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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
First of all, hi, it's me, Rhiannon. o3o (That's not my real name, btw, I decided to change my Skype name due to some shit that happened earlier *cough*someonehackingintoourSkypetoreadofourconversationsforshitandgiggles*cough*)

I have to say that for the whole time, I've been neutral. I never cared for Aisha or her art and with Mari, uh.. let's just say that due to some personal inconveniences in the past, I didn't know if I should really support or believe everything she's said. Not that I'm condoning death-threats or whatever, but there was just something fishy about it.

The very first thing that made me suspicious was the whole Kas thing. As you can see, we talk to each other on Skype (Well... used to, but she hasn't been online since the very same day Mari's account got hacked). But the thing is that I found all this behavior that she's apparently been doing to be VERY out-of-character. I won't exactly list everything, but just something about this didn't seem real to me.

What really convinced me was the screencap of the note she made to sofine. For one thing, if she was online to be on dA, she would've at least been on Skype on the same day (Especially since she goes on Skype everyday, as opposed to dA, which she doesn't go to) But then I remember he telling me that there was no way she could've re-activated her account at the time due to some IP shit or whatever, and so I'm baffled as to how she could have done it then. Well that, and she's the LAST person I'd expect to type in txt talk, so it's either photoshopped or someone is just posing as her.

Oh and I went to some of the chats just out of curiosity and wow. It was just like going to a middle school playground. I'm not even joking, there was just poop jokes and gratuitous Japanese words thrown all over the place as a form of "humor".

tl;dr, I'm still gonna stay on the fence until there's a side I can actually fully-on agree with.
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pudding510 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Am I the only one who's completely lost?
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Nope, not at all.
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pudding510 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank God :(
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two-ghosts Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2012
wait, so how is any of this asia's fault? o.o
i mean i understand asia traced, but i don't understand the whole hacking thing having to do with it, if this is all true.
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I honestly don't think Aisha had a part in this too. Some people say she masterminded the whole "Kas hacking and sending death threats" and such, but I doubt it.
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Cassadactyl Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I really have to say thank your for your story too :0 ~ agreeing here with HiddenUserLunatic, i was against aisha and kas but now... I'm not sure what to think. Forever Neutral for now I guess
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
You're welcome! c: Yes, forever neutral indeed. :iconbrofistplz:
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Cassadactyl Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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skindle Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
As much as I consider you partially a friend ever since we met in December, there are still quite a few things I disagree with here. I've been stalking around MJIFC and I found that Kas/Gale posted some pretty controversial threads, which she got called out for by Members on the Site, thereafter Gale left MJIFC and moved onto MJDHI along with Abby. As much as I know from this, Gale got aggressive and left flaming the Members of MJIFC pretty immaturely, so I can see how she'd do something like this.

I also remember back in 2009-2010 when Gale hacked :iconringygirl: for stealing artworks that didn't belong to her, she continued to hack this member after the first apology from her on other accounts such as :icondoodlequeen12: where Gale referred to :iconsmilingclock: afterwards. She was banned multiple times from IP and participating in the DA hacking which happened back in early 2011, where famous artists such as Genzoman were deactivated by a group of hackers. Gale isn't an innocent person, from what I gather, far worse. I understand how you'd like to defend your friend, but what she's done over the past couple years is implausible.

Now, we all remember last year where the situation with Stephanie :iconsweetfedora77: came back to DeviantART from their account old account :iconshinyjackets77: after almost being banned, now Stephanie and her posse consisting of :iconkittykatie72:, :iconmichiiejackson:, :iconsternenlight: and :iconstrawberryr: harassed Rai to no end, where she almost committed suicide. I warned her that after this incident not to go back to DeviantART, however, she didn't want to abandon :iconmariamkq: since they were pretty much good friends and still are, as far as I know. Now, Stephanie emotionally traumatized both Rai and Mariam by posting a book with all their DA usernames in threatening to publish it online.
This was all because Kas pulled Rai into the situation, all because Kas didn't believe Stephanie and in turn both Rai and Kas tried to get Stephanie disowned. Both contacted Defta on youtube to try and get rid of Stephanie and Katy. Rai was right to, since Stephanie was stalking Rai and Mariam on personal levels. If I remember correctly that day Kas logged into Rai's account and noted everyone who Rai knew personally that she'd gone to Hospital since she tried to kill herself. (Rai is mentally unstable for a thirteen year old.) Which means that Kas must've hacked Rai's accounts more than three times over the past couple years, and so... it escalated to a grotesque point.

Now, when Rai came back she got Stephanie's E-mail from Defta, thus proving that Rai can't hack for shit. No offense, but she'd have to go to others for help with that. Rai contacted Stephanie's parents who only threatened to have her disowned. Stephanie came back and linked :iconkittykatie72: to her new E-mail and personally requested that Katie send it to the children Stephanie knew on DA. Rai got hold of that and reported Stephanie again.

Now, I feel a lot of sympathy for Rai on this situation mentioned considering she was the one dragged into it. But, that doesn't excuse her from being an imbecile. Rai is pretty stupid and in of herself sometimes, but when she apologizes she actually means it and spends days secluding herself from everyone, even me. I know Rai IRL which is why I know everything. I've been here for a long time on another account, I'd rather not give that out though. I stalked this whole situation for a while just in case Rai did something that caused the situation to be worse than the one with Stephanie, so, yes. I know who you are very well ;)

I also know that you and Kas never really liked Rai due to tiffs in the past, the whole reason Kas and Rai stopped being friends is because Kas dragged her into the Stephanie situation.
I remember Kas used to defend Rai to a pretty good point, but now that's all gone. There was the occasional praise for Rai on her artworks, since I admit, she's pretty good for her age. *Though, me being the same age as her I still admit she'll have to have some more practice) but on the whole, Kas was being a douchebag of a friend to Rai by talking behind her back and hacking her accounts.
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I do remember the whole Stephanie thing. Though that was a long time ago, and I had expected both Kas and Rai were completely over that now since they apparently still talked to each other afterwards. However, if my memory serves, I always thought that even if Rai was somehow dragged into it, I always thought at one point she was dragging it on way longer than Kas. Sometimes would even start it (Since I remember her making an account after the whole drama was over, only to start annoying Miichie, though that was soon ignored). But oh well, that's just one way I saw it.

I remember with the Aisha thing though, I specifically told Kas to not be involved with it anymore, because Kas was worried that she'd probably be in an ED article for being involved. Kas was reluctant at first, because she said Rai would somehow plead and beg her for help. I then told Kas to just ignore her to let her deal with it alone, and Rai apparently didn't take it too well so she decided to take over her MSN to tell me that Kas apparently hates me for no specific reason. Que Kas logging back into her MSN and saying she felt no contempt for me of the sort.

I'm not actually denying that Kas is able to hack, especially since she's said it to me herself. I admit, maybe the hacking thing was a bit too much. I wasn't expecting it from her, because she actually tolerated Rai much more than me. Why I wasn't the one to make the move first, well I actually have some standards in comparison.

That still raises the question as to how Kas's account DID get deactivated at first. According to the Skype cap, Rai actually admitted to doing it twice. And then that note Kas sent doesn't seem anything like what she would type, so there has to be something else going on back there.

Now on a completely different note, YOU GOT YOUR ACCOUNT BACK! *re-watches*
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skindle Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
Aye, this whole situation is confusing, but I do know a lot about it. They both seem to be pretty much over it right now and have moved on. Yes, Rai dragged it on by pestering Michiie. I think the reason behind that was :iconsternenlight: being nothing but a hypocritical retard. Rai was more or less angry with Sternenlight since Mary manipulated both Michiie and Abby into arguing with eachother, this all started when Mary pointed out that Michiie begun stealing MJ gifs from Photobucket and uploading it as her own, which Michiie later took down. So I specifically blame Mary in all of this. She was being a horrible person, that I know since Rai still has some MSN logs from her as far as I'm aware.

I think Kas already gained an ED article which was removed after the new spring of a shittier ED when Girlvynl became a douchebag and reverted to Ohinternet.

Well, in the situation with Stephanie I could see where Kas would have to defend Rai. With her being suicidal and depressed *I'm aware you denied Rai's depression through an MSN conversation, which got her pretty frustrated.* I think that Rai needs someone there to defend her at some point, Kas was usually the person to do that until she was banned continuously for using Proxies to avoid IP bans.

Do you still have any of Kas's logs to clear all this up, because I think that's the best thing to do right now.
I think this Drama is all unnecessary. We should work together to sort this out rather than debating or arguing about it, that's how I like to do things.

Well, I know that at one point Kas did mention to Rai back in 2010 that she knew how to log other people's IPs, this was around the time where she hacked into :iconringygirl:'s account and started throwing weeaboo insults everywhere. Eventually she met you and kiara and apparently she wanted to maintain a friendship with you two. I guess Rai got in the way of that, since she wanted some of the attention from her friend too.

To be honest, I still haven't looked into any of that. I can do so if you want me to though? I think Rai is far too stupid to know how to hack someone's account, unless she got hold of Defta, then again Defta will only give out passwords to accounts of those actually harassing people to sick extents.

:iconyoucardplz: And I'll be here forever and ever.
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I still have some of our history, though I'm not sure which one I should show for this situation. I know it regards Aisha, but I don't know which part of our conversations would clear up some misconceptions. Or I'm just really stupid and need complete concrete reasoning ORZ

I would like it if you could. Since you mentioned it earlier, there could be a chance Rai brought someone else involved. If you can get that confirmed, I think it would help alot.

AND YOU SHOULD! :glomp:
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skindle Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
I think that anything clarifying all of this would be nice. Since I have Kas's Skype I'll log in tomorrow night and speak to you then. I think it's about time this was done.

Also, I personally asked Rai to deactivate her account, so if anyone gets confused as to why Rai deactivates, I asked her. I think it was her time to leave now.
She takes it to heart when a friend tells her to do something she doesn't want to, but she knows it's for the best.

Maybe, she could've brought Defta into this. She could've even brought Defta into the Aisha situation, which would cause so much shit on her behalf that even I wouldn't be able to deal with.

*FOREVERLURKSONDA*
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Ah, okay. That's good to now c: As long as we get something done, it'll do something.

Yeah, fortunately I saw the comment you made on her page, so I assumed that she probably took your word. To tell you the truth, the first time she had to deactivate because of internet drama, I kind of wanted her to stay gone. Not out of spite, but because I really think it'd be better for her to wait a while until she fully matures and can handle things more properly. In my case, I didn't feel comfortable making a dA account until I was 14 xD
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skindle Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
Well, it's Friday tomorrow anyway, so I'll have the whole Weekend to settle this and find logs with you. Should be fun, lmao.

Yeah, I hope she learns to be more mature next time, I doubt she can handle Internet Drama too well, which is why I had to step in. Even if I did make her look partially bad, I still defended her to a fair extent. I also think this Journal is a little unnecessary, I know that the ButthurtBrigade is all for Lulz or Internet Justice, but I think they're going too far out of their way to dig into a situation they know nothing about. I mean, it's great that they're letting both sides know what's actually happening, rather than just sapping up to Rai, but it really doesn't help. Just my two cents. It seems as though the only rational people here who know anything about this is me and you, since we know both Kas and Rai.
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Pff what a way for me to end my winter break! :lol: Like concluding a mystery novel!

Yeah I kinda feel the same as well. I think it makes sense since we both know the good and bad side of those two.

Anyhoo, I have to head to bed. Hope to talk to you tomorrow morning!(Or night, in your case. loltimezones)
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skindle Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
Well, my Winter break was over a while ago, hah.
This is the first week back to School, but the last day. God, I hate Fridays. PE sucks so much.

:iconkikilovessasuke: knows too, right? I mean, all three of us knew Rai and Kas. We knew what both of them did and are capable of.
I don't really want to drag her into this, but maybe we could have a group chat in Skype tomorrow if she has a Skype?

Alrighty :la:
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Aaaand now you're gone again D`:
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hpoke9961 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
well,i read the replies in this comment stack, i knew there is two sides to this story,it did not add up, the first telling i mean.i could guessed itd be something like this,i hope the full truth will come out,so people will stop harassing each other based on assumptions :( thank you for sharing info
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
To tell you the truth, even though people might think I'm trying to instigate something, really I only just wanted to tell a different side of the story. Whether someone wants to believe me, it's all up to them.

The real reason why I started getting concerned was because Kas hasn't shown up on Skype and so I'm really worried about her because she's a good friend of mine and I don't want to think she's got arrested for a crime she probably didn't commit (Even though, some say she hasn't gotten arrested at all).

But I'm with you, I want the truth to all come out and for this to stop all together. It's a bit too much to ask at this point, but it's all I want.
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hpoke9961 Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
no, i think you are not causing anything,it was disappointing to watch fellow artists attacking one another relentlessly with no true evidence,which, albeit nothing is clear now,at least there is another side,and some people are starting to see there are two sides,i tried to suggest such a thing when people sent me messages after i posted a comment on the artists page but i did not know anyone involved personally so i think,people didnt care to think about the possibility of there being another side, til someone in the know said something. but the story that started everything,and this character, rai,is unsettling. something is not right.
about your friend.i think its unlikely they were arrested.i dont think the system works this quickly in any country or anything,it will take a while to gather proof of the origin of the messages and such.in my country police are not often there where you need them but maybe its different,still, i think itd take more time.i hope that if anything happens to anyone that it is just and not based in assumptions and possible false evidence. but i hope no one is imprisoned at all and that those who have been silent will be able to come speak up. and i hope everything ends in peace. its the only reason i keep watch on this situation,really,hoping that all ends well.
(sorry for my bad typing,)
this all could be avoided,tho, when things get heated on the internet, if people would just close down the window,in that way, no one is innocent, but no one can be as terrible as the first message described,i think most of it is fabricated and i hope your friend and the accused artist are able to clear their names.
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
No, it's okay, your typing is legible to me xD

I hope so too. I really miss Kas :C But like you said, the system in UK doesn't work that quickly, and there's already too much evidence against it. Even though it's clear to people that me and Rai aren't on well terms, I hope people realize that I'm not trying to choose sides, but I just happen to know both the good and bad in people.
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HiddenUserLunatic Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
So wait. So Rai is actually the real bully in this entire thing? Is Rai actually 13 years old since Kas and her knew one another in person and Kas is in college?
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I'm not pointing fingers as to who is the real bully here, since I'm afraid I've put myself in enough hot water. To my knowledge, Rai is 13, as I have no proof to say otherwise. But yeah, last time I remember, Kas hasn't been in the same school as Rai for a while.
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HiddenUserLunatic Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm....very intresting. I thank you for placing your 'story'. It helps a lot. It be honest with you, I orginally was against Aisha and Kas. But your story lead me into doubts about Rai and her innocence in this. I'm on a neutral line now. Thank you again.
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Oh really? You're welcome then! :) Yeah, I can understand why some people would've thought that way at first. Have I never talked to either Kas or Rai before in the past, I would've thought the same as well. But I'm glad I could help!
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Fuhrer-Glasses Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012
Holy crap, you're skype girl?
:lol:, wow.
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Hiii *awkward wave* :wave:

Oh yeah, I forgot to add this to the wall-of-text, but the Kas I knew never liked Aisha all that much.. :stare: As far as I know, she never showed signs of being OBSESSED with her... so yeah, I'm still lost in all this.
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Fuhrer-Glasses Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012
Oh, really? This is turning into quite the Soap-Opera, :lol:.
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Pfff, ikr? Why she still hasn't shown up on Skype, I still have no clue (apart from the obvious, which I'm still doubting somewhat).

Speaking of soap-operas, I was totally all "NO! THIS ISN'T THE KAS I LOVE! D: THERE HAS BEEN A DREADFUL MISTAKE! *swoon/faints*"
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Babushka-Nipples Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
So basically this kas shit is bullshit? :bucktooth: Knew it.
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Oh yeah and one more thing. The Kas that I knew was actually in college. She said that she wasn't in Rai's school anymore and that she only saw her by visiting her house. So I had to raise a brow when she said they were apparently still at the same school together.

Yup, I definitely think there is BS in this Kas thing.
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Babushka-Nipples Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
Wait, Kas visited Rai? Or Rai visited her?
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Oops, sorry, I have to restate that xD I meant to say that usually Kas and Rai only visited each other outside of school. since they live close together. They were apparently friends before this whole drama started. (Well actually there was a lot of other drama that happened before, but it's sorta unrelated to this topic)
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Babushka-Nipples Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
Rai and kas were friends now you say? Do go on.
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
They knew each other personally for some years ago. They used to be in the same school together (And from what I remember, the schools their are like middle school and high school combined)

I met both of them via dA, but I had a much closer connection to "Kas". We both talked to each daily on MSN and Skype, and Kas actually praised Rai's art for how good she was for her age.

Unfortunately, even though I've never met Rai face-to-face, we've had some ugly arguments that led us to being bitter, and Kas actually acted as a middle-ground for us for us to "get along" somewhat.

When Kas got her dA account, she told me that she previously tried to get Rai to drop the whole Aisha thing, not because she was some obsessed fan, but because she too was growing tired of Rai escalating it. And the reason being was that according to Kas, Rai had the tendency to drag her into her own internet drama.

So as a result, Rai hacked Kas's account and deactivated it. Later when Kas tried to reactivate again, Rai hacked and deactivated it again as well.

That's when the Skype cap comes in, although at that time I just thought it was payback for Rai doing the same thing twice. I admit, it does sound kind of petty once you think about it, but I had no idea it had anything to do with white-knighting Aisha.
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Babushka-Nipples Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
So rai had hacked Kas?
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Yup. In the Skype cap, Kas (Reniseme) said that Rai admitted it to doing it twice whilst they were having an argument.
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Babushka-Nipples Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
So wait was Rai ever hacked then? What the fuck.


If Rai hacked Kas would that mean that note that was sent, rai sent it to herself to make Kas look bad?
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Rai was hacked too, but only after Kas got hacked.

As for that note, I have no clue. But your idea does sound plausible because for one thing Kas NEVER types in "txt talk" format. And Rai would've mention me in that note, because before she hacked into Kas's Skype account to read all of our private conversations.
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Kuroseki Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
Maybe Rai hacked herself or was Kas who hacked her?
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Well apparently Kas did actually tell me she was planning on hacking Rai as a form of payback... If she actually went through with it, now I'm not sure... She never logged back into Skype to tell the tale, even BEFORE the day she supposedly got arrested.

There's a lot of possibilities now that I've gotten so skeptical over this whole situation.
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Kuroseki Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
The whole situation is confusing.
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Babushka-Nipples Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012
OH so rai was hacked because she hacked Kas. But she did the hacking first and hacked Kas TWICE?


Wow. My pity for rai is just gone now, like I had any before, but wow. :| Funny she didn't mention she hacked her friend first.
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
She wouldn't, I know that. I'm actually more surprised that she acts as though Kas is some random stranger/bully who she never was acquainted with. But due to some previous events that took place, this behavior isn't that new to me.
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KuraiKuroYoru Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
So does this mean I was correct in my not believing this person and 'accusing' them of sending the message to themselves?
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VictorianFox Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I would say you have the right to believe it. Despite of what I know of the situation, I'm still somewhat on the fence. But I have the strong feeling that note was made by someone else other than Kas.
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KuraiKuroYoru Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I know. As soon as I read the story, I felt something was off, so I automatically didn't believe the 13 year old's side of the story [Not because she's 13, but because I really just didn't believe her].
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AzureSeahorse Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2012
A lot of people felt something was off about the story of the hacking. But to be honest so many of us are on the fence about everything we aren't sure who to believe. So basically most of us are just blaming both sides.
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KuraiKuroYoru Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Ha. Blaming both sides sounds strange. Wouldn't you prefer to be neutral if you are not going to pick a side? By neutral, I mean observing and not blaming either side.
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