Comment on Porn as negative feedback loop in pop. dynamics by leadbirdie
I see several problems with your thesis. One is the assertion that these activities (viewing erotica, self stimulation, video games, etc.) are actually substitutes for or suppressors of sexual activity that can produce offspring. There seems little if any direct evidence for this. On the contrary, considerable archeological evidence exists testifying to the very ancient and enduring association of erotic fetish objects and imagery with fertility rituals, not the discouragement of sexual productivity. It also overlooks the reality that surveys show a significant percentage of modern and contemporary couples incorporate erotic imagery and fetishes into their general sexual experience that still ends in productive copulation. Your assertion regarding same sex couples also overlooks the fact that a growing number of such couples are actually finding ways to have children through adoption as well as other means—activities which arguably enable sustained rather than suppressed birth rates.
Rising education levels and economic affluence do appear to have a negative effect on population growth. These have been demonstrated. The mechanisms at work appear to be deferral of marriage to later stages of life as well as the use of modern methods of contraception, not masturbation or absorption in the Internet or video games.
Rising education levels and economic affluence do appear to have a negative effect on population growth. These have been demonstrated. The mechanisms at work appear to be deferral of marriage to later stages of life as well as the use of modern methods of contraception, not masturbation or absorption in the Internet or video games.
>> One is the assertion that these activities (viewing erotica, self stimulation, video games, etc.) are actually substitutes for or suppressors of sexual activity that can produce offspring. There seems little if any direct evidence for this.
Answer: [link] I am neither psychologist, nor sociologist, so I can tell about this theme in population biology context only. This article is psychologic. BTW, I found it via [link] club. They submitted a journal entry about it a few days later than this my one. Coincidence
Intuitively this my statement looks rather evident for me. I don't know, why it seems to you disputable, perhaps it caused by difference of cultures where we live in. 2 thousands ago there was an offensive word "malakia" in Greek language, in Hellenized near East. It meant "masturbator", "passive homosexual", "weak", "non-man".
>> On the contrary, considerable archeological evidence exists testifying to the very ancient and enduring association of erotic fetish objects and imagery with fertility rituals, not the discouragement of sexual productivity.
participating in rituals of fertility cult is not equal modern sitting at porn-sites. At all, I guess
>> It also overlooks the reality that surveys show a significant percentage of modern and contemporary couples incorporate erotic imagery and fetishes into their general sexual experience that still ends in productive copulation.
Yet another evidence of decreasing sexuality and loss of passion. "Malakia race"?
>> Your assertion regarding same sex couples also overlooks the fact that a growing number of such couples are actually finding ways to have children through adoption as well as other means—activities which arguably enable sustained rather than suppressed birth rates.
If somebody wants to adopt somebody, somebody must give birth to somebody
In general, I told about a bit another problem. I wanted to say, the excessive birth rate is not good (Malthusian trap) and the excessive loss of birth rate is not good too, because it causes the ageing of people, it stops development and even simple reproduction of state prosperity. Porn, video games, family planning, etc, etc work as birth suppressors and even look much more better than "traditional" birth suppressors: wars, epidemics, revolutions(+civil wars). But these modern mechanisms make us weak, uninquisitive and sluggish. I see a problem here. If Europeans lived in prosperity and pleasure, they never invaded America. If we all lived in Eden we never had science, technologies, computers, ships, satellites and spacecrafts.
It seems to me modern "advanced" part of mankind think they live in paradise already and it's time to be peaceful hedonistic kids. I am sure somebody (and something) can remind us that it's a mistake
Answer: [link] I am neither psychologist, nor sociologist, so I can tell about this theme in population biology context only. This article is psychologic. BTW, I found it via [link] club. They submitted a journal entry about it a few days later than this my one. Coincidence
Intuitively this my statement looks rather evident for me. I don't know, why it seems to you disputable, perhaps it caused by difference of cultures where we live in. 2 thousands ago there was an offensive word "malakia" in Greek language, in Hellenized near East. It meant "masturbator", "passive homosexual", "weak", "non-man".
>> On the contrary, considerable archeological evidence exists testifying to the very ancient and enduring association of erotic fetish objects and imagery with fertility rituals, not the discouragement of sexual productivity.
participating in rituals of fertility cult is not equal modern sitting at porn-sites. At all, I guess
>> It also overlooks the reality that surveys show a significant percentage of modern and contemporary couples incorporate erotic imagery and fetishes into their general sexual experience that still ends in productive copulation.
Yet another evidence of decreasing sexuality and loss of passion. "Malakia race"?
>> Your assertion regarding same sex couples also overlooks the fact that a growing number of such couples are actually finding ways to have children through adoption as well as other means—activities which arguably enable sustained rather than suppressed birth rates.
If somebody wants to adopt somebody, somebody must give birth to somebody
In general, I told about a bit another problem. I wanted to say, the excessive birth rate is not good (Malthusian trap) and the excessive loss of birth rate is not good too, because it causes the ageing of people, it stops development and even simple reproduction of state prosperity. Porn, video games, family planning, etc, etc work as birth suppressors and even look much more better than "traditional" birth suppressors: wars, epidemics, revolutions(+civil wars). But these modern mechanisms make us weak, uninquisitive and sluggish. I see a problem here. If Europeans lived in prosperity and pleasure, they never invaded America. If we all lived in Eden we never had science, technologies, computers, ships, satellites and spacecrafts.
It seems to me modern "advanced" part of mankind think they live in paradise already and it's time to be peaceful hedonistic kids. I am sure somebody (and something) can remind us that it's a mistake