off throwing personal attacks. wow way to go sonny. you really don't know hw to argue for any cause at all do you.
enzo's avatar
Sorry, you are the man period.
sausage-of-joy's avatar
licking ass won't really help either. if you're gonna bitch. add argument. and don't just come sucking up afterwards. take it like a man hah ;)
RiqGees's avatar
I agree with the sausage. Besides, I don't like it to be honest.
enzo's avatar
Thanks for wasting your time to view it anyway. =)