*facepalms* She's really so misogynistic as to say that a woman is in part to blame if they get sexually harassed because they are confident with their body?? It doesn't matter what the woman is wearing, a man ought to have enough self control to respect another person. Never is an outfit grounds to harass anybody. I see a handsome man dressed in an admirable way but do I ever go up and start touching him? Fuck no. That's completely inappropriate in societal standards and in regards to his personal space and feelings. Women shouldn't have to hide themselves because some people can't control themselves and men shouldn't either. We should all have the self control and moral to not harass anybody just because they're dressed nicely or revealing. By her standards, everybody should go to the pool or beach in pants and long sleeved shirts >_>
It shouldn't be one or the other responsibility, it's BOTH sides responsibility to behave with restraint and respect. If somebody, man or woman, sees somebody passed out or very drunk, it's their responsibility to behave like a moral and respectful person and not take advantage. Even if that other person isn't doing so, SOMEBODY ought to. Just because somebody else is being irresponsible, that doesn't justify others to be as well. Never is it okay to take advantage of somebody who is incapacitated. Doing so makes you a pervert with no self control or respect.
As adults, it's our job to behave responsibly even if others are not. That's what being an adult is.
In regards to sex, she truly is ignorant about it if she thinks all STDs have obvious signs and that everybody is honest about having one. This simply proves that.
Even if people were to follow her sick little values, a virgin woman could hook up with a man who has had previous partners and he could give her an STD because he lied about it/didn't tell her, the symptoms were not present and/or he didn't know he had one because some people are just carriers. So now that woman has to suffer an STD even though she followed Naokos ridiculous rules and because in her little world, researching and treating STD is 'a waste' and in her world, a woman isn't allowed to be choosy about the men she hooks up with, only men are allowed to be choosy so she can't tell him no just because he's had partners before her. I wonder what she'd have to say to that!
Ah, again you Feminists are so quick to throw out that word. Again with the shaming of sexual men. Flirting is not 'harassment'. You can wear whatever you want, whenever you want, but just know that it may elicit certain feelings. Hell, you could be dressed in a Burka and I just know someone would be aroused. You just ignore it. You trying to see men can't do that is oppression and again, blatant hypocrisy when you consider all the rants about women's sexual 'freedom'. The flirting person is 'out of control'. They are acting on their lust. Nothing wrong with that. I used to wear mini-skirts with legs when a used to a bit more feminine, and sometimes (thankfully rarely) told that men were staring at my butt. Now, of course I was annoyed, being that, unlike some, my body is not an object, but did I start screaming and calling them perverts or rapists or anything? No, as that is their desire. They are free to it. I'm sure it has happened with my still-strong love of skinny jeans, though I've not been informed if so.
It is not 'taking advantage' if the drunken person is all over the other person.
As for STDs, no I do not think that. Again you all assume that because I am aversed to sex and will never be fucked does not mean I am unaware or uneducated in such things. I know perfectly well that some are even completely symptomless. I know people lie too. It's an embarrassing thing, is it not?
She (and so it would be for a he) choose to have sex and risk it. You cannot choose to have cancer (for the most person'), Leukaemia, asthma, psoriasis, AIDs/HIV, cystic fibrosis, Huntington’s disease, cerebral palsy, Down's Syndrome, epilepsy, Kleine-Levin syndrome, OVD, etc. Sorry to list such common ailments, but I was given you an idea. I even know that virgins can have some form of STD when they haven't so much as masturbated.
As usual, you have no fucking idea what you're even talking about.
Make up your damn mind. Is the world wrong for shaming sexual men or is the world wrong for shaming virgin men? Nobody is shaming anybody. I for one don't give a damn if whoever I'm with is a virgin or not. I do like a virgin man because they're more eager and not so quick to become bored like sexual men and that's my right to prefer virgin men. I can be choosy all I want. My body, I get to choose who touches it and who I have sex with.
No duh it's going to elicit certain feelings but when men start to cat call and touch that's inappropriate. Men are adults who should know how to behave despite how they're feeling. They're expected to behave maturely when they're pissed off, they're expected to behave maturely when they see a nice body or a nice pair or legs or what have you. It's not hypocritical to dress in shorts and a tanktop when it's 95 degrees f and expect men to not bother you over it. I dunno how hot it gets there but here in Oklahoma, you can literally fry an egg on your cars dashboard so I should be able to go out in my shorts and tank and not have to stress over men trying to touch me (in any way) or cat call and make inappropriate remarks. It's not a woman's job to put up with men, it's a man's job to not behave like a pig to begin with. Some women don't or can't handle those situations so it's unfair to them to have to put up with that kind of thing just because you think they have it coming because they wore shorts or a skirt and a top that shows some skin.
They have the right to find a woman attractive but it's inappropriate to make that woman feel uncomfortably in the outfit she has the right to wear. No woman should have to dress a certain way just to avoid piggish behavior.
If somebody is drunk and another person takes advantage of that, that's completely scummy. If a drunk person comes onto somebody who is sober, that, to me, seems a lot less scummy since the person being approached is fully capable of making decisions though the person doing the approaching might not have ordinarily done such a thing.
No, actually. Nobody is assuming you're uneducated about sex because you're asexual. We say you are uneducated about sex because of the things you have said yourself and are still saying. It's not about your sexuality. Seriously, get over it already. Nobody cares that you're asexual. People care that you're trying to stomp on female reproductive/sexual rights.
Exactly what kind of STD does a virgin get? By your silly set of rules, a woman is condemned even if she has sex with one man who has had partners before her (which you say is allowed) and has an STD that is passed to her. You call researching sex and the diseases a waste of resources but in reality, the aforementioned scenario is common. In your little world, she would be doomed to suffer an STD even though she followed your rules because in your world, no research would be done to find treatments and/or cures. If that man left her, she couldn't have sex ever again because of her STD and/or because in your world, she would be cheating on her next boyfriend.
Both sexual and non-sexual men are shamed. Sexual men are shamed for daring to have a sex drive and look at women in a sexual manner. Virgin men are shamed for not having yet put his penis into a woman’s vagina (as if that’s a big deal). And homosexual men are shamed for…being homosexual men, especially if they are on the bottom. And before you go saying I’m a hypocrite, a homosexual man is not letting someone of the opposite gender take and dominate him. No, it’s not.
No, it’s not. It’s natural and fine. That is shaming. Yes, they do, they are fully aware of they are doing, as I think you would know. It was your choice to wear those, as needed as it would be. It is the aroused man’s natural reaction in the form of hastily-put together words. It is not ‘inappropriate’ or being a ‘pig’. Again, you should your hypocrisy, in that woman are allowed to be as sexual as they want and no one is permitted a negative opinon, or they are ‘MISOGYNISTS!’, ‘SEXISTS!’ or ‘OPPRESSORS!!!!’. Again, they have no right to complain of being ‘bothered’ when they have already objectified themselves. I, along with other virgin woman, have a right to complain about that as we are not hypocrites, and we are in full control of our bodies. Then maybe she should grow a backbone. It is called equality. If girls are permitted to be as sexual as they want, so are men. And people are allowed a negative opinion on that. Non-virgin woman are hypocrites to judge and complain.
No, it’s not. It is not someone else’s job to stop or look after that drunk person, who choose to get drunk, unless they have requested such. Of course, if I were ever to have friends like that (I never would), I would not just abandon them like some holidaymakers and partygoers do, but I would let them make their own mistakes and learn the hard way. We all make mistakes.
Urgh, again with this. I am expressing my right to an opinion, on one’s choice, as is my right. I am not sitting there whining about freedom of speech and truth equality like you faux-feminists who think all sexual women are perfect, ‘liberated’ beings. If I were to get behind the wheel of a car and went barrelling down the motorway, I would know I would be judged and insulted. That would be someone’s right to do so. If I were to write something in my original story is incredibly narmy, far too cliché, or just plain stupid, I would be judged for it, and people would be free to it. Sex is no different. What is so bloody hard to understand about that, ‘feminist’? You lot also constantly assume that the sex thing is my whole life and think me some heartless idiot, when, if you had actually read my journals and got to know me, would know I have other interests and pursuits, and hold empathy and care within me. You assume I know not of simple things like masturbation, wet dreams, arousal, orgasms, dominatrixes (even if she is ‘dominant’, it is in a typically false, feminine manner, such as that of the femme fatale, and she usually has been/will let herself be penetrated). While we are of course equals and make choices together, I am dominant as I control myself, and take charge emotionally. I’m it would count for physically as well, as I would be the one to make the protective moves (as I’m not some damsel-in-distress who likes a man being a chauvinist, chivalrous pig). I’m also the one to resort to defensive/arger-caused violence, as well, though I know most would not consider that a good thing. And the stereotypical kind of violent of slapping. Finally, as I said, we kiss, hug and hold each other.
Oral herpes, for one. You can also gain diseases from towels or toilet seats, given that people have done things on them (that, combined with my great mysophobia), keeps from public bathrooms as much as possible. Ok, the thing about her never having sex again is understandable, if she was planning to have a baby some time. That would not be fair.
No one 'deserves' rape. I never said nor implied that. Your lot keep saying I should be raped. And even if that were to happen, you fail to see the problem: I would be a virgin, and therefore not a hypocrite, and even though I would technically be a non-virgin and traumatized, it could happen again, as I would not have willing given my body to other.
What the? You do not deserve to be raped. No-one deserves that.if they are indeed saying that they are in the wrong. People are suggesting you try some stuff voluntarily out yourself because maybe if you did you would stop thinking getting off is some abomination unto woman kind. I don't know why you fear it so much or hate it or whatever but frankly you need to get over that fear because it's making you sound horrible. But no-one seriously wants to force you.
If you don't think women deserve it that's good but you come across as very hateful. If a woman was raped, virgin or not, a normal person would feel compassion and horror,. It doesn't matter if she is s virgin or what she's wearing or if she's germy or anything. It's horrible and traumatic no matter what. But you don't seem to care at all if it happens to be someone you deem a 'slut' this is heartless. If it happened to a woman (or man) you don't say she's a hypocrite for complaining you help her and try to get justice for what's happened.
If you want people to leave you alone try turning around. Try saying, or at least consider non-virgins are people too and aren't some evil germy sex-crazed zombies trying to hurt men or oppress them. I don't know why you think that.
I do not ‘fear’ it. Or anything sexual. It is their sexist, oppressive, double standard filled, petty, misandric attitude that I do not like. I would not need to be so hard if they were not such whiney little wimps dressing up their whinging and fear of judgment as ‘feminism’. Thank you for separating yourself from these…others.
I do feel compassion – for those who are actually suffering. I feel no sympathy for hypocrites getting their karma and not understand that that trauma and pain they suffer is them realizing and regretting throwing themselves at a man for no good reason. I am not ‘heartless’ and have mentioned numerous times the evidence that proves I am not, reasons that apply to yourselves too, I’m certain – I give to charity, I really want to help the poor in person, I fight for men and women’s rights, I fight against the dismissal and humiliation of male abuse and rape victims. I fight for GLBT rights, of course. I am a political person and try to fight, or at least bring attention to, injustice in the political world. Those others keep judging me and thinking they know me when they know nothing of me, and keep spouting the same clichés and pseudo-intelligent babble.
Again, it is their attitude. They will not stop whinging about people’s right to an opinion on their choice, so why should others stop having that rightful, just opinion? And they are germy, like it or not. We are all germy. Non-virgin woman, due to the way sex works, be it hetero or homosexual, just carry that little bit more. They are people, then. Just very immature people. They are girls.
"I do not ‘fear’ it. Or anything sexual. It is their sexist, oppressive, double standard filled, petty, misandric attitude that I do not like."
And non-virgins contain these attributes so often... why? Why do you see them all like that?
"would not need to be so hard if they were not such whiney little wimps dressing up their whinging and fear of judgment as ‘feminism’. "
You seem to be hung up on the whole "feminism" word. Why not scribble it out and replace the word with "women who want the same things men get while men get what women have." and tell me why that's so bad. It seems fair to me.
"I do feel compassion – for those who are actually suffering. I feel no sympathy for hypocrites getting their karma and not understand that that trauma and pain they suffer is them realizing and regretting throwing themselves at a man for no good reason. "
And this exception to your compassion is why people are getting upset at you. There shouldn't be any exception at all. A woman isn't hurting anyone by having a sexual relationship with anyone (a man, woman, inbetween, or herself) unless she is raping someone. Why is it karma that she get's hurt so severely then? How can you not feel bad for someone who goes through something so horrible? Even if what a woman was doing was wrong, that's like saying someone who steals deserves torture, it's beyond extreme.
"I am not ‘heartless’ and have mentioned numerous times the evidence that proves I am not, reasons that apply to yourselves too, I’m certain – I give to charity, I really want to help the poor in person, I fight for men and women’s rights, I fight against the dismissal and humiliation of male abuse and rape victims. I fight for GLBT rights, of course. I am a political person and try to fight, or at least bring attention to, injustice in the political world. " Well, yeah, okay. That may be true. And I couldn't really say you were some ruthless monster out of the pits of hell even without you saying that. It still doesn't make what you're saying about non-virgins right though.
Thing is, try looking it from other's point of view. Take homophobia, which you are adamant against. If some homophobic guy went on some hate-speech saying gay men who get bashed are only getting God's will and it's what they get for defiling their bodies with some evil sin or whatever nonsense a homophobic person says, what are you going to do? Call him out on what he's saying? Call him a bad person? What if he turns around at these accusations, and says "But I'm not a bad person, I donate to charity, I fight against racism, etc etc.." would you, should you, say "Jinkies! I had no idea! You're a swell guy after all! Just let me turn my back and allow you to continue on with your little hate speech!" Or would you say "That's all very well and nice, but what you're doing is still wrong and you really should stop."
"Those others keep judging me and thinking they know me when they know nothing of me, and keep spouting the same clichés and pseudo-intelligent babble. " That pseudo-intellectual babble is others trying to reason with you. But you're right, they don't know you, no-body does, they are making judgements based on what they have observed so far. But you can help by letting them or others get to know you, and you try getting to know them and other non-virgins and see that they aren't so bad people. Maybe a bit more reasoning on what your problem is/ are, because (I admit this is just a guess) some of your dislike might be stemming from something that happened to you IRL. Maybe some girl was a bitch to you, maybe your Dad was a jerk, IDK. And they have been guessing, because they want to know why you have all this hate, or "dislike".
"Again, it is their attitude. They will not stop whinging about people’s right to an opinion on their choice, so why should others stop having that rightful, just opinion?" Well yeah, we all have our right to free-speech. They have theirs and you have yours. It's just kind of getting a bit of conflict regarding the nature of their arguing: rape. Which is a serious form of violence, which nobody wants. And you don't want someone around encouraging violence, do you? They don't want some rape victim seeing what you wrote and getting hurt, or some psycho reading this and getting the idea it's okay to rape someone.
"And they are germy, like it or not. We are all germy. Non-virgin woman, due to the way sex works, be it hetero or homosexual, just carry that little bit more. " So? We can argue whether or not non-virgins are germy (and frankly I'm stumped why you would think a girl who jills off gets "germy", or at least germy in the manner it can't be washed off or cause a serious illness). But in the end, so what? People who work with sewage are germy. People in poorer countries are germy. Lots of people are germy. Pilots are at risk of getting who knows how many diseases. Should they be looked down upon for eg. say their choices in career etc? Should they be treated any less? Does it mean they should be attacked and that it serves them right, or that it serves them right if they contract a serious illness that it's just "karma" and no-one should help them?
"They are people, then. Just very immature people. They are girls. " Once again, So? Lots of people are immature. I'm immature a lot of the time. It's no reason to not feel bad for them when they get raped.
I do not see them all like that. They are just what I encounter most when simply browsing for me own means, some whiney little flower on Tumblr, Feminsite, Jezebel, LiveJournal This Slut Votes, the SlutWalk bullshit that is still going on, an affront to feminism (it just made our reputation fall even lower), and self respecting women everywhere. This very deviation (along with many, selfish, sexist, petty others) is an example of such an attitude. This being the ‘anti-abortion is ANTI-WOMENZ!” when they turn around and be completely anti-responsibility, anti-male, and selfish. They claim that medical and necessary ultrasound (yes, it is necessary, to make sure the woman is absolutely willing to murder something she once was in one of the greatest acts of hypocrisy there can be), when they already been penetrated by a germ-riddled penis. There is nothing ‘sexist’, ‘misogynistic’ or ‘controlling women’s bodies’ or ‘reproductive rights’. It is hypocrisy, they already gave their body to another.
But it is not that. They want to be free from all rightful, equality-supporting judgement and criticism will they scream at men for doing so much as harmless wolf whistling, while they call men perverts and rapists for daring to express their sexuality. And most laughably of all, they say, that men being sexually attracted to them, is ‘misogynistic’. I fight for actually rights, something few feminists do nowadays, continuing to add to our reputation. As a result, people who support men’s rights too are told to call themselves ‘humanists’. Don’t get wrong, I don’t mind the title, but the problem is that feminist is seen as a bad thing, and girls like this are not helping.
Yes she is. She is spreading germs and most likely disease as well. She is insulting feminism and naturalness of pregnancy. If I were stolen from if I steal before, I would have no reason to complain, no non-virgin women have nothing to complain about. I understand that some easily-offended people might be upset about this, being that it is true equality (taking responsibility for one’s actions, instead of calling it ‘victim blaming’. but I simply do not support hypocrisy. And yes, I know we are all hypocrites. If she was engaged or marriage and that happened, even if she had sex with her fiancé, husband or wife, as she has made a commitment to someone.
Well, thank you. Well, I’m sorry, but it is just the way I think, and it is made worse because of these selfish attitudes that exist. If a woman were to just have sex for pleasure with her partner, behind closed doors, that would be fine, they are not affection anyone else. It is when they scream about non-existent ‘double standards’, while ignoring the biological logical behind such a (perfectly allowed) opinon, and say that having casual sex is good, and, as I said, shoving their non-virginity and so-called ‘liberation’ (when it is far from it) down everyone’s throats, instead of focusing on real issues. A good ‘feminist blog’ I have found is The Mary Sue, for example. She cares about women and men and fights against bigger issues (as well as sexism in pop culture/fiction, something seen as trivial and meaningless, despite how much it effects and has effected real life).
The difference is, having recreational heterosexual intercourse is a choice. Homosexuality, no matter what some cunts say, is not a choice. It is natural attraction to the same gender. Yes, heterosexual lust and attraction is natural too I know. It is just that homosexual intercourse is far less likely to be selfish (that’s not to say there is not homosexual manipulators or rapists). I also understand that homosexuals are not perfect, as well, but that they are simply human, and humans judge and are judged, make choices, sometimes stupid/pointless/selfish ones.
No, no, if someone wants to have a calm conversation about it, then I am happy. Just as I would be happy to have a conversation with a homophobe is understand why they think (well, if it were reasons outside ‘it’s an abomination!’ or ‘God says so!’). Those are the very clichés, though. That it was thought it by religion, that I was molested/raped, or (and I laughed at this) dumped for a sexually active girl. You say it is because of my mother or my ‘father’ that I have ‘daddy issues’ ( I couldn’t care less about my ‘father’, and I was barely a year old when my mother left him), and my mother, like all good parents, taught me and give me the tools to learn, but let me think for myself. It is those attitudes (the father/rape thing) that annoys me. They also came out with crap that Matt is only with me as he hopes to get sex one day, and that we won’t last because we don’t have sex and that ‘when his balls drop’ he dump me for someone else, even though they are plenty of non-sexual ways to be romantic. We kiss on the lips, for example.They know nothing of our relationship, how long we’ve known each other (and when I explained such, of course they did not believe me, and continued with their perceived image of me), while being all smug about their ‘normal’ and not ‘shallow’ relationships.
Well, as I’ve said before, no matter how much we wash down there, we will still produce natural but disgusting fluids. You can’t ‘wash off’ one of biggest changes in your life (and that fact is that is considered something so little nowadays is so…cold). No, those are needed, as they need those jobs to live, or to enjoy life, and those germs, bar the sewage, are not so intimate.
Oh, and I never thought non-virgins were not human. I was just sick of the rage so I threw out a sarcastic comment. Again, it’s the hypocrisy bit. I at least acknowledge the ways in wish I am hypocritical, an example being I am and consider myself a strong woman, but insult that but my needless crying. I don’t like boastful or cocky people, but like most people, I boast sometimes as well. Again, an overused statement, but we are human.
“I do not see them all like that. They are just what I encounter most when simply browsing for me own means, some whiney little flower on Tumblr, Feminsite, Jezebel, LiveJournal This Slut Votes, the SlutWalk bullshit that is still going on, an affront to feminism (it just made our reputation fall even lower), and self respecting women everywhere.”
And why are you going to those sites in the first place?
“This very deviation (along with many, selfish, sexist, petty others) is an example of such an attitude. This being the ‘anti-abortion is ANTI-WOMENZ!” when they turn around and be completely anti-responsibility, anti-male, and selfish. They claim that medical and necessary ultrasound (yes, it is necessary, to make sure the woman is absolutely willing to murder something she once was in one of the greatest acts of hypocrisy there can be), when they already been penetrated by a germ-riddled penis. There is nothing ‘sexist’, ‘misogynistic’ or ‘controlling women’s bodies’ or ‘reproductive rights’. It is hypocrisy, they already gave their body to another. “
Because you know it is their own body which they own (and still own no matter who they have sex with), and have a right to preserve their own life if a pregnancy might risk her life or a possible child’s well-being. And yeah it is irresponsible if a woman goes around screwing willy nilly without protection. But it’s waaay more irresponsible to bring a life into the world where the woman has neither the finances nor the competence to look after a child which ends up with a kid starving to death in a cupboard in a pile of its own faeces because the mother knows squat about raising children. An abortion on the other hand is terminating a “life” before it begins a life of suffering. And just because an embryo was what each of us where at that point doesn’t mean we should preserve it. We were an ovum once, does that mean every time a woman has her period she is committing murder?
“But it is not that. They want to be free from all rightful, equality-supporting judgement and criticism will they scream at men for doing so much as harmless wolf whistling, while they call men perverts and rapists for daring to express their sexuality. And most laughably of all, they say, that men being sexually attracted to them, is ‘misogynistic’. I fight for actually rights, something few feminists do nowadays, continuing to add to our reputation. As a result, people who support men’s rights too are told to call themselves ‘humanists’. Don’t get wrong, I don’t mind the title, but the problem is that feminist is seen as a bad thing, and girls like this are not helping.”
If a guy (or a girl) is running around in the privacy of her home oogling over porn or something, this is expressing their sexuality and these girls should mind their own business. If a guy (or a girl) is out on the streets harassing someone this isn’t expressing their sexuality, they’re being a jerk, and it’s what people do to rile people up. I mean, you didn’t like it when you started getting all this attention lately, and you complained, why can’t they? But no, someone “wolf-whistling” isn’t a rapist. They may be over-reacting, but then, what have you been doing lately on certain other sites?
“Yes she is. She is spreading germs and most likely disease as well.”
Not if she’s getting the guy to wear a rubber, she isn’t. Or, you know, jilling off on her own (who would she be spreading the “germs” to?). Or people who get blood tests first, to make sure they haven’t got anything before they do anything.
If she knew she had something and intentionally spread something, yeah, that would be wrong though. Most of the time though, people try to stop the spread of disease.
“She is insulting feminism and naturalness of pregnancy.”
And an insult is seriously harmful, because…?
“If I were stolen from if I steal before, I would have no reason to complain, no non-virgin women have nothing to complain about.”
Ummm, no no no no. Stealing can’t even begin to equate with something like rape. Stealing is a petty crime (which is why I gave an example before), while rape is extreme violence, and there is never any excuse for it. And why would consensual sex be considered stealing? Because she gave her body once to a guy and it belongs to him now? That’s like saying people have the right to steal then vandalise e a bunch of books from a library which lends out books just because it some people have borrowed from it before.
You don’t get a book from a library to keep forever, you RETURN it. And you don’t damage it, because it still isn’t your property. You take it for an allotted period of time with your library card, enjoy it, then give it back. If you don’t, or take the book without permission, you’re in trouble, and the librarian has every right to send you a fine. And as such, if a man or woman rapes a person they should be punished for it as no-one has the right to have sex without someone’s consent.
“I understand that some easily-offended people might be upset about this, being that it is true equality (taking responsibility for one’s actions, instead of calling it ‘victim blaming’. but I simply do not support hypocrisy. And yes, I know we are all hypocrites. If she was engaged or marriage and that happened, even if she had sex with her fiancé, husband or wife, as she has made a commitment to someone.”
Commitments can end. And committing to one person does not mean committing to every other single male on the planet for the rest of eternity.
“Well, thank you. Well, I’m sorry, but it is just the way I think, and it is made worse because of these selfish attitudes that exist. If a woman were to just have sex for pleasure with her partner, behind closed doors, that would be fine, they are not affection anyone else.”
Which is what “non-virgins” do. (Or should be doing).
“It is when they scream about non-existent ‘double standards’, while ignoring the biological logical behind such a (perfectly allowed) opinon, and say that having casual sex is good, and, as I said, shoving their non-virginity and so-called ‘liberation’ (when it is far from it) down everyone’s throats, instead of focusing on real issues. A good ‘feminist blog’ I have found is The Mary Sue, for example. She cares about women and men and fights against bigger issues (as well as sexism in pop culture/fiction, something seen as trivial and meaningless, despite how much it effects and has effected real life).”
Abortion is a real issue though.
“The difference is, having recreational heterosexual intercourse is a choice. Homosexuality, no matter what some cunts say, is not a choice. It is natural attraction to the same gender. Yes, heterosexual lust and attraction is natural too I know. It is just that homosexual intercourse is far less likely to be selfish (that’s not to say there is not homosexual manipulators or rapists). I also understand that homosexuals are not perfect, as well, but that they are simply human, and humans judge and are judged, make choices, sometimes stupid/pointless/selfish ones.”
How is heterosexual sex selfish? “Germs”? Once again you have condoms and blood-tests for that. Pregnancy? Okay, if homosexual sex is better because it can’t result in pregnancy, what about women who are infertile. Women who have gone past menopause? Girls who are above legal age but haven’t finished puberty (it’s 2-3 years after a girl starts bleeding before she starts ovulating). A woman who is on her period? Women who use contraceptives? None of these will result in pregnancy either so why not group them with homosexuals too?
“No, no, if someone wants to have a calm conversation about it, then I am happy. Just as I would be happy to have a conversation with a homophobe is understand why they think (well, if it were reasons outside ‘it’s an abomination!’ or ‘God says so!’).”
Okay
“Those are the very clichés, though. That it was thought it by religion, that I was molested/raped, or (and I laughed at this) dumped for a sexually active girl. You say it is because of my mother or my ‘father’ that I have ‘daddy issues’ ( I couldn’t care less about my ‘father’, and I was barely a year old when my mother left him), and my mother, like all good parents, taught me and give me the tools to learn, but let me think for myself. It is those attitudes (the father/rape thing) that annoys me.”
It was a guess. People come up with these things because your ideas had to come from somewhere. I don’t get it though. You just one day (or took a while to come up with this) decided to say “non-virgins can’t be raped”?
“They also came out with crap that Matt is only with me as he hopes to get sex one day, and that we won’t last because we don’t have sex and that ‘when his balls drop’ he dump me for someone else, even though they are plenty of non-sexual ways to be romantic. We kiss on the lips, for example.They know nothing of our relationship, how long we’ve known each other (and when I explained such, of course they did not believe me, and continued with their perceived image of me), while being all smug about their ‘normal’ and not ‘shallow’ relationships.”
I’m kind of guessing it was to get you riled up. And in some cases out there this does happen in relationships. People change. Your BF might change. YOU might change. It might be something to keep in mind, at least as a mental exercise. And no, no-one knows how you and your BF are, that’s your businesses’.
“Well, as I’ve said before, no matter how much we wash down there, we will still produce natural but disgusting fluids.”
It isn’t that disgusting.
“You can’t ‘wash off’ one of biggest changes in your life (and that fact is that is considered something so little nowadays is so…cold). No, those are needed, as they need those jobs to live, or to enjoy life, and those germs, bar the sewage, are not so intimate. “
Except we do need sex to enjoy life. I mean, why should I or any women go every minute every day every year for the rest of their lives never getting any relief from an irritating cramp or burning down there for? Why put up with that?
“Oh, and I never thought non-virgins were not human. I was just sick of the rage so I threw out a sarcastic comment. Again, it’s the hypocrisy bit. I at least acknowledge the ways in wish I am hypocritical, an example being I am and consider myself a strong woman, but insult that but my needless crying. I don’t like boastful or cocky people, but like most people, I boast sometimes as well. Again, an overused statement, but we are human.”
I was curious as to what others who claim to be feminists believe.
No, they have not right to be selfish, hypocritical monsters. They were a foetus once, they were once that ‘parasite’, that ‘accident’, that ‘mistake’, that [insert other, sick, disgusting words for an innocent life here]. Every thing on the planet is technically a parasite, as we must feed on another living thing to survive (most plants are perhaps the expection). Besides, a parasite is defined as a creature of other species. No, it was irresponsible for her to go sleeping around full stop. Pregnancy does not to be ‘protected’ from. Nor is it an ‘accident’ or ‘unwanted’. If it was, that woman would not have choosen to have sex. If she could not ‘afford it’ (which is bullshit anyway), or ‘was not ready’ then she would not be ready to have a penis inside her. Pregnancy, apart from childbirth, is nothing compared to sex that came before it. No one can predict the future. My mother given the suggestion to abort me because of my conditions, they said I would never walk, talk, read or write. And I’ve done that and so much more. How would she have known that if she was so selfish (not to mention she wanted a child). If the ‘women’ (or stupid, selfish girl) really is so heartless and inhuman, then she can find another family to give the child to. It is not ‘selfish’, it is not ‘sexist’, it is not ‘oppressive’ or ‘trying to control women’ (when they have allowed themselves to be controlled by men), it is equality for all. And again, just like others who believe that disgusting, selfish, sexist attitude, you ignore the potential suffering of the man who just lost his child. That’s not utterly sexist, a double standard, and hypocritical or anything. Here we go with the period excuse. That, again, is natural. Simple. Just like pregnancy is.
Not if they are boasting about it and calling it their ‘feminist right’ or whatever. It is not ‘harassment’ or when that girl has already broken that great boundary. She is hypocritical to complain as she is a sexual being. It is natural, as OMG, men have a right to a sex drive as well. I just keep coming back to correct the idiotic assumptions and pettiness of these compete strangers.
As I said, it gives feminism a bad name and encourages selfishness and sexism against men.
It is not ‘extreme’. They are far more extreme things you can do to harm the body, my dear. Rape is not some special crime. It is simply abuse as horrid as any other. Let me give another example then – if I were hit someone who did not deserve it, then I could not complain about someone else striking me, as I’ve already done that. Excluding the marriage/engagement thing I mentioned, that girl is a hypocrite for claiming rape as she had already been penetrated and regardless of the damage, it makes no difference to her status. And I also explained why she is really traumatized, but again, that is not make the mental suffering any less real.
That’s not what I meant. What I meant is, if a virgin woman became engaged or married someone, male or female, and even if they were to have sex with them, they could still be raped, as they have made a commitment to someone and that violator is also violating the commitment. As for the other bit, if a virgin woman were to have sex with a man/woman and commit to them, then for some reason they break up (I’m not saying it is her fault), and she get manages to get a relationship with another man or woman, she is a hypocrite if she ever claims he or she is ‘cheating’ on or ‘betraying’ her, as she already cheated on them. They just had the kindness and goodness to forgive her (they do that if they pursue the relationship). If that woman was a widow, however, then I suppose it can be considered cheating on the other partner’s part (you know, the whole ‘death do us part’ bit).
Well, they don’t.
No, it is not an ‘issue’. The issue is that it exists for non-rape reasons.
I already explained – the selfishness in regards to pregnancy and the possible betrayal. They have no reason to have sex, but can still chose to if they wish. Again, I never said or implied I would stop anyone making that choice. I am not one of those disgusting people who think a woman who does not want children (again, if she did not, she would not partake in heterosexual intercourse for ‘fun’), or is infertile is horrible person or, sickeningly, ‘broken’. Again, it’s the attitudes I dislike.
I’ve said that before too. As my mother was not one to lie, when I put forth the big baby question at six, she bought me a book (for children) called “Where do I Come From?. Of course, these idiots on here think she ‘traumatized me’ and that a six year old could not possibility understand such a thing. The other parents were like that too, “*gasp* it has nude pictures! That’s obscene!”. And as I learned more in reproduction lessons (what you would call ‘sex ed’, I’m guessing) in science in first and second year, then biology and human biology the rest, I began to formulate my views, as I thought about the way sex worked.
I can safely say I will never be interested in sex. Yes, I might want to get pregnant someday, you never know (but not in the ‘my biological clock is ticking’ kind of way), but I still wholly wish to adopt, but only when I’ve had my life first. I have my friends, my writing, my curiosity, until then. Yes, I’ve stopped judging other people’s non-marital relationships as being more then just sex, so maybe they should stop their stereotyping of mine. People also think he a ‘doormat’ because he dares do what a woman tells him, and think that he wishes to ‘protect’ or ‘save’ when he’s anything but a chauvinist pig. A certain someone also thinks he’ll agree if anything I see because if not, I would ‘rage’ and thinks that I am also ‘raging’. Another stereotype, as her experiences do not apply to all.
They contain waste products. How can they not be disgusting? And most women don’t exactly look forward to periods.
If you ‘need’ sex (sex is not a ‘need’ unless you are a man unable to come from masturbation or wet dreams), then you are a pretty sad person indeed. What does that say for asexuals?
“I was curious as to what others who claim to be feminists believe. “
Fair enough
“No, they have not right to be selfish, hypocritical monsters. They were a foetus once, they were once that ‘parasite’, that ‘accident’, that ‘mistake’, that [insert other, sick, disgusting words for an innocent life here]. Every thing on the planet is technically a parasite, as we must feed on another living thing to survive (most plants are perhaps the expection). Besides, a parasite is defined as a creature of other species. No, it was irresponsible for her to go sleeping around full stop. Pregnancy does not to be ‘protected’ from. Nor is it an ‘accident’ or ‘unwanted’. If it was, that woman would not have choosen to have sex. If she could not ‘afford it’ (which is bullshit anyway), or ‘was not ready’ then she would not be ready to have a penis inside her. Pregnancy, apart from childbirth, is nothing compared to sex that came before it. No one can predict the future. My mother given the suggestion to abort me because of my conditions, they said I would never walk, talk, read or write. And I’ve done that and so much more. How would she have known that if she was so selfish (not to mention she wanted a child).”
I can see why you place a lot of value in “pro-life” considering your circumstances. Your case was a success story. This doesn’t always happen though, and there a lot of negative experiences out there that people are considering when having an abortion as well. And your case may just have easily have failed. What if you couldn’t walk or talk? What if you couldn’t see at all, and not hear?
What if your mother didn’t know how to raise a child and neglected to look after you? Yeah, like I said, people should be responsible and not get pregnant in the first place if they realise they can’t be parents (and some people are never “ready”). But to expect them to never have sex because of this is a bit much, but I’ll get to that later…
“If the ‘women’ (or stupid, selfish girl) really is so heartless and inhuman, then she can find another family to give the child to.”
You do realise how many orphans there are that never get people to look after them, right? And how rough it is for them, right?
“It is not ‘selfish’, it is not ‘sexist’, it is not ‘oppressive’ or ‘trying to control women’ (when they have allowed themselves to be controlled by men), it is equality for all. And again, just like others who believe that disgusting, selfish, sexist attitude, you ignore the potential suffering of the man who just lost his child. That’s not utterly sexist, a double standard, and hypocritical or anything.”
Thought exercise: what if it was the woman who wanted to keep the child, and the man who wanted her to get the abortion, because he didn’t want the responsibility? Guys do that sometimes, you know.
“Here we go with the period excuse. That, again, is natural. Simple. Just like pregnancy is.”
Miscarriages are natural too.
“Not if they are boasting about it and calling it their ‘feminist right’ or whatever. It is not ‘harassment’ or when that girl has already broken that great boundary. She is hypocritical to complain as she is a sexual being. It is natural, as OMG, men have a right to a sex drive as well. I just keep coming back to correct the idiotic assumptions and pettiness of these compete strangers.”
She has a right to complain. People need to work and study in harassment free environments. And harassment has little to do with sex drive and more to do with the harasser wanting to get a reaction out of the harrassee.
“As I said, it gives feminism a bad name and encourages selfishness and sexism against men. “
Some girls out there do. Maybe these bloggers or whatever are idiots but that doesn’t mean women everywhere who have a sex drive have to put up with men being an ass. It’s wrong for a woman to do that to a man so why not vice versa?
“It is not ‘extreme’. They are far more extreme things you can do to harm the body, my dear. Rape is not some special crime. It is simply abuse as horrid as any other.”
Yes that is true there are worse things. It is still a serious crime though.
“ Let me give another example then – if I were hit someone who did not deserve it, then I could not complain about someone else striking me, as I’ve already done that.”
Hitting someone is a form of harm. Having consensual sex with someone is not a form of harm. It is a reward; the guy and girl (or whatever variation of sexes) are enjoying each other’s company. If someone hit you after you gave them a reward that would be rather unfair wouldn’t it?
“Excluding the marriage/engagement thing I mentioned, that girl is a hypocrite for claiming rape as she had already been penetrated and regardless of the damage, it makes no difference to her status. And I also explained why she is really traumatized, but again, that is not make the mental suffering any less real.”
Her status.
So according to you, never mind the physical trauma, her reproductive (and possibly internal) organs bleeding, the lack of security, the disgust. It’s her status that she has to worry about. If she doesn’t have that, then why worry? Her status is such a precious thing to lose if she gave it up before it’s karma if she gets raped. She should never have given up her “status”. But if she was a virgin who lost her “status”, it’s a horrible atrocity.
Is that seriously what you’re saying?
“That’s not what I meant. What I meant is, if a virgin woman became engaged or married someone, male or female, and even if they were to have sex with them, they could still be raped, as they have made a commitment to someone and that violator is also violating the commitment. As for the other bit, if a virgin woman were to have sex with a man/woman and commit to them, then for some reason they break up (I’m not saying it is her fault), and she get manages to get a relationship with another man or woman, she is a hypocrite if she ever claims he or she is ‘cheating’ on or ‘betraying’ her, as she already cheated on them. They just had the kindness and goodness to forgive her (they do that if they pursue the relationship). If that woman was a widow, however, then I suppose it can be considered cheating on the other partner’s part (you know, the whole ‘death do us part’ bit).”
How can she cheat on him if she at the time didn’t even know him? How do you betray someone you don’t even know? Didn’t you already say you can’t predict the future? What if your BF decides to leave you or you leave him, does that mean you’ve already betrayed the next man (or woman) who loves you?
“Well, they don’t.”
You cannot judge the behaviour of the majority of “non-virgins” based on the opinions of a bunch of bloggers or LJers you found online.
“No, it is not an ‘issue’. The issue is that it exists for non-rape reasons.” It kind of is. It’s discussed on the news or talk shows and magazines quite a bit sometimes.
“I already explained – the selfishness in regards to pregnancy and the possible betrayal. They have no reason to have sex, but can still chose to if they wish. Again, I never said or implied I would stop anyone making that choice. I am not one of those disgusting people who think a woman who does not want children (again, if she did not, she would not partake in heterosexual intercourse for ‘fun’), or is infertile is horrible person or, sickeningly, ‘broken’. Again, it’s the attitudes I dislike.”
Okay
“I’ve said that before too. As my mother was not one to lie, when I put forth the big baby question at six, she bought me a book (for children) called “Where do I Come From?. Of course, these idiots on here think she ‘traumatized me’ and that a six year old could not possibility understand such a thing. The other parents were like that too, “*gasp* it has nude pictures! That’s obscene!”. And as I learned more in reproduction lessons (what you would call ‘sex ed’, I’m guessing) in science in first and second year, then biology and human biology the rest, I began to formulate my views, as I thought about the way sex worked.”
No offense, but I think you do seem kind of traumatised, but more likely from your “sex-ed”. It might not even be caused by either, but whatever the cause, you simply had some sort of issue with things and people speculated why that would be. And no, you’re not curled up on the bed in a catatonic state, but you seem to be highly concerned with virginity and STD’s and “germy penises” that most people don’t worry about. And yeah I know you go out and do other things and live life. But it has affected you in your behaviour towards others.
“I can safely say I will never be interested in sex. Yes, I might want to get pregnant someday, you never know (but not in the ‘my biological clock is ticking’ kind of way), but I still wholly wish to adopt, but only when I’ve had my life first. I have my friends, my writing, my curiosity, until then. Yes, I’ve stopped judging other people’s non-marital relationships as being more then just sex, so maybe they should stop their stereotyping of mine.
People also think he a ‘doormat’ because he dares do what a woman tells him, and think that he wishes to ‘protect’ or ‘save’ when he’s anything but a chauvinist pig. A certain someone also thinks he’ll agree if anything I see because if not, I would ‘rage’ and thinks that I am also ‘raging’. Another stereotype, as her experiences do not apply to all.”
I’m staying out of that.
“They contain waste products. How can they not be disgusting? And most women don’t exactly look forward to periods.”
Cum? It’s usually clean if a guy or girl washes beforehand and considered a fun and safe product of the body. Some people have even tried consuming it
“If you ‘need’ sex (sex is not a ‘need’ unless you are a man unable to come from masturbation or wet dreams), then you are a pretty sad person indeed. What does that say for asexuals?”
Well, sexual release anyway, I should have said sexual activity. What can I say though, women have needs. It’s like needing to go to the toilet, you can hold it off as you need to be sociably acceptable, but you can’t hold it off forever, and you can’t expect couples and people everywhere to hold it off indefinitely because say they don’t want kids. It’s kind of cruel, don’t you think?
I don’t know what it says about asexuals, I really can’t say. I’m not going to say “OMG you’re missing out on this fun!” As that would be condescending. It would be nice not to not be concerned with “OMG these women should be strong proud honourable virgins!” as that is sort of condescending too.
I also support it because of equality. Equality for all. And while it is not the reason why, I am also sick of the ‘feminists’ who scream that being anti-abortion is automatically ‘anti-women’no matter what. Another example is a old secondary school friend of mine. She was born at roughly the same time as me (well, I was fourteen weeks early, her a month), and she weighed even less than me, and has/had worse eyesight (well, I was born blind and she could see, but hers became worse than mine from a very young age) and she made it through as well, she did those things as well. Babies are strong. There would still be ways to live. Everyone deserves a life unless they ruin the life of another. If you have that attitude, what does that say for deafblind children, or children/adults who cannot look after themselves at all (due to a mental condition or underdevelopment). And even when it comes to criminals, I still think they deserve the right to books and art (my government recently tried to ban both). It sounds cheesy, these stories, I know, but real life can be like that sometimes.
Well, then that would be her fault, and if that were the situation, I would hope I was given a better home. Yes, abuse is disgusting no matter what, but many people have risen above such a thing. Again, they chose to have sex. The intelligent and most responsible thing would be to do that, but I know not everyone can resist lust. She is just selfish if she tries to get rid of it if or when it happens.
Of course I do. And while I know I cannot help them all, if I can at least give one, or two (I would still feel horrible about the children I’ve left behind) a good, loving home, I will had made some difference, even if it is so insignificant and will make no difference over all. It is because people are too selfish to adopt. Yes, you are free to have children the biological way, but I just wish people would consider adopting more. And besides, what’s to stop someone having a child biologically and from adoption. They are just as much your children. Your real parents are those who raise you. ‘Adopted’ should not be a prefix. I’m saying this because I’ve noticed they always separate children in those categories when naming them.
I know of this too, you know.He can walk away, just like the woman can give the child to someone else to raise. However, I am not being sexist here, as he’s is as much of a selfish prick as it would be with the genders the other way around. It takes two to tango, as they say.
Miscarriage is not on purpose, as you just stated. You cannot choose to miscarry. It is a tragic part of nature.
Ok, that is a point, and makes sense.
Urgh. They are not ‘being an ass’. Sure, they are letting themselves get carried away with that natural lust, but it is not evil. Because the man is not penetrated, the man’s body does not change so much. That’s not to say I don’t think lesbians can’t be raped, even if they used a dildo (but you’re kind of bisexual, then). Most men don’t feel pain either, whereas as a woman’s body to needs adjust to something being in there (yes, I know that some woman feel no pain, or have masturbated beforehand, but then you’re a non-virgin anyway). Yes, I know that you can tighten right back up afterwards if you don’t do it again for a while, but it does not change what has happened. I’m not saying that in a sexist way. I’m just saying that sex a big step in life (for men as well) and people treat it as if it is nothing. It can signal a commitment, it can result in the creation of new life, it can make you feel like a different person. Again, I’m not saying that applies to all, but those people who don’t feel even the slightest bit different are in denial.
Again, I never said it was not. Mind you, I tend to judge the severity of a physical or mental violation by how painful it is or what kinds of affects it had on the person’s mind, so I know that does not apply to all.
No, it is hypocrisy. Saying that one man can do all this stuff with you and another suddenly can’t because he’s no that man is hypocrisy because she has already done all that stuff, and it would make no difference doing it again. No, it is hypocrisy. Again, as I said, it makes the trauma no less real, but it is not for those reasons. It is her realising how foolish she was and how she cannot go back to the way things were before (no, not in regards to second partner, but her taking the step too early). She still deserves all the comfort and help she needs. Again, as she made a commitment to someone, as well as violating her, that person is violating her commitment to that person, and if that person were to reject her afterwards, she or he would be almost as bad as the rapist. I say the same for those sick cunts who break up with someone or dump them because they were raped and therefore ‘someone got there first’. That ‘first’ was not her choice. And it was not really a first in the first place, as she did not consent.
Yes, I did, but that person still rushed in too fast, most likely. Some relationships just don’t work out, and that is a sad thing (I mean that truly, as all that love and connections ended up for naught because something happened). If someone wants to date a girl (or a guy) who has been with another, all the power to them, they are strong people, but it still hypocritical to claim cheating, even if it wasn’t the claimer’s fault that the relationship failed, as she already made a commitment to another. All of these people are pretty good examples as well, as well those DA stamps and whatnot. I haven’t had sex with him. It is still be no less sad, but I have not handled my body over to someone else (no, we don’t do the ‘I belong to you and you belong to me’ nonsense).
Yes, people make it in issue, a selfish issues. Incest and rape are not selfish reasons, even if it is still unfair to the new life. There is no hypocrisy or selfishness there.
“I also support it because of equality. Equality for all. And while it is not the reason why, I am also sick of the ‘feminists’ who scream that being anti-abortion is automatically ‘anti-women’no matter what. Another example is a old secondary school friend of mine. She was born at roughly the same time as me (well, I was fourteen weeks early, her a month), and she weighed even less than me, and has/had worse eyesight (well, I was born blind and she could see, but hers became worse than mine from a very young age) and she made it through as well, she did those things as well. Babies are strong. “
While it is good that your friend also made it through, unfortunately not all babies are strong
There are positive outcomes, there are negative outcomes, and each case is individual.
“There would still be ways to live. Everyone deserves a life unless they ruin the life of another. If you have that attitude, what does that say for deafblind children, or children/adults who cannot look after themselves at all (due to a mental condition or underdevelopment). And even when it comes to criminals, I still think they deserve the right to books and art (my government recently tried to ban both). It sounds cheesy, these stories, I know, but real life can be like that sometimes.”
If I were talking about being simply blind alone, or deaf alone, it wouldn’t be so much of an issue. But blind as well as deaf? As well as being unable to walk? How much disability can an individual put up with? What if the kid was going to get cancer and would have a short life with nothing but pain?
“Well, then that would be her fault, and if that were the situation, I would hope I was given a better home. Yes, abuse is disgusting no matter what, but many people have risen above such a thing.
Again, they chose to have sex. The intelligent and most responsible thing would be to do that, but I know not everyone can resist lust. She is just selfish if she tries to get rid of it if or when it happens.”
It is far less selfish to stop something born before it can even feel pain than to bring a life into the world where it will know nothing but. She shouldn’t have gotten pregnant yes, but sometimes abortion is a kinder alternative.
“Of course I do. And while I know I cannot help them all, if I can at least give one, or two (I would still feel horrible about the children I’ve left behind) a good, loving home, I will had made some difference, even if it is so insignificant and will make no difference over all. It is because people are too selfish to adopt. Yes, you are free to have children the biological way, but I just wish people would consider adopting more. And besides, what’s to stop someone having a child biologically and from adoption. They are just as much your children. Your real parents are those who raise you. ‘Adopted’ should not be a prefix. I’m saying this because I’ve noticed they always separate children in those categories when naming them.”
This is true.
“Miscarriage is not on purpose, as you just stated. You cannot choose to miscarry. It is a tragic part of nature.”
Point being just because something is natural does not always make it so great. Caesareans are sometimes done to save the life of a baby. Are they natural?
“Urgh. They are not ‘being an ass’. Sure, they are letting themselves get carried away with that natural lust, but it is not evil.”
Okay, harassment is not “evil evil” but it’s still bad. A person can be sued if they do that. Besides, you don’t want someone you don’t care for deciding to try copping a feel from you, do you?
“Because the man is not penetrated, the man’s body does not change so much. That’s not to say I don’t think lesbians can’t be raped, even if they used a dildo (but you’re kind of bisexual, then).”
…..Rape however is evil.
“Most men don’t feel pain either, whereas as a woman’s body to needs adjust to something being in there (yes, I know that some woman feel no pain, or have masturbated beforehand, but then you’re a non-virgin anyway). Yes, I know that you can tighten right back up afterwards if you don’t do it again for a while, but it does not change what has happened. I’m not saying that in a sexist way. I’m just saying that sex a big step in life (for men as well) and people treat it as if it is nothing. It can signal a commitment, it can result in the creation of new life, it can make you feel like a different person. Again, I’m not saying that applies to all, but those people who don’t feel even the slightest bit different are in denial.”
Why does this “change” matter in regards to harassment or rape?
“Again, I never said it was not. Mind you, I tend to judge the severity of a physical or mental violation by how painful it is or what kinds of affects it had on the person’s mind, so I know that does not apply to all.”
While there are different situations that should be treated differently, this can get abused.
“No, it is hypocrisy. Saying that one man can do all this stuff with you and another suddenly can’t because he’s no that man is hypocrisy because she has already done all that stuff, and it would make no difference doing it again. No, it is hypocrisy. Again, as I said, it makes the trauma no less real, but it is not for those reasons. It is her realising how foolish she was and how she cannot go back to the way things were before (no, not in regards to second partner, but her taking the step too early).”
I do not think that is what her problem would be. That is what your problem is, and yours alone because for some reason you’re placing a lot of value into being a virgin and whether a person is rushing into a sex or not, it shouldn’t matter. No-one cares except for the odd religious nut. You know why? A woman’s body is her own. It is not hypocrisy to complain about getting raped, because what she did was never wrong in the first place, because it’s her body, and her right to do with it what she wants. She could be the next Paris Hilton but it would still be her body and her right.
For some reason you really “dislike” this change from having sex or think it is really immoral. Yeah, there might be a difference afterwards, but it’s not bad thing. You think it’s so bad, life after sex, and that the way things “were before” is so much better? I think you’re afraid of change, or at least that change. And for what? What do you THINK would happen if, for some odd reason, you did have consensual sex? I know you’re asexual, but say someone slipped you an aphrodisiac. You had an operation on your brain, whatever, just flex your imagination a bit. Humour me. You did it, the next morning, you go to the doctor, and you caught nothing after some tests. You didn’t become pregnant. What then? What different sort of person would you become?
“She still deserves all the comfort and help she needs. “
Yes she does.
“Again, as she made a commitment to someone, as well as violating her, that person is violating her commitment to that person, and if that person were to reject her afterwards, she or he would be almost as bad as the rapist. I say the same for those sick cunts who break up with someone or dump them because they were raped and therefore ‘someone got there first’. That ‘first’ was not her choice. And it was not really a first in the first place, as she did not consent.”
It would be wrong.
“Yes, I did, but that person still rushed in too fast, most likely. Some relationships just don’t work out, and that is a sad thing (I mean that truly, as all that love and connections ended up for naught because something happened). If someone wants to date a girl (or a guy) who has been with another, all the power to them, they are strong people, but it still hypocritical to claim cheating, even if it wasn’t the claimer’s fault that the relationship failed, as she already made a commitment to another. “
Cheating is bad not because it’s hypocritical, it’s bad because your partner wants you to love him or her. A person might have not had any partners before. Like you, you might not have had any partner before your BF. But if you went out and kissed someone while you agreed to be with him, you’d be cheating. If he went out and kissed a girl at the moment, he’d be cheating on you. If you however kissed someone before you even knew your BF, it wouldn’t be cheating. If you kiss your BF, you’re not cheating on your previous partner, because it would be over between you and that person. On the odd chance you have cheated on your BF, if he decided to kiss someone, he’s still be wrong, as he would be no better than you, (but you would also be in the wrong in the first place). If there is one thing that is hypocritical in this world, it is revenge.
“I haven’t had sex with him. It is still be no less sad, but I have not handled my body over to someone else (no, we don’t do the ‘I belong to you and you belong to me’ nonsense).”
I also forgot to mention a bit in regards to pregnancy - what if my allergies or conditions were to be passed down as well? I know they say it's fifty percent, but it's still fifty percent. If my child had those conditions, it would be all my fault. Yes, that child might be able to live life normally despite them, but I would still feel guilty that they had them.
Oh, silly me there. I meant to say that I/she was born fourteen weeks/a month early. No child could survive that early. Yes, you are right, and if those negative things happen, that is life, and we must mourn. However, even babies have the survival instinct. Ok, it seems to only manifest as 'if I make enough noise, someone will help me', but a sick infant will still want to survive. Ah, I saw a documentary about those twins. At least the parents gave them the chance. There is always exceptions.
We have charities over here for deafblind children. They can learn braille, explore the world through touch, have sensory toys. Those people can still enjoy life even if they cannot look after themselves. If they want to, on their own terms, die because it is too much for them, that is a whole different topic, but it is the decision and thoughts of the that person and that person alone who decides whether he or she likes his or her life.
Again, it is the person's choice whether their live is good or not.
I'm glad you think so.
But a C-section is not selfish, as you stated. Yes, we can all be selfish at times, but there is a level limit. For example, wishing to entertain ourselves, and asking for books, or technology, or whatever resources for it can be considered selfish. And there is always the survival instinct again, which can appear in negative ways. Yes, we thankfully have people who are dedicated to saving the life of others, but if a situation is really dire, we most likely will do anything we can to preserve ourselves.
Of course.
Again, of course.
She can just ignored it.
No, no, as I said to another person, you can be in a heterosexual, sexually-active relationship and still be feminist. Most married women are non-virigins, I know it is rare to become pregnant on the first attempt, etc. There is just a difference between 'meaningful sex' and 'throwing yourself at someone because you are letting lust control you'. I place a value on it in regards to romance and marriage because it makes sense. Again, people assume it for religious reasons. That's not the only reason, I've shown and observed. It is not fully 'her body' if she has given herself to another. Virgins have someone to lose (no, I am not saying rape is bad for the loss of virginity, but the heinous crime of someone taking and violating her body). A heterosexually non-virgin female does not have anything to violate unless she is engaged or married. She can sleep with as many or as few people she wants, but that does mean she can deny people the right to avoid her or have an opinion on her.
No, I don't think it's bad. I'm just saying there is some kind of change, no matter how small, and I (and I'm not the only one) just wishes people would be more careful and realize that it can only happen once. You can only give that gift to one person. And most people don't want it for 'religious' reasons. Well, I would be a mother. I would not let that define me as a woman, but I know I would do my damnest to make sure they have a good life. The bit I would be terrified over would be the childbirth. I know it is natural, but I would also worry this tiny body of mine could not take it (I don't think I'm 'weak' as that is anti-feminist, as I am will fight and protect myself if needed), but that, along with the shit my mother went through with both me and my brother, doesn't exactly give me confidence, and she's of average height and no medical conditions to speak of. I would get a C-section. And I would hope Matt would be there to help. I know he would not abandon me.
Again, of course. It would be disgusting. Not to mention it just piles on to the suffering the victim already had. And not forgetting how much courage and trust it takes for someone to confess such a thing.
Well, I would not, as I respect him. Oh, I should say, I do not think sex is the ultimate commitment, as I hope implied (but implied the former there). No, it just because someone is 'in the past' it does not chance the fact that it happened it. That relationship failed, therefore, making what happened in it pointless. Yes, I believe former partners can be friends, but how can you be friends with someone you slept with? That is why I did not understand the whole 'friends with benefits' thing. You have been so very, very, close with that person. Yes, that second, or third (after that, you're just getting desperate), can be your 'one' (I do naively wish that our first adult relationships can be our 'ones', but life is cruel) but that person still cannot claim cheating. I in fact dislike those people who think 'we haven't done anything yet, he/she must not love me!', and I'm guessing I'm not the only one in that regard? But that's another thing casual sex has let to.
Well, as you said, I suppose the kissing would count.
“Oh, silly me there. I meant to say that I/she was born fourteen weeks/a month early. No child could survive that early. Yes, you are right, and if those negative things happen, that is life, and we must mourn. However, even babies have the survival instinct. Ok, it seems to only manifest as 'if I make enough noise, someone will help me', but a sick infant will still want to survive. Ah, I saw a documentary about those twins. At least the parents gave them the chance. There is always exceptions.
We have charities over here for deafblind children. They can learn braille, explore the world through touch, have sensory toys. Those people can still enjoy life even if they cannot look after themselves. If they want to, on their own terms, die because it is too much for them, that is a whole different topic, but it is the decision and thoughts of the that person and that person alone who decides whether he or she likes her life.
Again, it is the person's choice whether their live is good or not”
Yes, it is that person’s decision. Although in cases where someone severely ill and is also incompetent, and there is not much hope for the person recovering, and their decision to continue living or continue suffering is unknown, the decision to end a life is left up to the family. In the case of an unborn child, it is best left up to the mother, which would be the said family.
“But a C-section is not selfish, as you stated. Yes, we can all be selfish at times, but there is a level limit. For example, wishing to entertain ourselves, and asking for books, or technology, or whatever resources for it can be considered selfish. And there is always the survival instinct again, which can appear in negative ways. Yes, we thankfully have people who are dedicated to saving the life of others, but if a situation is really dire, we most likely will do anything we can to preserve ourselves.”
Yet you believe abortion is selfish. Yet it isn’t selfish if you want to stop or prevent someone suffering.
Murder is wrong and selfish. Ending a life in the case of euthanasia or self-defence, is not.
“She can just ignored it.”
And if someone off the street decided to try feeling your boobs, are you going to ignore it and let him continue?
“No, no, as I said to another person, you can be in a heterosexual, sexually-active relationship and still be feminist. Most married women are non-virigins, I know it is rare to become pregnant on the first attempt, etc. There is just a difference between 'meaningful sex' and 'throwing yourself at someone because you are letting lust control you'.”
There is also a lot of grey area in between.
“I place a value on it in regards to romance and marriage because it makes sense. Again, people assume it for religious reasons. That's not the only reason, I've shown and observed. It is not fully 'her body' if she has given herself to another. Virgins have someone to lose (no, I am not saying rape is bad for the loss of virginity, but the heinous crime of someone taking and violating her body). A heterosexually non-virgin female does not have anything to violate unless she is engaged or married. She can sleep with as many or as few people she wants, but that does mean she can deny people the right to avoid her or have an opinion on her.”
She does have something she has lost, same as a virgin, as you described above “the heinous crime of someone taking and violating her body” but why do you think this doesn’t happen to non-virgins?
Why do you think “it is not fully her body” and that “it’s given to another” so completely?
What evidence can you provide that a woman does, would or should have her rights to her own body lost, that any sort of enslavement, either physical, mental or otherwise, starts the moment she has any sort of sexual activity, whether in a commitment or outside of one?
“No, I don't think it's bad. I'm just saying there is some kind of change, no matter how small, and I (and I'm not the only one) just wishes people would be more careful and realize that it can only happen once. You can only give that gift to one person. And most people don't want it for 'religious' reasons.”
Yes, but to believe the change is so severe that it’s hypocrisy when a non-virgin complains about rape?
“Well, I would be a mother. I would not let that define me as a woman, but I know I would do my damnest to make sure they have a good life. The bit I would be terrified over would be the childbirth. I know it unnatural, but I would also worry this tiny body of mine could not take it (I don't think I'm 'weak' as that is anti-feminist, as I am will fight and protect myself if needed), but that, along with the shit my mother went through with both me and my brother, doesn't exactly give me confidence, and she's of average height and no medical conditions to speak of. I would get a C-section. And I would hope Matt would be there to help. I know he would not abandon me.”
Yes, but what if you HAD sex, but DIDN’T become pregnant? Next day, go to doctor, no STD’s, no pregnancy. What would happen to you, do you think?
“Again, of course. It would be disgusting. Not to mention it just piles on to the suffering the victim already had. And not forgetting how much courage and trust it takes for someone to confess such a thing.”
Indeed
“Oh, I should say, I do not think sex is the ultimate commitment, as I hope implied (but implied the former there).
No, it just because someone is 'in the past' it does not chance the fact that it happened it. That relationship failed, therefore, making what happened in it pointless.”
I’m not saying former relationships end up being pointless or that it never happened. I’m saying what a person does in previous relationships doesn’t have any bearing on future ones in regards to cheating.
“Yes, I believe former partners can be friends, but how can you be friends with someone you slept with? That is why I did not understand the whole 'friends with benefits' thing. You have been so very, very, close with that person. Yes, that second, or third (after that, you're just getting desperate), can be your 'one' (I do naively wish that our first adult relationships can be our 'ones', but life is cruel) but that person still cannot claim cheating.”
I guess you’d have to ask someone who has slept with someone for that. It does happen though and it simply doesn’t affect other people the same it does with others.
“I in fact dislike those people who think 'we haven't done anything yet, he/she must not love me!', and I'm guessing I'm not the only one in that regard? But that's another thing casual sex has let to.”
You’re the only person I know of that considers what a person does before a relationship qualifies as cheating.
Why do you dislike them?
“Well, as you said, I suppose the kissing would count.”
Yep.
“I also forgot to mention a bit in regards to pregnancy - what if my allergies or conditions were to be passed down as well? I know they say it's fifty percent, but it's still fifty percent. If my child had those conditions, it would be all my fault. Yes, that child might be able to live life normally despite them, but I would still feel guilty that they had them.”
I dread the thought of having a child myself. It’s times like that I consider getting my tubes tied. But I’m forever alone anyway so why worry? But I asked you to stretch your imagination, so I’ll stretch mine in return.
If I had a child that had the same problems that I or my family has, or I passed on some disability, I’d have to live with that guilt. It would eat away it me, I guess, but there will be ways in life to deal with that guilt. In guess one way would be to channel it into helping the child cope with whatever problem it gets. If the guilt got too severe, I would have to seek help as I would not only have to look after my own well-being but the well-being of the kid who would depend on me, and I would have to realise this.
For the first one, yes. However, just out of curiosity, what is your opinion in regards to comas? Or permanent comas? It is true in some cases that the person can hear. No. That child has yet to even begins its life. It deserves a chance, not to be murdered by some heartless cow. The father, if willing, can take the child, or again, it can be given to another family. Just as the mother can keep the child if the father is a heartless bastard.
But again, you don’t know if that person will suffer. And that person who wants to end that life again was a foetus once. Euthanasia is the choice of the person wishing it unless they cannot give consent, then indeed it is the choice of the family. That foetus has yet to begin life in the real world. Again, unless the pregnancy could cause the mother’s death, or it was the result of rape, there is no reason to abort.
That is different. That is physical. Words from a stranger who knows nothing of you can be ignored.
Because she already gave herself to someone. Yes, she will suffer physically because that attacker obviously cares nothing for her, or sometimes, does not know what they are doing (it can happen, but the attacker would still be at fault), but she is not losing anything physically. Well, because sex, for women, tends to be more about emotions than physical thing (again, women who can be completely without emotions is a cold being), and due to the way sex works, she be very open and exposed to her partner, male or female. It is not slavery within commitment. Yes, I know sex is about lust, but again, it can be romantic in a committed relationship. But again, casual sex, swingers, BDSM, exist.
It’s not ‘severe’, that’s too harsh a word. Again, she already let another take he, and there being another, unless she is engaged or married, makes no difference in the long run. Her mind however, is a different matter, as we know.
Well, I’d probably just think “Well, fuck.” As then I would to give myself those names and insults. I’m good at insulting myself, after all.
Well, it does to some people, including me. Some people (not for religious reasons) think that sex outside of marriage, even with the person they are going to marry is betraying their future husband/wife (or only husband, because we all know lesbians are just trying to get attention -_-) or not being the strength and respect to wait until they are wed. I’m not that extreme, especially in regards to the ‘with the same person part’ and the fiancé/fiance is just as guilty for that last part as well. Some people just don’t like someone having a ‘sexual past’ to thin about. And no, it’s not because they ‘worry they might not be good enough’, unlike most ‘feminists’ say (I’m not saying you think this, I’m just giving an example of such attitudes again). But other people are free to view such things however they like. To have our own opinions, no matter what, is a form of equality.
Again, I don’t dislike them. I don’t like the attitude and selfishness.
:Nod: .
Forever alone? Now, now, why would you say that? As sappy, pathetic, and naïve as this sounds, you will find someone. Yes, I dread to think that there are people who have existed that, no matter how much they tried, never found that speical someone, but no-one deserves to die alone. No-one. For some reason, I can even extend that to the lowest and sickest of criminals. Seeing their loved ones, if they have any, might just make them think before they lose cognitive thinking, die and go to hell. That’s a sick thing right? To think that they deserve someone so…kind. Don’t give up, please. …
Eh, um, sorry . I just get a little carried away when people have this opinion of themselves, given that I’m a pessimist. We don’t need more of our kind. People of that mind set are an expatriating lot.
Ah, so I could use my experiences to help them? How logical (not sarcsasm). I mean sure, they could be a whiney little, “But you’re not me! You don’t understaaaannnddd!” but I would do my best to dispel that attitude. But of course. I would never want to be in a situation where I could not look after them. Also, as…old fashioned, maybe a little anti-feminist as this sounds, if I could raise a child, adopted or biological, I will made another achievement – I would add to the people who prove that disabilities does not mean one cannot be a good parent.
But that’s a long, long time away, after lots of training and confidence building.
“For the first one, yes. However, just out of curiosity, what is your opinion in regards to comas? Or permanent comas? It is true in some cases that the person can hear.”
Depends if there’s a chance of recovering. If there is, then all the best for the person in the coma. If not, in the permanent case, what’s the point in keeping that person “alive”? The person is gone, all that’s left is a heart beating and a body working which is not really what defines as “life life” to me, not without the mind and/or soul.
“No. That child has yet to even begins its life. It deserves a chance, not to be murdered by some heartless cow. The father, if willing, can take the child, or again, it can be given to another family. Just as the mother can keep the child if the father is a heartless bastard.
But again, you don’t know if that person will suffer. And that person who wants to end that life again was a foetus once. Euthanasia is the choice of the person wishing it unless they cannot give consent, then indeed it is the choice of the family. That foetus has yet to begin life in the real world. Again, unless the pregnancy could cause the mother’s death, or it was the result of rape, there is no reason to abort.”
While I disagree, as I would include cases of severe illnesses, or would still find it worse to simply bring a life into the world and abandon it (few people are adopting at all) and/or worse (there are horrible parents out there), what am I going to do? I value quality of life, you value life. I will -try- for once not to go forcing my views down someone’s throat. Maybe agree to disagree.
“That is different. That is physical. Words from a stranger who knows nothing of you can be ignored.”
True to an extent. Have you practised this though?
“Because she already gave herself to someone. Yes, she will suffer physically because that attacker obviously cares nothing for her, or sometimes, does not know what they are doing (it can happen, but the attacker would still be at fault), but she is not losing anything physically. Well, because sex, for women, tends to be more about emotions than physical thing (again, women who can be completely without emotions is a cold being), and due to the way sex works, she be very open and exposed to her partner, male or female. It is not slavery within commitment. Yes, I know sex is about lust, but again, it can be romantic in a committed relationship. But again, casual sex, swingers, BDSM, exist.”
If you are referring to consent, if this is your evidence, consent is not “giving herself to someone”. No more than asking someone to scratch your back so you can get rid of an itch means you are giving yourself to that person (or scratching someone else’s back). There may be love involved, there may be not, but either way, she or he still owns themselves.
If you are referring to love, well again, this doesn’t necessarily involve sex, and a person is still owned by themselves. Having a BF you should know this.
Being open or exposed isn’t giving away a person’s body. Whether you mean getting naked (my doctor has already seen me heaps of times. He don’t own me) or opening yourself emotionally which doesn’t always occur sexually anyway (I’m open to my family and friends they don’t own me either).
No-one, short of a satanic ritual, gives themselves to anybody in this permanent basis you seem to think of.
“It’s not ‘severe’, that’s too harsh a word. Again, she already let another take he, and there being another, unless she is engaged or married, makes no difference in the long run. Her mind however, is a different matter, as we know.”
Not severe? “makes no difference?” Do even realise the gravity of what you say? Why so many people have been upset at you?
“Well, I’d probably just think “Well, fuck.” As then I would to give myself those names and insults. I’m good at insulting myself, after all.”
What insults? “weak”, “submissive”, “whore”… When in fact you’d just end up being like the rest of the human race who has sex for pleasure. Well I’m sorry if anyone doing it means becoming something you dislike but face it people are human.
“Well, it does to some people, including me. Some people (not for religious reasons) think that sex outside of marriage, even with the person they are going to marry is betraying their future husband/wife”
But the people who have sex are usually either in the belief they ARE having sex with the future spouse or don’t even have any plan to have a commitment ever.
“ (or only husband, because we all know lesbians are just trying to get attention -_-)”
Are you a supporter of LGBT or are you not?
“ or not being the strength and respect to wait until they are wed. I’m not that extreme, especially in regards to the ‘with the same person part’ and the fiancé/fiance is just as guilty for that last part as well. Some people just don’t like someone having a ‘sexual past’ to thin about. And no, it’s not because they ‘worry they might not be good enough’, unlike most ‘feminists’ say (I’m not saying you think this, I’m just giving an example of such attitudes again).”
Yeah people should wait. But once again, people are human.
“But other people are free to view such things however they like. To have our own opinions, no matter what, is a form of equality.”
We have our right to free speech, but we also have our right to live in a non-threatening environment.
“Forever alone? Now, now, why would you say that? As sappy, pathetic, and naïve as this sounds, you will find someone. Yes, I dread to think that there are people who have existed that, no matter how much they tried, never found that speical someone, but no-one deserves to die alone. No-one. For some reason, I can even extend that to the lowest and sickest of criminals. Seeing their loved ones, if they have any, might just make them think before they lose cognitive thinking, die and go to hell. That’s a sick thing right? To think that they deserve someone so…kind.
Don’t give up, please. …”
As touching as this is, I have to face facts; I dug my own grave here. This is what I get for spending my youth running around getting into people’s faces about how evil I thought sex was and how holier I was than everyone else. I was a little bigot and now I’m paying the price. Besides the one time I did have a BF I had to break up with him because I couldn’t put out and he wanted me to; he ended up taking it out on others by going out getting drunk and getting into fights, which scared me, but I realised I was being cruel; what was I going to do, continue on and marry him and on the wedding night refuse to do anything? Keep him in effect celibate for the rest of his life?
Anyway, I disgress. I am the one who has isolated myself. VERY much like you have begun to do so to yourself. That is why I am here. Change before you end up like me. This is not a threat, this is a warning.
“Eh, um, sorry . I just get a little carried away when people have this opinion of themselves, given that I’m a pessimist. We don’t need more of our kind. People of that mind set are an expatriating lot.”
Okay
“Ah, so I could use my experiences to help them? How logical (not sarcsasm). I mean sure, they could be a whiney little, “But you’re not me! You don’t understaaaannnddd!” but I would do my best to dispel that attitude. But of course. I would never want to be in a situation where I could not look after them. Also, as…old fashioned, maybe a little anti-feminist as this sounds, if I could raise a child, adopted or biological, I will made another achievement – I would add to the people who prove that disabilities does not mean one cannot be a good parent.
But that’s a long, long time away, after lots of training and confidence building.”
People should not discriminate those with disabilities as they have a right to be a parent as much as anyone, so long as they are a good parent and cause no harm.
Neither can them. Exactly. They were once that vulnerable, tiny life. They are basically saying that it is ok for them to be born, but if they were to chose to have and have the natural result of pregnancy, it is utterly and completely selfish for her to act like, “Oh, but I’m special, that baby will only be an inconvenience.” If their parents had not ‘allowed’ her to be born, she would not have been alive to be so selfish. Rape, incest and the mother’s life being in danger are the only viable, non-sexist, non-hypocritical, non-selfish reasons for an abortion.
Of course, I value quality of life. That is why I believe in that child deciding if their lives are good or not. Most children can tell if they are being abused. In addition, people don’t adopt as they do not bother to even consider it. As I said, there is nothing with wanting a child the biological way, but no one even considers adoption, even when having trouble getting pregnancy. They go through all the expensive IVF and whatnot before him for such reasons as ‘wanting the sensation of pregnancy’, a ‘child to carry on my blood’. Very well then. This is a detersive topic. I am just sick of the selfishness and ‘you are against abortion?! MISOGYNIST! ANTI-FEMINIST!” attitudes.
I do my best, but we all have a point where we can take no more. Yes, it’s hypocritical, but we are all hypocrites. If some person were to proposition me, or yell out someone sexual, I would just say something such as, “I’m a virgin and happy about it, thank you very much” and walk on. Sex is unlike any act in the world. It can be compared to nothing. I was not saying that sex equals love. I just believe that is an intimate thing that should be between two people engaged/married people (are they are now lawfully committed rather than just officially in their eyes) who love each other and them alone.
No, but the nakedness and design of sex means, weather she thinks so or not, a woman is very exposed and under the guidance of a man. I do not think there does not exist men who are just as nervous in that area, or that all girls are shy and terrified when it comes to sex, but the man is not the one allowing someone of the opposite gender inside their body, to have complete access to their body (yes, men allow that too, but it is not as much a woman does).
I simply understand what being two-faced and pompous is, thinking one is better than this person is even though they have already thrown themselves at another. Acting as if they have someone to preserve, something to keep, something to protect. I have my body to protect and honour. I look after it; I will never it up give it to anyone.
Yes, but if I did not, I would be acting as if it is difference simply because I am me. That would be an incredibly arrogant thing to do.
Unless they are engaged or married, they obviously went in too soon. Even if they don’t plan to have a commitment even though they are having se as a woman, again, they are rather heartless. Yes, not everyone wants to fall in love or get married, but if so, don’t go doing the very thing that is supposed to be a private thing between two committed people.
I am for them, of course. I’m not some intolerant cunt. I was simply showing the type of attitudes homophobes display. It is sometimes hard to convey vocal tones in writing, so I hoped the emote would show that. Sorry for the confusion.
True, true. Some just have more willpower than others do.
Yes, but that’s never going to happen. We can reduce it was much as possible, but as there will always exist someone to brainwash the next generation, who will then past it onto those after them, that will never be.
You were expressing your opinion and there is nothing wrong with that. If people want to choose to be offended at someone’s opinion on their choice, that is their problem, not yours. However, I do not think sex is ‘evil’. Virgins are better when so many girls are throwing that gift away at such a young age and outside lawful, complete commitment. If most girls were preserving themselves and being intelligent enough to know when it is good to do that, then it would not be so special. Well, then, he was a prick. It’s not as if you were the first to be put in that position. You might one day find someone else with similar views. You sound young (not young young, but twenty-something) so it’s not as if you are running out of time.
However, even if I did not have a boyfriend, I would not care, as I don’t need to be in a relationship to be happy. Other people would just assume that it is because of my views and that would be their brainwashed opinion. He does not really care for sex. He loves me because I am strong, self-respecting, booze and drug free woman. Of course, we have a lot in common as well. Some of our opposites even compliment (hence why opposites attract sometimes). Yes, like most couples, we do argue every now and then or get annoyed at sometimes (he gets annoyed at my paranoia at other people’s opinions and I hate how messy he is, for example), but we know we will always get along.
Well, just like with other intolerances, it will always happen.
“I do my best, but we all have a point where we can take no more. Yes, it’s hypocritical, but we are all hypocrites. If some person were to proposition me, or yell out someone sexual, I would just say something such as, “I’m a virgin and happy about it, thank you very much” and walk on.”
Depends on the person, everybody is different in regards to how much they can take.
“Sex is unlike any act in the world. It can be compared to nothing.
I was not saying that sex equals love. I just believe that is an intimate thing that should be between two people engaged/married people (are they are now lawfully committed rather than just officially in their eyes) who love each other and them alone.”
Not everyone has this belief though. Not that they believe people who are married shouldn’t love/ have sex, just that it doesn’t necessarily have to be strictly within that marriage. Heck, there are some people who don’t even believe in marriage. Of course you have your beliefs if that’s what you want to do (save for marriage etc) that’s all good. But when someone else does different to what you do, who are you to condemn them?
“No, but the nakedness and design of sex means, weather she thinks so or not, a woman is very exposed and under the guidance of a man. I do not think there does not exist men who are just as nervous in that area, or that all girls are shy and terrified when it comes to sex, but the man is not the one allowing someone of the opposite gender inside their body, to have complete access to their body (yes, men allow that too, but it is not as much a woman does).”
Why not as much as a woman does? Why would that give her less rights over her body as a man? Why are men allowed to do whatever while women have to be all pure and proper, just because of this? Why should women who choose to have sex in spite of this be condemned to abuse?
“I simply understand what being two-faced and pompous is, thinking one is better than this person”
And you don’t think you’re better than non-virgins because you are a virgin? Weren’t you going around calling non-virgins a string of insults? You weren’t thinking you were better because you’re not “weak” “slutty” “brainwashed” etc….
“ is even though they have already thrown themselves at another.”
This doesn’t mean they should have to put up with rape. They don’t even do it to be pompous or because they think they are better or whatever. They have sex because they like someone.
“Acting as if they have someone to preserve, something to keep, something to protect.”
There are things to protect beyond virginity. As much as it is your right to keep to yourself, but with the way you put a fuss over those that don’t, why do you feel a woman has to protect virginity so much, why do you think that’s ALL a woman needs to protect and be upset over? Why do you feel you have to? A lot of people don’t care about virginity, why should you? Maybe this thing YOU feel the need to preserve and protect isn’t as valuable as you think it is.
“I have my body to protect and honour. I look after it; I will never it up give it to anyone.”
No-one’s going to steal your body. Sans body-snatchers, if they exist. Or demons. (don't demons actually PREFER harassing virgins?)
“Yes, but if I did not, I would be acting as if it is difference simply because I am me. That would be an incredibly arrogant thing to do.”
Well yeah that is true. But the point was, why give out those insults to anyone at all, even yourself? It’s like a homophobic person who is also gay throwing out insults to himself and others as well. But the question is why does he want to insult people who are homosexual? Why do you feel the need to insult non-virgins?
Anyway you answered my question of what you think would happen to you after sex. You pointed out you would insult yourself. Is this what you feel the need to protect and honour? How you would not feel weak or slutty? Is this why you value virginity so much, just so you’re not these things?
“Unless they are engaged or married, they obviously went in too soon.”
It’s up to the parties involved to decide what is right for themselves.
“Even if they don’t plan to have a commitment even though they are having se as a woman, again, they are rather heartless. Yes, not everyone wants to fall in love or get married, but if so, don’t go doing the very thing that is supposed to be a private thing between two committed people.”
Why are they heartless for doing what is by most regarded an act of affection, whether in a commitment or not? Why should they not have sex just because they don’t want to get married? It’s their bodies after all.
“I am for them, of course. I’m not some intolerant cunt. I was simply showing the type of attitudes homophobes display. It is sometimes hard to convey vocal tones in writing, so I hoped the emote would show that. Sorry for the confusion.”
Uhhh, okay.
“True, true. Some just have more willpower than others do.”
Or simply less libido, and had less of a challenge than others.
“Yes, but that’s never going to happen. We can reduce it was much as possible, but as there will always exist someone to brainwash the next generation, who will then past it onto those after them, that will never be. “
Who’s brainwashing who?
“You were expressing your opinion and there is nothing wrong with that. If people want to choose to be offended at someone’s opinion on their choice, that is their problem, not yours. However, I do not think sex is ‘evil’. Virgins are better when so many girls are throwing that gift away at such a young age and outside lawful, complete commitment. If most girls were preserving themselves and being intelligent enough to know when it is good to do that, then it would not be so special.”
It was not a matter of expressing an opinion it was shoving my opinion down everybody’s throats, which isn’t a very nice thing to do. Nasty habit of mine, I need to break it. No-one cares if someone’s a virgin or not, just don’t go telling people what they should or shouldn’t do with their bodies. It’s wrong.
“However, even if I did not have a boyfriend, I would not care, as I don’t need to be in a relationship to be happy. Other people would just assume that it is because of my views and that would be their brainwashed opinion. He does not really care for sex. He loves me because I am strong, self-respecting, booze and drug free woman. Of course, we have a lot in common as well. Some of our opposites even compliment (hence why opposites attract sometimes). Yes, like most couples, we do argue every now and then or get annoyed at sometimes (he gets annoyed at my paranoia at other people’s opinions and I hate how messy he is, for example), but we know we will always get along."
I don’t think people would assume that simply because of your “unique” views. A lot of people feel they don’t need to be in a relationship to be happy. Not everyone out there is some brainwashed force
“Well, just like with other intolerances, it will always happen.”
People should try to try and stop it though I guess
Indeed, but some people just oversensitive or lack a spine.
You can love without marriage. The marriage would even happen if there was no love, obviously. I’ not ‘waiting’ for marriage. That implies I’m going to jump my spouse the moment the reception is over. Even in marriage, I would not want to do that. Even a marriage can work without sex. If people don’t believe in marriage, that is their belief. It’s my opinion. People are so loose nowadays. Ok, I know not everyone, even when in a relationship, fuck like rabbits, but sex used to be such a private thing. Even in times before a brothel was seen as more respectable (for both parties).
She still has rights to her body, but must understand that she shared it with another person. I just explained why. I explained that too. The physical, biological, emotional/mental differences along with the differing results or connotations. It is not ‘abuse’. It is opinion. If she’s does not like me, maybe she should not have been so loose.
As I said, I and other virgins are better as so many girls are going around losing it so young and then (unsurprizingly) that relationship ends at some point, be it after a short or long period, or just losing it in casual sex. If most women (or men) were a little more in control or respectful of themselves, it would be nothing special as, well, it would be a common thing. That is not the case and it never has been.
‘Put up with rape’? While I do not think, it is the worst thing to happen as I said, (things such as murder, genocide, child/animal cruelty and torture are worse to me). They are, as again, it was perfectly ok for that boyfriend or one night stand to be with her, but this man, oh no, she’s much too pure and ‘could do better’ even though it would not change her in the slightest (unless she got an STD, but she made the choice) if that man was inside her as well.
I know our lives, our livelihood, our loved ones, all those good things. I wouldn't not ‘put up such a fuss’ if they did not shove their non-virginity in everyone’s faces while claiming how ‘liberated’ and demanding that no one have an opinion on her reckless actions or they are The Big Three of insults (‘sexist’, ‘misogynist’, ‘oppressive), and then they turn around and shame men for looking at them sexually, or wanting an opinion on the life of their child. No, as I said. Just like a woman, a woman, if so ‘liberated’ and ‘strong’, should protect her life, her job, her loved ones. I’m sure there are others, but they are the ones that popped into my mind. As I said, their attitudes affect and all proper feminists, by giving us a bad name. Not to mention they make people think if you are a feminist, you are out there shagging anyone you fancy. It also affects me and other feminists who actually care about men, because of the above mentioned sexism.
Ok, sarcastic or not I did laugh at that a little. A little off topic, but I’ve never understood the ‘virgin sacrifice’ thing. Why would a demon want someone who would be scared and not do any— oh, wait, that is what they want.
Because I would be one of them, and as I said, if I acted like I was a special case or different from anyone else, then as I said, that would be incredibility arrogant and egotistical.
One of the reasons, but also I, because I am glad I am not part of that common crowd. Yes, that sounds egotistical and arrogant, but I refer you to my reasoning above (sorry for the repeat, but you asked the question – I don’t mean that rudely). I’m pretty sure that, when I go to hell, rape is going to be my first punishment. Plus, I have no interest in having sex. Ever.
Very well, but there would still be a reason, and all that supposedly loving sex would be for naught.
How is it ‘affectionate’ when it is outside a relationship and purely about carnal desires? As I said, sex can be romantic in a relationship.
Challenge?
Intolerant adults, who were most likely got their racism, or sexism, or homophobia, or fundamentalism from another adult who insisted that in them as a child or teenager, or even as an adult, and will pass it on to the following generation.
I’m not doing that though. It’s not as if I am starting it on something unrelated. IF someone expresses their opinion in a public place or on the internet, especially when it full of double standards, sexism (against both genders) hypocrisy, or selfishness, some people will express a negative opinion. I can’t help if so many women are so insecure and don’t want to take responsibility and be treated the same as men in a world of supposed equality.
Some people do, as I told other people. I’ve seen it myself. And they have good (non-religious, non-sexist, but self-respecting reason). Again, I’m doing that either, I’m just saying they think, and while others are of course allowed an opinon on it, it is somewhat meaningless when they rely on assumptions of ‘I was raped/molested/dumped’ a ‘religious nut’, ‘insane’, ‘repressed’ and what have you.
Again, I said that, but that doesn’t mean it is ok for them to go around throwing themselves at anyone. That is disgusting.
“Indeed, but some people just oversensitive or lack a spine.”
Some people are. But it all depends on different people. Even you yourself would have your limits.
“You can love without marriage. The marriage would even happen if there was no love, obviously. I’ not ‘waiting’ for marriage. That implies I’m going to jump my spouse the moment the reception is over. Even in marriage, I would not want to do that. Even a marriage can work without sex. If people don’t believe in marriage, that is their belief. It’s my opinion. People are so loose nowadays. Ok, I know not everyone, even when in a relationship, fuck like rabbits, but sex used to be such a private thing. Even in times before a brothel was seen as more respectable (for both parties).”
Yes people are. And why not? There is becoming less and less reason for restraint aside from either STD’s and/ or pregnancy (solved via contraceptives etc) or religious reasons (not your issue but usually others). It feels good so why not?
“She still has rights to her body, but must understand that she shared it with another person. I just explained why. I explained that too. The physical, biological, emotional/mental differences along with the differing results or connotations. It is not ‘abuse’. It is opinion. If she’s does not like me, maybe she should not have been so loose.”
So she’s different so she should be treated different? And you see nothing at all wrong with that mindset? It is a lot like how racist or sexist or homophobic people think, after all.
You explained how you felt about sex and how you would feel vulnerable and exposed. Maybe some girls feel that way, but it isn’t universal, and it’s NOT a good reason for women to be treated different.
Like, what if your mindset was reversed? Eg. Never mind that guys take a risk when having sex. Ever heard of coitus captivus? Ever noticed how protective men are when it comes to their balls? It’s a lot safer to have your organs on the inside rather than the outside (which is why your brain is inside a skull). I guess they are more vulnerable when it comes to sex. Maybe I should start believing I can go around having sex and THEY should stay pure and proper. Maybe MEN can’t be the ones who can claim cheating while it’s okay for woman to screw whoever they want. Maybe it’s the men who are worse off for allowing a woman access to their bodies. Think the above is a load of nonsense? So do I, because it shouldn’t matter who’s vulnerable or exposed or who’s penetrated or not or whatever, any more than it shouldn’t matter whether a person is black or white. Men and woman should be treated equally.
Like, you’re a female, do you wanted to be treated different? Wouldn’t you prefer it if you were allowed to do the same things guys can do?
“As I said, I and other virgins are better as so many girls are going around losing it so young and then (unsurprizingly) that relationship ends at some point, be it after a short or long period, or just losing it in casual sex. If most women (or men) were a little more in control or respectful of themselves, it would be nothing special as, well, it would be a common thing. That is not the case and it never has been.”
You think you’re better than others, don’t you think this is a bit pompous?
“‘Put up with rape’? While I do not think, it is the worst thing to happen as I said, (things such as murder, genocide, child/animal cruelty and torture are worse to me). They are, as again, it was perfectly ok for that boyfriend or one night stand to be with her, but this man, oh no, she’s much too pure and ‘could do better’ even though it would not change her in the slightest (unless she got an STD, but she made the choice) if that man was inside her as well.”
You seriously don’t get why a girl would say no to one guy after she yes to another, even though others have tried to explain to you why? Then again, I suppose it’s like explaining the sense of taste to someone who was born without a tongue. Who can only consider why someone would refuse to eat something is because of how they would look.
“I know our lives, our livelihood, our loved ones, all those good things. I wouldn't not ‘put up such a fuss’ if they did not shove their non-virginity in everyone’s faces while claiming how ‘liberated’ and demanding that no one have an opinion on her reckless actions or they are The Big Three of insults (‘sexist’, ‘misogynist’, ‘oppressive), and then they turn around and shame men for looking at them sexually, or wanting an opinion on the life of their child. No, as I said. Just like a woman, a woman, if so ‘liberated’ and ‘strong’, should protect her life, her job, her loved ones. I’m sure there are others, but they are the ones that popped into my mind. As I said, their attitudes affect and all proper feminists, by giving us a bad name. Not to mention they make people think if you are a feminist, you are out there shagging anyone you fancy. It also affects me and other feminists who actually care about men, because of the above mentioned sexism.”
Yet you’re going to other people’s discussions and waving your virginity in their faces. How are you any better?
“Ok, sarcastic or not I did laugh at that a little. A little off topic, but I’ve never understood the ‘virgin sacrifice’ thing. Why would a demon want someone who would be scared and not do any— oh, wait, that is what they want.”
Ha ha.
“Because I would be one of them, and as I said, if I acted like I was a special case or different from anyone else, then as I said, that would be incredibility arrogant and egotistical.”
Ah, you don’t want to be “one of them”, I see. Although I do not see why you don’t see anything wrong with that line of thinking.
“One of the reasons, but also I, because I am glad I am not part of that common crowd. Yes, that sounds egotistical and arrogant, but I refer you to my reasoning above (sorry for the repeat, but you asked the question – I don’t mean that rudely).”
But if you recognise it is arrogant, why still be like that? I can see why being a “sheep” appears bad but at the same time, “when in Rome, you do as the Romans do”, and considering this society, you’re more likely to get by by tolerating people whether or not they are virgin.
“I’m pretty sure that, when I go to hell, rape is going to be my first punishment.”
Naaah. Might want to watch out what you get reincarnated as though. If you believe in that.
“Plus, I have no interest in having sex. Ever.”
That’s what I used to say before I found out I was anaemic and had that cured. EDIT aka it might for all you know be due to a medical condition
You know what they say; pride comes before a fall.
“Very well, but there would still be a reason, and all that supposedly loving sex would be for naught.”
Sometimes.
“How is it ‘affectionate’ when it is outside a relationship and purely about carnal desires? As I said, sex can be romantic in a relationship.”
It is unlikely for a person to have sex with someone without feeling some degree of attachment or attraction to said person. They’re not going to have sex with someone they consider unlikeable or would hate (sans rapists, but they’re horrible anyway and shouldn’t be considered normal). Even the one night standers are going to pick someone they consider attractive (which doesn’t necessarily mean in a physical sense).
“Challenge?”
Yeah, challenge. Like, ages ago, I used to wonder why teenage girls would go and get pregnant etc and why they needed contraceptives. Why couldn’t they just keep their legs closed, like me? I used to think I must be a stronger person than them. Then I found out I was anaemic, and thus had a lower libido than them. What these girls had gone through was stronger than what I ever felt, and I had no right to judge them, and would do no better than they would if I were in their position.
Now, if you were mentioning people with willpower as a reference to yourself, because you have said no to sex so far, I would disagree; you are asexual, and haven’t felt desire. As you said, you have no interest in having sex, so what is your willpower resisting against? It’s like a person waving around a feather and saying “I am strong, I have lifted this little feather” when a better way to prove you a strong would be to lift a heavy weight dumb-bell. Likewise, people with little to no libido are no stronger or have more willpower than the next person. Want to prove you are strong? Be heterosexual (or homosexual/ bisexual or whatever), take a bunch of aphrodisiacs, watch a tonne of porn or whatever gets you interested, all the while not doing anything with yourself or anyone else.
“Intolerant adults, who were most likely got their racism, or sexism, or homophobia, or fundamentalism from another adult who insisted that in them as a child or teenager, or even as an adult, and will pass it on to the following generation.”
You are referring to hate, or bigotry. Come to think of it, how do those kinds of people think? “These people are different and should be treated differently” “I don’t want to be one of them” “I am better than them”…. Sound familiar?
“I’m not doing that though. It’s not as if I am starting it on something unrelated. IF someone expresses their opinion in a public place or on the internet, especially when it full of double standards, sexism (against both genders) hypocrisy, or selfishness, some people will express a negative opinion. I can’t help if so many women are so insecure and don’t want to take responsibility and be treated the same as men in a world of supposed equality.”
Doing it in a public place doesn’t make it less of a nuisance.
“Some people do, as I told other people. I’ve seen it myself. And they have good (non-religious, non-sexist, but self-respecting reason). Again, I’m doing that either, I’m just saying they think, and while others are of course allowed an opinon on it, it is somewhat meaningless when they rely on assumptions of ‘I was raped/molested/dumped’ a ‘religious nut’, ‘insane’, ‘repressed’ and what have you.”
Like I said before, no-one knows why you’re so uptight about “non-virgins” to the extent you are, so they were likely speculating as to why. Although come to think of it, if it was due to those reasons, you would have at least garnered some amount of sympathy.
“Again, I said that, but that doesn’t mean it is ok for them to go around throwing themselves at anyone. That is disgusting.”
What is disgusting, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
It’s just the selfishness that comes with it, as I’ve said.
Your race, orientation, and gender are not a choice. And homosexual intercourse would never result in a selfish choice made by one partner. However, a homosexual boosting about their sex life and proclaiming how ‘liberated’ they are would be just as annoying as a straight person.
I’m not saying all do, but the point is, women tend to need more trust, more of a feeling that they are safe and secure. Ok, yes, there exists plenty of women who are so weak that they can’t wait to jump someone’s bones, but you understand what I mean, yes?
No, they are valuable when it comes to damage down there (as in, someone attacking there). Biologically it doesn’t make much sense for them to be so exposed. Why did some animal species evolve to have the testis on the outside?
And actually, that used to be the case. Men (in ancient times, mind) used to be seen as insulting their virility for sleeping around, and that women were too lustful to refuse sex.
Of course, but sex is not the same for both genders. Both physically and emotionally.
If something is rare, it tends to be valued. I’m not saying I’m special little angel, but neither am I common. I am uncommon. Simple.
That’s true I guess. I just won’t understand that as I don’t have sex. And again, sex is unlike any other activity. Well, I suppose eating could count.
I can’t help if it’s all over the bloody place. If they will express their opinions, so shall others.
…I’m stupid for saying that?
I’m just me – a weirdo.
I said it sounds arrogant, but then I tried to show reasons why it is not. Several times.
I do. I understand that I am entitled to my views as much as they without being insulted for it. I feel bad about jumping to insults so easily.
Well, if so, I couldn’t care less. Plus again, that would make I would have to start calling myself those names.
Ah, I said that too. You explained it better. Ok, what we said is fairly obvious, but you still explained it far better than me.
Well, I have appointments and bloods tests on a regular basis. They haven’t found anything yet, not that I discuss such things with a doctor.
Ok, but those people who so easily give into lust do not have willpower. I can understand it that I am weak in willpower in other ways. A craving for a certain food, for example. Sometimes I can resist it as I tell myself reasons, sometimes I don’t, and I take what comes with it (unsettled stomach, can’t sleep even less because of the sugar, etc), but I know that is my fault.
Again, your gender, orientation, race and whatnot are not chosen by the person.
It’s a free place.
Well, I don’t want ‘sympathy’. Nor would I want to add to that stereotype if it was the case. I’m not some fragile little flower much as I have my paranoia. I’m strong in other areas.
Yes, yes, that’s true, but there a faction for everything.
“It’s just the selfishness that comes with it, as I’ve said.”
If people where to care what is selfish and what is not to such a large extent nobody would have any fun
“Your race, orientation, and gender are not a choice. And homosexual intercourse would never result in a selfish choice made by one partner.”
Nor would a woman who uses contraceptives/ is infertile/ uses her left hand etc.
“However, a homosexual boosting about their sex life and proclaiming how ‘liberated’ they are would be just as annoying as a straight person.”
And a virgin claiming how liberated they are isn’t annoying? Yeah, there’s a bunch of SJW on tumblr no-one likes. They get their knocks though, however AFAIK, they don’t go around saying virgins who get rape is simply karma
“I’m not saying all do, but the point is, women tend to need more trust, more of a feeling that they are safe and secure. Ok, yes, there exists plenty of women who are so weak that they can’t wait to jump someone’s bones, but you understand what I mean, yes?”
I understand the differences you are pointing out. I do not see why it’s a reason to treat someone different. Wanting to be safe and secure is one thing, but using it as a basis for not getting things males get or how women who aren’t insecure about it can’t complain about rape is another.
“No, they are valuable when it comes to damage down there (as in, someone attacking there). Biologically it doesn’t make much sense for them to be so exposed. Why did some animal species evolve to have the testis on the outside?”
Actually I think it has to do with how the sperm developed in the testes need to be kept at a temperature less than what a mammalian body is kept at. If it was kept inside the sperm would die, so it’s kept outside to cool the sperm down. Googling it….
“And actually, that used to be the case. Men (in ancient times, mind) used to be seen as insulting their virility for sleeping around, and that women were too lustful to refuse sex.”
Maybe, but either way, wouldn’t that be sexist? I wouldn’t want men to not get something women get, and vice versa.
“Of course, but sex is not the same for both genders. Both physically and emotionally.”
Yeah, but you don’t want to be treated differently based on those differences, do you, I take it? So why treat others different? Do to others what you want done to you.
Like, you can argue sexes are different with sex. So are different individuals. You may feel even more vulnerable than most women. Maybe you alone should not be allowed to cheat while whatever BF/ husband/ GF whatever you get can be with whoever they want. You wouldn’t like that, would you?
“If something is rare, it tends to be valued. I’m not saying I’m special little angel, but neither am I common. I am uncommon. Simple.”
This is true, to an extent. It is my belief that things are valued based on what use you can get out of them. Take gold for example; it is useful because you can get money from it to buy things you want/ need. If you’re stuck in a desert though, a lump of gold is pretty much useless because it’s not going to turn itself magically into water or food which you really will need. If you want to be a virgin to be different it’s nice and I guess maybe you’ll value yourself. Maybe you feel you’ll be seen better in the eyes of a GF/ BF. I don’t know. Virginity however isn’t going to get you a job or money (unless you’re one of those people who sell their virginities, but considering what you’ve said so far I doubt it). It isn’t even something people are going to take notice of at first glance so it’s not like anyone else will care.
“That’s true I guess. I just won’t understand that as I don’t have sex. And again, sex is unlike any other activity. Well, I suppose eating could count.”
I just wish you could knock out the victim-blaming.
“I can’t help if it’s all over the bloody place. If they will express their opinions, so shall others.”
Like I said, they’re not saying people who get raped can’t complain etc. And considering how violent rape is, right to express your opinion can only get you so far.
“…I’m stupid for saying that?”
You need to laugh at things sometimes.
“I’m just me – a weirdo.”
Being a weirdo isn’t the problem. The “us and them” mentality is usually what leads to bigotry.
“I said it sounds arrogant, but then I tried to show reasons why it is not. Several times.”
Does that really outweigh the negative?
“I do. I understand that I am entitled to my views as much as they without being insulted for it. I feel bad about jumping to insults so easily.”
We all need to learn that at some point, as we all start off like that. I do that sometimes but I’ve hoped I have grown out of it.
“Well, if so, I couldn’t care less. Plus again, that would make I would have to start calling myself those names.”
How about not calling anyone names, either others or yourself?
You at least are consistent with your “dislike” whether it involves yourself or not.
“Ah, I said that too. You explained it better. Ok, what we said is fairly obvious, but you still explained it far better than me.”
Uhhh, thanks?
“Well, I have appointments and bloods tests on a regular basis. They haven’t found anything yet, not that I discuss such things with a doctor.”
If you say so.
“Ok, but those people who so easily give into lust do not have willpower. I can understand it that I am weak in willpower in other ways. A craving for a certain food, for example. Sometimes I can resist it as I tell myself reasons, sometimes I don’t, and I take what comes with it (unsettled stomach, can’t sleep even less because of the sugar, etc), but I know that is my fault.”
Some might be weak, yes. Some others it can’t be helped. And when it’s the latter, if nothing ill comes of it, why should it be a fault? Like when you eat that food, why feel guilty? You wanted the pleasure brought to you by that ice-cream, no-one else cares you ate it, it satisfied you, so why feel bad? It’s not a case of you being “weak” it was a case of that ice-cream being very tasty. So long as it doesn’t go so far as to cause anyone ill, which is more important than satisfying yourself.
“Again, your gender, orientation, race and whatnot are not chosen by the person.”
Food for thought; does it matter whether a person was able to choose something or not, so long as they aren’t harming anyone with it? What if the homophobes where right, homosexuality is a choice? Would homosexuality still really be wrong if it involves two consenting adults? Would it still be right for the others to continue their hate?
“It’s a free place.”
They were also free to smash my face in, which they did.
“Well, I don’t want ‘sympathy’. Nor would I want to add to that stereotype if it was the case. I’m not some fragile little flower much as I have my paranoia. I’m strong in other areas.”
If that is what you want.
“Yes, yes, that’s true, but there a faction for everything.”
As it’s not in the kind of way that most people do, and mine do not involve the same connotations.
Yes, that’s why there are different levels.
Well, thank you. Again, it is not ‘getting the same’ as males and females are not biologically the same. Other areas can be overcome as the reasons for the woman being disallowed from certain jobs or leadership roles were the different values and attitudes of the time, however, the divide in sexuality is based on our very, unchangeable biology. There is no innate biology (woman can be just as strong as men, either naturally or through training/building muscles) to say that woman cannot be builders, firefighters, frontline soldiers (I may hate the military, but I support that), CEOs, nor is there any to say men cannot be ballet dancers, fashion designers, househusbands, nannies and nurses. There is no way to get over the penetrator-penetrated/giver-receiver relationship in heterosexual intercourse unless you are gay.
As I said, virgins around my age are rare, not common. Again, homosexual intercourse does not come with the selfish ‘choice’ to kill the natural result while claiming it is your ‘reproductive right’, when the choice was to have sex. See my reasoning above. I’m sorry but that is something I cannot change.
A woman claiming this man’s penis is fine to be inside her, but this man, “Oh no, I’m much too pure, and ‘strong’ and ‘too good for him’” is a< hypocrite. It’s not like she already had sex or anything. It’s not like she is a sexual being or anything. It’s not like she has already been penetrated or anything.
The same goes for women who are fine with vaginal sex but anything else is disgusting. Most ridiculous is when she refuses to give a blowjob or handjob. Just…really?!
You can undo the evidence of having eaten cake, and just like most activities you are unaffected (unless you partake in it too much) afterward. When one is a non-virgin, they are so forever. Even getting one of those ridiculous ‘hymen repair surgeries’ (we both know that the hymen does not equal virginity – for me, it is partaking in any sexual activity whatsoever), that won’t undone one’s state of being.
Using contraceptives is selfish when they deny the natural result that may still happen. If it happens and they accept and are a supporter of true equality, then they may go ahead and have sex for pleasure all they like. You’re not being a hypocrite (unless they start claiming to be ‘sexually liberated’ or ‘feminist’ for letting a man dominate you). If not, that is the most disgusting, selfish, hypocritical action anyone could support or do, considering we were all foetuses once and they obviously do not support equality for all, but only when it suits women, as only women matter in this world of today. If the mother could die or, god forbid, it was from rape, that is far more understandable and not hypocritical, (but still a little bit selfish, but only a little, as it natural as well, wanting to preserve our own lives).
Ah, how stupid of me. I thought it was something to do with temperature, but I thought I was remembering it wrong, if you get what I mean. One of those ‘duuuuuuh’ moments. Though there has been a few people (men mostly, of course, though some in non-serious manners in comedy shows) have wondered why they can’t withdraw that particular area in case of attack.
That was a silly, senseless view of the past. The view after that made sense
I don’t have sex. I would not cheat anyway if that were the case. Men cannot ‘cheat’ on a woman unless he is the one she give her virginity to or married. And I would never date a non-virgin female anyway.
People care because they care about the relationships and perhaps future children as well. Ok, being a non-virgin does not automatically mean a woman will cheat, but she will compare, and most likely poison their children’s minds with the idea that sleeping around is a good thing. Not to mention she is touching those children and kissing them with lips once around another’s man genitals. It is valuable as they are highly unlikely to have any STDs as well, and regardless of how they would be passed on, it’s still there. It is valuable as it an indication (but far from the only way) of one’s strength and self-respect. For most asexuals though, it just comes naturally.
However, those girls who sell their virginity are just…there must be something wrong with them. I’m not saying that because they want to throw their virginity away from money, but rather because it indicates one had someone wrong in the mental area.
It’s not ‘victim-blaming’ that is just bullshit ‘feminists’ make up to avoid taking responsibly for their actions as the equality-seeking people they claim to be. Abuse victims and men in such cases especially, suffer victim blaming. You can’t teach people not to commit a crime they’ve never done or will continue to do, unless you are very luckily for the latter.
It’s only violence when you actually have someone to lose. As a said, a married non-virgin (provided that was the man/woman she give herself to) would not be violated, but her attacker is violating her marriage too. And if the husband/wife dumbed her for it, that would be disgusting as well. I don’t care if others hate this view or call me insane for it. I cannot change it as, unfortunately, I cannot see it any other way.
I do, but I just get worried, as I said.
Because there are two different groups of people, within the same group, as there is such exists in everything.
Others chose to see the negative. I of all people understand that (being a cynical person, after all) but still disagree.
Same here.
When they stop trying to shove their whiney, hypocritical views down everyone’s throats. But that won’t happen.
I made a genuine compliment. Sorry if it sounded sarcastic.
I’m just going on what I’ve been told and what I see myself.
Yes, but again, there are different connotations and results, again. However, eating those kinds of foods all the time can be bad as well, as it can led to health problems. However, at least that is less likely to harm others.
Again, homosexuality/homosexual intercourse (of either males or females) is far less likely to end in selfishness or someone preaching about how ‘liberated’ and ‘strong’ they are and anyone who insults them is a sexist. Hating on that would still be disgusting, as it saying that not being ‘normal’ is bad.
Well of course that would be bad. That’s violence. That’s abuse. That’s disgusting.
“As it’s not in the kind of way that most people do, and mine do not involve the same connotations.”
Still boils down to wanting to not be harassed, doesn’t it?
“Yes, that’s why there are different levels.”
Agreed, but unless it involves harming someone, why put it in such a low level. (putting aside abortion since like I said, a lot of the time pregnancy wouldn’t be involved)
“Well, thank you. Again, it is not ‘getting the same’ as males and females are not biologically the same. Other areas can be overcome as the reasons for the woman being disallowed from certain jobs or leadership roles were the different values and attitudes of the time, however, the divide in sexuality is based on our very, unchangeable biology. There is no innate biology (woman can be just as strong as men, either naturally or through training/building muscles) to say that woman cannot be builders, firefighters, frontline soldiers (I may hate the military, but I support that), CEOs, nor is there any to say men cannot be ballet dancers, fashion designers, househusbands, nannies and nurses. There is no way to get over the penetrator-penetrated/giver-receiver relationship in heterosexual intercourse unless you are gay.”
Or unless you don’t feel insecure or vulnerable about having something inside you, at least that’s what I’m trying to see your reasons for the whole “penetrated=submissive thing”.
“As I said, virgins around my age are rare, not common. “
The internet is in fact rife with virgins, actually.
“Again, homosexual intercourse does not come with the selfish ‘choice’ to kill the natural result while claiming it is your ‘reproductive right’, when the choice was to have sex. See my reasoning above. I’m sorry but that is something I cannot change.”
But then neither does using your left hand, people who are infertile, etc.
“A woman claiming this man’s penis is fine to be inside her, but this man, “Oh no, I’m much too pure, and ‘strong’ and ‘too good for him’” is a< hypocrite. It’s not like she already had sex or anything. It’s not like she is a sexual being or anything. It’s not like she has already been penetrated or anything.”
Ummm, that's NOT what a woman complains about when she gets raped. That’s not what she thinks. Maybe that’s what YOU’D think, but others, no. it’s more likely she’d think “Oh shit this is fucking painful” or “I really hate this gross creep who did this to me, I hope he rots in hell.” andfeeling a lot of disgust.
“The same goes for women who are fine with vaginal sex but anything else is disgusting. Most ridiculous is when she refuses to give a blowjob or handjob. Just…really?!”
Different folks, different strokes. I personally don’t get that either though, so long as it’s with someone you consent to do it with, I don’t see anything wrong with those. But if they don’t consent, it is a disgusting horrible act.
“You can undo the evidence of having eaten cake, and just like most activities you are unaffected (unless you partake in it too much) afterward. When one is a non-virgin, they are so forever. Even getting one of those ridiculous ‘hymen repair surgeries’ (we both know that the hymen does not equal virginity – for me, it is partaking in any sexual activity whatsoever), that won’t undone one’s state of being.”
I take it you are referring to the cake analogy someone else pointed out. Okay I’ll go with that then if you want. If one is non-virgin, it may be different or it may not (depends on the person) but if you consent at least you or no-one else is harmed. Getting raped is a form of harm. You can get scars, your internal organs might get damaged, you don’t feel secure about your safety. You can get rid of the evidence of eating the cake, but if your mouth is scarred preventing you from eating ever again, or you feel scared to eat again, you can’t undo that. Granted the first time you have sex can’t be undone either, but it’s not as traumatic.
“Using contraceptives is selfish when they deny the natural result that may still happen.”
See, I don’t get this. It stops a woman from getting pregnant, so no abortion will end up happening. Wouldn’t that make a pro-lifer such as yourself more happy? No killing, even if it is something which is currently debated by others whether it’s even alive or not.
On that note, I am curious, what is your stance on spaying animals? Yeah maybe it’s a bit insensitive putting animals when talking about people but I have been curious about this for a while.
“If it happens and they accept and are a supporter of true equality, then they may go ahead and have sex for pleasure all they like. You’re not being a hypocrite (unless they start claiming to be ‘sexually liberated’ or ‘feminist’ for letting a man dominate you). If not, that is the most disgusting, selfish, hypocritical action anyone could support or do, considering we were all foetuses once and they obviously do not support equality for all, but only when it suits women, as only women matter in this world of today. If the mother could die or, god forbid, it was from rape, that is far more understandable and not hypocritical, (but still a little bit selfish, but only a little, as it natural as well, wanting to preserve our own lives).”
The most? What about when someone on the streets who kills someone for a couple of bucks? What about some creep who rapes some poor girl (or guy) just so he can feel good about himself or herself? These are the worst sort of things you can do to someone. You seem to be focused on the killing of a foetus because of your own life experience not because of that’s what other people once were, only that because you once were a foetus that lived. Not everyone values the same things you do.
“Ah, how stupid of me. I thought it was something to do with temperature, but I thought I was remembering it wrong, if you get what I mean. One of those ‘duuuuuuh’ moments. Though there has been a few people (men mostly, of course, though some in non-serious manners in comedy shows) have wondered why they can’t withdraw that particular area in case of attack.”
That’s what life is like in the mammalian world.
“That was a silly, senseless view of the past. The view after that made sense”
It was?
“I don’t have sex. I would not cheat anyway if that were the case. Men cannot ‘cheat’ on a woman unless he is the one she give her virginity to or married. And I would never date a non-virgin female anyway.”
Good luck with that.
“People care because they care about the relationships and perhaps future children as well. Ok, being a non-virgin does not automatically mean a woman will cheat, but she will compare, and most likely poison their children’s minds with the idea that sleeping around is a good thing. Not to mention she is touching those children and kissing them with lips once around another’s man genitals. It is valuable as they are highly unlikely to have any STDs as well, and regardless of how they would be passed on, it’s still there. It is valuable as it an indication (but far from the only way) of one’s strength and self-respect. For most asexuals though, it just comes naturally.”
You know, I’m going to go out on a limb here and point out that my Mother was a non-virgin when she married. Not that it’s anyone’s business mind you. My Dad never cared, I never cared, my sisters never cared. And none of us “sleep around”… In fact I used to be the same as you almost. And heck, I don’t know exactly what she does behind closed doors with my Dad, but I do have a hunch they do do stuff that doesn’t involve getting pregnant (because that’s what married people do, have sex outside getting pregnant) and I still don’t care and I’m not afraid to hug/ kiss/ be kissed by them because I love them no matter what. I mean, your own Mother did something to conceive you (and your siblings if you have any) should you start avoiding her? To top it off, you touch your own genitalia when you wipe, maybe you should be avoided like the plague.
“However, those girls who sell their virginity are just…there must be something wrong with them. I’m not saying that because they want to throw their virginity away from money, but rather because it indicates one had someone wrong in the mental area.”
It involves money, who am I to judge? It’s their body, that’s what some people do. Maybe they’re just desperate to have a roof over their heads. Maybe you wouldn’t be so quick to judge if you weren’t so well off yourself.
“It’s not ‘victim-blaming’ that is just bullshit ‘feminists’ make up to avoid taking responsibly for their actions as the equality-seeking people they claim to be. Abuse victims and men in such cases especially, suffer victim blaming. You can’t teach people not to commit a crime they’ve never done or will continue to do, unless you are very luckily for the latter.”
I’m not talking about the cases where there are some women who falsely accuse men of rape. I’m talking about those who are raped. And that included men who are raped too. And it’s not bullshit. How would you like it if you got raped and some guy went up and told you it’s your own fault because all women are whores who want it?
“It’s only violence when you actually have someone to lose. As a said, a married non-virgin (provided that was the man/woman she give herself to) would not be violated, but her attacker is violating her marriage too. And if the husband/wife dumbed her for it, that would be disgusting as well. I don’t care if others hate this view or call me insane for it. I cannot change it as, unfortunately, I cannot see it any other way.”
Cannot, or will not? And why not? Why are you so strong on that stance, especially when it is in fact an immoral stance you are taking? This isn’t a case of some lesbian saying she won’t change her sexuality or something. This is a case of someone not seeing the immoral implications of rape. Rape for pities sake. You are looking at rape and not seeing something wrong with it. Don’t you get how VILE it is? Don’t you get how EVIL you’re being? What’s more important, your virginity or your soul?
“I do, but I just get worried, as I said.”
Worried? About what? Men not getting the same as women or vice versa? People are trying to solve that, not just you. Worried about foetuses dying?The abortion debate still rages between people who are wiser than you or I, and you think you’re smarter than any of them and have something to say that they haven’t? Pffft. Worried about women complaining about getting raped? They have a right to, and your evil for saying otherwise.
“Because there are two different groups of people, within the same group, as there is such exists in everything.”
Equality means for everyone though. Isn’t it the right sort of thing to strive for, and the right thing to avoid; bigotry?
“Others chose to see the negative. I of all people understand that (being a cynical person, after all) but still disagree.”
When you have a weakness, you don’t ignore it and focus on the strong “look how strong my right arm is!”, you look at the weak and exercise it and make it as strong as the rest of you. Same with the negative in people. Don’t ignore your own and make your better points stand out, make everything clean inside of you.
“Same here.”
Understandable
“When they stop trying to shove their whiney, hypocritical views down everyone’s throats. But that won’t happen.”
There are some groups I don’t get along with but I don’t call them names, do I?
“I made a genuine compliment. Sorry if it sounded sarcastic.”
I didn’t mean to imply that you were being sarcastic
“I’m just going on what I’ve been told and what I see myself.’
It’s your body. I am not one to tell you what is happening in it. I am going by my own experiences, it may relate to yours, it might not.
“Yes, but again, there are different connotations and results, again. However, eating those kinds of foods all the time can be bad as well, as it can led to health problems. However, at least that is less likely to harm others.”
The end result is the same between eating something nice and sex; you feel pleasure. Although sex is more pleasurable. And if you’re harming no-one, why fight it?
“Again, homosexuality/homosexual intercourse (of either males or females) is far less likely to end in selfishness or someone preaching about how ‘liberated’ and ‘strong’ they are and anyone who insults them is a sexist. Hating on that would still be disgusting, as it saying that not being ‘normal’ is bad.”
No offense meant to anyone homosexual out there, but I kind of expect that they do feel a bit liberated after they are after all were oppressed in the past. Why would that be wrong, or wrong for anyone else to preach it?
And once again, how can someone who is jilling off/ infertile/ contraceptives going to end in selfishness?
“Well of course that would be bad. That’s violence. That’s abuse. That’s disgusting.”
Getting punched is nothing. They didn’t bash me to death or anything like that. I kind of consider it society spanking my ass for misbehaving.
Yes, but I would not be a hypocrite by calling it such.
Well, for me, when it is selfishness that can be easily avoided, then it is still an issue. We all can be selfish, it’s in our genes after all. Some just choose to do it more than others.
No, it’s just when they claim to be ‘feminist’ and ‘free’ when they are willing putting themselves into a submissive position, as natural as it is. Even if thet are dominant mentally (E.g. being the one to take charge in trouble situations or being authoritative), they still have that one area. However, unlike what most people think, that does not mean I judge women entirely on virginity, or think all non-virgins are horrible. For example, biological mothers are non-virgins, most married women are non-virgins, most lesbians are non-virgins.
Yes, but they(especially if male) are insulted and shamed for that, as I’m guessing this a quip about that.
Yes, that is true. If I did not say that before, that is true.
I know, I’m just showing the way she is basically acting, regardless of her thoughts. It is not ‘gross’ as she is already a sexual being, as I said.
So you’re saying you can violate a woman’s hand or mouth, even though she already have sex with that person/is comfortable with having another man’s sexual organ inside her, which is basically touching it? Pfft. Next you’ll say you believe that bullshit that a woman being ‘tricked’ into having sex was ‘raped’ (she fell for the lie, she choose to have that sex, she consented, and a man in particular cannot ‘use’ a woman, as she choose to let him in).
Well, then, as I said to her, metaphor or not, it is simply not the same. Eating a cake (or to put in more perspective, kissing someone) is not making an irreversible choice (not even that insane ‘hymen surgery’ counts, though I’m not suprized some people think the hymen still means virginity or not, it can be broken by something as simple as your period). I’m happy to kiss my mother (you’re never too old) and my boyfriend, but that does not mean I would be happy with some random person kissing me. I’ve even hugged strangers despite the germ-related part of my OCD (I know the real name, but I can’t remember it right now) and it was only in very specific circumstances – being at a con, and said people had those ‘free hugs’ signs. Besides, who doesn’t like a nice hug?
However, the suffering is of course real, and one should be helped to get past that, but it is still hypocritical to be like that.
Yes, that is true, but the thing is, they still want to go and get an abortion, even though they know that no matter what kind of contraception it is, no matter how many different types you use, there is always that chance, that small chance, that woman will become pregnant. That is where the selfishness, the barbarism comes in.
Well, while I feel it is cruel, I read up on the reasons why, and that neutering can extend a male dog’s life, so I can understand. It seems as if we are denying them their natural desire to breed, but if it makes their lives happier, it’s a good thing. And it might reduce them humping stuff too. And if I was against it, that would be hypocritical, as I’m for human circumcision, as I respect it as part of another’s religion and because it has health benefits. However, I do feel that is anti-feminist/sexist, as I’m basically saying it’s ok to…I’m not sure if ‘mutilate’ is the right word…the body of another, as no one, unless they were sick, is for female circumcision. Then again, it comes down to the different sexual organs, I suppose.
Hm? Those are disgusting of course, but needless/selfish version of abortion are just that bit worse as that life is being taking after before they even experience the outside world and is an option. In addition, while it is still not an excuse, and should be treated as badly, but someone people have an ‘urge’, something in there that demand they kill, or someone who cannot control themselves.
If you are referring to my birth, yes, it does have an effect, as it means that I am one of those people whose mother was told (or thought herself) that I would live a miserable life and I proved them wrong. A secondary school friend weighed two ounces less than me, and has far poorer eyesight (but that is all she had in regards to medical conditions), and she is now in college. Sure, I’m not completely independent, as I said, but I know I’ll have to be one day. I’m still happy with my life at the moment. I’m still trying to contribute to society. However, my main reason is because we were once that life, and that everyone is entitled to a life unless they have committed some irredeemable crime (for me, it is murder, rape, child or animal abuse), and no one has the right to dictate who lives and who dies. Such a thing makes existence itself something punishable.
True, true. And there are some monks who can take a kick in the balls (or several) and are not even fazed: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js_3bI… either they have an incredible amount of strength to hide their pain, or their training has affected their bodies to withstand such a thing.
Again, because of the biology.
Yes, I know, I’ll end up dying alone if ever I wanted to seek out a new partner if my current relationship goes down the plughole. I just need to hope that never happens. I know people say this a lot, but he’s the best I could have, and I wouldnot want to be with anyone else.
As I said, some people just don’t care, and that is a noble thing. Some men nowadays care about virginity (and there is nothing ‘misogynistic’ or ‘oppressive’ aboutthat, to comment on the typically help opinion), but others (and women, of course) who do not care are not any lesser. I just hope they comfortable kissing lips that may have been around another man’s cock, or going where other men have gone before, and that she will most likely compare him to previous partners.
As for having sex outside of getting pregnant, I mentioned that several times. The only bad thing about that is when people break up over lack of sex, calling a relationship that once had sex in it ‘sexless’ and ‘miserable’. Regardless of the reasons, it’s still a pretty shallow parting reason.
Yes, and she wanted kids, she had sex for that, and she was happy that I thought the same (again, she let me have my own views). Like most children I take after her in ways I did not even realize, as in, you have similar habits or personality traits. Also, not to mention, that was twenty years ago (my brother is a year younger).
Oh, I know my hands are clean. That’s when OCD is a good thing. Just because it’s my genitals does not make what comes out of there any less disgusting, no matter how normal it is.
It’s basically prostitution. You would never see a man doing that. Most men don’t resort to seeing their bodies when they are desperate.
Well off? I’m on benefits, and there are only two people in this house, and we don’t exactly use a lot of electricity (it’s my brother who have to five things on at once). Just because I’m disabled, or in the working class, does not mean I cannot have fun, or a life. It’s those kinds of reasons why the government have cut benefits and forced so many disabled people into jobs they can’t do, implying that actual disability is being a joyless, home-bound shell. But that’s another story.
Sure I’m not poor, but I’m not well off either. In regards to money we’re…average. And I give money to those who are actually poor, and wish I could help out in person. I’m hoping to find a project here I can help with. I applied for several overseas over two or so years as I was preparing to leave school, but I was refused on account of my disabilities (and age, because, you know, you have to be a certain age to want to help people), and the ones here are not much better.
And if the situation ever got that dire, I’d rather work in the sewers than become a prostitute, and you can imagine such thing that could affect me in the hygiene obsessive department. Or I would rather die than give my body away.
But I’m not a non-virgin, and I would have put myself in a position to be taken advantage of. Yes, it is entirely the attacker’s fault for the crime, but it is still our duty to keep ourselves aware, and not inhibit our senses and minds. One chooses to get drunk. One chooses to walk the night streets alone. One chooses to wear clothing (much as it is their choice) meant to display the body sexuality and in a public place. It is called responsibly and self-awareness. Indeed you can do all this and still end up victimized, but it far reduces your chances (after all, most rapes do happen by someone the person knows…you need to be careful with who you befriend too, such as I do). Who do you think someone is going to more likely to attack? – the sober person who is accompanied by someone else, or the drunk idiot stumbling around?
No, I am not seeing ‘rape’ at all. I know what rape is. In fact, rape used to be defined as the violation of a chaste woman. It’s good that, at least in most countries, it is gender neutral (though in the UK, the law basically stated that women could not rape until 2012), but now there is this extra crap to account for the looser morals action of modern people).
I have a soul. I’ve shown plenty of times the things I care about, the things I fight for, that I care for moral and political issues. I am not some heartless beast because of this one opinon people have a problem with. I’m not a racist, a homophobe, a fascist, anti-Semitic, anti-atheist, and so on. I support what and accept what most mornder, good people support.
Yes, but it is not ‘bigotry’ to state that there is a biological difference between men and women.
But you can’t get over all weaknesses, no matter how hard you try. Everyone has flaws. I know there are some flaws I can never get rid of, so I focus on what I do well, what I feel is and have been told is good about me. It’s better than me being miserable or angsting about how ‘useless’, or ‘worthless’ I am.
They call those people names. It’s only fair, if immature, to return the behaviour. If you were being bullied, would you say it is stupid if someone says that you fighting back, doing the same thing, is bad? I’m not some little wimp or doormat. I give back what people send out.
Oh, good.
Fair enough, it’s what I do as well, I would think.
Again, it’s the attitudes as I’ve said. People are free to whatever they want in their lives, but something that is choice can and will be judged. I am judged for my hobbies.
No, no, that is a point. Yes, one would feel liberated, but surely you get annoyed at those who are all “I’m gay and proud, bitches!”. A better attitude would to just be happy that is no longer hated by most of the world, and don’t make a big deal out of it unless there was homophobia. I only say about myself being asexual/biromantic on topics related to sex. I would expect others to be annoyed if I waltzed around the streets proclaiming it to everyone I see.
I mentioned the contraceptives. It is when a woman who claims her ‘jilling off’ (heh, I see what you did there) claims they are still a virgin, or ‘liberated’ when it is a sexual activity.
“Yes, but I would not be a hypocrite by calling it such.”
And you wouldn’t complain about it happening to you?
“Well, for me, when it is selfishness that can be easily avoided, then it is still an issue. We all can be selfish, it’s in our genes after all. Some just choose to do it more than others.”
While the latter is true the former has never been an issue with me. That might just be me though.
“No, it’s just when they claim to be ‘feminist’ and ‘free’ when they are willing putting themselves into a submissive position, as natural as it is..”
What if they’re not even bothering with the feminist label?
“Even if thet are dominant mentally (E.g. being the one to take charge in trouble situations or being authoritative), they still have that one area. However, unlike what most people think, that does not mean I judge women entirely on virginity, or think all non-virgins are horrible. For example, biological mothers are non-virgins, most married women are non-virgins, most lesbians are non-virgins”
That does sound better in comparison to what you’ve said before
“Yes, but they(especially if male) are insulted and shamed for that, as I’m guessing this a quip about that.”
No, and neither men nor woman should be shamed for it. This doesn’t stop them complaining about it though despite the fact that most people know enough to not care (aka wizards). There are plenty though that don’t (seem to) give a damn if they’re a virgin though.
“Yes, that is true. If I did not say that before, that is true.”
Ah okay.
“I know, I’m just showing the way she is basically acting, regardless of her thoughts. It is not ‘gross’ as she is already a sexual being, as I said.”
Just because she became sexually active doesn’t negate her feeling of disgust when she gets raped. She would just be as disgusted as you would if some creep had his way with her.
Edit: So you see rape victims as little snots who are hypocrites for saying no? Should people see you the same way when you say no?
“So you’re saying you can violate a woman’s hand or mouth, even though she already have sex with that person/is comfortable with having another man’s sexual organ inside her, which is basically touching it? Pfft. “
Uh, actually yeah. In fact, it could be her own boyfriend/ husband who she had sex with before that who rapes her. And it’s STILL WRONG. Whether it’s vaginal or using some other body part, it’s STILL WRONG.
“Next you’ll say you believe that bullshit that a woman being ‘tricked’ into having sex was ‘raped’ (she fell for the lie, she choose to have that sex, she consented, and a man in particular cannot ‘use’ a woman, as she choose to let him in).”
It’s not bullshit. Coercion is coercion, whether by force or by deception. Same with men. Who said she chose? What if she was drugged? Coerced because if she didn’t he’d harm someone she loved, or something she valued, not necessarily her? What if she was mentally disabled and didn’t know any better? Don’t knock people claiming being tricked into it; it could happen to you if you’re not careful.
“Well, then, as I said to her, metaphor or not, it is simply not the same. Eating a cake (or to put in more perspective, kissing someone) is not making an irreversible choice (not even that insane ‘hymen surgery’ counts, though I’m not suprized some people think the hymen still means virginity or not, it can be broken by something as simple as your period). I’m happy to kiss my mother (you’re never too old) and my boyfriend, but that does not mean I would be happy with some random person kissing me. I’ve even hugged strangers despite the germ-related part of my OCD (I know the real name, but I can’t remember it right now) and it was only in very specific circumstances – being at a con, and said people had those ‘free hugs’ signs. Besides, who doesn’t like a nice hug?”
There shouldn’t be anything wrong with a hug, yeah.
But it’s not so much the reversibility that should be taken into account, but the harm it does. Rape is harmful, losing virginity under your own choice is not.
“However, the suffering is of course real, and one should be helped to get past that, but it is still hypocritical to be like that.”
It shouldn’t be.
“Yes, that is true, but the thing is, they still want to go and get an abortion, even though they know that no matter what kind of contraception it is, no matter how many different types you use, there is always that chance, that small chance, that woman will become pregnant. That is where the selfishness, the barbarism comes in.”
That’s rather harsh to judge someone on that small chance. They’re doing their best to stop the abortion happening (and also, just because someone is using contraceptives doesn’t necessarily mean they WILL get an abortion if it fails). If nothing happens, and no abortion occurs, why would it be wrong?
“Well, while I feel it is cruel, I read up on the reasons why, and that neutering can extend a male dog’s life, so I can understand. It seems as if we are denying them their natural desire to breed, but if it makes their lives happier, it’s a good thing. And it might reduce them humping stuff too. And if I was against it, that would be hypocritical, as I’m for human circumcision, as I respect it as part of another’s religion and because it has health benefits. However, I do feel that is anti-feminist/sexist, as I’m basically saying it’s ok to…I’m not sure if ‘mutilate’ is the right word…the body of another, as no one, unless they were sick, is for female circumcision. Then again, it comes down to the different sexual organs, I suppose.”
Yeah, mutilation is horrible. But the former helps the animals at least.
“Hm? Those are disgusting of course, but needless/selfish version of abortion are just that bit worse as that life is being taking after before they even experience the outside world and is an option. In addition, while it is still not an excuse, and should be treated as badly, but someone people have an ‘urge’, something in there that demand they kill, or someone who cannot control themselves.”
Those people need help though if they have the urge to kill someone, and need to be kept away from others at the very least.
“If you are referring to my birth, yes, it does have an effect, as it means that I am one of those people whose mother was told (or thought herself) that I would live a miserable life and I proved them wrong. A secondary school friend weighed two ounces less than me, and has far poorer eyesight (but that is all she had in regards to medical conditions), and she is now in college. Sure, I’m not completely independent, as I said, but I know I’ll have to be one day. I’m still happy with my life at the moment. I’m still trying to contribute to society. However, my main reason is because we were once that life, and that everyone is entitled to a life unless they have committed some irredeemable crime (for me, it is murder, rape, child or animal abuse), and no one has the right to dictate who lives and who dies. Such a thing makes existence itself something punishable.”
Yep, focused on your success story. Being a pro-lifer is irritating, but not wrong. When you can’t see someone getting raped because you’re busy being worried a non-existent baby might die, there’s the problem.
“True, true. And there are some monks who can take a kick in the balls (or several) and are not even fazed: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js_3bI…@ either they have an incredible amount of strength to hide their pain, or their training has affected their bodies to withstand such a thing.”
That’s interesting
“Again, because of the biology.”
Oh?
“Yes, I know, I’ll end up dying alone if ever I wanted to seek out a new partner if my current relationship goes down the plughole. I just need to hope that never happens. I know people say this a lot, but he’s the best I could have, and I wouldnot want to be with anyone else.”
Okay
“As I said, some people just don’t care, and that is a noble thing. Some men nowadays care about virginity (and there is nothing ‘misogynistic’ or ‘oppressive’ aboutthat, to comment on the typically help opinion), but others (and women, of course) who do not care are not any lesser. I just hope they comfortable kissing lips that may have been around another man’s cock, or going where other men have gone before, and that she will most likely compare him to previous partners.”
And what if the partner doesn’t care at all?
“As for having sex outside of getting pregnant, I mentioned that several times. The only bad thing about that is when people break up over lack of sex, calling a relationship that once had sex in it ‘sexless’ and ‘miserable’. Regardless of the reasons, it’s still a pretty shallow parting reason.”
The sex lives of people are strange and complex. We’re both virgins, I for one can’t judge.
“Yes, and she wanted kids, she had sex for that, and she was happy that I thought the same (again, she let me have my own views). Like most children I take after her in ways I did not even realize, as in, you have similar habits or personality traits. Also, not to mention, that was twenty years ago (my brother is a year younger).”
Doesn’t mean she didn’t touch cock, no matter what the reason behind doing it was.
“Oh, I know my hands are clean. That’s when OCD is a good thing. Just because it’s my genitals does not make what comes out of there any less disgusting, no matter how normal it is.”
So why knock it when someone touches someone else’s genitals?
“It’s basically prostitution. You would never see a man doing that. Most men don’t resort to seeing their bodies when they are desperate. “
You’ve never heard of a male prostitute? They exist. (Okay I haven’t exactly met one, but I see them on TV).
“Well off? I’m on benefits, and there are only two people in this house, and we don’t exactly use a lot of electricity (it’s my brother who have to five things on at once). Just because I’m disabled, or in the working class, does not mean I cannot have fun, or a life. It’s those kinds of reasons why the government have cut benefits and forced so many disabled people into jobs they can’t do, implying that actual disability is being a joyless, home-bound shell. But that’s another story. Sure I’m not poor, but I’m not well off either. In regards to money we’re…average. And I give money to those who are actually poor, and wish I could help out in person. I’m hoping to find a project here I can help with. I applied for several overseas over two or so years as I was preparing to leave school, but I was refused on account of my disabilities (and age, because, you know, you have to be a certain age to want to help people), and the ones here are not much better.”
No, you’re not living in a mansion, I know that, but considering you have a roof over your head and food on your table, compared to others you’re loaded. Some people would do anything to get those things (or perhaps they’re just money hungry, who knows?)
“And if the situation ever got that dire, I’d rather work in the sewers than become a prostitute, and you can imagine such thing that could affect me in the hygiene obsessive department. Or I would rather die than give my body away.”
Not everyone is as proud as you.
Edit the second: Why do see "giving your body away" as so horrible that you'd rather die (putting aside things like prostitution in dire times)? I've seen you mention it elsewhere that you would rather die than have sex. The only reason so far you gave is that it might lead to a pregnancy, and if that doesn't happen, why is it so bad? Oh yeah, or you might be someone you'd feel the need to insult. Is being one of the "bad girls" such a traumatising experience for you? Why? People aren't so bad on the other side, and you wouldn't be a bad person if you went ahead and had sex.
“But I’m not a non-virgin, and I would have put myself in a position to be taken advantage of. Yes, it is entirely the attacker’s fault for the crime, but it is still our duty to keep ourselves aware, and not inhibit our senses and minds. One chooses to get drunk. One chooses to walk the night streets alone. One chooses to wear clothing (much as it is their choice) meant to display the body sexuality and in a public place. It is called responsibly and self-awareness. Indeed you can do all this and still end up victimized, but it far reduces your chances (after all, most rapes do happen by someone the person knows…you need to be careful with who you befriend too, such as I do). Who do you think someone is going to more likely to attack? – the sober person who is accompanied by someone else, or the drunk idiot stumbling around?”
I had no idea going home after working night-shift was an invitation to rape. And if dressing lightly is as well, you should go out and tell all the men who go around shirtless. Guess those guys are asking for it, huh? Maybe you too, after all what is seen as sexual or not is all in perspective. You’re not stuck at home, wearing a hijab, to Islamic extremists, that makes you a whore. Maybe you should start wearing a hijab to reduce your chances of getting raped, otherwise YOU’RE CHOOSING to get raped (and they are, at least here, the ones who do the raping most usually; Islamic extremists). If you want responsibility and self-awareness go out and join those extremist then and wear a hijab. Until then, you’re just as irresponsible, hypocritical, and asking for it as much as the rest of us.
“No, I am not seeing ‘rape’ at all. I know what rape is.”
An oxymoron then. If you don’t see that someone, whether they are virgin or not, is getting sexually abused as rape, then no, you don’t know what rape is.
“ In fact, rape used to be defined as the violation of a chaste woman. It’s good that, at least in most countries, it is gender neutral (though in the UK, the law basically stated that women could not rape until 2012), but now there is this extra crap to account for the looser morals action of modern people).”
It should be gender neutral. But the latter is not crap. Rape is rape. No means no.
“I have a soul. I’ve shown plenty of times the things I care about, the things I fight for, that I care for moral and political issues. I am not some heartless beast because of this one opinon people have a problem with. I’m a racist, a homophobe, a fascist, anti-Semitic, anti-atheist, and so on.”
You’re risking it though. Like you said, you don’t see a non-virgin woman getting sexually abused as rape. This is wrong.
“Yes, but it is not ‘bigotry’ to state that there is a biological difference between men and women.”
Biological difference is one thing. I could point out black people are biologically different (they do have more melamine for example) but to say black people can’t be raped based on this or anything else would be bigoted. What you are doing is bigotry.
“But you can’t get over all weaknesses, no matter how hard you try. Everyone has flaws. I know there are some flaws I can never get rid of, so I focus on what I do well, what I feel is and have been told is good about me. It’s better than me being miserable or angsting about how ‘useless’, or ‘worthless’ I am.”
This is true, but the right thing to do is try to improve yourself as best as you can. I’m not asking you to magically become someone who isn’t almost blind. I’m asking you to consider your mental perspective of things. This is not an impossible thing to do.
“They call those people names. It’s only fair, if immature, to return the behaviour. If you were being bullied, would you say it is stupid if someone says that you fighting back, doing the same thing, is bad? I’m not some little wimp or doormat. I give back what people send out.”
If that is what you want. It is sinking to their level though.
“Fair enough, it’s what I do as well, I would think.”
I try to do the right thing.
“Again, it’s the attitudes as I’ve said. People are free to whatever they want in their lives, but something that is choice can and will be judged. I am judged for my hobbies.”
Those people are idiots though. I don’t like FMA or whatever you’re into, but I’m not going to go on about that.
“No, no, that is a point. Yes, one would feel liberated, but surely you get annoyed at those who are all “I’m gay and proud, bitches!”. A better attitude would to just be happy that is no longer hated by most of the world, and don’t make a big deal out of it unless there was homophobia. I only say about myself being asexual/biromantic on topics related to sex. I would expect others to be annoyed if I waltzed around the streets proclaiming it to everyone I see.”
Umm, you kind of did that on a lot of places online already.
“I mentioned the contraceptives. It is when a woman who claims her ‘jilling off’ (heh, I see what you did there) claims they are still a virgin, or ‘liberated’ when it is a sexual activity.”
Technically it they're still a virgin, considering the current definition of a virgin.
“It’s still unacceptable.”
A small hit is nothing, yet you are upset about this while shrugging of a woman getting raped. You are a strange one.
Indeed. Everyone is free to think what will, but that does not stop some attitudes from having selfish/hypocritical connotations.
Then fair enough. They are not pretending to be what they are not. It’s not suprizing many do not identify as such, given the blatant misandry, double standards and the ‘any negative attitude towards women is sexist and misogynist, and everyone bad that happens to them is someone else’s fault’ that exists within it, and are the majority nowadays. That’s not to say the opposite side (the MRA/MRM) does not have it’s insane/idiotic, misogynistic members. Some even wholly believe that women were never oppressed in the first place, and that being denied the ability to vote did not count because plenty of men did not have it and they were ‘just handed it’. Moreover, they claim the inability to own homes, and land, or get a decent job were ‘provision and protection’ and that arranged marriage is ‘providing a woman with money and a house for life’. I once encountered one of those in person (well, as ‘in person’ as a comments section can be) when I pointed out the arranged wives are often raped, he came out with the typical quip of ‘yeah, because all men will rape any time they get the chance’.
Only Humanists/Equalists seem to have the most sane, calm members (I mean that, while the insane MRAs in the minority, they still most likely outnumber those in the latter titles).
Well, thanks (I mean about you not making a snarky comment). Well, if they are shamed for being a virgin, they have every right to complain, but if it is more the attitude of “Why don’t people want to have sex with me?!” or “I need to get laid or I’m a loser who fails at life!” (though that is more other people’s attitudes), then yeah, they should be shamed for that.
Yes it does. I’ve never done anything sexual. I haven’t done those things previously.
As for the edit, again, I haven’t done anything sexual, and there is nothing wrong with respecting one’s virginity (or being asexual – i.e. not being interesting in or having the desire to have sex, or lack of a sexual attraction to anyone). I’m just doing what is natural. Maybe if I had lust and did have sex, then I would be pompous and two faced for refusing this one man/these men out of the others I may have been with. Modern Feminism/Femifascism has led to women thinking they can do whatever they want and no one can say otherwise, even though that’s not how life works. As it is has been said more than a few times, women can’t have it both ways.
No. Marriage is giving one’s body to their partner. Both partners. Ok, if she was too tired, and her partner (male or female) went ahead and still did that, that would a be a very selfish action, but they are married, and she has been with them sexually before.
Marriage is a partnership. You love each other. You listen to each other. If she was a virgin and was not ready, that is rape regardless of the marriage. The same goes if the genders were reversed. Some countries still don’t seem to understand that marriage does not mean you must get it or the marriage is invalid. In England, refusing to consummate a marriage (from either gender) is grounds for divorce Do they not understand the kinds of actions that can lead too?
And when it is a man, she has been penetrated vaginally, so the hands or mouth are nothing compared to that.
No, that’s bullshit. Once more, rape is not simply rape anymore. We now have to include the idiots that put themselves at risk of some sick beast, and the hypocrites. Being drugged or threatened is not you putting yourself at in a vulnerable position. Especially when it is your family is being threatened. If someone waved around money and walked home on their own, surely they put themselves in a position to be mugged, even though the actual crime is the fault of the criminal? That is real life. Criminals will attack those who look like an easy target.
It is not ‘force’ because it was the other woman who fell for it like an idiot. Being mentally disabled would be different. She would not know any better. A woman with full control of her mind or even the slightest hint of intelligence would not fall for such a thing, regardless of whether she is a naturally gullible person or not. Once more, this is a way to excuse women of their responsibility as equal citizens and blame and shame men yet more.
As I said, it is not the taking of virginity when I think raping a virgin (again, there is little no difference between a virgin and non-virgin man unless he the bottom in homosexual intercourse, but unlike men and women, two men and two women can swap that dynamic easily) is disgusting, sick, other negative expressions, is because that non-sexual woman is having something sexual (yes, she most likely will be planning to sex at some point, but she has yet to do it), something she is not a part of, being forced upon her. Just as say, a vegetarian would feel violated if meat was forced upon then, or if a Muslin had alcohol forced upon them. Why is that so hard to understand?
Ok.
No, you read me wrongly. I know perfectly well about Gigolos. And the ignored fact that plenty of boys are forced in sex trafficking. I was just saying that not as many men resort to it when they are desperate. For women, it is seem as natural, and the best choice, but men? No, there are things they can do. It is only the stupid women who think that is only or best option.
I know, but that choosing to lose one’s virginity for pleasure means one is being a permanent sexual being. Again, it’s like saying you won't risk getting mugged if you wave around money, much as that is your choice and there is nothing harmful about it (unless you are less well-off and find it insulting, but that is not an excuse for violence).
I know that, but again, they took that risk, as we all take risk in everything we do. Sometimes you can’t see it coming, hence why they are accidents, but taking part in a activity you know can result a certain result, and then trying to excuse that result, calling it ‘unwanted’ and ‘accidental’, especially when that is another person’s life? Sick, insane, inhumane.
That’s what I’m trying to say. There is no harm in that case unless they possess those pompous, ‘feminist’ attitudes I keep mentioning. As for when it does, see above.
Yes. And unlike humans, at least the animal is asleep during it. I mean yes, we don’t remember our infancy, and there is the benefits, but it’s the thought, that these so very young boys have had a sharp object placed at their genitals. And in some female version, sometimes they don’t just cut off the labia/clitoris, they take away everything on the outside. And of course, ther is no sanitation or pain relief. Just recently I read that as well as the usual broken glass, sometimes fingernails are used. And of course, it has no heath benefits whatsoever, and, most likely because it is where they were raised, women still accept it as a necessary and normal part of their life.
Of course. But people are too lenient now. I know it is cruel thing to say, but mental conditions are not an excuse for ruining another person’s life. And imagine how their loved ones would feel, nothing that victim did not get justice.
No. I said numerous times why it is wrong. If murdering a child just born is murder, then murdering that life when it is still inside you is wrong as well. There is no ‘measure’ of life. Life is life, until they forfeit it by (again) destroying the life one of someone or some being else. So it is ‘irritating’ to care for all innocent life equality, to want true equality, to want to give everyone a chance regardless of their situation, to not have willing fathers ignored and belittled? Well, at least, unlike most pro-choicers (the choice, once more, was to have sex), you did not stereotype me as being some bible-thumping loon. And even if someone opposes it on religious grounds, I feel there is nothing wrong with that either. People are entitled to their beliefs. I even say the same for homophobes, and the arsehole brand of atheism, as plenty of people will share their beliefs about them The extreme ones need to be ignored.
Yup.
I said it before. Because of the way women and men work, etc, etc.
I’m just saying I’m resigned to that.
Again, that is good. They feel the way they feel and have a right to it.
Yes, I know, but yes, just like you, I’ve never been in a sexual relationship, so perhaps, I guess I can it put like…well, Matt and I always have and always had such long, interesting or strange conversations, and if that suddenly stopped or never happened, I would feel like the relationship is not working out, and we could end up drifting apart, so one may feel that, if the sex is missing, it is not a full relationship. While that is still very shallow, it has the same reasoning behind it, I would think.
Yes, but the difference is, she did not for completely natural reasons. She did not show any selfishness or think she was better because of it, because, as you said, it’s still sex, even though it was the pregnancy she desired. Besides, even though I wasn’t (much as mum wanted it to be that way), any child born the natural way has touched their mum’s vagina.
As it is someone else’s. You don’t know where they’ve been, what they’ve done. Would you drink from a straw someone else had used?
Well, actually, that is what I say too. So long as one had a good house over there head and food in their belly, or food to spare, I think we should be happy. Of course, though, humans are more complicated than that.
And? Their choice.
Because I myself am uncomfortable with the idea. And even if you are comfortable with, are a very sexual, as the penetrated party, it is that no matter what. She is ‘giving herself’ to another. Even if those two break up or it is one night stand, that person still has that. A woman is not ‘free’ of that person simply because she stopped sleeping with them, virgin when she started or not. They still have the fact that she gave herself to them, that she did have sex with them.
It is not ‘traumatizing’. I’m simply happy I’m not part of that group. As it natural for an asexual (though there are other forms), I am uncomfortable with the idea of sex, or sexual activity. I don’t need to ‘try it’ in order to know that I don’t like it.
I am not saying it is a ‘bad’ thing, but that that is just the way it works.
I did not say it was an ‘invitation’. I said it is putting oneself at risk. And if you are alone, one has to be weary. I’m not one of those people who are all “It’ll never happen me!” people.
And there is a difference between dressing lightly, and mini skirt or low cut top/boob tube, and then having the cheek to complain when someone else admires (not ‘objectifies’, as you are a person, a sexual person not a character on a screen) your body. Even in school, even when their skirts were unbelievably tiny, they still wore tights and kept it relatively modest. And if someone is so ‘proud of their body’, they have even less right to complain, especially when it is just words, or a look. I knew you would mention shirtless men. Nudity itself is sexual, however it is the way the nudity is framed or displayed. For example, if said hypothetical man had on a gimp mask and leech.
I’m not immune from judgement upon my hobbies/clothing, either, remember? However, with me always wearing decent clothes and being a virgin, I have a right to complain about such a thing as I am not a part of that group.
Yes, and that is a terrible attitude. They take modestly way, way too far, and act if as a woman cannot have any fun outside the home or she is putting herself at risk. My (and the reasoning most so called ‘victim-blamers’, such as that police officer who sparked the SlutWalk horseshite), is valid is not doing any harm, as they are words on someone’s choice, views make sense instead of being oppressive.
No, it’s an oxymoron (yes, I know what that is) to say that a sexual woman is getting ‘assaulted’ when she has nothing to lose.
Of course. No means no when it actually is no, and not some two-faced missy kidding on she has better standards.
I don’t care if others think it is wrong. They take that over all of my other beliefs, making it out that that is all I am. I have other subjects in my life, other pursuits. They are putting me in a box as much as I am to them.
No, it’s not, because being black is not a choice. Having sex is.
I do, but I just can’t see it any other way in regards to that topic. Even the cake analogy much as I understood it (that just because someone enjoys doing something, it does not make it okay for another person to make them do it), however, again, that is not sex, that is an irreversible choice. Just because I’m not some sheep to bows down to misandric, hypocritical Femifascists does not make a bad person.
I know it is. But even when I try to be nice, it still does not work. I tried to be nice to my bullies too, and they still punched and kicked, and insulted and stole my inhaler and magnifier.
I am trying to do so too. But again, it’s hard when people are screaming at you. Again, I enjoy having a nice, calm debate as much as I would fawning over a mutual interest with someone. The former simply gets me thinking more. I do like to see what the other sides say, but not when they are screaming and shouting and insulting and whatnot.
Again, once sexual topics, especially when it someone saying how great they are for being sexual.
Sexually activity is sexual activity. Hardly anyone believes in the ‘technical virgin’ anyone. For example, say someone gives a blowjob, they would most likely be laughed at if they still claimed virginity.
Well, if it really was small, then ok. Even if you pissed someone off, that’s still not an excuse. No, I am not ‘shrugging off’ ‘rape’, I care about actual issues and not some lady who kids on she’s better than other non-virgins.
“Indeed. Everyone is free to think what will, but that does not stop some attitudes from having selfish/hypocritical connotations.”
If they are selfish for complaining what does that make you?
“Then fair enough. They are not pretending to be what they are not. It’s not suprizing many do not identify as such, given the blatant misandry, double standards and the ‘any negative attitude towards women is sexist and misogynist, and everyone bad that happens to them is someone else’s fault’ that exists within it, and are the majority nowadays. That’s not to say the opposite side (the MRA/MRM) does not have it’s insane/idiotic, misogynistic members. Some even wholly believe that women were never oppressed in the first place, and that being denied the ability vote did not count because plenty of men did not have it and they were ‘just handed it’. Moreover, they claim the inability to own homes, and land, or get a decent job were ‘provision’and protection’ and that arranged marriage is ‘providing a woman with money and a house for life’. I once encountered one of those in person (well, as ‘in person’ as a comments section can be) when I pointed out the arranged wives are often raped, he came out with the typical quip of ‘yeah, because all men will rape any time they get the chance’
Only Humanists/Equalists seem to have the most sane, calm members (I mean that, while the insane MRAs in the minority, they still most likely outnumber those in the latter titles).”
I do not think all “feminists” think like that. I think there’s a whole wide world out there you haven’t met and perhaps you are hung up on the ones you’ve seen so far online. I don’t know what that person was trying to imply. If they truly believe that I believe they are wrong. The might have been making a sarcastic comment though.
“Well, thanks (I mean about you not making a snarky comment). Well, if they are shamed for being a virgin, they have every right to complain, but is more the attitude of “Why don’t people want to have sex with me?!” or “I need to get liad or I’m a loser who fails at life!” (though that is more other people’s attitudes), then yeah, theyshould be shamed for that.”
Look up wizard-chan sometime and see for yourself. V9K might be interesting for you as a perspective on how “super-virgins” act towards each other.
“Yes it does. I’ve never done anything sexual. I haven’t done those things previously.”
Doesn’t mean if you do you won’t feel disgust. If you became a sexual being you would still find it disgusting if someone forced themselves on you.
“As for the edit, again, I haven’t done anything sexual, and there is nothing wrong with respecting one’s virginity (or being asexual – i.e. not being interesting in or having the desire to have sex, or lack of a sexual attraction to anyone). I’m just doing what is natural. Maybe if I had lust and did have sex, then I would be pompous and two faced for refusing this one man/these men out of the others I may have been with. Modern Feminism/Femifascism has led to women thinking they can do whatever they want and no one can say otherwise, even though that’s not how life works. As it is has been said more than a few times, women can’t have it both ways. “
Here’s the thing, you wouldn’t be two-faced or pompous because you have a right to choose. It would not be wrong for you to say no.And women can do anything they want with their bodies because it’s their right. That is how life works. You have a right that you don’t see. It’s like having a right to own your own home and because you let one guy in for a friendly cup of tea you think you don’t have a right to stop him or another guy from coming in when he’s wielding an axe. Because you don’t think women have a right to their own body, like those people some time ago think women can’t own their own home.
“No. Marriage is giving one’s body to their partner. Both partners. Ok, if she was too tired, and her partner (male or female) went ahead and still did that, that would a be a very selfish action, but they are married, and she has been with them sexually before.”
No, marriage is not giving away a person’s body. They agree to spend their lives together and look after each other. And have sex only with each other (unless you have one of those open marriages/ polygamy). And while cheating on a spouse is horrible it is far worse to hole them up and forbid them from seeing anyone because he or she thinks that they own the person. One ends a relationship. The other takes away a persons’ rights.
“Marriage is a partnership. If she was a virgin and was not ready, that is rape regardless of the marriage. The same goes if the genders were reversed. Some countries still don’t seem to understand that marriage does not mean you must get it or the marriage is invalid. In England, refusing to consummate a marriage (from either gender) is grounds for divorce. Do they not understand the kinds of actions that can lead too?”
It can lead to some bad things. But (and this is my take on it and mine alone, I could be wrong here, and probably am) it is my opinion that a relationship without sex might as well be simply a friendship. You are asexual and would probably see it different. There are marriages that work out without sex. But not everyone can be like that. And not everyone can be like me. And not everyone can be like you.
“And when it is a man, she has been penetrated vaginally, so the hands or mouth are nothing compared to that.”
Legally they have a different name (indecent assault) but forcing it on someone is still illegal and immoral. Whether they are better or worse is a moot point to me you might as well be saying it is worse to kill a person by stabbing them in the back rather than shooting them in the head. They’re both still murder, and it they’re both forms of sexual abuse.
“No, that’s bullshit. Once more, rape is not simply rape anymore. We now have to include the idiots that put themselves at risk of some sick beast, and the hypocrites. Being drugged or threatened is not you putting yourself at in a vulnerable position. Especially when it is your family is being threatened. If someone waved around money and walked home on their own, surely they put themselves in a position to be mugged, even though the actual crime is the fault of the criminal? That is real life. Criminals will attack those who look like an easy target”
If a piece of meat is left out uncovered- That’s what he says. “She should be stuck at home wearing a hijab”. You sound just like him. Do you really think women are nothing all but meat to men? I guess that’s all you are too, a covered piece of meat thinking a cat is too stupid to lift up the cover. A Shiek got kicked out of a country for comments like this. An entire country was against him. Guess how many people are against you, if they saw what you had to say about rape?
“It is not ‘force’ because it was the other woman who fell for it like an idiot. Being mentally disabled would be different. She would not know any better. A woman with full control of her mind or even the slightest hint of intelligence would not fall for such a thing, regardless of whether she is a naturally gullible person or not. Once more, this is a way to excuse women of their responsibility as equal citizens and blame and shame men yet more.”
You honestly think you or no-one you know and respect would have that happen to you/ them? Okay, say your mother decided to have sex simply to become pregnant. What if the man she was doing it with was keeping a secret; he was infertile. Wouldn’t that be wrong of him to do that to your Mother? I take it from your own hints your Mother would never agree to sex if pregnancy was not involved.
“As I said, it is not the taking of virginity when I think raping a virgin (again, there is little no difference between a virgin and non-virgin man unless he the bottom in homosexual intercourse, but unlike men and women, two men and two women can swap that dynamic easily) is disgusting, sick, other negative expressions, is because that non-sexual woman is having something sexual (yes, she most likely will be planning to sex at some point, but she has yet to do it), nothing she is a part of, being forced upon her. Just as say, a vegetarian would feel violated if meat was forced upon then, or if a Muslin had alcohol forced upon them. Why is that so hard to understand?”
No, no stop there. Imagine this situation instead; someone came along, got some dog poop, mixed in some shards of broken glass and a bit of alcohol and force fed it to both a muslim and a non-muslim. Now imagine the muslim complaining he or she was force-fed alcohol and how that alone is bad, and the non-muslim had suffered nothing at all because he or she had had alcohol in the past, TOTALLY IGNORING the pile of shit and broken glass the other person and themselves was forcefed. That is how you sound. Hello, a PIECE OF SHIT was forced down your throat. A PIECE of SHIT was forced down the other person’s throat. Do you even care? Just so long as you don’t have alcohol and just because the other person had a bit of booze.
“Ok.”
Okay.
“No, you read me wrongly. I know perfectly well about Gigolos. And the ignored fact that plenty of boys are forced in sex trafficking. I was just saying that not as many men resort to it when they are desperate. For women, it is seem as natural, and the best choice, but men? No, there are things they can do. It is only the stupid women who think that is only or best option.”
Stupid? You know what it’s like in poorer countries? Let’s see how stupid you think it is when you’re starving to death and you’d do anything for a bite to eat.
“I know, but that choosing to lose one’s virginity for pleasure means one is being a permanent sexual being. Again, it’s like saying you can get mugged if you wave around money, much as that is your choice and there is nothing harmful about it (unless you are less well-off and find it insulting, but that is not an excuse for violence). “
Nobody cares if someone’s a sexual permanent being. Why? Because that’s what the majority of the human race is.
“I know that, but again, they took that risk, as we all take risk in everything we do. Sometimes you can’t see coming, hence why they are accidents, but taking apart in a activity you know can result a certain result, and then trying to excuse that result, calling it ‘unwanted’ and ‘accidental’, especially when that is another person’s life? Sick, insane, inhumane.”
There’s kind of a low success rate of that result happening at all with contraceptives. It’s like saying “a plane as a 0.0001% chance of crashing” “aha that means they can already see that the plane WILL crash. They are responsible for taking their family onto that death carriage!”
As for those who call it unwanted or accidental can’t really speak for them. It’s still not technically a life from my point of view (there’s no brain yet). But you see it different.
“That’s what I’m trying to say. There is no harm in that case unless they possess those pompous, ‘feminist’ attitudes I keep mentioning. As for when it does, see above.”
I think you need to meet more people.
“Yes. And unlike humans, at least the animal is asleep during it. I mean yes, we don’t remember our infancy, and there is the benefits, but it’s the thought, that this these so very young boys have had a sharp object placed at their genitals. And in some female version, sometimes they don’t just cut off the labia/clitoris, they take away everything on the outside. And of course, ther is no sanitation or pain relief. Just recently I read that as well as the usual broken glass, sometimes fingernails are used. And of course, it has no heath benefits whatsoever, and, most likely because it is where they were raised, women still accept it as a necessary and normal part of their life.”
Yep, things like that are barbaric. Things like that should be stopped.
“Of course. But people are too lenient now. I know it is cruel thing to say, but mental conditions are not an excuse for ruining another person’s life. And imagine how their loved ones would feel, nothing that victim did not get justice.”
Exactly.
“No. I said numerous times why it is wrong. If murdering a child just born is murder, then murdering that life when it is still inside you is wrong as well. There is no ‘measure’ of life. Life is life, until they forfeit it by (again) destroying the life one of someone or some being else. So it is ‘irritating’ to care for all innocent life equality, to want true equality, to want to give everyone a chance regardless of their situation, to not have willing fathers ignored and belittled? Well, at least, unlike most pro-choicers (the choice, once more, was to have sex), you did not stereotype me as being some bible-thumping loon. And even if someone opposes it on religious grounds, I feel there is nothing wrong with that either. People are entitled to their beliefs. I even say the same for homophobes, and the arsehole brand of atheism, as plenty of people will share their beliefs about them The extreme ones need to be ignored.”
What you qualify as life is different from what others qualify as life. The argument goes on. If you feel so strongly about abortion there are some nice sites I can show you where it gets debated where there are people who feel as strongly about it as you.
“I’m just saying I’m resigned to that.”
Okay
“Again, that is good. They feel the way they feel and have a right to it.”
Indeed they do.
“Yes, I know, but yes, just like you, I’ve never been in a sexual relationship, so perhaps, I guess I can it put like…well, Matt and I always have and always had such long, interesting or strange conversations, and if that suddenly stopped or never happened, I would feel like the relationship is not working out, and we could end up drifting apart, so one may feel that, if the sex is missing, it is not a full relationship. While that is still very shallow, it has the same reasoning behind it, I would think.”
It might. Each relationship is different though.
“Yes, but the difference is, she did not for completely natural reasons. She did not show any selfishness or think she was better because of it, because, as you said, it’s still sex, even though it was the pregnancy she desired. Besides, even though I wasn’t (much as mum wanted it to be that way), any child born the natural way has touched their mum’s vagina.”
Is your Mother asexual too?
“As it is someone else’s. You don’t know where they’ve been, what they’ve done. Would you drink from a straw someone else had used?”
I would and have already done so.
“Well, actually, that is what I say too. So long as one had a good house over there head and food in their belly, or food to spare, I think we should be happy. Of course, though, humans are more complicated than that.”
This is true.
“And? Their choice.”
Indeed.
“Because I myself am uncomfortable with the idea. And even if you are comfortable with, are a very sexual, as the penetrated party, it is that no matter what. She is ‘giving herself’ to another. Even if those two break up or it is one night stand, that person still has that. A woman is not ‘free’ of that person simply because she stopped sleeping with them, virgin when she started or not. They still have the fact that she gave herself to them, that she did have sex with them. “
Here’s the thing, when a one-night stand happens, the two go away, they (usually) never meet again. EVER. The man is completely gone from the woman’s life and vice-versa, and cannot in anyway control her if he’s out of her life. If he or she got knocked on the head and got amnesia, the whole sex act might as well of never happened. And if neither of them care, again, it might as well not of happened. This doesn’t make her a virgin. But it’s something that’s mostly mental (putting aside the hymen stuff) and stays in the mind. You seem to be uncomfortable because you fear the idea of a man (or woman) being able to control you or looking submissive, am I right? Or do you think that one event will haunt you for the rest of your days?
“It is not ‘traumatizing’. I’m simply happy I’m not part of that group. As it natural for an asexual (though there are other forms), I am uncomfortable with the idea of sex, or sexual activity. I don’t need to ‘try it’ in order to know that I don’t like it. I am not saying it is a ‘bad’ thing, but that that is just the way it works.”
I see. Homophobic people are happy they’re not part of the LGBT movement. They’d rather die, in fact. In fact, I met someone really against gay people once who said she’d rather die than be like them. There’s the usual discomfort of a strait person, and you feel discomfort, fine. But considering how vocal you’ve been about non-virgins already, well…. In the case of the girl I mentioned, you can kind of expect lesbians everywhere trying to get under her skin.
“I did not say it was an ‘invitation’. I said it is putting oneself at risk. And if you are alone, one has to be weary. I’m not one of those people who are all “It’ll never happen me!” people.”
A lot of people live alone. They get by just fine. Not saying it’ll never happen to them either though.
“And there is a difference between dressing lightly, and mini skirt or low cut top/boob tube, and then having the cheek to complain when someone else admires (not ‘objectifies’, as you are a person, a sexual person not a character on a screen) your body. Even in school, even when their skirts were unbelievably tiny, they still wore tights and kept it relatively modest. And if someone is so ‘proud of their body’, they have even less right to complain, especially when it is just words, or a look. I knew you would mention shirtless men. Nudity itself is sexual, however it is the way the nudity is framed or displayed. For example, if said hypothetical man had on a gimp mask and leech.”
We are not talking about a gimp mask, or people simply admiring. Or at least I am not. Saying a woman who wears a boob-tube and a miniskirt has no right to complain when a man harasses her or rapes her is like saying a man who takes a shirt off on a hot day or dresses nicely when he goes out has no right to complain when a woman harasses him or rapes him. Boob-tube or miniskirt is the equivalent of a man in a singlet or shorts, or wearing a nice suit when he goes out. So he looks sexy in that jacket. This isn’t asking for it. I’m not going to be a bitch and harass him or anything worse. What gives men or anyone a right to then?
“I’m not immune from judgement upon my hobbies/clothing, either, remember? However, with me always wearing decent clothes and being a virgin, I have a right to complain about such a thing as I am not a part of that group.”
I guess Islamic extremists have the right to complain about you not wearing a hijab then.
“Yes, and that is a terrible attitude. They take modestly way, way too far, and act if as a woman cannot have any fun outside the home or she is putting herself at risk. My (and the reasoning most so called ‘victim-blamers’, such as that police officer who sparked the SlutWalk horseshite), is valid is not doing any harm, as they are words on someone’s choice, views make sense instead of being oppressive.”
Funny, that’s how I see you; taking modesty way, way too far and act as if a woman cannot have any fun.
“No, it’s an oxymoron (yes, I know what that is) to say that a sexual woman is getting ‘assaulted’ when she has nothing to lose.”
You have nothing to lose either, as you are no different from her. If she has nothing to lose, neither do you, except some belief of whether you’re a virgin or not. To me that amounts to nothing. So you have nothing to lose.
“Of course. No means no when it actually is no, and not some two-faced missy kidding on she has better standards.”
Like you have better standards?
“I don’t care if others think it is wrong. They take that over all of my other beliefs, making it out that that is all I am. I have other subjects in my life, other pursuits. They are putting me in a box as much as I am to them.”
Hey, Hitler was nice to his pets. They took his killing of Jews over all his other beliefs. He had other pursuits too. How dare they put him in a box.
“No, it’s not, because being black is not a choice. Having sex is. “
Just like having homosexual sex is a choice? Like what the gay-haters say?
“I do, but I just can’t see it any other way in regards to that topic. Even the cake analogy much as I understood it (that just because someone enjoys doing something, it does not make it okay for another person to make them do it), however, again, that is not sex, that is an irreversible choice. Just because I’m not some sheep to bows down to misandric, hypocritical Femifascists does not make a bad person.”
It’s because you see what is moral and right as misandric and hypocritical. You see what other people as doing the right thing as being sheep. That makes you a bad person. Until you understand that sexual abuse of ANYONE as wrong, you are a bad person.
“I know it is. But even when I try to be nice, it still does not work. I tried to be nice to my bullies too, and they still punched and kicked, and insulted and stole my inhaler and magnifier.”
I feel bad for you.
But what are you going to do? Descend into hatred against them?
“I am trying to do so too. But again, it’s hard when people are screaming at you. Again, I enjoy having a nice, calm debate as much as I would fawning over a mutual interest with someone. The former simply gets me thinking more. I do like to see what the other sides say, but not when they are screaming and shouting and insulting and whatnot.”
Like when you got bashed and had your inhaler stolen etc, they lash out at you because to them you’re on the side of those people who assault others. They see you like you saw your attackers.
“Again, once sexual topics, especially when it someone saying how great they are for being sexual.”
The places you’ve been at that I’ve seen isn’t people who say “hurr durr I got laid I’m more awesome than you”, is it?
“Sexually activity is sexual activity. Hardly anyone believes in the ‘technical virgin’ anyone. For example, say someone gives a blowjob, they would most likely be laughed at if they still claimed virginity.”
That’s odd, no-one I ever met has said anything like that, both online and IRL. Unless you count wizard-chan.
“Well, if it really was small, then ok. Even if you pissed someone off, that’s still not an excuse. No, I am not ‘shrugging off’ ‘rape’, I care about actual issues and not some lady who kids on she’s better than other non-virgins.”
The same as them, though at least I have better reasons.
Well, I’ve seen their protests in the streets, but in my city, we don’t get much of that bullshit, the woman screaming and chanting on the streets. The only thing close to could be the Republican (the Irish variety) and Orange Order marches, and even when they have a speaker, they do not demand everyone listen and curse at anyone who disagrees with their speech. Even aboard I never say of that, even in America. Maybe I’m just unlucky in that regard.
Oh, how I wish there were sarcastic. They were very serious. Again, minority as they are, there are plenty of them. The one I encountered is Razlo5000 on youtube, but they are everywhere. He is…quite the something.
Ok then, I will. By that name, I’m getting the feeling they come from 4chan.
Edit: Oh, wait’s it’s a board…okay…let’s see…
But I’m not. And even if I did, it would only be to have a baby anyway, if I ever did. I’d still be uncomfortable with having to do it, but I would not do something like Invetro when I am perfectly capable of producing a child physically. I would not be a hypocrite, though, as I would be married, and would be having that sex for getting pregnant (yes, I know that pregnancy does not happen everyone time a man and woman have sex). I would not be saying this one man is an expectation when I am perfectly happy to seek out sexual partners for pleasure, to have premarital sex.
They shared their bodies. They are not ‘choosing’, but thinking themselves better, regardless of attraction. They are acting as if this particular person does not deserve their already sexual form, acting like they are special. They have a right to their bodies, just not to be hypocrites when they have already flung themselves at men or other women.
Once again, that is not sex. Letting this one person in my home does not turn me into some gullible idiot who lets anyone in, but having sex makes you a sexual being forever.
That is what I meant. It is the union of those two bodies, and soppy as this is, minds. They are partners. Refusing to be a good partner, to provide them with what you are happy to provide them with, is selfish. Well, again, unless that woman was a virgin when she married him, he cannot ‘cheat’, as again, he would not be the one allowing someone of the opposite gender inside him, to take him, to taint the relationship. However, of course I agree on the second part. Regardless of gender, of course, these people are arseholes, in that they refuse to let their partners so much as look at someone of the opposite/same sex (I guess bisexuals can’t look at anyone, with that logic). I think that being attracted to other people outside of marriage is bad on either person, but I still accept that is natural and so long as they don’t do anything, it’s harmless. I would hope most people do. Your attraction would not just stop when you are pronounced married. However, there comes the double standard that if a man does it, he’s a pervert, but a woman, she’s just expressing her sexuality and only hers is ‘harmless’.
Indeed. Of course I do. It is basically saying that a relationship without sex is invalid. What if a member of a couple had a problem with their genitals? Even sexual couples express love through other actions (kissing, holding hands, cuddling, speaking certain words or phrases) so why can a relationship not just work without that completely?
Also, if a couple was not married and had still been with each other for so many years (or did not even believe in marriage), I consider that as real a relationship as a married couple, as I live in the modern world. Besides, I suppose not believing in marriage would be quite freeing.
Again, I know that. I’m not saying everyone should be like that. I’m not saying I’m ‘unique’ either, as everyone has something in common with another person. However, people of course say my boyfriend is just in it because he hopes he might get sex one day, make the yawn-inducing ‘tiny penis’ jokes, that he’s just too ‘scared’ to leave, that he only agrees with me because he's 'whipped' and so on. Yeah, because it’s not like men are perfectly capable of being born asexual or just plain not being interested in sex (though most would still most likely masturbate, but depending on their position on the spectrum, will not think of anyone else when doing it…as strange as that is). It just adds to the negative stereotypes of men.
No. It would be far worse to force an innocent, strong woman into unwanted sex than it would be to put one’s penis in a non-virgin’s hand and mouth. Again, it does not change her status, it does not change her body.
I know about that report, and I am not saying the same. I am not saying a woman should say home and never have any skin onshow (that is ridiculous, as what kind of modern person is aroused by only bare arms or legs…well, there is probably a fetish out there, but normal people would not). I am not saying the same as him. This sums up, very well, the logical, non-sexist reasoning: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0GcH… (and again, those so called ‘feminists’ only focus on female victims, and where are the "don’t make false rape allegations, accept your drunken mistake or break up, as you are invalidating actual victims”). This adds onto it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACGV-f… . I am not saying women are not allowed to ever go out and have fun, I am saying that the harsh reality is that vertain cunts will choose people who look like they will be easy to attack.
That’s different though. Infertility is something uncontrollable, having sex is so. Yes, the man should have spoke up, but if they cannot bring themselves to say the problem (the same goes for STDs), but want to have sex with their partner to make them happy, then it is both their faults.
Is that a problem that she thinks that way? She’s just interested in it for other reasons.
Of course, it would count just as horrible for both. No one willingly eats shit unless they have the fetish for it, so it would bad for both, if not a little worse for the muslin.
Well, I will never understand that. I can just do my best to keep trying to help and stop people from having the make that choice.
Exactly, they have nothing to complain about.
Again, everything has a risk. However, if we did not take those risks life would be boring, but they can still be our fault. It just depends on how big that risk is and how conscious the decision.
I support equality. You and the pro-chociers have the right to your opinion, but not to call people who dare support women taking responsibly and not be hypocrites ‘anti-women’ or ‘anti-feminist’ is not very equal-sounding.
I’m just going on what I’ve seen.
Yup.
Yeah, but the pro-choicers will just spit the same ‘misogyny!’, ‘religious nut’, ‘it’s “my” body’ (even though you shared it with another/share it with the new life, and that new life has a body of it’s own, and you were a foetus once), while turning around saying men have no right to say anything because they don’t have a womb, and don’t have to ‘work as hard’ (do they forget the kind of shit pregnant women can put their partners through? I understand pregnancy can causing suffering too, some people tend forget the puking, the pain, the weird cravings, the mood swings, etc). And morning sickness can even last all day according to some. However, others have remarkable willpower. A teacher at my secondary school still came to work when she was seven months in. Now that is commitment.
As for the relationships, of course (I could not think of a response last few sentences other than that I agree).
I’m not sure. I just know she only sex to get pregnant.
Well, ok then, you are comfortable with that. My OCD/paranoia simply says otherwise. Well, I can drink from something my mum has drank being, being that we are so closely related.
And it’s not like we are the only species who enjoy/require mental stimulation/activities that make us feel happy. In an ideal world, we would all be happy with the simple things in life.
The woman being in charge of that situation would be understandable as the man does not care. It still does not stop it from being selfish and callous.
No, I’m just uncomfortable with sex in general, especially the whole ‘something being inside me’ thing, but not because I’ll see myself as submissive, but as I just don’t like the idea of the whole thing in general.
*Sigh* Homosexuality is not a choice. That person is a twat. And again, they scream at people for daring to have a negative opinion on their choices so why can’t I have a negative opinion on them?
Yeah, but surely they can have friends?
Again, I refer to the videos above, and again say while it is the criminal’s fault for the crime, she increased the chances of it happening. He is not wearing clothing meant to show his body sexually.
The clue is in the word ‘extremists’. And they are not ‘Islamic’ just as extreme ‘Christians’ are not Christians, because just like everything else, religion can evolve.
I’ve explained the difference above.
I have the fact that they would be taking and destroying my body, and most likely traumatizing me in the process. I know that, no matter how strong my mind, is I would react to such a thing like any other victim. And again, I’ve never had sex. That is called virginity, it is not a ‘social construct’ just because women don’t like it, as there is a difference between the bodies/minds of sexually active and non-sexually active beings, especially heterosexual women.
I’m not interested in sex, just as I'm not interested in most sports. End of.
Oh yes, because having an opinion someone’s choice is the same as having an opinon on someone who committed disgusting crimes.
At least homosexual intercourse is not as selfish as heterosexual intercourse, as much as it is still a choice. Plus, the partners are more equal, as they are the same gender.
That is your opinion, just as I have mine. I am not damaging anyone by having it.
Ah, now there is sarcasm I can see. I wasn’t trying to get sympathy. I’m not some fragile waif. I was just pointing out a similar situation.
I got over it (though my anxiety probably stems from it). I’m not going to hate them for having lives so meaningless they felt the need to pick on someone who never did anything to deserve it.
But I’m not attacking anyone, only giving back the attitude they have. Why should I be nice to those who do not do the same? I’m not a doormat.
No (even in bars I tend to leave before the drunken idiots start yelling and arguing) but they still proclaim about how ‘liberated’ and ‘independent’ (HA!) they are.
And yeah it still sounds like el hillally. You're just swapping meat on display with unlocked homes. He's even agreeing with him in the second vid.
The woman he was arguing against sounds like an over-reactive air-head. But she does bring up an interesting point; why not just stab any attackers? Forget fussing over what you wear if it entices rapists or not, just carry a weapon. You want rape minimisation? Why not just go straight to capsicum spray? All this worry about dress is a waste of time.
The same as them, though at least I have better reasons.”
Reasoning is the same; both you and they want to be left alone.
“Well, I’ve seen their protests in the streets, but in my city, we don’t get much of that bullshit, the woman screaming and chanting on the streets. The only thing close to could be the Republican (the Irish variety) and Orange Order marches, and even when they have a speaker, they do not demand everyone listen and curse at anyone who disagrees with their speech. Even aboard I never say of that, even in America. Maybe I’m just unlucky in that regard.”
I meant, you know, go out to a pub or a café or something and talk to people. Talk to those “non-virgins” to the face. Get to know them. Hang out with them. Be friends with them. That’s what changed my opinions in the end; friends.
“Oh, how I wish there were sarcastic. They were very serious. Again, minority as they are, there are plenty of them. The one I encountered is Razlo5000 on youtube, but they are everywhere. He is…quite the something.”
Okay if he isn’t then this guy is bad for saying men will rape whenever they get the chance. Not all men are like that. It’s even more confusing when this comes from a guy.
“Ok then, I will. By that name, I’m getting the feeling they come from 4chan.
Edit: Oh, wait’s it’s a board…okay…let’s see…”
Enjoy. I know I found it entertaining. If by entertaining means throwing my sanity down the drain.
“But I’m not. And even if I did, it would only be to have a baby anyway, if I ever did. I’d still be uncomfortable with having to do it, but I would do something in Invetro when I am perfectly capable of producing a child physically. I would not be a hypocrite, though, as I would be married, and would be having that sex for getting pregnant (yes, I know that pregnancy does not happen everyone two a man and woman have sex). I would not be saying this one man is an expectation when I am perfectly happy to seek out sexual partners for pleasure, to have premarital sex.”
Yes, you never had sex, I get it. I’m just saying even if you did/ someone else had they would still feel disgust.
“They shared their bodies. They are not ‘choosing’, but thinking themselves better, regardless of attraction. They are acting as if this particular person does not deserve their already sexual form, acting like they are special. They have a right to their bodies, just not to be hypocrites when they have already flung themselves at men or other women.”
Like you are acting nobody deserves your form? Like you are special?
Joking aside, the thing is, NOBODY deserves anyone’s sexual form. EVER. The only time they are allowed is when both consent. After that, it goes back to not deserving anyone’s body. No-one on this planet is entitled to sex, and no-one has to give away their bodies, whether sexual or not. No means no, whether from a sexual person or not, and they aren’t hypocrites. Why is that so hard for you to understand? What will It take for you to see sexual people aren’t hypocrites for saying no?
“Once again, that is not sex. Leading this one person does not turn me into some gullible idiot who lets anyone in, but having sex makes you a sexual being forever. “
Is your Mother a sexual being forever? She only has sex for having kids, you said. Where’s her condemned future as a sexual being then?
“That is what I meant. It is the union of those two bodies. They are partners. Refusing to be a good partner, to provide them with what you are happy to provide them with, is selfish. Well, again, unless that woman was a virgin when she married him, he cannot ‘cheat’, as again, he would not be the one allowing someone of the opposite gender inside him, to take him, to taint the relationship. However, of course I agree on the second part. Regardless of gender, of course, these people are arseholes, in that they refuse to let their partners so much as look at someone of the opposite/same sex (I guess bisexuals can’t look at anyone, with that logic). I think that being attracted to other people outside of marriage is bad on either person, but I still accept that is natural and so long as they don’t do anything, it’s harmless. I would hope most people do. Your attraction would not just stop when you are pronounced married. However, there comes the double standard that if a man does it, he’s a pervert, but a woman, she’s just expressing her sexuality and only hers is ‘harmless’.”
I don’t get those people who think their husbands are bad for looking at porn or whatever. They’re kind of restricted to the uptight and the fanatical.
“Indeed. Of course I do. It is basically saying that a relationship without sex is invalid. What if a member of a couple had a problem with their genitals? Even sexual couples express love through other actions (kissing, holding hands, cuddling, speaking certain words or phrases) so why can a relationship just work without that completely?”
That is a point. A friendship however is a form of relationship, though. Not something that should be considered invalid.
“Also, if a couple was not married and had still been with each other for so many years (or did not even believe in marriage), I consider that as real a relationship as a married couple, as I live in the modern world.”
Interesting thought.
“Again, I know that. I’m not saying everyone should be like that. I’m not saying I’m ‘unique’ either, as everyone has something in common with another person. However, people of course say my boyfriend is just in it because he hopes he might get sex one day, make the yawn-inducing ‘tiny penis’ jokes, that he’s just too ‘scared’ to leave, and so on. Yeah, because it’s not like men are perfectly capable of being born asexual or just plain not being interested in sex (though most would still most likely masturbate, but depending on their position on the spectrum, will not think of anyone else when doing it…as strange as that is). It just adds to the negative stereotypes of men.”
Okay, these people are just being idiots poking you where it hurts and rustling your jimmies for kicks. Why be bothered by it? But that being said, isn’t it just as wrong to presume women can’t be born (or pubated to, to be more correct) being a sexual or just plain interested in sex?
“No. It would be far worse to force an innocent, strong woman into unwanted sex than it would be to put one’s penis in a non-virgin’s hand and mouth. Again, it does not change her status, it does not change her body.”
So it’s far worse for you to be forced into sex than for a stranger to put his penis into your mother’s hand or mouth. Okay.
“I know about that report, and I am not saying the same. I am not saying a woman should say home and never have any skin onshow (that is ridiculous, as what kind of modern person is aroused by only bare arms or legs…well, there is probably a fetish out there, but normal people would not). I am not saying the same as him.”
Yet you condemned mini-skirts and boob-tubes. What kind of modern is aroused by bare arms or legs? What’s wrong with wearing them, then?
“ This sums up, very well, the logical, non-sexist reasoning: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0GcH…@ (and again, those so called ‘feminists’ only focus on female victims, and where are the ‘don’t make false rape allegations, accept your drunken mistake or break up, as you are invalidating actual victims”). This adds onto it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACGV-f…@ . I am not saying women are not allowed to ever go out and have fun, I am saying that the harsh reality is that people will choose people who look like they will be easy to attack.”
Okay, I’ll look at that in sec.
“That’s different though. Infertility is not something uncontrollable, having sex is so. Yes, the man should have spoke up, but if they cannot bring themselves to say the problem (the same goes for STDs), but want to have sex with their partner to make them happy, then it is both their faults.”
So it would be your Mother’s fault as well for having sex outside of getting pregnant.
And no, it isn’t because he was afraid to speak up or make his wife happy, but because he wants to be a dick. (I was kind of thinking of a scene in “Looking for Alibrandi”-Nice book. Nice movie too. All about pre-marital sex and Italians)
(Okay, I’m bringing your Mum up a lot. It is getting tiresome. But I want you to see a non-virgin who is also someone you love and care about, you don’t seem to have many of those in your life (so far as I’ve seen). I want you to understand what it’s like to have someone you love and care about getting abused like that, and how your own beliefs are stabbing them in the back instead of helping them)
“Is that a problem that she thinks that way? She’s just interested in it for other reasons.”
No, it’s not wrong to have sex only for that reason. Saying that’s only why other people should have sex, knocking people who do it for pleasure, that’s what the issue is.
“Of course, it would count just as horrible for both. No one willingly eats shit unless they have the fetish for it, so it would bad for both, if not a little worse for the muslin.”
So (hopefully) you can see it would be bad both for a virgin and a non-virgin, whether the non-virgin had sex for fun or babies or whatever. Either way, they both have to put up with piece of shit rapists.
“Well, I will never understand that. I can just do my best to keep trying to help and stop people from having the make that choice.”
That would be an ideal course of action.
“Exactly, they have nothing to complain about.”
Okay.
“Again, everything has a risk. However, if we did not take those risks life would be boring, but they can still be our fault. It just depends on how big that risk is and how conscious the decision. “
Exactly. It’s just I don’t think contraceptives with sex causes a big risk of getting pregnant. They’re there to decrease the chance quite a bit, after all. Otherwise what’s the point of them?
“I support equality. You and the pro-chociers have the right to your opinion, but not to call people who dare support women taking responsibly and not be hypocrites ‘anti-women’ or ‘anti-feminist’.”
Most pro-choicers are Baptist folks who live on the Southern side of the US or uptight Catholic folk, who do think women should be stuck in the kitchen. Not saying you are, they’re just defending themselves from those people.
“I’m just going on what I’ve seen.”
As am I.
“Yeah, but the pro-choicers will just spit the same ‘misogyny!’, ‘religious nut’, ‘it’s “my” body’ (even though you shared it with another/share it with the new life, and that new life has a body of it’s own, and you were a foetus once), while turning around saying men have no right to say anything because they don’t have a womb, and don’t have to ‘work as hard’ (do they forge the kind of shit pregnant women can put their partners through?).”
I was talking about a debating forum that I’ve been to since 10 years ago. Don’t go as much there anymore but it’s a good place as any to argue about ethics. More appropriate than DA anyway.
“As for the relationships, of course (I could not think of a response last few sentences other than that I agree).”
Okay.
“I’m not sure. I just know she only sex to get pregnant.”
She’s not interested in sex outside of that? Hmmmm. Like Mother like Daughter it seems.
Wonder how you’d feel if your Mother was different when it came to sex. Also wonder what your Dad was like. (Sorry too curious)
“Well, ok then, you are comfortable with that. My OCD/paranoia simply says otherwise. Well, I can drink from something my mum has drank being, being that we are so closely related.”
And there you have it.
“And it’s not like we are the only species who enjoy/require mental stimulation/activities that make us feel happy. In an ideal world, we would all be happy with the simple things in life.”
This is true.
“The woman being in charge of that situation would be understandable as the man does not care. It still does not stop it from being selfish and callous.”
Callous? It’s not like she hurt anyone.
“No, I’m just uncomfortable with sex in general, especially the whole ‘something being inside me’ thing, but not because I’ll see myself as submissive, but as I just don’t like the idea of the whole thing in general.”
Isn’t that more of a mental thing though? It might happen to you, but you might forget (knock to the head, lots of booze, hypnosis, whatever). It’s like I hate the idea of eating a sausage (the meat ones only tofu ones are fine) because of how they feel to me. They make me barf. But if I somehow stuffed one down even though I might gag but I’ll move on. I could focus on the fact I basically ate a blob of fat (which stays in the body, it doesn’t go out the other end. It goes straight to your thighs) but there’s more important things I can focus on and it’s something I can get over.
“*Sigh* Homosexuality is not a choice. That person is a twat. And again, they scream at people for daring to have a negative opinion on their choices so why can’t I have a negative opinion on them?”
Because it’s no more a choice than homosexuality is. (And yeah she is a twat. Sometimes I just want to bitchslap her so hard)
“Yeah, but surely they can have friends?”
They do, but they go out into the city at both day and night on their own for various reasons and nothing happens to them. I’ve worked night-shift heaps of times until 1.00am and have gone out shopping as late as 12.00 at night. Nothing happens. There are rapists out there, but they’re not lurking around every corner as soon as the sun sets. That’s why we have things like cops; to make streets safe.
“Again, I refer to the videos above, and again say while it is the criminal’s fault for the crime, she increased the chances of it happening</>. He is not wearing clothing meant to show his body sexually.”
Neither is a boob-tube or mini-skirt sexual. I’ve known girls to go to work in these, so what, should they be expecting to get raped in their office?
You know who rapists focus on attacking? It ain’t the skimpily dressed. It’s women who walk around looking insecure like they won’t put up a fight and would do as they’re told when he waves a knife in her face.
“The clue is in the word ‘extremists’. And they are not ‘Islamic’ just as extreme ‘Christians’ are not Christians, because just everyone else, religion can evolve.”
This is also true.
“I’ve explained the difference above.”
And you still look strict to me. You think a woman who has sex for pleasure has no right to complain about rape= women aren’t allowed to have any fun. It’s basically like saying if you play with video game X expect to have the console’s wire wrapped around your neck and don’t complain when you do.
“I have the fact that they would be taking and destroying my body, and most likely traumatizing me in the process. I know that, no matter how strong my mind, is I would react to such a thing like any other victim. And again, I’ve never had sex.”
This is what a non-virgin would go through when she is raped, I hope you realise. So she does have something to lose.
“ That is called virginity, it is not a ‘social construct’ just because women don’t like it,.as there is a difference between the bodies/minds of sexually active and non-sexually active beings, especially heterosexual women”
Things are only as valuable as the current possessor judges it to be. I could have a lump of gold in my hand but if I deem it rubbish that is what it will be and I can throw it away in the garbage. A boring rock can be a prized possession. I have considered virginity and see it has no real value. To top it off if it means I’m going to be treated better than poor non-virgin women who get raped I sure don’t want it.
“I’m not interested in sex. End of.”
And neither are non-virgins when it comes to rapists. End of.
“Oh yes, because having an opinion someone’s choice is the same as having an opinon on someone who committed disgusting crimes. “
Yeah you’re right. You’re no Hitler. You haven’t gone and killed anyone, that’s true.
You just say people who’ve gone through a disgusting act don’t suffer.
“At least homosexual intercourse is not as selfish as heterosexual intercourse, as much as it is still a choice. Plus, the partners are more equal, as they are the same gender.”
All animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others. Right. (A cookie if you get that reference)
“That is your opinion, just as I have mine. I am not damaging anyone by having it.”
But you are, or at least might.
Like, imagine when you got bashed/ had your inhaler stolen. What if some lass came along and told you that you are a hypocrite for a complaining about getting bashed, that you have no right to? How would that make you feel?
“Ah, now there is sarcasm I can see.”
Actually that wasn’t meant to be sarcasm. <-----That was my serious/ horrified face. Or supposed to be. Fuck it though smilies suck.
“ I wasn’t trying to get sympathy. I’m not some fragile waif. I was just pointing out a similar situation.”
Too late you got some sympathy. I can’t help it. You must have been scared, or at least upset and hurt. It’s no wonder you would have lashed out later on.
“I got over it (though my anxiety probably stems from it). I’m not going to hate them for having lives so meaningless they felt the need to pick on someone who never did anything to deserve it.”
For all you know they might have had their own issues. Maybe their Dad beat them or something. I’m glad you got through it though.
“But I’m not attacking anyone, only giving back the attitude they have. Why should be nice to those who do not do the same? I’m not a doormat.”
They see you as being the first one to not be nice. You said something that wasn’t nice; non-virgins can’t be raped. Why should they be nice to you? The cycle goes on.
“No (even in bars I tend to leave before the drunken idiots start yelling and arguing) but they still proclaim about how ‘liberated’ and ‘independent’ (HA!) they are.”
This isn’t a knock on people who are asexual/ choose not to have sex. They’re proclaiming it because they’re against people or anyone telling them what to do with their own bodies. It might be annoying but they’re not saying they’re better than you. Don’t you think it’s liberating to do what you want with your own body? Wouldn’t you hate it if someone came along and said “you’re not allowed to do X with your body because you have to be this or that” or whatever bull. You might not value sex being asexual, but you wouldn’t like it if someone said if you decide to have sex with your BF they’ll beat you, would you?
“Well, there’s people to take abstinence, for one.”
Sorry I don’t know which paragraph this was in reference to
Ok. But the people on that side rarely get laughed at, taunted and insulted.
No, he was being sarcastic, implying that a husband could not possible rape his partner. I wish I had remembered to show him the cases of girls as young as eight being forced into marriage, raped, and dying from it/a pregnancy.
Well, I don’t really intact with strangers well, thanks to my anxiety, but that does not stop what I just about see, or clearly hear.
Well, I’ve handled 4chan and tumblr. This is just…sad. I feel bad about feeling that way though.
Sorry. And I’m saying it’s still hypocritical.
I am not ‘special’. Besides, while I know you did not mean it that way and did not know, I’ll just say that calling someone ‘special’ over here who has mental conditions is thought of as just as offensive as ‘spastic’ and ‘retard’.
I simply respect myself/am just not interested, as like most asexuals, the thought of sex, as much as it is natural, repulsive.
No, because she did not just throw herself away. Yes, she is sexual, because sex is sex, but she did not waste her consent.
Yeah. And god forbid he masturbates to it. Apparently, that’s cheating, and yet that woman, no, girl (I say this because most of the tumblr crowd are such brats) can fill her tumblr and DA with yaoi and get off on it (and masturbate to it) and that’s fine. Unsurprizingly,that attitude came from the Social Justice Sally blog.
Oh, of course . However, there is different emotions in friendship and romance.
Yeah, I suppose it would feel rather….liberating, too. I may be all for marriage, but I can understand where people with that opinion are coming from. They just see it as a piece of paper.
Well, it was EDiots that said these things, and I should have not known better. However, I always can’t help my temper, and just can’t take anyone insulting him, especially when it comes to his personality, just because it (mostly) does not fit in the still enforced masculinity of men. He himself could not care less what others think of him.
There is nothing wrong with that, once again. It is just that arrogant attitude of how ‘feminist’ and ‘liberated’ she is (when she’s not), and that no one can expressive negativity against her sleeping around or they are a misogynistic, patriarchal, oppressive, ‘double standard’ supporting pig. If they don’t have that attitude and understand the kinds of consequences/opinon sleeping around can foster, then fine.
I know this will sound so very cheesy, but everyone is free to whatever they want, provided they are arrogant about it or it can be damaging or committing a crime.
Once more, I’m not a non-virgin. I’ve never had a guy’s penis inside me, touching me, and then suddenly had an issue with it being elsewhere.
They show off cleavage/one’s butt in a sexual manner? And the woman wearing it has a cheek to complain when someone dares look at the flesh she has so blatantly chosen to display? Someone like bikinis/swimming costumes, for example, unless it’s basically a thong and just about covers the areola (as in, the ones that have a serious case of underboob), is not inherently sexual. Not forgetting that men show almost as much skin in trunks, or even more in speedos or that cringe-inducing man-kini. However, if he’s not buff, wearing a speedo is considered ‘gross’.
I…take it you did not like my response? Sorry.
If she ever did, yes. Much as I said to say about the person I love so much, it would be true.
Yeah, it’s a bit uncomfortable to say about her in that manner, I admit.
Again it’s the attitude and the utter, complete, and unjustifiable selfishness than can come with having sex for pleasure, in regards to pregnancy.
I just said, no one wants to eat shit. A sexual woman wants sex, even if she is not attracted a particular person.
Yeah, as it’s not only them having to put themselves out like that, but also the kinds of things that can happen to them.
I know that, but it is still disgustingly, inhumanly selfish to try and deny the natural result if it does happen. They still, fully consciously, decided to risk it.
And those are the bad kind. I mean, as I believe everyone should be free to their religions (even Protestants), I don’t think there is anyone problem with someone believing in the religious sanity of life. However, it is when, like those southerners, they take it too far, that is the problem. Those fundamentalists make as all look bad. However, they can’t be bad as the WBC…right?
I am always afraid to mention I am a Roman Catholic, as whenever I do, people instantly believe, and cannot/will not be swayed otherwise, that my views stem from religious brainwashing.
And we’ve seen different things, and formed different views because of it. Simple.
Well, if you can give me the address, I’ll check it out.
Well, I have ended up with a lot in common with her. Then again, she was the only one there. However, she always let me formulate my own views. We even discussed that the previous week, actually. The government representatives said that SNP supports were ‘forcing’ their children to support the party. I was watching the program as well, and she just comes waltzing up the stairs and goes, “Yes, I made support them. I said ‘if you don’t support the SNP and vote for them, I’ll shelp you’.” I just laughed. She always give me the information to make my own views, usually in the manner of ‘here’s a book on it’, and woud always answer in person if ever I asked, but still me let my formulate my owns views. Even when I started learning about reproduction at six (I think I mentioned this before), years later she told me of how appalled and disgusted the other parents at me being giving such a book. It was a book specifically made to explain it to young children who ask ‘where babies come from’ (it’s even called “Where Did I Come From?”), as :gasp: it had nude pictures, that was ‘obscene’ and I ‘would not understand’. Oh no, she was supposed to give me the stork story, like a ‘good’ parent.
Frankly, when I was eleven, I was suprized how little my classmates knew about how they worked down there. Well, I do agree with the thought that five-year-olds should have to learn about love and sex, but we should still give them bits at time throughout childhood, as it will help them make better decisions.
Sorry about blathering on again. BTW, ‘scelp’ is simply Scottish slang for getting smacked/spanked.
So, it was family for you then?
She took away the new life. She hurt them.
I don’t think it will. Yes, I’m not one of those people who thinks ‘it’ll never happen to me’ (by that I mean rape), but I know I won’t ever want to have sex, just as you don’t like sausages.
A bump on the head would be nothing anyway. I received one of them almost every time I get out of the my old bed too fast was never worse for wear apart from the usual lump, and I never get drunk. As for hypnosis, that is…a fucking terrifying thought. And that would still be rape, would it not?
That is true, but we can still control ourselves. That is opinion I will truly never understand – homophobia.
I know, I know, but again, I’m just paranoid. I don’t think I’m some poor little victim, but think about, I’m some skinny, tiny, specky (an insult for someone who wears glasses) woman who has to completely rely on her cane to navigate at night. I would still fight back of course, but as I said before, it’s always get to have backup.
And what kind of work would that be allowed in, as the ones I can come up is stripper, prostitute, or porn star. What kind of ‘professional’ woman lets everything hang out like that, or allowed to let everything hang out like that?
Exactly, and a scantily clad woman making sexual body language could be seen as that.
Again, because she is a sexual being. That does not mean she can’t go out and drink and party and whatnot. People just need to be aware, male or female, and not take things like booze too far, as sadly, the world can really be a piece of shit sometimes. That’s one of the reason we have fun, to forget troubles.
But she is still being a hypocrite, no matter how much it would obviously the same. Only her mind can be damaged (yes, I do know that mental harm can be far worse than psychical harm).
And people are entitled to value what they value, simple.
She is interested in sex. Full stop.
And I never would, even if someone was attacking me, I know I could not bring myself to kill them, as cowardly and sexistly-feminine as that is. Even if it was manslaughter, I know I would still blame myself.
They did suffer, just not as much as the victim who has never been through a similar act.
Again, it’s the while ‘opposite genders’ thing. Heterosexual men and women will never be equal in that area as we are born with the organs/gender we have. Others areas are not so…primal. Hm…”Animal Farm”? I do like it when people slip in references in conversations . My secondary school was one of the few that did not have that as part of their first/second year. My class did not even do the usual “Lord of the Flies” for Standard Grade/Higher either (we had “Shakespeare” and “Sherlock Holmes” instead, to my delight). However, the former two novels are the kind that pretty much everyone knows about.
Well, I would be pissed of course. But I never asked anyone to hit me or take my inhaler.
Oh, ok. Thanks, I guess Sorry if I sounded rude.
I was upset, but the depression and hurt cleared up after I left school. My mum noticed that quicker than I did. I may not have gotten into college, but I now have control over my life, and a job…well others might not consider it a job, but I consider my creative/original writing (as in, my original story and not fanfiction, that’s just a hobby/practice) as my job. Most of the hours of my day are assigned to it, and as my own boss if I’m not getting any work done or drawing a blank, I, um, scold myself, and if I get distracted, I…um, scold myself as well. I don’t think I could ever fire me though. However, I bet if my mum put that on my forms, that would, for some reason, mean I’m ok to work outside, in a job I can’t do.
That’s kind of what I meant, though, I should have worded it better. However, their beating on someone else who is innocent, no matter the issue makes them just as bad, though that does not mean they do not deserve sympathy and comfort, and attempts to help them. Their issues are as bad as/far worse than mine.
Well, exactly. But that does not mean I am incapable of kindness or sympathy, as I’ve shown. I also maintain the simple things of politeness (holding the door for the person behind me, giving up my seat for some with a buggy or if they are elderly, etc), as other normal/non-arsehole people do. And I don’t scream sexism when someone, even if male, holds a door open for me . I also refuse when people insist I take their seat. How does my eyesight affect my legs, exactly? I’m not going to use my disability to take advantage of people.
But we are not ‘telling people what to do with their bodies’ only expression our opinion/concerns about the choice, just as you express concern about my opinions. I would just know I made that choice and accept that, like everyone else in the world, I will be criticized. I’m used that thinking that anyway.
The one regarding virginity. Some people who make an abstinence pledge claim that anal or oral sex is ‘technically’ maintaining their virginity.
Well, despite my age, I still get told off for swearing. She tells off Tam too, but he still does it as well.
“Ok. But the people on that side rarely get laughed at, taunted and insulted.”
In my little world they were. But that is my limited experience. It may be different elsewhere. Were you/ someone you know taunted/ insulted for it? Is that why you’re so defensive about it?
“No, he was being sarcastic, implying that a husband could not possible rape his partner. I wish I had remembered to show him the cases of girls as young as eight being forced into marriage, raped, and dying from it/a pregnancy. “
This guy sounds rather ignorant then.
“Well, I don’t really intact with strangers well, thanks to my anxiety, but that does not stop what I just about see, or clearly hear.”
That’s no good. I can’t imagine social anxiety being much fun and once again I feel bad for you. Have you ever considered professional help regarding you’re anxiety? It’s better than doing nothing at all about it. Or maybe you already sought out help?
“Well, I’ve handled 4chan and tumblr. This is just…sad. I feel bad about feeling that way though.”
You’re telling me.
“Sorry. And I’m saying it’s still hypocritical.”
And I’m still saying it’s not.
“I am not ‘special’. Besides, while I know you did not mean it that way and did not know, I’ll just say that calling someone ‘special’ over here who has mental conditions is thought of as just as offensive as ‘spastic’ and ‘retard’.”
I did not mean it like that. I meant it in the same way you see non-virgins. You don’t think you’re special and neither do they. They’re simply entitled to refuse sex. Simple as.
“I simply respect myself/am just not interested, as like most asexuals, the thought of sex, as much as it is natural, repulsive.”
And there’s nothing wrong with that. It is wrong however to think someone is entitled to sex. Well people can do what they like with their own bodies, or if someone consents (for the 15 or so minutes of the act). Outside of that, they get nothing, they have no right to. I don’t care how bad their blue balls/ bean is, they can keep their mitts to themselves; otherwise what they are doing is flat out wrong.
“No, because she did not just throw herself away. Yes, she is sexual, because sex is sex, but she did not waste her consent.”
And where is this magical force that causes women to be forever sexual beings who always say yes that your mother didn’t get? I’m sure I could gain a profit from it that whoever made Viagra (either woman’s or men’s) would scream blue murder. What magical force did your mother get to stop her from being any sort of sexual being forever more? Please tell me, I’m sure a lot of self-loathing Catholics want to know.
“Yeah. And god forbid he masturbates to it. Apparently, that’s cheating, and yet that woman, no, girl (I say this because most of the tumblr crowd are such brats) can fill her tumblr and DA with yaoi and get off on it (and masturbate to it) and that’s fine. Unsurprizingly,that attitude came from the Social Justice Sally blog.”
SJW’s are SJW’s I just ignore them.
“Oh, of course . However, there is different emotions in friendship and romance.”
There is.
“Yeah, I suppose it would feel rather….liberating, too. I may be all for marriage, but I can understand where people with that opinion are coming from. They just see it as a piece of paper.”
Some people do some people don’t. Everyone is different and relationships everywhere is different.
“Well, it was EDiots that said these things, and I should have not known better. However, I always can’t help my temper, and just can’t take anyone insulting him, especially when it comes to his personality, just because it (mostly) does not fit in the still enforced masculinity of men. He himself could not care less what others think of him.”
I suppose I would feel the same if I had a romantic relationship with someone. But ATM I don’t. All I can say is take a chill pill.
“There is nothing wrong with that, once again. It is just that arrogant attitude of how ‘feminist’ and ‘liberated’ she is (when she’s not), and that no one can expressive negativity against her sleeping around or they are a misogynistic, patriarchal, oppressive, ‘double standard’ supporting pig. If they don’t have that attitude and understand the kinds of consequences/opinon sleeping around can foster, then fine.”
Look at it from another’s point of view; for ages she’s been around men who’ve bashed her (either verbally or physically) for showing any sort of libido which men are always free to enjoy. Suddenly she goes out into the world and she’s free of said men and free to do what she wants. She turns back to the men who made her life miserable. Could you blame her for saying “Haha I’m free stuff you. You males you were simply bad people.”? She needs to learn not all men are like that, and she may have to learn to restrain herself, but considering where she most likely came from, I couldn’t really blame her.
“I know this will sound so very cheesy, but everyone is free to whatever they want, provided they are arrogant about it or it can be damaging or committing a crime.”
This is, in a way the same morality I am trying to get at.
“Once more, I’m not a non-virgin. I’ve never had a guy’s penis inside me, touching me, and then suddenly had an issue with it being elsewhere.”
But you would have an issue with it if it happens to you? What makes you think you wouldn’t if you weren’t a virgin?
“They show off cleavage/one’s butt in a sexual manner? And the woman wearing it has a cheek to complain when someone dares look at the flesh she has so blatantly chosen to display? Someone like bikinis/swimming costumes, for example, unless it’s basically a thong and just about covers the areola (as in, the ones that have a serious case of underboob), is not inherently sexual..”
Fun fact though; as an exercise today, I counted how many girls I passed by who wore a tank-top/ boob-tube. I got up to 19, not including myself.
But it’s not that sexual at all. And yeah, if some guy got real close to me and started saying he’s do something lewd I’d smack him across the face (or at least try to). Because it’s not there for sexual reasons. I wear it because it was a warm day or I want to look good, which is not meaning I want sex.
“Not forgetting that men show almost as much skin in trunks, or even more in speedos or that cringe-inducing man-kini. However, if he’s not buff, wearing a speedo is considered ‘gross’”
If I find it gross I tend to keep my opinions to myself unless they ask, but it’s usually not the case for guys who simply aren’t buff or what-not.
“I…take it you did not like my response? Sorry.”
I waited to group it all in one post.
“If she ever did, yes. Much as I said to say about the person I love so much, it would be true.”
So even if you love someone you’d still rather be against them and hold your strange ideals? What’s the point of the ideals then? What value do you get by keeping them? Aside from your Mother’s approval? All you’re doing is ticking a lot of people off. And for what? So you can feel secure? One day you’re going to come across a non-virgin who has suffered so much and I hope to hell you’ll feel bad for them and realise what you’ve said.
“Yeah, it’s a bit uncomfortable to say about her in that manner, I admit.”
It’s disturbing to think in the manner you do.
“Again it’s the attitude and the utter, complete, and unjustifiable selfishness than can come with having sex for pleasure, in regards to pregnancy.”
Inregards to abortion, perhaps (though that’s another can of worms I disagree with). But outside of that?
“I just said, no one wants to eat shit. A sexual woman wants sex, even if she is not attracted a particular person.”
Ummmm, no. Flat out no. If she is not attracted to a person, how in the world can she want sex?Where did you get this idea from? You just woke up one day and thought this? For your information, when it comes to a rapist, they are about as desirable as a piece of shit. No-one wants it, and it’s horrible to force them into it, and it’s horrible to tolerate it. Having sexual activity once doesn’t mean you’ve forever accepting of anymore sex. Why do you think this? Everybody’s telling you otherwise, and you refuse to listen. Why?
“Yeah, as it’s not only them having to put themselves out like that, but also the kinds of things that can happen to them.”
Yes, it’s horrible, and horrible things can happen to them. People treat prostitutes, (whether they are in fact one or someone’s simply perceiving them as one), quite horribly. It shouldn’t be tolerated. There’s also the poor people getting forced into it, and it’s just plain old evil.
“I know that, but it is still disgustingly, inhumanly selfish to try and deny the natural result if it does happen. They still, fully consciously, decided to risk it.”
A person putting a baby in a car is fully consciously taking a risk of them getting into an accident. Is that immoral?
“And those are the bad kind. I mean, as I believe everyone should be free to their religions (even Protestants), I don’t think there is anyone problem with someone believing in the religious sanity of life. However, it is when, like those southerners, they take it too far, that is the problem. Those fundamentalists make as all look bad. However, they can’t be bad as the WBC…right?”
Not all of them are like that, no. Things aren’t black and white with religion or anything else. Everyone is in some sort of shade of grey.
“I am always afraid to mention I am a Roman Catholic, as whenever I do, people instantly believe, and cannot/will not be swayed otherwise, that my views stem from religious brainwashing. “
It usually is the cause from what they’ve seen so far. Even in my case that was the reasoning why. But even if it is 99% the case, they should consider that there is a 1% case where the person is different.
“And we’ve seen different things, and formed different views because of it. Simple.”
I would like to know though what things you have seen to form such an opinion. I was hoping there was some sort of reasoning behind it besides getting upset over SJW’s on the internet and simply being a pro-lifer. (There are heaps of pro-lifers but even they don’t blame non-virgins for the rape if it happens to them).
Well, if you can give me the address, I’ll check it out.
If you dislike having being placed under some religious label there are labels you can choose eg. “atheist” “agnostic” “not sure ATM” and so-on.
“Well, I have ended up with a lot in common with her. Then again, she was the only one there. However, she always let me formulate my own views. We even discussed that the previous week, actually. The government representatives said that SNP supports were ‘forcing’ their children to support the party. I was watching the program as well, and she just comes waltzing up the stairs and goes, “Yes, I made support them. I said ‘if you don’t support the SNP and vote for them, I’ll shelp you’.” I just laughed. She always give me the information to make my own views, usually in the manner of ‘here’s a book on it’, and woud always answer in person if ever I asked, but still me let my formulate my owns views. Even when I started learning about reproduction at six (I think I mentioned this before), years later she told me of how appalled and disgusted the other parents at me being giving such a book. It was a book specifically made to explain it to young children who ask ‘where babies come from’ (it’s even called “Where Did I Come From?”), as :gasp: it had nude pictures, that was ‘obscene’ and I ‘would not understand’. Oh no, she was supposed to give me the stork story, like a ‘good’ parent.
Frankly, when I was eleven, I was suprized how little my classmates knew about how they worked down there. Well, I do agree with the thought that five-year-olds should have to learn about love and sex, but we should still give them bits at time throughout childhood, as it will help them make better decisions.”
It doesn’t matter if you learnt it at age six or eleven or what. When you learn something as a kid, you keep on learning as a kid, and even in adulthood, you keep on learning new things, especially about sex. It’s like, okay a kid might be better than other kids in second grade, he’s as good as a sixth-grader. But if he can’t just stay on the level of the sixth grader, he’s supposed to go up. He can’t stay at the level of a sixth-grader when he’s in grade 8.
I had a conversation with my shrink about this actually. She was telling me how before I had formed ideas as a kid and stuck to them, despite when being an adult you need to form new ideas as you age. I think this might be the case with you. You formed your opinions of sex at eleven and stayed on the level of an eleven year old in regards to sex. (Not meaning to be offensive, like I said it’s something that was similar to what I had been through).
“Sorry about blathering on again. BTW, ‘scelp’ is simply Scottish slang for getting smacked/spanked.”
That’s a new one for me, which is odd with me coming from a Scottish family.
“So, it was family for you then?”
I was thinking of a case where I was having a coughing fit. A nice girl from my class offered a bottle of water which she had been drinking form. I needed a wet throat, she was kind enough to offer the drink. Why complain?
“She took away the new life. She hurt them.”
Except when she never got pregnant in the first place.
“I don’t think it will. Yes, I’m not one of those people who thinks ‘it’ll never happen to me’ (by that I mean rape), but I know I won’t ever want to have sex, just as you don’t like sausages. “
Yeah but even if I don’t like sausages I’m not going to go around and tell everyone what to eat or say they deserve say a heart attack just for eating a weiner.
“A bump on the head would be nothing anyway. I received one of them almost every time I get out of the my old bed too fast was never worse for wear apart from the usual lump, and I never get drunk. As for hypnosis, that is…a fucking terrifying thought. And that would still be rape, would it not?”
If a person was forcing a person into hypnosis or using hypnosis top force themselves, then yes, that would be rape and very immoral. Some people though voluntarily go to a therapist who might offer hypnosis and they agree to it. Some people want to forget. Especially when it comes to rape, if a person wants to use hypnosis to forget about that, I’m all for it.
“That is true, but we can still control ourselves. That is opinion I will truly never understand – homophobia.”
People can control themselves, that is true, just as much as a person can restrain themselves from eating something nice. But to say they should never have sex is going a bit far, just as it is to say they should never eat that nice thing again.
“I know, I know, but again, I’m just paranoid. I don’t think I’m some poor little victim, but think about, I’m some skinny, tiny, specky (an insult for someone who wears glasses) woman who has to completely rely on her cane to navigate at night. I would still fight back of course, but as I said before, it’s always get to have backup.”
I’ve seen blind people go out and about on their own (with the aid of a seeing eye dog. Why don’t you get one of those?). I don’t know how they handle it though. My sister is the same build as you and I’ve lost track of how often she goes into the main city both day and night.
But if it’s paranoia or anxiety again I’d try and get therapy for that. And NO I don’t mean get stuck in an asylum with the cliché straight-jacket. I mean talk to a professional and have them look through your problems and try to get help working yourself through them.
“And what kind of work would that be allowed in, as the ones I can come up is stripper, prostitute, or porn star. What kind of ‘professional’ woman lets everything hang out like that, or allowed to let everything hang out like that?”
I was able to work in a tank-top (the warehouses I worked in were like ovens). Girls wore mini-skirts to the office because they wanted to look good. Again, I saw like 19 women wear tank-tops/ boob-tubes just walking around town. It’s not something for strippers or prostitutes or anything it’s simply fashion and people wanting to look good (and it’s hot here. As a Scot I’m afraid you might not understand being in a snowy place until you’ve been here. But it’s hot. Real hot).
That’s another thing though; you get women in Africa or whatever and they run around topless. This is the social norm for them. You going to say they’re asking to get raped for following their social norm?
“Exactly, and a scantily clad woman making sexual body language could be seen as that. “
More like an insecure girl trying to be unrape-able by running around all shy and in a turtleneck as if she has a sign saying “please don’t rape me”.
“Again, because she is a sexual being. That does not mean she can’t go out and drink and party and whatnot. People just need to be aware, male or female, and not take things like booze too far, as sadly, the world can really be a piece of shit sometimes. That’s one of the reason we have fun, to forget troubles.”
And we need to have fun at least sometime in our lives. Life would be shit without it.
“But she is still being a hypocrite, no matter how much it would obviously the same. Only her mind can be damaged (yes, I do know that mental harm can be far worse than psychical harm). “
Her body gets damaged too. Have you even heard of what happens to rape victims? Here’s some articles;
And welcome back from your cave on mars if you haven’t heard of these. And this is just off the top of my head.
Would they be hypocrites if they complained about what they went through?
“And people are entitled to value what they value, simple.”
Exactly
“She is interested in sex. Full stop.”
No she is not. Full stop.
“And I never would, even if someone was attacking me, I know I could not bring myself to kill them, as cowardly and sexistly-feminine as that is. Even if it was manslaughter, I know I would still blame myself.”
At least you’re not killing anyone, which is a good moral.
“They did suffer, just not as much as the victim who has never been through a similar act.”
You know, it’d be getting pedantic trying to argue who suffered more than thou. That’s what emos do. You at least acknowledge that they do indeed suffer, which at least is progress for you.
“Again, it’s the while ‘opposite genders’ thing. Heterosexual men and women will never be equal in that area as we are born with the organs/gender we have.”
Doesn’t mean anyone has to be dominant or submissive. Then there’s chicks who jill off. Who are they being submissive to?
“Others areas are not so…primal. Hm…”Animal Farm”? I do like it when people slip in references in conversations . My secondary school was one of the few that did not have that as part of their first/second year. My class did not even do the usual “Lord of the Flies” for Standard Grade/Higher either (we had “Shakespeare” and “Sherlock Holmes” instead, to my delight). However, the former two novels are the kind that pretty much everyone knows about.”
“Well, I would be pissed of course. But I never asked anyone to hit me or take my inhaler.”
And a rape victim, whether a virgin or not, never asked anyone to do what he or she did to her. So people would understandably be just as pissed off at you.
“Oh, ok. Thanks, I guess Sorry if I sounded rude.”
Simple misunderstanding
“I was upset, but the depression and hurt cleared up after I left school. My mum noticed that quicker than I did. I may not have gotten into college, but I now have control over my life, and a job…well others might not consider it a job, but I consider my creative/original writing (as in, my original story and not fanfiction, that’s just a hobby/practice) as my job. Most of the hours of my day are assigned to it, and as my own boss if I’m not getting any work done or drawing a blank, I, um, scold myself, and if I get distracted, I…um, scold myself as well. I don’t think I could ever fire me though. However, I bet if my mum put that on my forms, that would, for some reason, mean I’m ok to work outside, in a job I can’t do.”
Well if you’re getting better that’s good. I still think you need to get out more.
“That’s kind of what I meant, though, I should have worded it better. However, their beating on someone else who is innocent, no matter the issue makes them just as bad, though that does not mean they do not deserve sympathy and comfort, and attempts to help them. Their issues are as bad as/far worse than mine.”
Oh okay.
“Well, exactly. But that does not mean I am incapable of kindness or sympathy, as I’ve shown. I also maintain the simple things of politeness (holding the door for the person behind me, giving up my seat for some with a buggy or if they are elderly, etc), as other normal/non-arsehole people do. And I don’t scream sexism when someone, even if male, holds a door open for me . I also refuse when people insist I take their seat. How does my eyesight affect my legs, exactly? I’m not going to use my disability to take advantage of people.”
You’re supposed to be nice to everybody though.
“But we are not ‘telling people what to do with their bodies’ only expression our opinion/concerns about the choice, just as you express concern about my opinions. I would just know I made that choice and accept that, like everyone else in the world, I will be criticized. I’m used that thinking that anyway.”
And like I said opinions can piss people off, just like you’d be pissed off if someone told you off after you were bashed/ had your inhaler stolen.
“The one regarding virginity. Some people who make an abstinence pledge claim that anal or oral sex is ‘technically’ maintaining their virginity. “
While anal sex may be a bit more dubious, no-one I met considered oral sex to mean a loss of virginity.
“Well, despite my age, I still get told off for swearing. She tells off Tam too, but he still does it as well.”
While I have been raised to not swear in front of my elders (though I’ve seen them swear too), in my country swearing like a sailor is the cultural norm.
“Ok, first off, the whole ‘women are weaker than man physically’ is a poor never-sound excuse (and adds to the “men can’t be raped” ‘argument’).”
In general, women are smaller than men (just on average). This doesn’t mean everyone’s ignoring it when the odd muscle-bound woman who works out raping or bashing the odd guy who’s physically weaker because he doesn’t bother with toning his muscles (not that that’s a bad thing; people have other things to do than worrying about their bodies). It’s also not ignoring a woman or man who could rape or hurt someone using manipulation or through other tactics. It’s just a generalisation.I could say in people over 70 are weaker but this doesn’t mean I’m not aware of old people who aren’t weak and can do horrible things.
“ Secondly, cat-calling/wolf-whistling when that woman is a non-virgin. It is words and noises, and men have a right to their sexuality, to find someone attractive. It is ‘rape’ or ‘harassment’. “
Everyone has their limits, like I said before. Hardly anyone does the cat-calling or wolf whistling except to the odd person who is obviously disturbed by it just to piss them off. My sister for example finds certain swear words offensive. I try not to say them not because she’s against free speech but simply to be courteous. The guys or girls doing that shouldn’t be rude and leave the other person alone.
“Thirdly, unless a person is having that alcohol forced down their throat, they chose to drink it, to put themselves in that position.”
I’d like to give a couple of analogies.
Situation 1: Okay, there’s a woman, called Jane, going to the hospital and her doctor is doctor prick. Jane has to be put under anesthetic if she wants her body fixed so she agrees. She CHOSE to do what doctor prick says and take the anesthetic because she trusts him. Unknown to her doctor prick is an evil pervert and he knocks her out enough that she has trouble doing simple things like lifting her arms and her focus isn’t so great. Doctor prick chooses this moment to rape her. In this case the doctor is evil and the woman is not at fault.
Situation 2: Jane goes under, operation or whatever done, doctor prick didn’t do a thing to her, Jane wakes up but she’s still a bit drugged, but not overly so. She wanders around a bit and starts giggling and coming on to doctor prick. The doctor does his best to resist Jane but he’s tired, he had a long day, his wife’s been a bitch to him, life sucks etc and eventually he gives in to Janes advances on the spot and they screw. Morning after, they both realise what they’ve done. Jane decides to call him a rapist (not that doctor is completely innocent, doctor patient relations and all that but putting that aside).
Two situations one when the doctor is immoral, the other the girl is immoral. And when getting drunk, you can have two different situations. One where you think you’re among friends who you trust but someone takes advantage of you (whether you’re a guy or a girl. Guys get taken advantage of when they get wasted as well, and it’s just as immoral) and you’re really drunk. The other where you’re not all that intoxicated and you’re just a jerk. There are probably even more situations and you just can’t judge off the bat what happened because it’s always different. This is why it needs to be taken to court where lawyers argue and a judge decides based on evidence.
Add to that we put ourselves in vulnerable positions all the time. When we go out for recreation, when we get medical help, when we sleep, when we eat. If we can’t trust our friends when we go out who can you trust?
As a bit of research for once, here’s a website I lazily googled.
“25.98 In Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and the Northern Territory, there is no consent where the complainant is so affected by alcohol or other drugs as ‘to be incapable of freely agreeing’ to the sexual activity.[175] In the ACT, the effect of alcohol or other drugs is less qualified; there is no consent if it is caused by ‘the effect of intoxicating liquor, a drug or anaesthetic’.[176] In NSW, there may be no consent where a complainant was ‘substantially intoxicated by alcohol or any drug’.[177] This formulation adopts the view expressed in the report of the Criminal Justice Sexual Offences Taskforce that the degree of intoxication and whether it was such that a person was ‘unable to consent’ are matters for the jury.[178]”
“People say that no matter what the woman did not, a drunken man raped a woman if he had sex with her, whether she was drunk or not, so men are responsible for their actions when drunk, but not women?”
And you get people who disagree with that mindset where the man gets blamed and people in the news getting charged in court for perverting justice. So don’t judge everyone just because a few tumblers got your knickers in a knot.
“Also a man is even more vulnerable in that situation, because, even if she consented, she can call it rape regardless of her status (drunk or sober), and will be one hundred percent believed. Again, another example of the ‘everything is men’s fault’ mentality.“
And when a woman is in the same situation the guy can turn around and say she raped him. This isn’t “it’s always the men’s fault” mentality. This is the person whether women or man being at fault for raping the person when they were incapacitated, like in the first example with the doctor above. You also get the second situation which is immoral and what you’re focusing on ATM but you can’t say people are going to 100% believe her, because once again, news, court…. Etc. No group of people have a 100% belief in one thing in any case. We’re human individuals not a bunch of robot drones.
“I know both generally (I’ve watched documentaries and news reports) and personally of the kinds of destruction a false rape allegation can bring upon a man (a long story, that one).”
I already know that false rape allegation can be damaging. But since you brought it up something that happened to you personally what happened there if you don’t mind me asking? I don’t mind if it’s a long story.
“Yes, there are people who will not care what you do or who you are and still attack, but again, that’s just life.”
Sadly true.
“As for attacking, that is a point, however, it depends on whether one is allowed to carry such weapons, again there would be a double standard – a woman can spray a man for so much as wolf whistling (or, in a recent case case, punch him for making a joke which was not even directed at her, and that is seen as normal, even praised as a ‘feminist’ action, the main contributor in that being Tumblr, of course). However, if a man were to turn around and punch/spray a woman for making advantages on him, he would be called a bastard, an abuser, a misogynist, who does not understand how ‘lucky’ he is.”
No, that isn’t what I’m saying at all. A man has just as much right to defend himself with a spray or whatever just as much as a woman does, as he too could get attacked. The only qualms I have with weapons (whether the yielder is a man or woman) is with guns since they’re flat out lethal and you have psychos who use them to go on shooting sprees. That and king-hits which also kill people. A lot of people are wising up that a girl can be an attacker and there are already enough reports of women being psychos so I think the double standard you’re afraid of is already being phased out.
“BTW, upon the previous comment, sorry about the far more than usual mistakes. I really don’t know what happened there.”
If you want help there try copy-pasting the quotes you are replying to. You can always put them in bold or italics or just use “” like I do.
I’ve had it as long as I can remember, but I think it intensified after the bullying. I did get help actually, but there was not anyone they can do. They just give you tablet nowadays and ask you really invasive questions. We eventually stopped going as it just was not helping. And even though it was on the NHS, you still had to pay, which, while being little, build up.
I can do the simple things, like ask for a drink, show my ID if necessary, and if someone wants to borrow one of the chairs at the table I smile and say sure, but when it comes to trying to have a conversation, most of the timeI’m plagued with thoughts that I’ll be annoying, or I’ll blurt someone stupid/random (though I tend to the latter even when on my own). I also stutter if say, I feel the need to ask someone to look out for a certain bus (as despite it being a massive vehicle, I don’t see it until it’s right there) as I think I’m being a bother even if the person agrees. I mostly go out for the cinema, festivals, and the occasional con, or simply because I wanted to send a day with Matt.
However, there was one good situation a few months back. I was at a festival, and got to talking to this woman and her son, and it was a nice time. I love it when moments such as that happen. Everyone now and then, something like that will happen.
*Nod* It’s one of those things that you pay attention to because of some bile fascination, like 4chan. I know this a bit of a sexist/anti-male virgin joke, but their bedsheets must be like stone.
And that’s your opinon. Mine is just as valid.
I said that in the very paragraph. And they are being hypocrites being doing so. I’m not.
Of course people are entitled to their own bodies, but that does not stop the hypocrisy of women. That extra penis/dildo/vag is not going to make any difference to her status. Sexual women, like all sexual people, are given sexual comments, and people have no right to try and control another’s sexuality by calling their comments/advantages ‘perverted’, ‘harassment’ (HA!) or ‘unwanted’ when she already had a cock/dildo inside her, some other girl’s tongue inside her, etc.
I just said. She only had sex for the purpose of reproduction. She was not throwing herself at men for pleasure, and then acting like a hypocrite. There was very good reason she and my father broke up and even after her she never left me at home or something to go pursue another men.
Huh, Viagra for women. How does that work? Just make her more lubricated/increase lust?
I am not ‘self-loathing’. And they are not Catholic, but, again, extremist arseholes.
Well, they are funny. My views may be extreme, but I know I’m not as bad as that. They go further than I ever could. I fucking hate homophobes, as you know, and would call someone out on that opinion, but I also realize they probably got such a common intolerance from someone else, so I can’t really blame them.
It’s a hard thing to explain for anyone, but when you know, you know. Another funny little thing I found out a few months ago was this. On a 3DS, you can pick a ‘life goal’, and his was to get married and mine was…be a hero (well, I do, sometimes ). I would bet he gets teased for too. Like an idiot, I asked who he would want to marry and he replied, “you, you idiot.” I was never really that observant in that area. Even during the two/one and half years (from fifth year) he was in love them me, in typical romcom fashion, I did not think for a second that it was me, especially because he asked for advise on how to confess (I just said, don’t do anything cheesy or announce it in public), and he claimed the girl was in the year above us (I suppose he was just waiting for the right moment – after prom). I just had to think about it for a while before by mind click and went “Hol, you like him too!”.So cheesy, right? Though it kind of compromises my “men and women can be platonic friends and without having to get together” opinon).
Ah, sorry, I was actually trying to explain what cannot be explained in that very…rant.
Yup. And it’s also interesting to see the different kinds.
It’s just that temper of mine. I’ve honestly never seen him get angry in the entire ten years we’ve know each other. He just laughs things off. He always had to restrain me when I lashed out at me bullies, as I just could not understand that ‘hitting them back makes you just as bad’. I have tried taking deep breaths for a while though, but sometimes you can’t fight that typical Glaswegian rage.
Ok, ok, I see what you mean, I can compare it to me feeling free of my bullies (sorry I keep selfishly comparing situations to my life, but it helps me understand more; that’s not bad, is it?). She is just going to latch on physically to another man (but perhaps not emotionally) so it is still a bit silly. I didn’t go from getting bullied to, say, being a masochist.
Yes, but bragging out it and to trying to shove that activity down everyone’s throats can be damaging, or simply be seen as annoying.
Because I know I would be a hypocrite since I would be perfectly comfortable with it being elsewhere.
Oh, a tank top, fine, but men don’t wear boob-tubes (though midriff tops for men are apparently in style) so why should women? And don’t women have to wear sports bras so the girls don’t bounce and get painful? It’s still as bad in a normal bra. That’s why I don’t get why women’s sports uniforms are always more far revealing then men’s. I was told it was someone to do with them being able to move faster, but I know that’s rubbish.
But it’s not ‘lewd’. Yes, it’s a bit too upfront, but not ‘lewd’ and hitting him is uncalled for. They would not have attacked you. I wouldn’t attack them. I’d just walk away. More effective, I think.
Yeah, and everyone is like that. Even if I saw some old person wonder by in a speedo I would still keep it too myself. And I’m not self-conscious in a bikini either (well, I do worry about getting comments about how skinny I am), as I remember that everyone is dressed like that too, and I’m too busy having fun too .
Ok.
I’m not against her, but I can’t hold her to different ideas just because I love her. That would be hypocritical, surely? However, as I said, she is not really like that as she was married/only did it for two babies. It’s not for her ‘approval’. I have my own opinon because I am my own person and I’m not going to bow down and accept the selfish, sheep-like opinon of the majority, as the majority are being selfish and bratty.
Of course I would feel bad for them. I have emotions. But I still would not think it was as bad a virgin, but I did come across some woman who was sobbing and wailing about what she had just been through, I know I would stop and try to help her, instead of falling to Bystander Syndrome.
Meh.
Well, fine, again, so long as no-one is arrogant about it. Yes, pride is our nature, but just like selfishness, we, as humans, have to set limits.
Because it’s hypocritical. Would anyone say a former thief can complain about being robbed? Someone, say, who pesters another person for a certain thing, and turns around and complains when they are given the same treatment? A racist complain about racism against them? If so, then a non-virgin with her arrogant, oppressive attitude has no right to complain about sexual attention. I did not just ‘wake up and suddenly think it’. It came to through my learning, and realizing the hypocrisy. It’s not like I would act as if I’m an exception. I hold myself to the same standards. That is the simple reasoning.
Yup. If someone is willing do it because they think it makes a good career, then that is stupid, and basically one step below a porn star (but if they what they want, so be it, so be it). As for those who have no choice? Much I feel there are always other options (for me, it’s the literally shit-covered sewers) and she is basically saying that, as a woman, this is the only choice, it’s still out of a desire to keep herself, or more often, her loved ones, alive and fed.
Oh indeed, that makes me shiver, especially when people are kidnapped from their holidays or their very homes. And people don’t realize there are a lot of boys forced into that too.
You can’t decide whether an accident is going to happen or not. And you would hope they had used all the safety features.
Of course, but some of them are just born into that, and that is all they know.
Yup. I hate the corruption, paedophilia and denial of AIDS as much as anyone else. And there are pedos in the Protestant churches as well. I follow science as much as I do my religion and God. Ok, feel free to laugh, but I’m an Old Earth Creationist (though in the way of believing that God initiated the Big Bang). I know it’s their choice to believe it, but I just do not understand why some people still think the earth is only six thousand years old and that fossils are a ‘test of our faith’. However, the WBC is most definitely black. There is not a single good moral behind their actions. Even extremists, much as they insult their religion, have some kind of mortality behind their usually disgusting actions.
Well, just what I heard people say, and woman react. The most pathetic being (luckily it was only a one time thing), a man came up to a woman and simply said “hi” and “can I just say, you’re hot,” (well, not so elegantly), not sounding ‘perverted’ in the slightest, and she spits ‘fuck off’ at him, and marches away. Mind you, most of the time people are too busy drinking and laughing, but at one point or another, things will start to switch towards the more primitive side of the brain.
Oh, I don’t get upset at them, most of the time they are hilarious, but they can get annoying.
I’m simply a pro-lifer as, again, I don’t support hypocrisy (and we are all hypocrites in some way or another – one of mine being that I consider myself to be strong mentally, and have been told that by a few friends, but I start stuttering and getting nervous when it comes to talking to strangers).
Yeah, but the later you learn someone so importantly like that, the less you will understand/be more grossed out. Mind you, in our lessons most kids like it as they can yell genital names and boobs and not get into trouble. Such a thing can even happen in secondary school, but we should not treat kids different unless there is someone that requires that kind of attention. I never had things hidden from me, and I don’t think that we need to hide ‘dark’ or ‘adult’ things from children either. The sooner they learn about the real world the better.
Why are they called ‘shrinks’ in America? Well, to be completely honest, in my far younger days, I was…kind of for abortion, then I saw the selfishness and hypocrisy, that no, women did not just have it because they were raped, or due to incest, or because her health was at risk. It was not just ay eleven, though, as I learn more biology through the years my opinon formulated, probably at competition at about fourteen. Only three years ago, I was one of those bastards who though that men could not be abused or raped, especially by a woman. That changed when I remembered another personal scenario in my head, and wondered if I would think the same if the genders were reversed, and hence, I realized thinking that was wrong, along with, again, seeing the kinds of damage the attitude could cause. Finally, until sixteen, I thought that all public displays affection should be banned, and looking back on it, I can’t believe I was such a twat. I am open to changing my views like everyone else, but there are ones I will not just let go and look a weakling, just to please others. I grew out of that as a child.
Well, it’s more of a Glaswegian thing. Really? Where did you hail from, if you don’t mind me asking.
Well, in that situation, my mind would be demanding I don’t (you can’t really control those thoughts), but I would still do it if my throat was like that. I’d try to reduce the thoughts by wiping, hoping the person who handed me the bottle was not offended.
Well, of course, but I thought we were talking about if a man and a woman have a one night stand and she ends up pregnant.
Again, I only say such things when the arrogant attitude is displayed.
There is no way I would go through hypnosis. I can’t even sleep unless I’m alone (it’s more of a ‘what if the other person/people watches me’ thing, as I feel that is invasive and creepy).
That is understandable. I do worry about what may happen if those memories resurfaced. They could become traumatized all over again.
Well, I can sometimes and sometimes not resist wanting to eat someone nice. Sometimes, if I really want some nice, sugar-full chocolate bar, I’ll think “well, I’m going to bed soon”/”just brushed my teeth”/”it’s two in the bloody morning” and resist it. However, others times, I know I can’t and I don’t care about the consequences – my reflux flaring up, not being anyone to sleep because even that can make me hyper sometimes, but it does not matter because I felt good in that moment. I apply the same logic to sex, but people do not seem to be about to control themselves as much nowadays.
Well, one I’m allergic to animal fur and while I can handle/stroking one with my hands, if I’m near one for a prolonged period of time, my allergy can flair up (most of the time I don’t care – swollen face/itchy white rashes be damned I’m still going to hug that cat, or let my former guinea pig nibble my face). Next, I feel bad about using an animal for unecessary benefit. Finally, all cases are different. Well, she’s lucky then. I don’t mean it in a ‘OMG, a disabled person being normal!” way, but she lucky that she has the confidence and skills to do more than I can.
I tried, and I just don’t think I could go through all the personal questions and patronizing words again. It’s like the OCD, I can’t help it, and I’m sort of used to it.
I have tank tops and shorts a plenty (and me being OCD, they are all matching sets and I have to wear both of the same colours or it just feels wrong/illogical), but they certainly cover my cleavage and butt (the latter are crew necked and the former halfway to my knees) while still keeping me cool. Nothing wrong with wanting to look good though, but have you seen the length of some skirts? Heh, yeah. Mind you, I actually look forward to that week (two weeks if you’re lucky) where I can wear a t-shirt or tank top, though I still wear jeans or carpis, as well, I feel stupid about wearing shorts when I’m not abroad. And I get sunburnt easily. And I mean easily. Just this summer, I got sunburnt twice. It was not as hot as last year and I was fine then, for some reason. I envy America, Spain, Italy, France, etc for having actual summers. I like cold weather too, but as you said, that’s probably because I’m a Scot and we’re used to freezing our arses off. You should see how high the snow gets in the highlands.
Ok. I’m not saying we need to act like skrinking violets, just to be careful. That doesn’t mean a good time cannot be had.
Of course.
I know that, but it’s still not as much a virgin. Again, I’m not dumb. She does not suffer as much destruction, as much violation, as much horror as one who does not know how it feels to have something in there.
Yeah she is, or she would still be a virgin (that’s not to say I think rape victims are non-virgins, as that’s just another way to degrade them), in a relationship, married or pregnant.
Again, thanks. Even if we (as in, civilians) could have a gun in our home without being arrested, if someone broke in, I would hope threatening them with it would be enough, and if I really had to fire it, I would try aiming for their legs (obviously, any wound can be fatal, but the further away from the larger nerves and essential organs, the less the chance, right?). I would most likely miss anyway.
I’m just a pedantic person, sorry.
They are being immature. That still makes me laugh btw (Jilling off). Now I’m being immature.
Yas.
Then they can be.
I do get out plenty, as I said, but there’s not exactly much going on here. Sometimes, I even go for a simple walk, no destination/objective in mind. And my many hospital appointments mean I’m never in the house for any more than a solid few weeks, and even after that, for some reason, I don’t like going straight home, so I usually get a drink (not alcohol, of course ^_^) or looking at the shops/cinema before heading back. And as always, I almost always have someone with me.
That’s…good. Then?
Not everyone deserves kindness. Murderers, rapists, child abusers, animal abusers, and people who start off hostile for five. There are times where I still try in the last case, though.
And there are opinon that piss me off (homophobia being the most obvious, along with shaming people for not conforming to gender/racial stereotypes).We all get pissed at something. We need to get angry at some point. Then again, there’s my boyfriend. He doesn’t even get angry at his mum when she makes him do chores as a member of the household.
Well, you’re still putting someone’s organ in your mouth.
Heh heh. Well, I know when not to do so, obviously, but sometimes, a more elegant word just does not have the impact I’m looking for.
Yeah, but let’s not forgot that even a small person can abuse one larger than them. Due to being smaller than men for the most part, a lot of female abusers do tend to use weapons.
Yeah, but you could just ignore it. If you shout and protest, you are basically giving them the attention they want, but I know not everyone is like that.
Those are some good details there. You would just hope that you could trust the person you are supposed to trust (in this case, the doctor), and the sedative was probably necessary, but the doctor took advantage of that. Those kinds of situations always make shudder. However, again, you still choose to put that alcohol in your body. If I was out with friends and one get drunk, I would try to get through to their addled mind that they should go home, but if they want to make their own mistakes and go shag that person they were snogging earlier, that’s their choice. however, if said person turned out to be rapist/trafficker or something, the situation would of course be the attacker's fault (and should be put in prison for life) but the victim still put themselves into that position and did not listen to their friends, as you can’t exactly force someone to walk away. That’s how you get hit. As for the last line, yup.
Ah, I see, but law as it is, some people will still disagree. It seems to be saying that even if a drunken person consented, it’s still rape. And what if both parties were drunk? Could it be said that both were raped?
Oh, it’s just tumblr people, I’ve seen many a case in the news.
Yeah, but realistically, how many people would believe the man? How many would say he just regrets it because she was ugly or something? It’s the majority then. I’ve seen it in the news, and personally. There a particular case from a few years ago (the types of attitudes in regards to which were recorded as screenshots, but once again, even though I’ve searching for it for about half an hour now it seems to have gone). At least I found this again: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic… . Just…those comments.
I’ll note you it, since I’m not supposed to talk about it publically, nor would I.
Again, I was just displaying a general attitude. I’m not saying you think that. Yeah, even if the person was being attacked, they still should be punished for manslaughter, which is the case anyway. To be egotistical again (sorry if your getting sick of me going on about myself like some entitled bitch), even some went up to me, snatched my bag, or stuck their hand down my trousers/top, I would pull out a gun if I had it, but still do not think I could shoot. I know it’s stupid/putting myself in a bad position, but I would still chase after the person in the former case (as it’s not just that they took my belongings, but also because I’m one of those people who carries a sentimental something wherever they go). I still would not fire, though I bet I would arrested for chasing after some person with a gun in my hand.
“I’ve had it as long as I can remember, but I think it intensified after the bullying. I did get help actually, but there was not anyone they can do. They just give you tablet nowadays and ask you really invasive questions. We eventually stopped going as it just was not helping. And even thought it was on the NHS, you still had to pay, which, while being little, build up.”
That’s rather sad. I hope you find some way around it though.
“I can do the simple things, like ask for a drink, show my ID if necessary, and if someone wants to borrow one of the chairs at the table I smile and say sure, but when it comes to trying to have a conversation, most of the timeI’m plagued with thoughts that I’ll be annoying, or I’ll blurt someone stupid/random (though I tend to the latter even when on my own). I also stutter if say, I feel the need to ask someone to look out for a certain bus (as despite it being a massive vehicle, I don’t see it until it’s right there) as I think I’m being a bother even if the person agrees. I mostly go out for the cinema, festivals, and the occasional con, or simply because I wanted to send a day with Matt.”
Maybe an ice-breaker might help? It was easier for me when I went out to try (and fail) at a sport I could talk to the people around me because we had something in common. I don’t necessarily mean a sport though.
“However, there was one good situation a few months back. I was at a festival, and got to talking to this woman and her son, and it was a nice time. I love it when moments such as that happen. Everyone now and then, something like that will happen.”
Well there you go.
“*Nod* It’s one of those things that you pay attention to because of some bile fascination, like 4chan. I know this a bit of a sexist/anti-male virgin joke, but their bedsheets must be like stone.”
No comment.
“And that’s your opinon. Mine is just as valid.”
Not everyone is tolerant of other people’s opinions.
“I said that in the very paragraph. And they are being hypocrites being doing so. I’m not.”
Are you a hypocrite for refusing the advances of someone?
“Of course people are entitled to their own bodies, but that does not stop the hypocrisy of women. That extra penis/dildo/vag is not going to make any difference to her status. “
Status is irrelevant. What matters is if she was raped she has a right to complain and the perpetrator is at fault.
“Sexual women, like all sexual people, are given sexual comments, and people have no right to try and control another’s sexuality by calling their comments/advantages ‘perverted’, ‘harassment’ (HA!) or ‘unwanted’ when she already had a cock/dildo inside her, some other girl’s tongue inside her, etc.”
They aren’t controlling someone’s sexuality (unless the person has something wrong with him and can’t keep his or her mitts to himself, in which case s/he needs to be kept away!). And they DO have a right to complain, and it IS perverted. You wouldn’t say this about a child or your Mum or a guy so why say it to them? Do you realise how disturbed this is? Do you realise how SICK “she can’t complain about rape it’s hypocrisy” is? People have a right to choose. It’s a basic right along with the right to eat and breathe and sleep and speak. You don’t want people to say you shouldn’t say no if someone wanted to do that to you, so why do you say it to anyone else?
“I just said. She only had sex for the purpose of reproduction. She was not throwing herself at men for pleasure, and then acting like a hypocrite. There was very good reason she and my father broke up and even after her she never left me at home or something to go pursue another men.”
So in other words, you got nothing. No evidence to say she is never any sort of sexual being. No little barrier in her mind or otherwise which prevents her from ever, ever thinking dirty thoughts or craving something to touch her down there. Nothing to stop her from ever dreaming dirty dirty dreams like every other woman at night.
“Huh, Viagra for women. How does that work? Just make her more lubricated/increase lust?”
etc…. Now WHY would they make aphrodisiacs for women? Could it be …*GASP* non-virgins actually have PROBLEMS trying to get aroused? What, you think non-virgins everywhere have this;
A disorder. Think of that. Something that doesn’t affect the 90% or so women who at one time or another got off for pleasure. The hypersexuality only affects 3-6% of the population of the US. So could it be… being a non-virgin DOESN’T make you a sex-crazed maniac who says yes all the time? The evidence is right there.
“I am not ‘self-loathing’. And they are not Catholic, but, again, extremist arseholes.”
Hey, some of my friends are self-loathing catholics. What makes them extremist? They’re only critical of themselves not so much others.
“Well, they are funny. My views may be extreme, but I know I’m not as bad as that. They go further than I ever could. I fucking hate homophobes, as you know, and would call someone out on that opinion, but I also realize they probably got such a common intolerance from someone else, so I can’t really blame them.”
The best thing to do in such cases is try to reason with them why they are wrong, IMHO.
“It’s a hard thing to explain for anyone, but when you know, you know. Another funny little thing I found out a few months ago was this. On a 3DS, you can pick a ‘life goal’, and his was to get married and mine was…be a hero (well, I do, sometimes ). I would bet he gets teased for too Like an idiot, I asked who he would want to marry and he replied, “you, you idiot.” I was never really that observant in that area. Even during the two/one and half years (from fifth year) he was in love them me, in typical romcom fashion, I did not think for a second that it was me, especially because he asked for advise on how to confess (I just said, don’t do anything cheesy or announce it in public), and he claimed the girl was in the year above us (I suppose he was just waiting for the right moment – after prom). I just had to think about it for a while before by mind click and went “Hol, you like him too!”.So cheesy, right? Though it kind of compromises my “men and women can be platonic friends and without having to get together” opinon).”
Yeah those things happen.
“Ah, sorry, I was actually trying to explain what cannot be explained in that very…rant.”
You can only try your best. If I missed something sorry.
“Yup. And it’s also interesting to see the different kinds.”
Yep
“It’s just that temper of mine. I’ve honestly never seen him get angry in the entire ten years we’ve know each other. He just laughs things off. He always had to restrain me when I lashed out at me bullies, as I just could not understand that ‘hitting them back makes you just as bad’. I have tried taking deep breaths for a while though, but sometimes you can’t fight that typical Glaswegian rage.”
This is also something else therapy can help you with.
“ Ok, ok, I see what you mean, I can compare it to me feeling free of my bullies (sorry I keep selfishly comparing situations to my life, but it helps me understand more; that’s not bad, is it?). She is just going to latch on physically to another man (but perhaps not emotionally) so it is still a bit silly. I didn’t go from getting bullied to, say, being a masochist.”
No no I don’t mind if you compare it to things in your life. What’s a masochist got to do with it?
“Yes, but bragging out it and to trying to shove that activity down everyone’s throats can be damaging, or simply be seen as annoying.”
Is this tumbler you’re complaining about again?
“Because I know I would be a hypocrite since I would be perfectly comfortable with it being elsewhere.”
I don’t think everyone has this sentiment, or at least I don’t. I would prefer it nowhere on my body. And away… far away. Like in his pants where it’s supposed to be. Or I’d call the cops.
“Oh, a tank top, fine, but men don’t wear boob-tubes (though midriff tops for men are apparently in style) so why should woman? And don’t woman have to wear sports bras so the girls don’t bounce and get painful? It’s still as bad in a normal bra. That’s why I don’t get why women’s sports uniforms are always more far revealing then men’s. I was told it was someone to do with them being able to move faster, but I know that’s rubbish.”
Boob-tubes allow added vent space for your cleavage in hot weather more so than a tank-top. (Okay TMI I know). Also you can get away with wearing a bra as you can get them with small straps (some women do it anyway if the straps aren’t there I’ve noticed). Or you can get strapless bras (that’s what I wore when I wore my dress to my formal)
“But it’s not ‘lewd’. Yes, it’s a bit too upfront, but not ‘lewd’ and hitting him is uncalled for. They would not have attacked you. I wouldn’t attack them. I’d just walk away. More effective, I think.”
You wouldn’t be bothered by what some people might say, no matter how threatening? If someone threatened you, you’d just walk away?
“Yeah, and everyone is like that. Even if I saw some old person wonder by in a speedo I would still keep it too myself. And I’m not self-conscious in a bikini either (well, I do worry about getting comments about how skinny I am), as I remember that everyone is dressed like that too, and I’m too busy having fun too .”
No-one I met said much about old guys/ skinny guys in speedos. Probably doesn’t come into the conversation much as like you people would be having fun.
“I’m not against her, but I can’t hold her to different ideas just because I love her. That would be hypocritical, surely? However, as I said, she is not really like that as she was married/only did it for two babies.”
But what if your opinions hurt her? Different opinions are one thing, but to say she can’t complain when she’s raped? That would be wrong to do, especially to your own Mum.
“It’s not for her ‘approval’. I have my own opinon because I am my own person and I’m not going to bow down and accept the selfish, sheep-like opinon of the majority, as the majority are being selfish and bratty.”
And yet more often than not the majority are proven right… and that’s WHY it’s the majority.
“Of course I would feel bad for them. I have emotions. But I still would not think it was as bad a virgin, but I did come across some woman who was sobbing and wailing about what she had just been through, I know I would stop and try to help her, instead of falling to Bystander Syndrome.”
Well that’s something at least.
“Meh.”
Meh?
“Well, fine, again, so long as no-one is arrogant about it. Yes, pride is our nature, but just like selfishness, we, as humans, have to set limits.”
Okay so it’s fine. That’s something also.
“Because it’s hypocritical. Would anyone say a former thief can complain about being robbed? Someone, say, who pesters another person for a certain thing, and turns around and complains when they are given the same treatment? A racist complain about racism against them? If so, then a non-virgin with her arrogant, oppressive attitude has no right to complain about sexual attention. I did not just ‘wake up and suddenly think it’. It came to through my learning, and realizing the hypocrisy. It’s not like I would act as if I’m an exception. I hold myself to the same standards. That is the simple reasoning.”
Once again, and I’ve said this, consensual sex is not a form of harm to either party. Why are you still comparing it to things like stealing or being racist? It’s still like someone giving someone a gift and you saying they can’t complain when someone punches them in the face for it.
“Yup. If someone is willing do it because they think it makes a good career, then that is stupid, and basically one step below a porn star (but if they what they want, so be it, so be it). As for those who have no choice?
Much I feel there are always other options (for me, it’s literally shit-covered sewers) and she is basically saying that, as a woman, this is the only choice, it’s still out of a desire to keep herself, or more often, her loved ones, alive and fed.”
Okay
“Oh indeed, that makes me shiver, especially when people are kidnapped from their holidays or homes. And people don’t realize there are a lot of boys forced into that too.”
Bleargh. It makes me barf.
“You can’t decide whether an accident is going to happen or not. And you would hope they had used all the safety features.”
The contraceptives ARE the safety feature that people use.
“Of course, but some of them are just born into that, and that is all they know.”
Again that varies. Some people are, some people aren’t. some people are right, some people are wrong, some are inbetween. What matters is that everyone keeps on learning.
“Yup. I hate the corruption, paedophilia and denial of aids as much as anyone else. And there are pedos in the Protestant churches as well. I follow science as much as I do my religion and God. Ok, feel free to laugh, but I’m an Old Earth Creationist (though in the way of believing that God initiated the Big Bang). I know it’s their choice to believe it, but I just do not understand why some people still think the earth is only six thousand years old and that fossils are a ‘test of our faith’. However, the WBC is most definitely black. There is not a single good moral behind their actions. Even extremists, much as they insult their religion, have some kind of mortality behind their usually disgusting actions.”
This is another can of worms I’d rather avoid.
“Well, just what I heard people say, and woman react. The most pathetic being (luckily it was only a one time thing), a man came up to a woman and simply said “hi” and “can I just say, you’re hot,” (well, not so elegantly), not sounding ‘perverted’ in the slightest, and she spits ‘fuck off’ at him, and marches away. Mind you, most of the time people are too busy drinking and laughing, but at one point or another, things will start to switch towards the more primitive side of the brain.”
Not that I’d know since I wasn’t there but it sounds like she probably had a bad day and wanted to be left alone. Crass as it was she told him to go away and I doubt it was anything personal towards the guy. This isn't complaining about advances this is just someone not wanting to be approached.
“Oh, I don’t get upset at them, most of the time they are hilarious, but they can get annoying.”
Riiiight.
“I’m simply a pro-lifer as, again, I don’t support hypocrisy (and we are all hypocrites in some way or another – one of mine being that I consider myself to be strong mentally, and have been told that by a few friends, but I start stuttering and getting nervous when it comes to talking to strangers). “
I don’t think you quite get hypocrisy.
“Yeah, but the later you learn someone so importantly like that, the less you will understand/be more grossed out. Mind you, in our lessons most kids like it as they can yell genital names and boobs and not getting into trouble. Such a thing can even happen in secondary school, but we should not treat kids different unless there is someone that requires that kind of attention. I never had things hidden from me, and I don’t think that we need to hide ‘dark’ or ‘adult’ things from children either. The sooner they learn about the real world the better.”
I am not a parent nor a teacher and as such can’t say much about what age kids should learn this.
“Why are they called ‘shrinks’ in America? Well, to be completely honest, in my far younger days, I was…kind of for abortion, then I saw the selfishness and hypocrisy, that no, women did not just get because they were raped, or due to incest, or because her health was at risk. It was not just ay eleven, though, as I learn more biology through the years my opinon formulated, probably at competition at about fourteen. Only three years ago, I was one of those bastards who though that men could not be abused or raped, especially by a woman. That changed when I remembered another personal scenario in my head, and wondered if I would think the same if the genders were reversed, and hence, I realized thinking that was wrong, along with, again, seeing the kinds of damage the attitude could cause. Finally, until sixteen, I thought that all public displays affection should be banned, and looking back on it, I can’t believe I was such a twat. I am open to change my views like everyone else, but there are ones I will not just let go and look a weakling, just to please others. I grew out of that as a child.”
And now you are one who says non-virgins can’t be raped...... :/
At least you’re learning though. But I think you can improve. Like considering with the genders changed; What if someone said non-virgin males can’t be raped? That if a guy does something he can’t complain if a woman rapes him? That if a guy has consensual sex he’s wrong to call a woman abusing/ raping him a “pervert”. Would that be a wrong thing to say? Why or why not? Reverse the genders again. Don’t you think that attitude can also cause damage too?
“Well, it’s more of a Glaswegian thing. Really? Where did you hail from, if you don’t mind me asking.”
I am from Australia. Born and raised. My Father comes from Falkirk.
“Well, in that situation, my mind would be demanding I don’t (you can’t really control those thoughts), but I would still do it if my throat was like that. I’d try to reduce the thoughts by wiping, hoping the person who handed me the bottle was not offended.”
This is also something that varies from person to person.
“Well, of course, but I thought we were talking about if a man and a woman have a one night stand and she ends up pregnant.”
Most of the time (at least IMO) a one-night stander would have some form of contraceptive since the whole reason they’re into the one-night thing is they’re not into commitment. (besides there’s always fellatio etc which won’t get you pregnant). But if they’re careless and don’t use contraceptives then yeah, it is stupid of them.
“Again, I only say such things when the arrogant attitude is displayed.”
Tumbler again?
“There is no way I would go through hypnosis. I can’t even sleep unless I’m alone (it’s more of a ‘what if the other person/people watches me’ thing, as I feel that is invasive and creepy).
That is understandable. I do worry about what may happen if those memories resurfaced. They could become traumatized all over again.”
That would be a downside to it, I guess. Hypnosis never bothered me. Besides people have this thing which wakes them up if they’re told to do or say something off
“Well, I can sometimes and sometimes not resist wanting to eat someone nice. Sometimes, if I really want some nice, sugar-full chocolate bar, I’ll think “well, I’m going to bed soon”/”just brushed my teeth”/”it’s two in the bloody morning” and resist it. However, others times, I know I can’t and I don’t care about the consequences – my reflux flaring up, not being anyone to sleep because even that can make me hyper sometimes, but it does not matter because I felt good in that moment. I apply the same logic to sex, but people do not seem to be about to control themselves as much nowadays.”
Yeah, but, what if you were never allowed to enjoy that chocolate bar, or any chocolate, ever again? Never. For the rest of your life.
“Well, one I’m allergic to animal fur and while I can handle/stroking one with my hands, if I’m near one for a prolonged period of time, my allergy can flair up (most of the time I don’t care – swollen face/itchy white rashes be damned I’m still going to hug that cat, or let my former guinea pig nibble my face). Next, I feel bad about using an animal for unecessary benefit. Finally, all cases are different. Well, she’s lucky then. I don’t mean it in a ‘OMG, a disabled person being normal!” way, but she lucky that she has the confidence and skills to do more than I can.”
I’ve had allergies to animal fur. I’ve been allergic to fur, pollen, grass, dust, milk, eggs, yeast… Never stopped me.
“I tried, and I just don’t think I could go through all the personal questions and patronizing words again. It’s like the OCD, I can’t help it, and I’m sort of used to it. “
The mind is like a body sometimes only once it is analysed can it be fixed.
“I have tank tops and shorts a plenty (and me being OCD, they are all matching sets and I have to wear both of the same colours or it just feels wrong/illogical), but they certainly cover my cleavage and butt (the latter are crew necked and the former halfway to my knees) while still keeping me cool. Nothing wrong with wanting to look good though, but have you seen the length of some skirts? Heh, yeah. Mind you, I actually look forward to that week (two weeks if you’re lucky) where I can wear a t-shirt or tank top, though I still wear jeans or carpis, as well, I feel stupid about wearing shorts when I’m not aboard. And I get sunburnt easily. And I mean easily. Just this summer, I got sunburnt twice. It was not as hot as last year and I was fine then, for some reason. I envy America, Spain, Italy, France, etc for having actual summers. I like cold weather too, but as you said, that’s probably because I’m a Scot and we’re used to freezing our arses off. You should see how high the snow gets in the highlands.”
I’ve been told. But yeah, “one or two weeks?”, it’s already in the 30’s here and it’s only just the beginning of October. It’ll stay like that or higher until at least March.
And you should wear what you want to wear. Just as I am arguing for anyone else wearing what they want to, so should you. Like if some gang went up and bashed you for your choice of clothing (maybe it was too nerdy just as an example) why should you let that control your choice of attire? Same with the girls who wear skirts. It wouldn’t be your fault if someone bashed you they should learn to buzz off and it wouldn’t be the girl in the skirt’s fault.
“Ok. I’m not saying we need to act like skrinking violets, just to be careful. That doesn’t mean a good time cannot be had.”
There’s being careful which is understandable. Then there’s people saying you have to be stuck at home in a hijab.
“I know that, but it’s still not as much a virgin. Again, I’m not dumb. She does not suffer as much destruction, as much violation, as much horror as one who does not know how it feels to have something in there.”
Once again, I’m not going to nit-pick here, again, you’re at least acknowledging that she has indeed suffered. They all suffer, it’s all bad.
“Yeah she is, or she would still be a virgin (that’s not to say I think rape victims are non-virgins, as that’s just another way to degrade them), in a relationship, married or pregnant.”
When it comes to being rape? She isn’t. The whole POINT of rape is it being non-consensual aka the girl (or guy) not being interested. And just because a girl has had some sort of sexual activity at some point in her life doesn’t mean she will forever be interested in sex. The feeling stops, just like hunger or thirst or needing to pee. You don’t continually feel hunger or thirst. You get relief then life goes on. You’ve had so many people who have gone through it tell you it isn’t constant why ignore the facts?
“Again, thanks. Even if we (as in, civilians) could have a gun in our home without being arrested, if someone broke in, I would hope threatening them with it would be enough, and if I really had to fire it, I would try aiming for their legs (well, of course, any wound can be fatal, but the further away from the larger nerves and essential organs, the less the chance, right?). I would most likely miss anyway.”
If a threat is what’s required for protection it can be achieved just as well with a fake gun or a gun with blanks.
“I’m just a pedantic person, sorry.”
It’s a bit silly. What has anyone got to gain from a “my life sucks more than yours” competition?
“They are being immature. That still makes me laugh btw (Jilling off). Now I’m being immature.”
On the contrary one (usual) mental change after a loss of virginity is to become more mature. (BTW It’s an old slang it’s been around for a while you know.)
“Then they can be.”
Not many people get on well in life with a lot of people feeling rage at them. I should know.
“I do get out plenty, as I said, but there’s not exactly much going on here. Sometimes, I even go for a simple walk, no destination/objective in mind. And my many hospital appointments mean I’m never in the house for any more than a solid few weeks, and even after that, for some reason, I don’t like going straight home, so I usually get a drink (not alcohol, of course ^_^) or looking at the shops/cinema before heading back. And as always, I almost always have someone with me.”
But like you said there’s not much going on there. I meant to go meet new people, make new friends. There’s always a plus in getting friends.
“That’s…good. Then?”
Beating someone who’s innocent Is never good.
“Not everyone deserves kindness. Murderers, rapists, child abusers, animal abusers, and people who start off hostile for five. There are times where I still try in the last case, though.”
While that is true it is (meant to be) the Christian way to forgive those who have wronged us. Can’t say it’s easy given that list, and it’s tempting to be cruel to them back. But revenge is the one thing that causes hypocrisy.
“And there are opinon that piss me off (homophobia being the most obvious, along with shaming people for not conforming to gender/racial stereotypes).We all get pissed at something. We need to get angry at some point. Then again, there’s my boyfriend. He doesn’t even get angry at his mum when she makes him do chores as a member of the household.”
Why would someone get angry at being made to do that? That’s something everyone has to do, especially when you become independent.
“Well, you’re still putting someone’s organ in your mouth.”
I guess it’s not an end to virginity because it’s usually judged by a hymen breaking. IDK it’s just what I’ve gone by people saying.
“Heh heh. Well, I know when not to do so, obviously, but sometimes, a more elegant word just does not have the impact I’m looking for.”
Well fuck.
“Yeah, but let’s not forgot that even a small person can abuse one larger than them. Due to being smaller than men for the most part, a lot of female abusers do tend to use weapons.”
That’s also true.
“Yeah, but you could just ignore it. If you shout and protest, you are basically giving them they attention they want, but I know not everyone is like that.”
That’s true. Doesn’t stop the wolf-whistling from being out-dated and cheap.
“Those are some good details there. You would just hope that you could trust the person you are supposed to trust (in this case, the doctor), and the sedative was probably necessary, but the doctor took advantage of that. Those kinds of situations always make shudder. However, again, you still choose to put that alcohol in your body. If I was out with friends and one get drunk, I would try to get through to their addled mind that they should go home, but if they want to make their own mistakes and go shag that person they were snogging earlier, that’s their choice. however, if said person turned out to be rapist/trafficker or something, the situation would of course be their fault (and should be put in prison for life) but they still put themselves into that position and did not listen to their friends, as you can’t exactly force someone to walk away. That’s how you get hit. As for the last line, yup.”
Once again, we always put ourselves into dangerous positions. It is part of life we must face or risk not living at all.
“Ah, I see, but law as it is, some people will still disagree. It seems to be saying that even if a drunken person consented, it’s still rape. And what if both parties were drunk? Could it be said that both were raped? “
Once again, with the degree of alcohol being taken, what the jury and judge decides, it depends. If they’re both drunk I don’t think it is wrong. Stupid, but not wrong
“Oh, it’s just tumblr people, I’ve seen many a case in the news.”
I’ve seen some things in the news too. There was one case I saw a year or so back…
I think that’s the one…Looks like the girl I saw on the news. And it is bad. But there are also a lot of rapes that happen for real in the news and that also pisses me off.
“Yeah, but realistically, how many people would believe the man? How many would say he just regrets it because she was ugly or something? It’s the majority then. I’ve seen it in the news, and personally. There a particular case from a few years ago (the types of attitudes in regards to which were recorded as screenshots, but once again, even though I’ve searching for it for about half an hour now it seems to have gone). At least I found this again:www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic…@ . Just…those comments. “
Idiots. That is rather disappointing. (you also get idiots spouting bullshit when there’s an article regarding a rape of a woman too).
“I’ll note you it, since I’m not supposed to talk about it publically, nor would I.”
Understandable. Feel free to note me.
“Again, I was just displaying a general attitude. I’m not saying you think that. Yeah, even if the person was being attacked, they still should be punished for manslaughter, which is the case anyway. To be egotistical again (sorry if your getting sick of me going on about myself like some entitled bitch), even some went up to me, snatched my bag, or stuck their hand down my trousers/top, I would pull out a gun if I had it, but still do not think I could shoot. I know it’s stupid/putting myself in a bad position, but I would still chase after the person in the former case (as it’s not just that they took my belongings, but also because I’m one of those people who carries a sentimental something wherever they go). I still would not fire, though I bet I would arrested for chasing after some person with a gun in my hand.”
As I said, I’m used to it, but I am continuing to slowly build my confidence.
Well do people mean by ice-breaker? I always envision some awkward joke, or if someone says something regarding a subject I’m interested in, then I could go up and try to strike up a conversation. However, nowadays when you do that, you are looked at you’re a weirdo or creep. You can’t even say ‘good morning’ to your neighbours without them looking at you like you’re going to attack them or something (I always seen good morning to my neighbours in my former flat as I headed out to school, and would often have silence in response). Only two, my next door neighbour, and this old woman who always passed me in the morning would say it back, or say it first. She and I even had conversations, as she knew I had to stand out there for a while. I also remember her dog, he was a lovely little thing. We ran into each other a lot, actually, when going back and forth in our trips.
More will happen, I’m sure.
And again I prove I just cannot do comedy .
I do my best too, but like everyone else, I have my limit. I just have a thicker skin than some, as egotistical as that is to say.
No, because once more, I have not done said action with one person and suddenly not ok with doing the same with another. The same goes for all virgins.
She is just less hurt. It is still far less of a crime.
It is only ‘perverted’ when the person receiving those comments are themselves not sexual, have not flirted themselves, or had similar thoughts, regardless of whether they said it aloud or not. Everyone in the world, no matter their orientation, married, pregnant, etc, will receive a sexual comment at some point or another. Again, virgins have a right to complain if they don’t want that sexual attention to their non-sexually-active status. Again, there is little to no difference between the body of a sexual or non-sexual man. And even though they will have had sex before that those sessions that were intended for reproduction, I think that sexualizing a pregnant woman is rather disgusting as well, though more because she is carrying a child within her (no, I’m not one of those people who thinks a child in the womb can be ‘tainted’, but it just seems wrong).Women choose when they say ‘yes’. Again, I’m not a hypocrite.
She is not some party girl. She respects herself.
There’s no need to act like a smartarse. I know they have problems getting aroused. That’s why Viagra exists in the first place. However, lack of arousal could also imply some form of asexuality. Oh wait, but if they already had sex and still want it, but just can get the body to react physically, then I guess they are just sexual. A man who can’t get it up still is a sexual man, after all. I don’t think it’s wrong to take it, as plenty of people take things far worse (but like sex, have the right to do).
Loathing yourself is not a healthy thing to do. I dislike certain parts of my body/mind, but I do hate anything about myself. That just leads to more unhappiness in one’s life.
They should loathe the fundamentalists, not themselves.
Yeah. I mean, I just don’t understand how anyone can hate homosexuals, and the ‘because God/the bible says so’ is just a cop-out to me. The other common reason is ‘because men and women are made for each other, and fit together’. That’s true, in a biological sense, yes, but, if men were not designed to have anal sex, then why does the male g-spot exist? More importantly, if it is so ‘unnatural’, why does it exist in the animal kingdom, and why is science proving it is not some ‘mental illness’ (well, to that response, the more extreme believe that science is spreading lies and propaganda, but this is people who take the bible literally word for word here)? The same goes for asexuality. Sure, as far as I know, that does not exist in the animal kingdom, but that does not chance that some people are just like that. If one could have a reduced sex drive as they age, or not be attracted/repulsed by some things sexually, then why can someone be without any sex drive from day one or never be sexual attracted to anyone? There are some that use science to say that because it is some ‘deficiency’, it is a form of illness as well (someone on this very journal said this, and myself not included, her reasons were protested).
Hypersexuality is nothing more than an excuse for one’s promiscuity/inability to control oneself. If having no sex drive is not a biological/mental problem, then neither is a large sex drive.
Ack, sorry for another rant. As you want with my opinions, I just want an answer I can understand.
So, it’s ok, then? Even though I was as thick as clotted cream?
Well, it’s my fault to, since I go on and on so much. If I had the confidence I would I would good at speeches (well, I could write them for others) due to how much I can say and that I can enjoy writing.
:Nod:.
Well, it just feels so patronizing to me.
Well, going from trying to avoid violence and belittlement to enjoying it.
No, no, again, just in general.
But again I’m not a hypocrite. That is the simple reason.
There’s never too much information. I’m not easily disgusted in that regard . I understand now, but it is a bit excessive. Strapless things are always a bit worrisome as a garment (that’s just me though) consider the only things keeping it up are elastic or the girls themselves. I’ve even read in this book I got about puberty (that was always mum’s solution to awkward/adult questions when I was younger – give me a book on it and if it is not enough, answer; the only exception was regarding a certain time of the month) that larger breasted women tend to avoid straps due to, ahem, weight/size causing them to dig into their shoulders. On the other hand, some people just would feel embarrassed. I know this is hypocritical, but while I think there is no problem with women going topless, breast feeding in public (if the wain is hungry, she would be a bad parent for letting them cry because other people think it is ‘disgusting’) or that a wardrobe malfunction, is not something to laugh at, I would not have my boobs out. I understand that boobs, like full nudity are not inherently sexual, but I would still feel so self-conscious.
As I said, if they started trying to do anything physical I would fight them off, however, I am paranoid enough about what people think of me, so I don’t need to add that to the list.
Yeah, but every now and then there’s that one prick.
I would not claim she was not raped. I would support her.
But these are just opinon. We’re not talking about something such as evolution here.
I would just try to be as helpful and kind as I can do to as many as possible. Even though I know I’m not good at fighting, if I saw someone striking someone (even if I later found out it was self-defence), I would still step up to them and ask what the hell the person doing the hitting was doing. If I were so brave, I would even step in to fend off the blows to the victim, but that would be stupidity rather than heroism/bravery. If they continued to strike the person, I would call the police (I would not say the second part out loud, as that’s how you get hit). Even then, if it’s a woman hitting a man, sadly, some polices will just call it is a ‘tiff’ or non-issue, but if he were to defend himself, he’s the one in handcuffs. A good example of this was a CCTV show I used to watch. A woman was beating and slapping her boyfriend (they had gotten into an argument) and he had his hands up to fend off the blows. Eventually, he gets fed up and grabs the woman’s wrists to stop her hitting him. Immediately, a group of passers by who had been watching the situation jump on the man, pull him to the ground and start punching and kicking him. The incident was reported to the police and guess what happened? On the show, the narrator even goes ‘he should learn to treat women better’.
Luckily, I’ve not encountered such a situation in person. Yet. Well, does have to separate two friends, in primary school, whose argument went too far count?
Just saying if that’s what you think, very well then.
Um…thanks?
Because it is still a similar act. Yes, rape is about power, not sex, but if it is still a sexual act, regardless of pre-meditated intent or an inability to control oneself. As for that analogy, I’m a bit confused.
I simply just worry about those who have no choice.
There’s just no words to describe people who do that, just repulsed actions of the body.
But again, that’s a pretty damn big risk. And again, it’s another person’s life we are talking about. A life that has done nothing wrong, and is being punished simply for existing.
Indeed.
Ok.
Fair enough. The man would have not have known that.
No, I’m being honest. It’s like 4chan. On the one hand, you can’t believe the kinds of insanity you see, but on the other, it’s funny that people like that actually exist.
It can be in the form of doing/thinking something that you think others should not, usually in the context of you somehow being exempt, or you could do something while knowing it is highly likely to result and an undesired (much as it is disgusting to call pregnancy that) result, and then complain when that results happens/get away from it without having to deal with the consequences.
I just don’t think we should try children as delicate or thick-minded.
Again, it’s just logical to me.
Of course, but again, a man is not being a hypocrite because sex does not has as much a physical effect on men. I’m not saying it’s this big, giant change in woman, but still significant. She’s that kind of adult when it happens (I don’t mean in ‘if you don’t have sex ever, you’re a child forever’ kind of way), and needs to responsibility, as that adult.
Sorry. Still, cool, though.
Yes. However, when it comes to OCD/Anxiety, there is just nothing you can do about those thoughts. Consciously, rationally, you know it’s stupid, you know you’re being paranoid, but you just can’t help it, as those thoughts won’t shut up until you do. You can do your best to ignore that, but that is a stress in itself.
Ok then, but she’s still trying to escape the result of her choice.
No, this site as well and a few others.
Yeah, but the hypnotist is entirely in charge of the person’s mind when they are under.
I would be miserable. I know I don’t need it, but I would miss the nice feeling it gives me, and the taste. However, unless I was fat, no one would judge me about eating chocolate.
Wow. That is a lot. Well, as I said, same here. Rashes/swelling/wheezing is worth seeing a beautiful sight of nature or having that fuzzy feeling when you stroke or hug a pet.
Well, perhaps people are researching OCD/OCPD somewhere? I mean, obviously research is how a condition is discovered in the first place
Lucky sod. I’m not sure of the exact temperature here, but in below the teens according to the news. Then again, it’s Australia, so your seasons are in different months due to being the southern hemisphere. You celebrate Christmas in the sun. Do you still get bombarded with snowy-adverts though, despite the weather?
Well, it being called nerdy has happened. I get the ‘why the hell are you wearing a waistcoat/turtleneck’ type comment sometimes, or worry that people will think I’m a hipster because I have a penance for fedoras. I agree with you, but sadly, it is natural they humans react and judge visually, as much as we don’t want to.
Yes, and they are oppression, dark ages arseholes. They should wear a full robe to avoid some woman/man eyeing their body, in that case.
I’m not saying it’s not.
Again, I’m not saying that’s the case, but it is not make what she done in the past not count. It still happened and will always be there
It just seems illogical and hypocritical to me.
You can be arrested for carrying replicas around. Thieves and muggers use them to intimidate, so that means no one can use them -_-.
No, but it’s just the way I think. I would not be so pathetic as to be one of those people.
Yeah, but that’s still unfair to asexual people or people just not interested in sex. I think I’m mature because I don’t take drugs, smoke or get drunk, and have good interests/hobbies.
Ok. Also, at the con, I was good at talking with people as well. That could be because was a social place of people with shared interests, so there’s plenty to talk about. And Matt plus two other friends were there.
No, no, that’s not what I meant.
Yes, that is true, and I respect people who are capable of that, I consider them strong for having the power to do that, but when it comes the types of ‘people’ I listed, I cannot forgive that. You harm an innocent child or animal, or violate someone’s body, or take another’s life entirely? You are a sick creature.
Well, some people just think they are being used for free labour. I’m not without household duties as well, but it’s only simple things, like taking out the recycling (hey, government, are you going to say that that means I can work?), keeping my room tidy (that is a easy task though, everything has a place and goes back there when not being used) and I always clean the bath after I use it. Well, by ‘clean’ I mean I wish it down with water and a sponge.
Yeah, that’s true. Religion still does go by the hymen thing, even if science has proved otherwise.
Yes, like that. ‘Oh dear’/’oh no’ just does not give that sense of ‘I’m in a really bad situation’, does it?
I just feel it is more silly than harassment.
Indeed. There is just a limit, as with most things.
Ah, ok.
Well, that’s refreshing at least. She got away scott free.
It’s bad regardless of gender, indeed. These attitudes just make me want to puke. I also found this: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic…who would say this if the genders were reversed? I’m really getting tired of saying that. Even the title of the article implies disbelief.
Well, yes, but that is another side to burglary/mugging – the thief does not understand that some of those possessions they stole held emotional value.
I think I accidently deleted your other comment, so before I reply to this one, I'll reply to it here:
Ok, first off, the whole ‘women are weaker than man physically’ is a poor never-sound excuse (and adds to the “men can’t be raped” ‘argument’). Secondly, cat-calling/wolf-whistling when that woman is a non-virgin. It is words and noises, and men have a right to their sexuality, to find someone attractive. It is ‘rape’ or ‘harassment’.
Thirdly, unless a person is having that alcohol forced down their throat, they chose to drink it, to put themselves in that position. People say that no matter what the woman did not, a drunken man raped a woman if he had sex with her, whether she was drunk or not, so men are responsible for their actions when drunk, but not women? Also a man is even more vulnerable in that situation, because, even if she consented, she can call it rape regardless of her status (drunk or sober), and will be one hundred percent believed. Again, another example of the ‘everything is men’s fault’ mentality.
I know both generally (I’ve watched documentaries and news reports) and personally of the kinds of destruction a false rape allegation can bring upon a man (a long story, that one).
Yes, there are people who will not care what you do or who you are and still attack, but again, that’s just life.
As for attacking, that is a point, however, it depends on whether one is allowed to carry such weapons, again there would be a double standard – a woman can spray a man for so much as wolf whistling (or, in a recent case case, punch him for making a joke which was not even directed at her, and that is seen as normal, even praised as a ‘feminist’ action, the main contributor in that being Tumblr, of course). However, if a man were to turn around and punch/spray a woman for making advantages on him, he would be called a bastard, an abuser, a misogynist, who does not understand how ‘lucky’ he is.
BTW, upon the previous comment, sorry about the far more than usual mistakes. I really don’t know what happened there.
It's not a big deal if a woman has had a penis in her either. Simple as that. Don't have double standards, it makes you a hypocrite. Doesn't matter if they're the opposite gender or not, he's being penetrated so by your logic, he's submissive and weak. If it applies to women, it applies to men. That's what equality is, my dear. I choose who gets to touch me and have sex with me. Nobody else.
It's not fine at all for a man to approach a woman and tell her he wants to fuck her. I don't know what kind of miso country you live in but here in the states, that's sexual harassment and they can be charged for it. Even if he is attracted to me, he still needs to behave like a mature person and respect me as a person. If he wants to poletely come up to me and tell me that he thinks I'm well dressed or that I look good, then fine. But if he comes up to me and tells me he wants to bend me over the bench and pound me, I'm going to have a problem with that as most people will. That is way over the line. You are the hypocrite, my dear. You want women to dress like you or you want women to be subjected to harassment because you don't like how they dress. You think women deserve harassment because they don't follow your ideals. How extremely conceited of you. It's not objectifying themselves for dressing appropriately for the weather. A woman shouldn't have to wear pants or capris and a t shirt when it's near 100 and a tanktop and shorts would be far more suitable just because men can't behave themselves. That's very old school islamic of you to believe that. Yes you would be a hypocrite for complaining about men cat calling and such because you are in shorts and a tanktop. You are no more better than nonvirgin women. You are not entitled to special treatment and exemptions. You are not special.
I didn't say it was another persons job to look after another person but it's everybody's job to behave like moral adults when somebody is acting the fool. Just because one person is acting the fool, that doesn't give another person the right or the go-ahead to act the fool either. If one guy is acting the fool and throwing rocks at windows, that doesn't make it okay for the other person to join in as well. They don't necessarily have to correct the other person but they should not join them either. Nobody has to tell the person getting drunk to stop drinking or to not do something but they don't have to get drunk and act the fool either. Of course it would be moral thing to do and try to help somebody before they got into trouble, but I guess you dont' think people should help people. Some mistakes shouldn't be learned the hard way. Would you let a tot play with a gun and let them risk shooting themselves because 'some lessons are better learned the hard way?" No? Why not? Even if it wasn't a gun and it was just a beer you wouldn't stand around and let them drink it, would you? Why not? A drunk person is only as sensical as a tot. That philosophy of yours is very flawed.
I don't know if I should laugh at you or laugh very hard at you. I'll do both. Okay, now back to the point. You keep whining about 'waaah I'm just voicing my opinion!' when you're not just doing that but you are being bigoted and hateful. You are hatemongering and hateslinging. You are a very hateful person. And you, aaasss uuuusuuaaaall are being very histrionic about non virgins and what you so hilariously incorrectly think they believe. You have your own personal stereotype on nonvirgins and you use the most hyperbolic ideals you can think of. We nonvirgin women don't think we're all perfect and liberated any more than you virgins think you all are queens and entitled to the best things anyplace has to offer. Yeah but if you did that then they went about your neighborhood and other motorists calling them stupid, reckless, selfish ignorant twats who doesn't deserve a car or respect..you'd have a problem with that, especially if they came to you and began to berate you and insist that you are a lesser being than them just because you drive like a idiot. If somebody were to make a racket about nonvirgins being arrogant, selfish, control freaks, you'd have an issue with it. What's so hard to understand about that, 'misogynist'?
There you again yet again with your ill contrived assumptions. If assumptions were nickels you'd be able to afford a quality education. We know you do other things, we just don't fucking care. What we care about is how you go around demonizing nonvirgins because you don't understand sexuality. You don't personally do it or enjoy it so you go around vilifying everybody else who does. I fucking hate MLP. I don't understand the obsession and I don't enjoy it but I don't go around vilifying the bronies and pegasisters. I'm intelligent enough to know that a whole group of people is not to be judged by their worse member, unlike you. You claim to know of these things but you really don't or else you wouldn't hold these disgusting views of yours. You wouldn't be a rape apologist if you truly understood. What's hilarious is that you think men who sexually harass women are right but men who open doors for women are pigs. You are truly backwards. No, he kisses you and hugs you and he holds you because you are a woman who is smaller than him. That is a biological fact. Women are meant to be smaller than men so when he does these things, he's dominating you. By your logic.
Oral herpes doesn't count as you would get them by making mouth to genitalia contact which you count as sex. Herpes from mouth to mouth contact doesn't count as an STD because it wasn't sexually transmitted. You might count kissing as sex but the rest of the world knows better. I knew you would bring up toilette seats and the like. It doesn't surprise me that a vaginanazi like you would be so dumb as to believe that rumor. www.webmd.com/balance/features… Doesn't matter if she wants a baby or not. It's not fair to her period. She's stuck with an STD she can't have healed or treated because in your land, nobody bothers with researching it. In your land, all the homosexuals who contract HIV/AIDs are basically already dead.
Yes it will. To some men and women, it will. Some men don’t want to kiss lips that were once around another guy’s dick. Or have sloppy seconds (of course, that is ‘offensive’, right?). She let someone inside her. Inside her and most likely had it in her mouth or hands (hypocritical if she refuses to do that kind of thing). Here’s why – that, the two men, does not fall into traditional roles (as heterosexual intercourse is, natural as that is). Plus, two men going at it would never end in some misandric cow murdering the natural being she once was. You have nothing to keep or preserve or protect, rather because you did stuff out with marriage/engagement, then throwing it aside.
Pfft. You follow that ‘logic’. I would expect nothing less. You know, for someone on a site dedicated to insulting everything and anything, you EDiots or whatever the title is sure are easily upset and offended. The very fact that a man wants to fuck you shows the very opposite of that most overused of words. My country is not ‘miso’ (really, there’s cute little nicknames for it, now?). No, a man does not have to act like a fucking doormat just because you’re not comfortable with it. If women are permitted to sit in little groups chatting about sex, then men are permitted their own version. Equality. It’s called a public place. Yes, I know there are rules there, but there are rules, and there is being an oversensitive hypocrite. Again, you cannot ‘have a problem’ with it as you have already been pounded. Those words, and that man are not going to suddenly make a difference to the state of your body, regardless of its shape (before you try that on me). Again, no. No one ‘deserves’ harassment or rape. Once more, I’ve never implied such a thing. Again, another thing I have said several times, you can wear whatever you want, regardless of gender, but someone will always judge, like the arseholes who judge men for wearing so-called ‘women’s clothing’. As I said, I love to wear skinny jeans, but because they look smarter than looser clothing (and boot cut ones tend to trail on the floor for me), and looser clothing would make me look even smaller. However, I understand that skinny jeans tend to show things. If someone were to make a sexual remark, I would simply ignore it. However, if said person (regardless of gender) were to come up to me and start touching me, as a woman who has self-respect, dignity and honour for myself and body, would yell and most likely swing at them. I am not saying that either. But you have already objectified yourself if you had sex outside engagement/marriage, or with more than one man or ‘casually’, or pointlessly. It doesn’t matter what you wear. But again, things such as boob tubes (tube tops), miniskirts, and hot pants are meant to titrate. A decent vest (tank top) and shorts would not. I wear vests in the summer too, when we actually have one. Islam is not ‘oppressive’ in that aspect. It’s still the woman’s choice to wear that or not. Yes, the punishments are disgusting, but she can still chose. Remember this word: choice. No, we virgins (not just me alone) have not objectified ourselves. None of my clothes, even my summer clothes, have cleavage, and none of my shorts go above the mid or lower thigh. Again, other woman are free to wear less than that. And yet I can keep cool. I even support woman going topless in public, as again, there is nothing sexual about nudity alone. I know I’m not special, honey. I’m just not common. That does not mean I’m ‘special’ it means I’m less common.
Yes, but those rocks could harm another person. Unless someone is a violent drunk, they are harming no one but themselves. Of course I bloody do! Why do you I want to help the poor?! And I just said, I would not abandon a drunk friend. I would not stop them snogging or grinding around, or going back to some stranger’s house for sex (thankfully, I’ve never had to be in that situation), that’s their choice, but wandering the streets in that state? Yes, that is still a danger to oneself, and others (the people they leave behind in their careless state), and is far worse than the former, and I would take that person and say “You’re going home”. I’ve had a few bad experiences with drunken friends or relatives, frightening, dangerous ones (I would not like to recount them as just thinking of them makes me uncomfortable), but I would still make sure they got home safe, if they tried that shit. Again.
Again, I’m so, so offended. I’ve stopped insulting you, you know. I explained that in the other reply you should be seeing soon. The long one. I am not ‘hating’ on anyone. I do not ‘hate’ non-virgin woman. I just do not care for their attitude many seem to hold. I am not ‘hateful’ as I have my compassions and care, as previously stated. I don’t want any special attention. In fact, I want your lot to bugger off and stop cowardly talking behind my back, making assumptions, and saying bullshit. Alas, you will not. I’m going on observation. *Sigh* I don’t think I’m a queen, or entitled to anything. We just get respect for our own respect. My doing that would affect others, so yes, it would be understandable, but not good, if people were to do that.
I had a quality education, honey. You don’t know our system, or my schooling, bar what I have told you. My mother and I had to fight for a quality education, as I said. Speaking of which, I forget to mention, even though I was in P2 before I finally had a permanent primary school, I still managed to catch up on all the reading and writing in six months. As I informed you before, I started education early. But again, you will not believe me, while you continue to make your assumptions. You are stereotyping me, putting words into my mouth, and making constant assumptions and putting me into a narrow box for this one thing. I am not ‘demonizing’ anyone. And before you said the predicted response, I am, yet again, make judgements on one’s choice. As for the second, yawn-inducing part, I refer to the above, or any other comments where I said. You are saying this one mental thing supersedes all my goodness. I fucking hate homophobes, yet I still acknowledge they are people. No, because I can understand where you are coming from there, even though I am a Pegasister. I don’t understand the obsession with other things as well. However, for MLP, it could be that, bar G1, we finally have strong, non-patronizing, characters for little girls to look up to, and that others can enjoy. Well, except the boring moe is that Fluttershy. No, I don’t. There goes the assumptions again. I open doors for people. It is when a man insists upon outdated, sexist chivalry is the problem. I never said men are ‘pigs’ for it. It’s manners. You can get it from swapping saliva. That’s pretty damn personal and sexual, someone sticking their tongue in other’s mouth. Anyone would count mouth to genital contact as sex. Away with this ‘technical virgin’ rubbish. You’re either sexual, wanting a baby, or asexual. Then again, blowjobs don’t get you pregnant. No, he’s not a chauvinist pig. He knows I don’t need ‘protecting’ or ‘saving’. Ask him yourself if you’re so damned confident: maximothe1.deviantart.com/. There is always an exception to the rule. Tell him I sent you. Oh, you will not, will you? You don’t want to end up being proved wrong. Oh hey! You tried an original insult this time! It still doesn’t describe me and I’m still not offended, but at least you tried. And before you assume again, I’m not trying to be patronizing. Just stating my opinion. Well excuse me for believing one rumour when I never take things at ‘faze value’ (as I have been told and previously told your lot). Excuse me for making one mistake. To me, it was logical that the *ahem* fluids left could pass something on.
Unless it is because she wants a baby, it is selfish and hypocritical. No, it’s not for the sake of having a baby, she’s a hypocrite. HIV/AIDS are not exclusive to homosexuals. And I mentioned them in the little list.
Well they're free to hook up with a woman who doesn't kiss or have oral sex but that doesn't make the occurrence of kissing and oral sex 'a big deal'. Unless a chick had oral sex with somebody in the last couple of hours, it's not actually a big deal. If one or both have a disease of the genitals or lips, understandable, otherwise no. This is how society views it. You don't, but the rest of society does and society judges what is and isn't. Not you. Even though I just explained it to you, you still refuse to listen and learn. A woman doesn't change after sex of any kind. If she does, it's her choice. It's not an inherent automatic and unstoppable change. You are still incorrectly assuming that all women are the same. If you truly knew otherwise, you wouldn't be so opposed to hetero sex for pleasure. I didn't become a misandric slaughtering cow when I was no longer a virgin. I didn't change the worst. I only continued to change for the better and having had sex didn't disrupt my progress in the least.
The only thing I don't have to preserve is my hymen. And a hymen isn't something you need to protect like it's a rare painting. You sound like a total paranoid loon when you say that. "OMG I GOTTA PROTECT MY HYMEN FROM TEH EVIL MEEEENSSSS!!!THEY'RE OUT TO GET MY HYMEN!!!1111" Nobody is out to get your hymen, believe me on that, honey.
That's probably the most hilarious thing I've ever heard coming from somebody who gets enraged when a man holds a door open for her. We generally have pretty thick skin but when a shut-in asexual vaginanazi stomps around screaming "SEX IS FOR SLUTS" some of us can't help but shake our head at how unbelievably stupid you are. Many people think you're a troll and still do because they just cannot comprehend somebody being as outright stupid and bigoted as you are. If you don't believe me, just check the threads on the complaints forum.
Asking a man to be respectful is not asking a man to be a doormat. There's a difference. He doesn't have to do jacksquat or change anything about him. He just needs to behave like a respectful human. By your logic, Matt is a doormat because he respects your request that he not do more than peck you on the lips, hold your hand or hold you. A man being respectful is not a man who is a doormat. You sound like a fedora wearing bro.
Yeah, men are allowed to sit and chat about sex as well but approaching a woman and saying dirty things to her is NOT a version of sitting around chatting about sex. Well I love to burst your sad little bubble sweetheart, but it doesn't matter whether or not I'm a virgin. If a guy comes up to me and tells me he wants to pound me, I'm going to have an issue with it and I have the right to be. Being a nonvirgin doesn't make me a doormat for me. Ask any other woman and she'll agree with me. Why? Because that's how society runs. Your views oppose the views of society and that's okay, but you act like YOU are the correct one and every single other person is wrong. Society determines these things, not you. Not an asexual shut in.
That's right, that nobody deserves harassment and rape but you turn right around and shrug off when women are harassed just because of what they're wearing or you shrug off rape just because that woman was a non virgin.
You just said to me in your other comment that a woman who has a go at a guy who touches her is wrong so why is it okay for you to do it? But at least we can agree that a man shouldn't touch a woman just because he thinks she's attractive.
You should go ahead and look up what everybody else considers 'objectifying'. I have in no way made myself an object or presented myself as such by having sex with my boyfriend in the privacy of our room. Or shower. Or kitchen. Or living room. Nobody considers having sex as objectifying oneself. Just you and only you. Nobody else.
It's not a choice if she's punished for making a choice her oppressive government doesn't like. They falsely present the choice but they use punishment to force her to make the choice they like.
A woman would be far more sexually harassed if she went topless than if she were to go in a miniskirt and tube top.
I know you're not special because you're not common. I"m saying you're not special because you seem to think your personal opinions are correct when they're just your own personal opinions.
So if you had a friend who is a virgin or is in a relationship or she's single go to a party and get hammered and you saw her to home with or to another room a man you know she'd say no to if she were sober, you would just sit there and watch her go? Knowing she would wake up feeling awful or in ruins because he took advantage of her being drunk, you would still just stand there and watch her go? If you knew this guy liked her but she didn't like him so he waited for her to get drunk before approaching her..you'd just watch them go? You are an awful, awful friend and person.
It doesn't matter if you're compassionate for other things, you're still a very hateful person. You say all these awful things about non virgins and what you think they should do and what you think is fair for them without understanding what it is to be a heterosexual woman.
Nobody is talking behind your back. We talk about you in the open in journals and forums which you have full access to. When you stomp around proclaiming that non virgins are inferior, that's going to raise hackles.
So then just as your little assumptive accusation about nonvirgins thinking we're better is untrue, the assumption that virgins think they're entitled queens is untrue. Moral of the story is to not make assumptions and then apply them to an entire group of people.
It wasn't quality enough if you're still misspelling words, messing up your sentence structure, leaving out words and such. You should really reread what you've written before sending it. It makes it hard to understand what you're trying to say when you don't.
Ugh, just as I knew you were going to say. "You are stereotyping me, putting words into my mouth, and making constant assumptions and putting me into a narrow box for this one thing." You are doing the same exact thing to me and to non virgins and feminists. YOu do it constantly. Don't be a hypocrite.
It's manners to hold doors open for people, regardless of gender. Just because a man does it for a person who happens to be a female, they're not doing any wrong. All of society considers it polite. You're the only person who says otherwise. So no..it's not wrong. It's not wrong just because you, one person, doesn't like it.
You don't have to stick you tongue in another persons mouth to come into contact with their saliva. YOu should know that unless you and Matt both dab your lips with kleenex before kissing. And I wouldn't be surprised if you did.
I would ask him but I know he's under your foot. He wouldn't say anything to upset you lest you throw a fit about misogyny and the like. I've dealt with enough of other girls boyfriend to know they take up their side regardless of how wrong they are. I'm sure he'd do these things with any other person but avoids it with you lest he be subjected to rants and raving. I'd let a door slam in your face too if it meant not having to listen to you blather on about misogyny and sluts or whatever. It's very adorable that you pretend to call me out because you think it's about being wrong when it's about Matt being a doormat to a raging vagina nazi. Is Matt asexual too or does he just fear your poor depth percepted wrath. Lol so cute, little scrawny Jade trying to be clever. It's like watching a chihuahua yap at strangers.
As you've been told huh? Yeah I'm sure the MOD on EDF you tried to report could confirm you and/or matt are skulking the thread again. So much for being a strong and independant woman.
Again, you're the only person who thinks this. You're the only person who believes this backward, borderline psychotic dribble. And no shit sherlock, but HIV/AIDS is the most prominent in homosexuals, so again, in your land they're pretty much already dead.
Sorry, I got the opening paragraphs mixed up. Oh, and you did not respond about the SlutWalk, screaming blogs, etc, paragraph. Did you not see the hypocrisy I pointed out?
No, it’s ‘O! Mah HYMEN!’. It’s my body itself. I respect it and look after it and honour it, and I will not some man (or woman) try to violate it. I don’t think anyone is ‘out to get me’. However, that was a rather good stealth insult (that I am ugly/undesirable). Why would I want to be sexually desirable? And if it was a comment on my personality, again, you pin my whole existence and personality on one thing.
Oh, what a sense of humour then. I am not a ‘shut up’ and ‘asexual’ is an insult. Again, you. Do Not. Bloody. Know me. Ooookkkkkk? I know, and that is their close-mindedness and hypocrisy. I would not even know how to troll anyway.
I’m not saying it again. Heh, you think he’s a doormat anyway because he dares let a woman take charge. And it’s just a peck, nor it is those overly long sloppy things. Again we are equals. We don’t even do the “I belong to you! You belong to me!” shit.
Sexual desire is not ‘dirty’. Surely you of all people would think that? I know, it still makes you a hypocrite. Again, I don’t care. I don’t think I ‘determine’ anything. Really, that little gem again? Do you not know what the word ‘wrong’ means? Again, I’m not insulting you anymore. I’m attempting to be civil here, unlike most of the time.
But that does not mean I think they ‘had it coming’. The karma thing just happens. It would be karma for me if I stole something then had something stolen from me, for example. And I would have no right to complain as I did that as well.
Wait, what? Since when did I say I go around touching unfamiliar men? That would be harassment.
And I’m sure all those porn stars and glamour models and what not, as much as it is their choice, are not objectifying themselves either. Again, with the privacy thing. It is not ‘private’ when your lot start screaming the moment a man or woman has a negative opinion on someone choosing to have sex. It is not ‘private’ when those hands spread just a little more germs than others.
They are my opinions. You people are saying they are wrong and being hypocrite and clinging to your double standards and pipe dreams of virginity disappearing. Assumptions, assumptions, you are fun to look at. No, of course not. Of course not.
I am not ‘hating’ them, as I just said. I am ‘very hateful’ in the first place when is only a part of me. I’ve been into to politics and protesting and given to charity and whatnot long before I starting saying thing and the shitstorm started. And as you can see, I still am interested that. And there’s my writing of course, and going out with Matt, and going out to cons, restaurants, events, etc.
It raises it from oversensitive people.
I do reread, but as I said to critiquer, there will always some I missed. The laptop hasspecial program to help me read the tiny writing better, but I know there will always be mistakes I miss.
As I know you would say. I’ve not done anything life changing with my body then when about screaming about how having an opinon on that is ‘oppression’ and ‘sexist’.
:Facepalm:. That’s what I was saying. I said that there is a difference between manners - someone of any gender holding open a door because it is the polite thing to do (and I’m all about manners), and a man being a sexist, chivalrous pig (“oh, sweet maiden, allow to relieve you of that labour”), or the ‘I must ‘protect’ her/you’ kind. Or the woman who allowed that belittling and ‘protection’ like weak little flowers. I do not think a man is sexist if he holds open the door. I would say ‘thank you’ and keep going.
He keeps clean because he knows about my mysophobia, but we wouldn’t go that far. Besides, you’re always producing spit.
No, I wouldn’t. Again, stop assuming. You had the opportunity right there to obtain evidence and prove but no, you just what to go on clichés and stereotypes. We’ve known each other for ten bloody years. He calls me out on my shit. I do not ‘rant and rave’ at him. I respect him. I love him. As I said, you did know our interactions, the long conversations we have, the interactions, the debates. And I’d kick the damn thing open again for your rudeness. Again, you do not the full me, so, you are wrong. If I had a sound file of that ‘eh-eh’ sound, I would just start playing it now instead of saying that again and again. You know nothing of my kindness, my goodness, my life. How is that an insult? I know I’m a specky wee midget. I was not trying ‘to be clever’. I was being genuine. I wanted you to have the evidence your lot keep asking for.
It isn’t backward or ‘psychotic’. I never done anything to harm anyone. No, seeing the reason about homosexual sex and attraction above. That would be homophobia, and all homophobes can go jump in a volcano.
Why are you being such a cu-- (no, I'm trying to civil here). Why are being so assuming and aggressive when we have just began an unrelated and far kinder exchange?
I don't make those remarks as a general statement, they apply to the subject at hand which is sexuality. I know there is more to you than what this topic sheds light on but I'm staying focused on the topic so when I say something, it's not about every aspect of you.
What makes him a doormat is letting somebody else take charge regardless of their sex instead of letting somebody function along with him equally. Nobody should take charge of anybody in a relationship but it happens. It's expected that a man take charge but that's not always how it works. That applies to daily life as well as the sex life.
No, again, desire itself is not dirty BUT approaching anybody and explicitly informing them of their desire or what they'd like to do is 'dirty'. Somebody going to another and complimenting them like say, "That top really compliments your body type." is fine (though I can see some prissy type being offended by the words 'body type') But if somebody were to approach another and tell them "I want to fuck your brains out." Is dirty and outright inexcusable. That is never okay to say to a person. Regardless of virgin status. No, again. I'm not a hypocrite for having a problem with a man saying something like that to me. Only you think that and only you. Majority rule: I'm not a hypocrite in such an instance. If he finds me attractive, then fine I don't care. But I don't want to know whether or not he wants to have sex with me. That's his business alone and him telling me that won't even accomplish anything in his favor anyway. I won't sleep with him just because he told me that. I wouldn't even date him or flirt with him either. That is TMI and something he should keep to himself. I don't need to know that some guy is thinking about having sex with me. I don't need to know that some guy visualizes doing something with me that's that personal. Sex is personal. You certainly act as though you determine things the way you march around and shame heterosexual nonvirgin women. You make statements as if they were factual when they are truly only your opinion. If you stated your opinions like opinions and not facts, so many people wouldn't have an issue with your beliefs. That's the thing though. You went around commenting on deviations with things like "nonvirgin women can't be raped" and what do you honestly expect? If you'd simply said "I don't think nonvirgin women can be raped," yeah, people are still going to have an issue but at least they wouldn't think you were some vaginanazi.
It's not Karma for a nonvirgin woman to be raped. That's not Karma at all. That's like a woman buying from a store then somebody coming and stealing from that woman. That's not what Karma is ._. The woman did no wrong by having sex for pleasure so for her to be raped is not karma. This is the kind of thing that makes people so pissed off at you >_> When you say things like "Rape of nonvirgin women is karma" That sounds like something some Arabic man from 1906 would say.
No you said that a woman who strikes a man for touching her is wrong but in a comment I read after that you said that if a guy touched you, you'd strike him.
No, THEY are because they have sex for money for strangers to be recorded for the enjoyment of strangers. That's different from having sex with your loved one in the privacy of your bedroom (or whatever part of the house) The sex in porn is not an accurate depiction of sex anyhow. That's now where your idea of sex came from I hope. Porno sex is wahaaaaaay exaggerated. Let me just clear that up right now. Porno sex is nothing like real sex. Nobody would watch it if it were. They'd go and have real sex if that were the case. Yes, there is amature porn with people having sex who decided to record but the sex with actual actors and actresses is blown out of proportion. Men don't even last that long in real life. Women don't moan and writhe just by having a penis touch their vagina. Ask anybody. Porn is not like real sex at all. Anybody who says it is either hasn't had sex or has only been with prostitutes >_> Even the best sex isn't like Porn sex. It's good but..there are just things in Porn that no real person does in real life -_-
I don't even know what your talking about in that 'private' bit.
Because they are wrong. I know it sounds funny to say an opinion is wrong but if your opinion was that that sky ends past the clouds well..that'd be wrong. The only person with double standards is you. You could ask anybody, go on yahoo ask or some such thing, present your opinions and ask if they see a double standard and I PROMISE YOU, they would.
You can do however many different things you like but they way you shame and insult nonvirgin women sounds exactly like hate.
Nonono. Nobody is very sensitive for being upset over you saying that nonvirgin women don't have the same rights as virgin women. Being oversensitive is calling men pigs for holding doors open for women.
Then reread again. I'm dyslexic and my hand-eye coordination isn't that fantastic and nor is my vision (legally blind by the time I'm thirty like my mom, maybe) so I got spellchecker and I make sure to read as I type and reread and google and do what I can to make sure my sentences are coherent.
That small bit about oppression and sexism doesn't make sense. Revise sentence structure and spelling.
Well nobody does it because they think a woman needs it. They do it because it's polite. So to be upset over it is silly. Men don't do it because they think a woman can't handle doors, believe me. No man is that dumb. They know women know how to operate doors. It's not the middle ages where doors were made from logs and iron :U They generally aren't that much of a hassle though sometimes there's the weird door with bad hinges or the vacuum in the building is crazy strong.
You should google the bacteria on the skin and lips. There are tiny bugs that live in the follicles, including the follicles of mustache hair. So Matt should be careful to shave regularly, hm? The mouth is a very dirty place, including the lips. Dogs mouths are cleaner even and they lick their butts and genitals.
No, not cliches. I went off of what I've seen firsthand. Your page alone provides evidence enough that he does what he thinks will please you. I needn't dig very far. (or beyond if you page got many comments since the last I was there) If he truly called you on your bs, you wouldn't still hold a few of the views you hold. I doubt highly that Matt has the same ideals as you.
You'd kick it open again? And pray tell how would that affect me? It wouldn't, but the owner/manager of the establishment might boot you out for not having respect for the property. I'd move right along without a care.
What the hell is the 'eh eh' sound.
First of all, you're not a midget. Second of all, midget isn't proper. Not here in the states anyhow. It's proper to refer to them as Little People or Dwarves (though I'm not keen on that second term myself although it's a part of the name of the condition)
It doesn't hasn't to be harmful to be backwards to psychotic.
What are you even referring to with the homophobia and such????
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She's really so misogynistic as to say that a woman is in part to blame if they get sexually harassed because they are confident with their body??
It doesn't matter what the woman is wearing, a man ought to have enough self control to respect another person. Never is an outfit grounds to harass anybody. I see a handsome man dressed in an admirable way but do I ever go up and start touching him? Fuck no. That's completely inappropriate in societal standards and in regards to his personal space and feelings.
Women shouldn't have to hide themselves because some people can't control themselves and men shouldn't either. We should all have the self control and moral to not harass anybody just because they're dressed nicely or revealing.
By her standards, everybody should go to the pool or beach in pants and long sleeved shirts >_>
It shouldn't be one or the other responsibility, it's BOTH sides responsibility to behave with restraint and respect.
If somebody, man or woman, sees somebody passed out or very drunk, it's their responsibility to behave like a moral and respectful person and not take advantage.
Even if that other person isn't doing so, SOMEBODY ought to. Just because somebody else is being irresponsible, that doesn't justify others to be as well.
Never is it okay to take advantage of somebody who is incapacitated. Doing so makes you a pervert with no self control or respect.
As adults, it's our job to behave responsibly even if others are not. That's what being an adult is.
In regards to sex, she truly is ignorant about it if she thinks all STDs have obvious signs and that everybody is honest about having one. This simply proves that.
Even if people were to follow her sick little values, a virgin woman could hook up with a man who has had previous partners and he could give her an STD because he lied about it/didn't tell her, the symptoms were not present and/or he didn't know he had one because some people are just carriers.
So now that woman has to suffer an STD even though she followed Naokos ridiculous rules and because in her little world, researching and treating STD is 'a waste' and in her world, a woman isn't allowed to be choosy about the men she hooks up with, only men are allowed to be choosy so she can't tell him no just because he's had partners before her.
I wonder what she'd have to say to that!
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It is not 'taking advantage' if the drunken person is all over the other person.
As for STDs, no I do not think that. Again you all assume that because I am aversed to sex and will never be fucked does not mean I am unaware or uneducated in such things. I know perfectly well that some are even completely symptomless. I know people lie too. It's an embarrassing thing, is it not?
She (and so it would be for a he) choose to have sex and risk it. You cannot choose to have cancer (for the most person'), Leukaemia, asthma, psoriasis, AIDs/HIV, cystic fibrosis, Huntington’s disease, cerebral palsy, Down's Syndrome, epilepsy, Kleine-Levin syndrome, OVD, etc. Sorry to list such common ailments, but I was given you an idea. I even know that virgins can have some form of STD when they haven't so much as masturbated.
Make up your damn mind. Is the world wrong for shaming sexual men or is the world wrong for shaming virgin men? Nobody is shaming anybody. I for one don't give a damn if whoever I'm with is a virgin or not. I do like a virgin man because they're more eager and not so quick to become bored like sexual men and that's my right to prefer virgin men. I can be choosy all I want. My body, I get to choose who touches it and who I have sex with.
No duh it's going to elicit certain feelings but when men start to cat call and touch that's inappropriate. Men are adults who should know how to behave despite how they're feeling. They're expected to behave maturely when they're pissed off, they're expected to behave maturely when they see a nice body or a nice pair or legs or what have you.
It's not hypocritical to dress in shorts and a tanktop when it's 95 degrees f and expect men to not bother you over it. I dunno how hot it gets there but here in Oklahoma, you can literally fry an egg on your cars dashboard so I should be able to go out in my shorts and tank and not have to stress over men trying to touch me (in any way) or cat call and make inappropriate remarks.
It's not a woman's job to put up with men, it's a man's job to not behave like a pig to begin with.
Some women don't or can't handle those situations so it's unfair to them to have to put up with that kind of thing just because you think they have it coming because they wore shorts or a skirt and a top that shows some skin.
They have the right to find a woman attractive but it's inappropriate to make that woman feel uncomfortably in the outfit she has the right to wear. No woman should have to dress a certain way just to avoid piggish behavior.
If somebody is drunk and another person takes advantage of that, that's completely scummy. If a drunk person comes onto somebody who is sober, that, to me, seems a lot less scummy since the person being approached is fully capable of making decisions though the person doing the approaching might not have ordinarily done such a thing.
No, actually. Nobody is assuming you're uneducated about sex because you're asexual.
We say you are uneducated about sex because of the things you have said yourself and are still saying.
It's not about your sexuality. Seriously, get over it already. Nobody cares that you're asexual. People care that you're trying to stomp on female reproductive/sexual rights.
Exactly what kind of STD does a virgin get?
By your silly set of rules, a woman is condemned even if she has sex with one man who has had partners before her (which you say is allowed) and has an STD that is passed to her.
You call researching sex and the diseases a waste of resources but in reality, the aforementioned scenario is common. In your little world, she would be doomed to suffer an STD even though she followed your rules because in your world, no research would be done to find treatments and/or cures.
If that man left her, she couldn't have sex ever again because of her STD and/or because in your world, she would be cheating on her next boyfriend.
No, it’s not.
No, it’s not. It’s natural and fine. That is shaming. Yes, they do, they are fully aware of they are doing, as I think you would know.
It was your choice to wear those, as needed as it would be. It is the aroused man’s natural reaction in the form of hastily-put together words. It is not ‘inappropriate’ or being a ‘pig’. Again, you should your hypocrisy, in that woman are allowed to be as sexual as they want and no one is permitted a negative opinon, or they are ‘MISOGYNISTS!’, ‘SEXISTS!’ or ‘OPPRESSORS!!!!’. Again, they have no right to complain of being ‘bothered’ when they have already objectified themselves. I, along with other virgin woman, have a right to complain about that as we are not hypocrites, and we are in full control of our bodies.
Then maybe she should grow a backbone.
It is called equality. If girls are permitted to be as sexual as they want, so are men. And people are allowed a negative opinion on that. Non-virgin woman are hypocrites to judge and complain.
No, it’s not. It is not someone else’s job to stop or look after that drunk person, who choose to get drunk, unless they have requested such. Of course, if I were ever to have friends like that (I never would), I would not just abandon them like some holidaymakers and partygoers do, but I would let them make their own mistakes and learn the hard way. We all make mistakes.
Urgh, again with this. I am expressing my right to an opinion, on one’s choice, as is my right. I am not sitting there whining about freedom of speech and truth equality like you faux-feminists who think all sexual women are perfect, ‘liberated’ beings. If I were to get behind the wheel of a car and went barrelling down the motorway, I would know I would be judged and insulted. That would be someone’s right to do so. If I were to write something in my original story is incredibly narmy, far too cliché, or just plain stupid, I would be judged for it, and people would be free to it. Sex is no different. What is so bloody hard to understand about that, ‘feminist’?
You lot also constantly assume that the sex thing is my whole life and think me some heartless idiot, when, if you had actually read my journals and got to know me, would know I have other interests and pursuits, and hold empathy and care within me. You assume I know not of simple things like masturbation, wet dreams, arousal, orgasms, dominatrixes (even if she is ‘dominant’, it is in a typically false, feminine manner, such as that of the femme fatale, and she usually has been/will let herself be penetrated). While we are of course equals and make choices together, I am dominant as I control myself, and take charge emotionally. I’m it would count for physically as well, as I would be the one to make the protective moves (as I’m not some damsel-in-distress who likes a man being a chauvinist, chivalrous pig). I’m also the one to resort to defensive/arger-caused violence, as well, though I know most would not consider that a good thing. And the stereotypical kind of violent of slapping. Finally, as I said, we kiss, hug and hold each other.
Oral herpes, for one. You can also gain diseases from towels or toilet seats, given that people have done things on them (that, combined with my great mysophobia), keeps from public bathrooms as much as possible.
Ok, the thing about her never having sex again is understandable, if she was planning to have a baby some time. That would not be fair.
You say 99% of the female side of the human race deserves rape. That's pretty heartless to me.
If you don't think women deserve it that's good but you come across as very hateful. If a woman was raped, virgin or not, a normal person would feel compassion and horror,. It doesn't matter if she is s virgin or what she's wearing or if she's germy or anything. It's horrible and traumatic no matter what. But you don't seem to care at all if it happens to be someone you deem a 'slut' this is heartless. If it happened to a woman (or man) you don't say she's a hypocrite for complaining you help her and try to get justice for what's happened.
If you want people to leave you alone try turning around. Try saying, or at least consider non-virgins are people too and aren't some evil germy sex-crazed zombies trying to hurt men or oppress them. I don't know why you think that.
Thank you for separating yourself from these…others.
I do feel compassion – for those who are actually suffering. I feel no sympathy for hypocrites getting their karma and not understand that that trauma and pain they suffer is them realizing and regretting throwing themselves at a man for no good reason.
I am not ‘heartless’ and have mentioned numerous times the evidence that proves I am not, reasons that apply to yourselves too, I’m certain – I give to charity, I really want to help the poor in person, I fight for men and women’s rights, I fight against the dismissal and humiliation of male abuse and rape victims. I fight for GLBT rights, of course. I am a political person and try to fight, or at least bring attention to, injustice in the political world. Those others keep judging me and thinking they know me when they know nothing of me, and keep spouting the same clichés and pseudo-intelligent babble.
Again, it is their attitude. They will not stop whinging about people’s right to an opinion on their choice, so why should others stop having that rightful, just opinion? And they are germy, like it or not. We are all germy. Non-virgin woman, due to the way sex works, be it hetero or homosexual, just carry that little bit more.
They are people, then. Just very immature people. They are girls.
And non-virgins contain these attributes so often... why? Why do you see them all like that?
"would not need to be so hard if they were not such whiney little wimps dressing up their whinging and fear of judgment as ‘feminism’. "
You seem to be hung up on the whole "feminism" word. Why not scribble it out and replace the word with "women who want the same things men get while men get what women have." and tell me why that's so bad. It seems fair to me.
"I do feel compassion – for those who are actually suffering. I feel no sympathy for hypocrites getting their karma and not understand that that trauma and pain they suffer is them realizing and regretting throwing themselves at a man for no good reason. "
And this exception to your compassion is why people are getting upset at you. There shouldn't be any exception at all. A woman isn't hurting anyone by having a sexual relationship with anyone (a man, woman, inbetween, or herself) unless she is raping someone. Why is it karma that she get's hurt so severely then? How can you not feel bad for someone who goes through something so horrible? Even if what a woman was doing was wrong, that's like saying someone who steals deserves torture, it's beyond extreme.
"I am not ‘heartless’ and have mentioned numerous times the evidence that proves I am not, reasons that apply to yourselves too, I’m certain – I give to charity, I really want to help the poor in person, I fight for men and women’s rights, I fight against the dismissal and humiliation of male abuse and rape victims. I fight for GLBT rights, of course. I am a political person and try to fight, or at least bring attention to, injustice in the political world. "
Well, yeah, okay. That may be true. And I couldn't really say you were some ruthless monster out of the pits of hell even without you saying that. It still doesn't make what you're saying about non-virgins right though.
Thing is, try looking it from other's point of view. Take homophobia, which you are adamant against. If some homophobic guy went on some hate-speech saying gay men who get bashed are only getting God's will and it's what they get for defiling their bodies with some evil sin or whatever nonsense a homophobic person says, what are you going to do? Call him out on what he's saying? Call him a bad person? What if he turns around at these accusations, and says "But I'm not a bad person, I donate to charity, I fight against racism, etc etc.." would you, should you, say "Jinkies! I had no idea! You're a swell guy after all! Just let me turn my back and allow you to continue on with your little hate speech!" Or would you say "That's all very well and nice, but what you're doing is still wrong and you really should stop."
"Those others keep judging me and thinking they know me when they know nothing of me, and keep spouting the same clichés and pseudo-intelligent babble.
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That pseudo-intellectual babble is others trying to reason with you. But you're right, they don't know you, no-body does, they are making judgements based on what they have observed so far. But you can help by letting them or others get to know you, and you try getting to know them and other non-virgins and see that they aren't so bad people. Maybe a bit more reasoning on what your problem is/ are, because (I admit this is just a guess) some of your dislike might be stemming from something that happened to you IRL. Maybe some girl was a bitch to you, maybe your Dad was a jerk, IDK. And they have been guessing, because they want to know why you have all this hate, or "dislike".
"Again, it is their attitude. They will not stop whinging about people’s right to an opinion on their choice, so why should others stop having that rightful, just opinion?"
Well yeah, we all have our right to free-speech. They have theirs and you have yours. It's just kind of getting a bit of conflict regarding the nature of their arguing: rape. Which is a serious form of violence, which nobody wants. And you don't want someone around encouraging violence, do you? They don't want some rape victim seeing what you wrote and getting hurt, or some psycho reading this and getting the idea it's okay to rape someone.
"And they are germy, like it or not. We are all germy. Non-virgin woman, due to the way sex works, be it hetero or homosexual, just carry that little bit more. "
So?
We can argue whether or not non-virgins are germy (and frankly I'm stumped why you would think a girl who jills off gets "germy", or at least germy in the manner it can't be washed off or cause a serious illness). But in the end, so what? People who work with sewage are germy. People in poorer countries are germy. Lots of people are germy. Pilots are at risk of getting who knows how many diseases. Should they be looked down upon for eg. say their choices in career etc? Should they be treated any less? Does it mean they should be attacked and that it serves them right, or that it serves them right if they contract a serious illness that it's just "karma" and no-one should help them?
"They are people, then. Just very immature people. They are girls. "
Once again, So? Lots of people are immature. I'm immature a lot of the time. It's no reason to not feel bad for them when they get raped.
But it is not that. They want to be free from all rightful, equality-supporting judgement and criticism will they scream at men for doing so much as harmless wolf whistling, while they call men perverts and rapists for daring to express their sexuality. And most laughably of all, they say, that men being sexually attracted to them, is ‘misogynistic’. I fight for actually rights, something few feminists do nowadays, continuing to add to our reputation. As a result, people who support men’s rights too are told to call themselves ‘humanists’. Don’t get wrong, I don’t mind the title, but the problem is that feminist is seen as a bad thing, and girls like this are not helping.
Yes she is. She is spreading germs and most likely disease as well. She is insulting feminism and naturalness of pregnancy. If I were stolen from if I steal before, I would have no reason to complain, no non-virgin women have nothing to complain about. I understand that some easily-offended people might be upset about this, being that it is true equality (taking responsibility for one’s actions, instead of calling it ‘victim blaming’. but I simply do not support hypocrisy. And yes, I know we are all hypocrites. If she was engaged or marriage and that happened, even if she had sex with her fiancé, husband or wife, as she has made a commitment to someone.
Well, thank you. Well, I’m sorry, but it is just the way I think, and it is made worse because of these selfish attitudes that exist. If a woman were to just have sex for pleasure with her partner, behind closed doors, that would be fine, they are not affection anyone else. It is when they scream about non-existent ‘double standards’, while ignoring the biological logical behind such a (perfectly allowed) opinon, and say that having casual sex is good, and, as I said, shoving their non-virginity and so-called ‘liberation’ (when it is far from it) down everyone’s throats, instead of focusing on real issues. A good ‘feminist blog’ I have found is The Mary Sue, for example. She cares about women and men and fights against bigger issues (as well as sexism in pop culture/fiction, something seen as trivial and meaningless, despite how much it effects and has effected real life).
The difference is, having recreational heterosexual intercourse is a choice. Homosexuality, no matter what some cunts say, is not a choice. It is natural attraction to the same gender. Yes, heterosexual lust and attraction is natural too I know. It is just that homosexual intercourse is far less likely to be selfish (that’s not to say there is not homosexual manipulators or rapists). I also understand that homosexuals are not perfect, as well, but that they are simply human, and humans judge and are judged, make choices, sometimes stupid/pointless/selfish ones.
No, no, if someone wants to have a calm conversation about it, then I am happy. Just as I would be happy to have a conversation with a homophobe is understand why they think (well, if it were reasons outside ‘it’s an abomination!’ or ‘God says so!’).
Those are the very clichés, though. That it was thought it by religion, that I was molested/raped, or (and I laughed at this) dumped for a sexually active girl. You say it is because of my mother or my ‘father’ that I have ‘daddy issues’ (
They also came out with crap that Matt is only with me as he hopes to get sex one day, and that we won’t last because we don’t have sex and that ‘when his balls drop’ he dump me for someone else, even though they are plenty of non-sexual ways to be romantic. We kiss on the lips, for example. They know nothing of our relationship, how long we’ve known each other (and when I explained such, of course they did not believe me, and continued with their perceived image of me), while being all smug about their ‘normal’ and not ‘shallow’ relationships.
Well, as I’ve said before, no matter how much we wash down there, we will still produce natural but disgusting fluids. You can’t ‘wash off’ one of biggest changes in your life (and that fact is that is considered something so little nowadays is so…cold). No, those are needed, as they need those jobs to live, or to enjoy life, and those germs, bar the sewage, are not so intimate.
Oh, and I never thought non-virgins were not human. I was just sick of the rage so I threw out a sarcastic comment. Again, it’s the hypocrisy bit. I at least acknowledge the ways in wish I am hypocritical, an example being I am and consider myself a strong woman, but insult that but my needless crying. I don’t like boastful or cocky people, but like most people, I boast sometimes as well. Again, an overused statement, but we are human.
“I do not see them all like that. They are just what I encounter most when simply browsing for me own means, some whiney little flower on Tumblr, Feminsite, Jezebel, LiveJournal This Slut Votes, the SlutWalk bullshit that is still going on, an affront to feminism (it just made our reputation fall even lower), and self respecting women everywhere.”
And why are you going to those sites in the first place?
“This very deviation (along with many, selfish, sexist, petty others) is an example of such an attitude. This being the ‘anti-abortion is ANTI-WOMENZ!” when they turn around and be completely anti-responsibility, anti-male, and selfish. They claim that medical and necessary ultrasound (yes, it is necessary, to make sure the woman is absolutely willing to murder something she once was in one of the greatest acts of hypocrisy there can be), when they already been penetrated by a germ-riddled penis. There is nothing ‘sexist’, ‘misogynistic’ or ‘controlling women’s bodies’ or ‘reproductive rights’. It is hypocrisy, they already gave their body to another. “
Because you know it is their own body which they own (and still own no matter who they have sex with), and have a right to preserve their own life if a pregnancy might risk her life or a possible child’s well-being. And yeah it is irresponsible if a woman goes around screwing willy nilly without protection. But it’s waaay more irresponsible to bring a life into the world where the woman has neither the finances nor the competence to look after a child which ends up with a kid starving to death in a cupboard in a pile of its own faeces because the mother knows squat about raising children. An abortion on the other hand is terminating a “life” before it begins a life of suffering. And just because an embryo was what each of us where at that point doesn’t mean we should preserve it. We were an ovum once, does that mean every time a woman has her period she is committing murder?
“But it is not that. They want to be free from all rightful, equality-supporting judgement and criticism will they scream at men for doing so much as harmless wolf whistling, while they call men perverts and rapists for daring to express their sexuality. And most laughably of all, they say, that men being sexually attracted to them, is ‘misogynistic’. I fight for actually rights, something few feminists do nowadays, continuing to add to our reputation. As a result, people who support men’s rights too are told to call themselves ‘humanists’. Don’t get wrong, I don’t mind the title, but the problem is that feminist is seen as a bad thing, and girls like this are not helping.”
If a guy (or a girl) is running around in the privacy of her home oogling over porn or something, this is expressing their sexuality and these girls should mind their own business. If a guy (or a girl) is out on the streets harassing someone this isn’t expressing their sexuality, they’re being a jerk, and it’s what people do to rile people up. I mean, you didn’t like it when you started getting all this attention lately, and you complained, why can’t they? But no, someone “wolf-whistling” isn’t a rapist. They may be over-reacting, but then, what have you been doing lately on certain other sites?
“Yes she is. She is spreading germs and most likely disease as well.”
Not if she’s getting the guy to wear a rubber, she isn’t. Or, you know, jilling off on her own (who would she be spreading the “germs” to?). Or people who get blood tests first, to make sure they haven’t got anything before they do anything.
If she knew she had something and intentionally spread something, yeah, that would be wrong though. Most of the time though, people try to stop the spread of disease.
“She is insulting feminism and naturalness of pregnancy.”
And an insult is seriously harmful, because…?
“If I were stolen from if I steal before, I would have no reason to complain, no non-virgin women have nothing to complain about.”
Ummm, no no no no. Stealing can’t even begin to equate with something like rape. Stealing is a petty crime (which is why I gave an example before), while rape is extreme violence, and there is never any excuse for it. And why would consensual sex be considered stealing? Because she gave her body once to a guy and it belongs to him now? That’s like saying people have the right to steal then vandalise e a bunch of books from a library which lends out books just because it some people have borrowed from it before.
You don’t get a book from a library to keep forever, you RETURN it. And you don’t damage it, because it still isn’t your property. You take it for an allotted period of time with your library card, enjoy it, then give it back. If you don’t, or take the book without permission, you’re in trouble, and the librarian has every right to send you a fine. And as such, if a man or woman rapes a person they should be punished for it as no-one has the right to have sex without someone’s consent.
“I understand that some easily-offended people might be upset about this, being that it is true equality (taking responsibility for one’s actions, instead of calling it ‘victim blaming’. but I simply do not support hypocrisy. And yes, I know we are all hypocrites. If she was engaged or marriage and that happened, even if she had sex with her fiancé, husband or wife, as she has made a commitment to someone.”
Commitments can end. And committing to one person does not mean committing to every other single male on the planet for the rest of eternity.
“Well, thank you. Well, I’m sorry, but it is just the way I think, and it is made worse because of these selfish attitudes that exist. If a woman were to just have sex for pleasure with her partner, behind closed doors, that would be fine, they are not affection anyone else.”
Which is what “non-virgins” do. (Or should be doing).
“It is when they scream about non-existent ‘double standards’, while ignoring the biological logical behind such a (perfectly allowed) opinon, and say that having casual sex is good, and, as I said, shoving their non-virginity and so-called ‘liberation’ (when it is far from it) down everyone’s throats, instead of focusing on real issues. A good ‘feminist blog’ I have found is The Mary Sue, for example. She cares about women and men and fights against bigger issues (as well as sexism in pop culture/fiction, something seen as trivial and meaningless, despite how much it effects and has effected real life).”
Abortion is a real issue though.
“The difference is, having recreational heterosexual intercourse is a choice. Homosexuality, no matter what some cunts say, is not a choice. It is natural attraction to the same gender. Yes, heterosexual lust and attraction is natural too I know. It is just that homosexual intercourse is far less likely to be selfish (that’s not to say there is not homosexual manipulators or rapists). I also understand that homosexuals are not perfect, as well, but that they are simply human, and humans judge and are judged, make choices, sometimes stupid/pointless/selfish ones.”
How is heterosexual sex selfish? “Germs”? Once again you have condoms and blood-tests for that. Pregnancy? Okay, if homosexual sex is better because it can’t result in pregnancy, what about women who are infertile. Women who have gone past menopause? Girls who are above legal age but haven’t finished puberty (it’s 2-3 years after a girl starts bleeding before she starts ovulating). A woman who is on her period? Women who use contraceptives? None of these will result in pregnancy either so why not group them with homosexuals too?
“No, no, if someone wants to have a calm conversation about it, then I am happy. Just as I would be happy to have a conversation with a homophobe is understand why they think (well, if it were reasons outside ‘it’s an abomination!’ or ‘God says so!’).”
Okay
“Those are the very clichés, though. That it was thought it by religion, that I was molested/raped, or (and I laughed at this) dumped for a sexually active girl. You say it is because of my mother or my ‘father’ that I have ‘daddy issues’ (
I couldn’t care less about my ‘father’, and I was barely a year old when my mother left him), and my mother, like all good parents, taught me and give me the tools to learn, but let me think for myself. It is those attitudes (the father/rape thing) that annoys me.”
It was a guess. People come up with these things because your ideas had to come from somewhere. I don’t get it though. You just one day (or took a while to come up with this) decided to say “non-virgins can’t be raped”?
“They also came out with crap that Matt is only with me as he hopes to get sex one day, and that we won’t last because we don’t have sex and that ‘when his balls drop’ he dump me for someone else, even though they are plenty of non-sexual ways to be romantic. We kiss on the lips, for example. They know nothing of our relationship, how long we’ve known each other (and when I explained such, of course they did not believe me, and continued with their perceived image of me), while being all smug about their ‘normal’ and not ‘shallow’ relationships.”
I’m kind of guessing it was to get you riled up. And in some cases out there this does happen in relationships. People change. Your BF might change. YOU might change. It might be something to keep in mind, at least as a mental exercise. And no, no-one knows how you and your BF are, that’s your businesses’.
“Well, as I’ve said before, no matter how much we wash down there, we will still produce natural but disgusting fluids.”
It isn’t that disgusting.
“You can’t ‘wash off’ one of biggest changes in your life (and that fact is that is considered something so little nowadays is so…cold). No, those are needed, as they need those jobs to live, or to enjoy life, and those germs, bar the sewage, are not so intimate. “
Except we do need sex to enjoy life. I mean, why should I or any women go every minute every day every year for the rest of their lives never getting any relief from an irritating cramp or burning down there for? Why put up with that?
“Oh, and I never thought non-virgins were not human. I was just sick of the rage so I threw out a sarcastic comment. Again, it’s the hypocrisy bit. I at least acknowledge the ways in wish I am hypocritical, an example being I am and consider myself a strong woman, but insult that but my needless crying. I don’t like boastful or cocky people, but like most people, I boast sometimes as well. Again, an overused statement, but we are human.”
What do you expect, you were talking about rape.
No, they have not right to be selfish, hypocritical monsters. They were a foetus once, they were once that ‘parasite’, that ‘accident’, that ‘mistake’, that [insert other, sick, disgusting words for an innocent life here]. Every thing on the planet is technically a parasite, as we must feed on another living thing to survive (most plants are perhaps the expection). Besides, a parasite is defined as a creature of other species. No, it was irresponsible for her to go sleeping around full stop. Pregnancy does not to be ‘protected’ from. Nor is it an ‘accident’ or ‘unwanted’. If it was, that woman would not have choosen to have sex. If she could not ‘afford it’ (which is bullshit anyway), or ‘was not ready’ then she would not be ready to have a penis inside her. Pregnancy, apart from childbirth, is nothing compared to sex that came before it. No one can predict the future. My mother given the suggestion to abort me because of my conditions, they said I would never walk, talk, read or write. And I’ve done that and so much more. How would she have known that if she was so selfish (not to mention she wanted a child). If the ‘women’ (or stupid, selfish girl) really is so heartless and inhuman, then she can find another family to give the child to. It is not ‘selfish’, it is not ‘sexist’, it is not ‘oppressive’ or ‘trying to control women’ (when they have allowed themselves to be controlled by men), it is equality for all. And again, just like others who believe that disgusting, selfish, sexist attitude, you ignore the potential suffering of the man who just lost his child. That’s not utterly sexist, a double standard, and hypocritical or anything. Here we go with the period excuse. That, again, is natural. Simple. Just like pregnancy is.
Not if they are boasting about it and calling it their ‘feminist right’ or whatever. It is not ‘harassment’ or when that girl has already broken that great boundary. She is hypocritical to complain as she is a sexual being. It is natural, as OMG, men have a right to a sex drive as well. I just keep coming back to correct the idiotic assumptions and pettiness of these compete strangers.
As I said, it gives feminism a bad name and encourages selfishness and sexism against men.
It is not ‘extreme’. They are far more extreme things you can do to harm the body, my dear. Rape is not some special crime. It is simply abuse as horrid as any other. Let me give another example then – if I were hit someone who did not deserve it, then I could not complain about someone else striking me, as I’ve already done that. Excluding the marriage/engagement thing I mentioned, that girl is a hypocrite for claiming rape as she had already been penetrated and regardless of the damage, it makes no difference to her status. And I also explained why she is really traumatized, but again, that is not make the mental suffering any less real.
That’s not what I meant. What I meant is, if a virgin woman became engaged or married someone, male or female, and even if they were to have sex with them, they could still be raped, as they have made a commitment to someone and that violator is also violating the commitment. As for the other bit, if a virgin woman were to have sex with a man/woman and commit to them, then for some reason they break up (I’m not saying it is her fault), and she get manages to get a relationship with another man or woman, she is a hypocrite if she ever claims he or she is ‘cheating’ on or ‘betraying’ her, as she already cheated on them. They just had the kindness and goodness to forgive her (they do that if they pursue the relationship). If that woman was a widow, however, then I suppose it can be considered cheating on the other partner’s part (you know, the whole ‘death do us part’ bit).
Well, they don’t.
No, it is not an ‘issue’. The issue is that it exists for non-rape reasons.
I already explained – the selfishness in regards to pregnancy and the possible betrayal. They have no reason to have sex, but can still chose to if they wish. Again, I never said or implied I would stop anyone making that choice. I am not one of those disgusting people who think a woman who does not want children (again, if she did not, she would not partake in heterosexual intercourse for ‘fun’), or is infertile is horrible person or, sickeningly, ‘broken’. Again, it’s the attitudes I dislike.
I’ve said that before too. As my mother was not one to lie, when I put forth the big baby question at six, she bought me a book (for children) called “Where do I Come From?. Of course, these idiots on here think she ‘traumatized me’ and that a six year old could not possibility understand such a thing. The other parents were like that too, “*gasp* it has nude pictures! That’s obscene!”. And as I learned more in reproduction lessons (what you would call ‘sex ed’, I’m guessing) in science in first and second year, then biology and human biology the rest, I began to formulate my views, as I thought about the way sex worked.
I can safely say I will never be interested in sex. Yes, I might want to get pregnant someday, you never know (but not in the ‘my biological clock is ticking’ kind of way), but I still wholly wish to adopt, but only when I’ve had my life first. I have my friends, my writing, my curiosity, until then. Yes, I’ve stopped judging other people’s non-marital relationships as being more then just sex, so maybe they should stop their stereotyping of mine.
People also think he a ‘doormat’ because he dares do what a woman tells him, and think that he wishes to ‘protect’ or ‘save’ when he’s anything but a chauvinist pig. A certain someone also thinks he’ll agree if anything I see because if not, I would ‘rage’ and thinks that I am also ‘raging’. Another stereotype, as her experiences do not apply to all.
They contain waste products. How can they not be disgusting? And most women don’t exactly look forward to periods.
If you ‘need’ sex (sex is not a ‘need’ unless you are a man unable to come from masturbation or wet dreams), then you are a pretty sad person indeed. What does that say for asexuals?
“I was curious as to what others who claim to be feminists believe. “
Fair enough
“No, they have not right to be selfish, hypocritical monsters. They were a foetus once, they were once that ‘parasite’, that ‘accident’, that ‘mistake’, that [insert other, sick, disgusting words for an innocent life here]. Every thing on the planet is technically a parasite, as we must feed on another living thing to survive (most plants are perhaps the expection). Besides, a parasite is defined as a creature of other species. No, it was irresponsible for her to go sleeping around full stop. Pregnancy does not to be ‘protected’ from. Nor is it an ‘accident’ or ‘unwanted’. If it was, that woman would not have choosen to have sex. If she could not ‘afford it’ (which is bullshit anyway), or ‘was not ready’ then she would not be ready to have a penis inside her. Pregnancy, apart from childbirth, is nothing compared to sex that came before it. No one can predict the future. My mother given the suggestion to abort me because of my conditions, they said I would never walk, talk, read or write. And I’ve done that and so much more. How would she have known that if she was so selfish (not to mention she wanted a child).”
I can see why you place a lot of value in “pro-life” considering your circumstances. Your case was a success story. This doesn’t always happen though, and there a lot of negative experiences out there that people are considering when having an abortion as well. And your case may just have easily have failed. What if you couldn’t walk or talk? What if you couldn’t see at all, and not hear?
What if your mother didn’t know how to raise a child and neglected to look after you? Yeah, like I said, people should be responsible and not get pregnant in the first place if they realise they can’t be parents (and some people are never “ready”). But to expect them to never have sex because of this is a bit much, but I’ll get to that later…
“If the ‘women’ (or stupid, selfish girl) really is so heartless and inhuman, then she can find another family to give the child to.”
You do realise how many orphans there are that never get people to look after them, right? And how rough it is for them, right?
“It is not ‘selfish’, it is not ‘sexist’, it is not ‘oppressive’ or ‘trying to control women’ (when they have allowed themselves to be controlled by men), it is equality for all. And again, just like others who believe that disgusting, selfish, sexist attitude, you ignore the potential suffering of the man who just lost his child. That’s not utterly sexist, a double standard, and hypocritical or anything.”
Thought exercise: what if it was the woman who wanted to keep the child, and the man who wanted her to get the abortion, because he didn’t want the responsibility? Guys do that sometimes, you know.
“Here we go with the period excuse. That, again, is natural. Simple. Just like pregnancy is.”
Miscarriages are natural too.
“Not if they are boasting about it and calling it their ‘feminist right’ or whatever. It is not ‘harassment’ or when that girl has already broken that great boundary. She is hypocritical to complain as she is a sexual being. It is natural, as OMG, men have a right to a sex drive as well. I just keep coming back to correct the idiotic assumptions and pettiness of these compete strangers.”
She has a right to complain. People need to work and study in harassment free environments. And harassment has little to do with sex drive and more to do with the harasser wanting to get a reaction out of the harrassee.
“As I said, it gives feminism a bad name and encourages selfishness and sexism against men. “
Some girls out there do. Maybe these bloggers or whatever are idiots but that doesn’t mean women everywhere who have a sex drive have to put up with men being an ass. It’s wrong for a woman to do that to a man so why not vice versa?
“It is not ‘extreme’. They are far more extreme things you can do to harm the body, my dear. Rape is not some special crime. It is simply abuse as horrid as any other.”
Yes that is true there are worse things. It is still a serious crime though.
“ Let me give another example then – if I were hit someone who did not deserve it, then I could not complain about someone else striking me, as I’ve already done that.”
Hitting someone is a form of harm. Having consensual sex with someone is not a form of harm. It is a reward; the guy and girl (or whatever variation of sexes) are enjoying each other’s company. If someone hit you after you gave them a reward that would be rather unfair wouldn’t it?
“Excluding the marriage/engagement thing I mentioned, that girl is a hypocrite for claiming rape as she had already been penetrated and regardless of the damage, it makes no difference to her status. And I also explained why she is really traumatized, but again, that is not make the mental suffering any less real.”
Her status.
So according to you, never mind the physical trauma, her reproductive (and possibly internal) organs bleeding, the lack of security, the disgust. It’s her status that she has to worry about. If she doesn’t have that, then why worry? Her status is such a precious thing to lose if she gave it up before it’s karma if she gets raped. She should never have given up her “status”. But if she was a virgin who lost her “status”, it’s a horrible atrocity.
Is that seriously what you’re saying?
“That’s not what I meant. What I meant is, if a virgin woman became engaged or married someone, male or female, and even if they were to have sex with them, they could still be raped, as they have made a commitment to someone and that violator is also violating the commitment. As for the other bit, if a virgin woman were to have sex with a man/woman and commit to them, then for some reason they break up (I’m not saying it is her fault), and she get manages to get a relationship with another man or woman, she is a hypocrite if she ever claims he or she is ‘cheating’ on or ‘betraying’ her, as she already cheated on them. They just had the kindness and goodness to forgive her (they do that if they pursue the relationship). If that woman was a widow, however, then I suppose it can be considered cheating on the other partner’s part (you know, the whole ‘death do us part’ bit).”
How can she cheat on him if she at the time didn’t even know him? How do you betray someone you don’t even know? Didn’t you already say you can’t predict the future? What if your BF decides to leave you or you leave him, does that mean you’ve already betrayed the next man (or woman) who loves you?
“Well, they don’t.”
You cannot judge the behaviour of the majority of “non-virgins” based on the opinions of a bunch of bloggers or LJers you found online.
“No, it is not an ‘issue’. The issue is that it exists for non-rape reasons.” It kind of is. It’s discussed on the news or talk shows and magazines quite a bit sometimes.
Just an example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of…
“I already explained – the selfishness in regards to pregnancy and the possible betrayal. They have no reason to have sex, but can still chose to if they wish. Again, I never said or implied I would stop anyone making that choice. I am not one of those disgusting people who think a woman who does not want children (again, if she did not, she would not partake in heterosexual intercourse for ‘fun’), or is infertile is horrible person or, sickeningly, ‘broken’. Again, it’s the attitudes I dislike.”
Okay
“I’ve said that before too. As my mother was not one to lie, when I put forth the big baby question at six, she bought me a book (for children) called “Where do I Come From?. Of course, these idiots on here think she ‘traumatized me’ and that a six year old could not possibility understand such a thing. The other parents were like that too, “*gasp* it has nude pictures! That’s obscene!”. And as I learned more in reproduction lessons (what you would call ‘sex ed’, I’m guessing) in science in first and second year, then biology and human biology the rest, I began to formulate my views, as I thought about the way sex worked.”
No offense, but I think you do seem kind of traumatised, but more likely from your “sex-ed”. It might not even be caused by either, but whatever the cause, you simply had some sort of issue with things and people speculated why that would be. And no, you’re not curled up on the bed in a catatonic state, but you seem to be highly concerned with virginity and STD’s and “germy penises” that most people don’t worry about. And yeah I know you go out and do other things and live life. But it has affected you in your behaviour towards others.
“I can safely say I will never be interested in sex. Yes, I might want to get pregnant someday, you never know (but not in the ‘my biological clock is ticking’ kind of way), but I still wholly wish to adopt, but only when I’ve had my life first. I have my friends, my writing, my curiosity, until then. Yes, I’ve stopped judging other people’s non-marital relationships as being more then just sex, so maybe they should stop their stereotyping of mine.
People also think he a ‘doormat’ because he dares do what a woman tells him, and think that he wishes to ‘protect’ or ‘save’ when he’s anything but a chauvinist pig. A certain someone also thinks he’ll agree if anything I see because if not, I would ‘rage’ and thinks that I am also ‘raging’. Another stereotype, as her experiences do not apply to all.”
I’m staying out of that.
“They contain waste products. How can they not be disgusting? And most women don’t exactly look forward to periods.”
Cum? It’s usually clean if a guy or girl washes beforehand and considered a fun and safe product of the body. Some people have even tried consuming it
“If you ‘need’ sex (sex is not a ‘need’ unless you are a man unable to come from masturbation or wet dreams), then you are a pretty sad person indeed. What does that say for asexuals?”
Well, sexual release anyway, I should have said sexual activity. What can I say though, women have needs. It’s like needing to go to the toilet, you can hold it off as you need to be sociably acceptable, but you can’t hold it off forever, and you can’t expect couples and people everywhere to hold it off indefinitely because say they don’t want kids. It’s kind of cruel, don’t you think?
I don’t know what it says about asexuals, I really can’t say. I’m not going to say “OMG you’re missing out on this fun!” As that would be condescending. It would be nice not to not be concerned with “OMG these women should be strong proud honourable virgins!” as that is sort of condescending too.
There would still be ways to live. Everyone deserves a life unless they ruin the life of another. If you have that attitude, what does that say for deafblind children, or children/adults who cannot look after themselves at all (due to a mental condition or underdevelopment). And even when it comes to criminals, I still think they deserve the right to books and art (my government recently tried to ban both). It sounds cheesy, these stories, I know, but real life can be like that sometimes.
Well, then that would be her fault, and if that were the situation, I would hope I was given a better home. Yes, abuse is disgusting no matter what, but many people have risen above such a thing.
Again, they chose to have sex. The intelligent and most responsible thing would be to do that, but I know not everyone can resist lust. She is just selfish if she tries to get rid of it if or when it happens.
Of course I do. And while I know I cannot help them all, if I can at least give one, or two (I would still feel horrible about the children I’ve left behind) a good, loving home, I will had made some difference, even if it is so insignificant and will make no difference over all. It is because people are too selfish to adopt. Yes, you are free to have children the biological way, but I just wish people would consider adopting more. And besides, what’s to stop someone having a child biologically and from adoption. They are just as much your children. Your real parents are those who raise you. ‘Adopted’ should not be a prefix. I’m saying this because I’ve noticed they always separate children in those categories when naming them.
I know of this too, you know. He can walk away, just like the woman can give the child to someone else to raise. However, I am not being sexist here, as he’s is as much of a selfish prick as it would be with the genders the other way around. It takes two to tango, as they say.
Miscarriage is not on purpose, as you just stated. You cannot choose to miscarry. It is a tragic part of nature.
Ok, that is a point, and makes sense.
Urgh. They are not ‘being an ass’. Sure, they are letting themselves get carried away with that natural lust, but it is not evil. Because the man is not penetrated, the man’s body does not change so much. That’s not to say I don’t think lesbians can’t be raped, even if they used a dildo (but you’re kind of bisexual, then). Most men don’t feel pain either, whereas as a woman’s body to needs adjust to something being in there (yes, I know that some woman feel no pain, or have masturbated beforehand, but then you’re a non-virgin anyway). Yes, I know that you can tighten right back up afterwards if you don’t do it again for a while, but it does not change what has happened. I’m not saying that in a sexist way. I’m just saying that sex a big step in life (for men as well) and people treat it as if it is nothing. It can signal a commitment, it can result in the creation of new life, it can make you feel like a different person. Again, I’m not saying that applies to all, but those people who don’t feel even the slightest bit different are in denial.
Again, I never said it was not. Mind you, I tend to judge the severity of a physical or mental violation by how painful it is or what kinds of affects it had on the person’s mind, so I know that does not apply to all.
No, it is hypocrisy. Saying that one man can do all this stuff with you and another suddenly can’t because he’s no that man is hypocrisy because she has already done all that stuff, and it would make no difference doing it again. No, it is hypocrisy. Again, as I said, it makes the trauma no less real, but it is not for those reasons. It is her realising how foolish she was and how she cannot go back to the way things were before (no, not in regards to second partner, but her taking the step too early). She still deserves all the comfort and help she needs.
Again, as she made a commitment to someone, as well as violating her, that person is violating her commitment to that person, and if that person were to reject her afterwards, she or he would be almost as bad as the rapist. I say the same for those sick cunts who break up with someone or dump them because they were raped and therefore ‘someone got there first’. That ‘first’ was not her choice. And it was not really a first in the first place, as she did not consent.
Yes, I did, but that person still rushed in too fast, most likely. Some relationships just don’t work out, and that is a sad thing (I mean that truly, as all that love and connections ended up for naught because something happened). If someone wants to date a girl (or a guy) who has been with another, all the power to them, they are strong people, but it still hypocritical to claim cheating, even if it wasn’t the claimer’s fault that the relationship failed, as she already made a commitment to another.
All of these people are pretty good examples as well, as well those DA stamps and whatnot.
I haven’t had sex with him. It is still be no less sad, but I have not handled my body over to someone else (no, we don’t do the ‘I belong to you and you belong to me’ nonsense).
Yes, people make it in issue, a selfish issues. Incest and rape are not selfish reasons, even if it is still unfair to the new life. There is no hypocrisy or selfishness there.
“I also support it because of equality. Equality for all. And while it is not the reason why, I am also sick of the ‘feminists’ who scream that being anti-abortion is automatically ‘anti-women’ no matter what. Another example is a old secondary school friend of mine. She was born at roughly the same time as me (well, I was fourteen weeks early, her a month), and she weighed even less than me, and has/had worse eyesight (well, I was born blind and she could see, but hers became worse than mine from a very young age) and she made it through as well, she did those things as well. Babies are strong. “
While it is good that your friend also made it through, unfortunately not all babies are strong
Eg, www.news.com.au/lifestyle/heal…
There are positive outcomes, there are negative outcomes, and each case is individual.
“There would still be ways to live. Everyone deserves a life unless they ruin the life of another. If you have that attitude, what does that say for deafblind children, or children/adults who cannot look after themselves at all (due to a mental condition or underdevelopment). And even when it comes to criminals, I still think they deserve the right to books and art (my government recently tried to ban both). It sounds cheesy, these stories, I know, but real life can be like that sometimes.”
If I were talking about being simply blind alone, or deaf alone, it wouldn’t be so much of an issue. But blind as well as deaf? As well as being unable to walk? How much disability can an individual put up with? What if the kid was going to get cancer and would have a short life with nothing but pain?
“Well, then that would be her fault, and if that were the situation, I would hope I was given a better home. Yes, abuse is disgusting no matter what, but many people have risen above such a thing.
Again, they chose to have sex. The intelligent and most responsible thing would be to do that, but I know not everyone can resist lust. She is just selfish if she tries to get rid of it if or when it happens.”
It is far less selfish to stop something born before it can even feel pain than to bring a life into the world where it will know nothing but. She shouldn’t have gotten pregnant yes, but sometimes abortion is a kinder alternative.
“Of course I do. And while I know I cannot help them all, if I can at least give one, or two (I would still feel horrible about the children I’ve left behind) a good, loving home, I will had made some difference, even if it is so insignificant and will make no difference over all. It is because people are too selfish to adopt. Yes, you are free to have children the biological way, but I just wish people would consider adopting more. And besides, what’s to stop someone having a child biologically and from adoption. They are just as much your children. Your real parents are those who raise you. ‘Adopted’ should not be a prefix. I’m saying this because I’ve noticed they always separate children in those categories when naming them.”
This is true.
“Miscarriage is not on purpose, as you just stated. You cannot choose to miscarry. It is a tragic part of nature.”
Point being just because something is natural does not always make it so great. Caesareans are sometimes done to save the life of a baby. Are they natural?
“Urgh. They are not ‘being an ass’. Sure, they are letting themselves get carried away with that natural lust, but it is not evil.”
Okay, harassment is not “evil evil” but it’s still bad. A person can be sued if they do that. Besides, you don’t want someone you don’t care for deciding to try copping a feel from you, do you?
“Because the man is not penetrated, the man’s body does not change so much. That’s not to say I don’t think lesbians can’t be raped, even if they used a dildo (but you’re kind of bisexual, then).”
…..Rape however is evil.
“Most men don’t feel pain either, whereas as a woman’s body to needs adjust to something being in there (yes, I know that some woman feel no pain, or have masturbated beforehand, but then you’re a non-virgin anyway). Yes, I know that you can tighten right back up afterwards if you don’t do it again for a while, but it does not change what has happened. I’m not saying that in a sexist way. I’m just saying that sex a big step in life (for men as well) and people treat it as if it is nothing. It can signal a commitment, it can result in the creation of new life, it can make you feel like a different person. Again, I’m not saying that applies to all, but those people who don’t feel even the slightest bit different are in denial.”
Why does this “change” matter in regards to harassment or rape?
“Again, I never said it was not. Mind you, I tend to judge the severity of a physical or mental violation by how painful it is or what kinds of affects it had on the person’s mind, so I know that does not apply to all.”
While there are different situations that should be treated differently, this can get abused.
“No, it is hypocrisy. Saying that one man can do all this stuff with you and another suddenly can’t because he’s no that man is hypocrisy because she has already done all that stuff, and it would make no difference doing it again. No, it is hypocrisy. Again, as I said, it makes the trauma no less real, but it is not for those reasons. It is her realising how foolish she was and how she cannot go back to the way things were before (no, not in regards to second partner, but her taking the step too early).”
I do not think that is what her problem would be. That is what your problem is, and yours alone because for some reason you’re placing a lot of value into being a virgin and whether a person is rushing into a sex or not, it shouldn’t matter. No-one cares except for the odd religious nut. You know why? A woman’s body is her own. It is not hypocrisy to complain about getting raped, because what she did was never wrong in the first place, because it’s her body, and her right to do with it what she wants. She could be the next Paris Hilton but it would still be her body and her right.
For some reason you really “dislike” this change from having sex or think it is really immoral. Yeah, there might be a difference afterwards, but it’s not bad thing. You think it’s so bad, life after sex, and that the way things “were before” is so much better? I think you’re afraid of change, or at least that change. And for what? What do you THINK would happen if, for some odd reason, you did have consensual sex? I know you’re asexual, but say someone slipped you an aphrodisiac. You had an operation on your brain, whatever, just flex your imagination a bit. Humour me. You did it, the next morning, you go to the doctor, and you caught nothing after some tests. You didn’t become pregnant. What then? What different sort of person would you become?
“She still deserves all the comfort and help she needs. “
Yes she does.
“Again, as she made a commitment to someone, as well as violating her, that person is violating her commitment to that person, and if that person were to reject her afterwards, she or he would be almost as bad as the rapist. I say the same for those sick cunts who break up with someone or dump them because they were raped and therefore ‘someone got there first’. That ‘first’ was not her choice. And it was not really a first in the first place, as she did not consent.”
It would be wrong.
“Yes, I did, but that person still rushed in too fast, most likely. Some relationships just don’t work out, and that is a sad thing (I mean that truly, as all that love and connections ended up for naught because something happened). If someone wants to date a girl (or a guy) who has been with another, all the power to them, they are strong people, but it still hypocritical to claim cheating, even if it wasn’t the claimer’s fault that the relationship failed, as she already made a commitment to another. “
Cheating is bad not because it’s hypocritical, it’s bad because your partner wants you to love him or her. A person might have not had any partners before. Like you, you might not have had any partner before your BF. But if you went out and kissed someone while you agreed to be with him, you’d be cheating. If he went out and kissed a girl at the moment, he’d be cheating on you. If you however kissed someone before you even knew your BF, it wouldn’t be cheating. If you kiss your BF, you’re not cheating on your previous partner, because it would be over between you and that person. On the odd chance you have cheated on your BF, if he decided to kiss someone, he’s still be wrong, as he would be no better than you, (but you would also be in the wrong in the first place). If there is one thing that is hypocritical in this world, it is revenge.
“I haven’t had sex with him. It is still be no less sad, but I have not handled my body over to someone else (no, we don’t do the ‘I belong to you and you belong to me’ nonsense).”
That’s your prerogative.
We have charities over here for deafblind children. They can learn braille, explore the world through touch, have sensory toys. Those people can still enjoy life even if they cannot look after themselves. If they want to, on their own terms, die because it is too much for them, that is a whole different topic, but it is the decision and thoughts of the that person and that person alone who decides whether he or she likes his or her life.
Again, it is the person's choice whether their live is good or not.
I'm glad you think so.
But a C-section is not selfish, as you stated. Yes, we can all be selfish at times, but there is a level limit. For example, wishing to entertain ourselves, and asking for books, or technology, or whatever resources for it can be considered selfish. And there is always the survival instinct again, which can appear in negative ways. Yes, we thankfully have people who are dedicated to saving the life of others, but if a situation is really dire, we most likely will do anything we can to preserve ourselves.
Of course.
Again, of course.
She can just ignored it.
No, no, as I said to another person, you can be in a heterosexual, sexually-active relationship and still be feminist. Most married women are non-virigins, I know it is rare to become pregnant on the first attempt, etc. There is just a difference between 'meaningful sex' and 'throwing yourself at someone because you are letting lust control you'. I place a value on it in regards to romance and marriage because it makes sense. Again, people assume it for religious reasons. That's not the only reason, I've shown and observed. It is not fully 'her body' if she has given herself to another. Virgins have someone to lose (no, I am not saying rape is bad for the loss of virginity, but the heinous crime of someone taking and violating her body). A heterosexually non-virgin female does not have anything to violate unless she is engaged or married. She can sleep with as many or as few people she wants, but that does mean she can deny people the right to avoid her or have an opinion on her.
No, I don't think it's bad. I'm just saying there is some kind of change, no matter how small, and I (and I'm not the only one) just wishes people would be more careful and realize that it can only happen once. You can only give that gift to one person. And most people don't want it for 'religious' reasons.
Well, I would be a mother. I would not let that define me as a woman, but I know I would do my damnest to make sure they have a good life. The bit I would be terrified over would be the childbirth. I know it is natural, but I would also worry this tiny body of mine could not take it (I don't think I'm 'weak' as that is anti-feminist, as I am will fight and protect myself if needed), but that, along with the shit my mother went through with both me and my brother, doesn't exactly give me confidence, and she's of average height and no medical conditions to speak of. I would get a C-section. And I would hope Matt would be there to help. I know he would not abandon me.
Again, of course. It would be disgusting. Not to mention it just piles on to the suffering the victim already had. And not forgetting how much courage and trust it takes for someone to confess such a thing.
Well, I would not, as I respect him.
Oh, I should say, I do not think sex is the ultimate commitment, as I hope implied (but implied the former there).
No, it just because someone is 'in the past' it does not chance the fact that it happened it. That relationship failed, therefore, making what happened in it pointless. Yes, I believe former partners can be friends, but how can you be friends with someone you slept with? That is why I did not understand the whole 'friends with benefits' thing. You have been so very, very, close with that person. Yes, that second, or third (after that, you're just getting desperate), can be your 'one' (I do naively wish that our first adult relationships can be our 'ones', but life is cruel) but that person still cannot claim cheating.
I in fact dislike those people who think 'we haven't done anything yet, he/she must not love me!', and I'm guessing I'm not the only one in that regard? But that's another thing casual sex has let to.
Well, as you said, I suppose the kissing would count.
“Oh, silly me there. I meant to say that I/she was born fourteen weeks/a month early. No child could survive that early. Yes, you are right, and if those negative things happen, that is life, and we must mourn. However, even babies have the survival instinct. Ok, it seems to only manifest as 'if I make enough noise, someone will help me', but a sick infant will still want to survive. Ah, I saw a documentary about those twins. At least the parents gave them the chance. There is always exceptions.
We have charities over here for deafblind children. They can learn braille, explore the world through touch, have sensory toys. Those people can still enjoy life even if they cannot look after themselves. If they want to, on their own terms, die because it is too much for them, that is a whole different topic, but it is the decision and thoughts of the that person and that person alone who decides whether he or she likes her life.
Again, it is the person's choice whether their live is good or not”
Yes, it is that person’s decision. Although in cases where someone severely ill and is also incompetent, and there is not much hope for the person recovering, and their decision to continue living or continue suffering is unknown, the decision to end a life is left up to the family. In the case of an unborn child, it is best left up to the mother, which would be the said family.
“But a C-section is not selfish, as you stated. Yes, we can all be selfish at times, but there is a level limit. For example, wishing to entertain ourselves, and asking for books, or technology, or whatever resources for it can be considered selfish. And there is always the survival instinct again, which can appear in negative ways. Yes, we thankfully have people who are dedicated to saving the life of others, but if a situation is really dire, we most likely will do anything we can to preserve ourselves.”
Yet you believe abortion is selfish. Yet it isn’t selfish if you want to stop or prevent someone suffering.
Murder is wrong and selfish. Ending a life in the case of euthanasia or self-defence, is not.
“She can just ignored it.”
And if someone off the street decided to try feeling your boobs, are you going to ignore it and let him continue?
“No, no, as I said to another person, you can be in a heterosexual, sexually-active relationship and still be feminist. Most married women are non-virigins, I know it is rare to become pregnant on the first attempt, etc. There is just a difference between 'meaningful sex' and 'throwing yourself at someone because you are letting lust control you'.”
There is also a lot of grey area in between.
“I place a value on it in regards to romance and marriage because it makes sense. Again, people assume it for religious reasons. That's not the only reason, I've shown and observed. It is not fully 'her body' if she has given herself to another. Virgins have someone to lose (no, I am not saying rape is bad for the loss of virginity, but the heinous crime of someone taking and violating her body). A heterosexually non-virgin female does not have anything to violate unless she is engaged or married. She can sleep with as many or as few people she wants, but that does mean she can deny people the right to avoid her or have an opinion on her.”
She does have something she has lost, same as a virgin, as you described above “the heinous crime of someone taking and violating her body” but why do you think this doesn’t happen to non-virgins?
Why do you think “it is not fully her body” and that “it’s given to another” so completely?
What evidence can you provide that a woman does, would or should have her rights to her own body lost, that any sort of enslavement, either physical, mental or otherwise, starts the moment she has any sort of sexual activity, whether in a commitment or outside of one?
“No, I don't think it's bad. I'm just saying there is some kind of change, no matter how small, and I (and I'm not the only one) just wishes people would be more careful and realize that it can only happen once. You can only give that gift to one person. And most people don't want it for 'religious' reasons.”
Yes, but to believe the change is so severe that it’s hypocrisy when a non-virgin complains about rape?
“Well, I would be a mother. I would not let that define me as a woman, but I know I would do my damnest to make sure they have a good life. The bit I would be terrified over would be the childbirth. I know it unnatural, but I would also worry this tiny body of mine could not take it (I don't think I'm 'weak' as that is anti-feminist, as I am will fight and protect myself if needed), but that, along with the shit my mother went through with both me and my brother, doesn't exactly give me confidence, and she's of average height and no medical conditions to speak of. I would get a C-section. And I would hope Matt would be there to help. I know he would not abandon me.”
Yes, but what if you HAD sex, but DIDN’T become pregnant? Next day, go to doctor, no STD’s, no pregnancy. What would happen to you, do you think?
“Again, of course. It would be disgusting. Not to mention it just piles on to the suffering the victim already had. And not forgetting how much courage and trust it takes for someone to confess such a thing.”
Indeed
“Oh, I should say, I do not think sex is the ultimate commitment, as I hope implied (but implied the former there).
No, it just because someone is 'in the past' it does not chance the fact that it happened it. That relationship failed, therefore, making what happened in it pointless.”
I’m not saying former relationships end up being pointless or that it never happened. I’m saying what a person does in previous relationships doesn’t have any bearing on future ones in regards to cheating.
“Yes, I believe former partners can be friends, but how can you be friends with someone you slept with? That is why I did not understand the whole 'friends with benefits' thing. You have been so very, very, close with that person. Yes, that second, or third (after that, you're just getting desperate), can be your 'one' (I do naively wish that our first adult relationships can be our 'ones', but life is cruel) but that person still cannot claim cheating.”
I guess you’d have to ask someone who has slept with someone for that. It does happen though and it simply doesn’t affect other people the same it does with others.
“I in fact dislike those people who think 'we haven't done anything yet, he/she must not love me!', and I'm guessing I'm not the only one in that regard? But that's another thing casual sex has let to.”
You’re the only person I know of that considers what a person does before a relationship qualifies as cheating.
Why do you dislike them?
“Well, as you said, I suppose the kissing would count.”
Yep.
“I also forgot to mention a bit in regards to pregnancy - what if my allergies or conditions were to be passed down as well? I know they say it's fifty percent, but it's still fifty percent. If my child had those conditions, it would be all my fault. Yes, that child might be able to live life normally despite them, but I would still feel guilty that they had them.”
I dread the thought of having a child myself. It’s times like that I consider getting my tubes tied. But I’m forever alone anyway so why worry? But I asked you to stretch your imagination, so I’ll stretch mine in return.
If I had a child that had the same problems that I or my family has, or I passed on some disability, I’d have to live with that guilt. It would eat away it me, I guess, but there will be ways in life to deal with that guilt. In guess one way would be to channel it into helping the child cope with whatever problem it gets. If the guilt got too severe, I would have to seek help as I would not only have to look after my own well-being but the well-being of the kid who would depend on me, and I would have to realise this.
I don’t know if that would apply to you
No. That child has yet to even begins its life. It deserves a chance, not to be murdered by some heartless cow. The father, if willing, can take the child, or again, it can be given to another family. Just as the mother can keep the child if the father is a heartless bastard.
But again, you don’t know if that person will suffer. And that person who wants to end that life again was a foetus once. Euthanasia is the choice of the person wishing it unless they cannot give consent, then indeed it is the choice of the family. That foetus has yet to begin life in the real world. Again, unless the pregnancy could cause the mother’s death, or it was the result of rape, there is no reason to abort.
That is different. That is physical. Words from a stranger who knows nothing of you can be ignored.
Because she already gave herself to someone. Yes, she will suffer physically because that attacker obviously cares nothing for her, or sometimes, does not know what they are doing (it can happen, but the attacker would still be at fault), but she is not losing anything physically. Well, because sex, for women, tends to be more about emotions than physical thing (again, women who can be completely without emotions is a cold being), and due to the way sex works, she be very open and exposed to her partner, male or female. It is not slavery within commitment. Yes, I know sex is about lust, but again, it can be romantic in a committed relationship. But again, casual sex, swingers, BDSM, exist.
It’s not ‘severe’, that’s too harsh a word. Again, she already let another take he, and there being another, unless she is engaged or married, makes no difference in the long run. Her mind however, is a different matter, as we know.
Well, I’d probably just think “Well, fuck.” As then I would to give myself those names and insults. I’m good at insulting myself, after all.
Well, it does to some people, including me. Some people (not for religious reasons) think that sex outside of marriage, even with the person they are going to marry is betraying their future husband/wife (or only husband, because we all know lesbians are just trying to get attention -_-) or not being the strength and respect to wait until they are wed. I’m not that extreme, especially in regards to the ‘with the same person part’ and the fiancé/fiance is just as guilty for that last part as well. Some people just don’t like someone having a ‘sexual past’ to thin about. And no, it’s not because they ‘worry they might not be good enough’, unlike most ‘feminists’ say (I’m not saying you think this, I’m just giving an example of such attitudes again).
But other people are free to view such things however they like. To have our own opinions, no matter what, is a form of equality.
Again, I don’t dislike them. I don’t like the attitude and selfishness.
:Nod:
Forever alone? Now, now, why would you say that? As sappy, pathetic, and naïve as this sounds, you will find someone. Yes, I dread to think that there are people who have existed that, no matter how much they tried, never found that speical someone, but no-one deserves to die alone. No-one. For some reason, I can even extend that to the lowest and sickest of criminals. Seeing their loved ones, if they have any, might just make them think before they lose cognitive thinking, die and go to hell. That’s a sick thing right? To think that they deserve someone so…kind.
Eh, um, sorry
Ah, so I could use my experiences to help them? How logical (not sarcsasm). I mean sure, they could be a whiney little, “But you’re not me! You don’t understaaaannnddd!” but I would do my best to dispel that attitude. But of course. I would never want to be in a situation where I could not look after them. Also, as…old fashioned, maybe a little anti-feminist as this sounds, if I could raise a child, adopted or biological, I will made another achievement – I would add to the people who prove that disabilities does not mean one cannot be a good parent.
But that’s a long, long time away, after lots of training and confidence building.
“For the first one, yes. However, just out of curiosity, what is your opinion in regards to comas? Or permanent comas? It is true in some cases that the person can hear.”
Depends if there’s a chance of recovering. If there is, then all the best for the person in the coma. If not, in the permanent case, what’s the point in keeping that person “alive”? The person is gone, all that’s left is a heart beating and a body working which is not really what defines as “life life” to me, not without the mind and/or soul.
“No. That child has yet to even begins its life. It deserves a chance, not to be murdered by some heartless cow. The father, if willing, can take the child, or again, it can be given to another family. Just as the mother can keep the child if the father is a heartless bastard.
But again, you don’t know if that person will suffer. And that person who wants to end that life again was a foetus once. Euthanasia is the choice of the person wishing it unless they cannot give consent, then indeed it is the choice of the family. That foetus has yet to begin life in the real world. Again, unless the pregnancy could cause the mother’s death, or it was the result of rape, there is no reason to abort.”
While I disagree, as I would include cases of severe illnesses, or would still find it worse to simply bring a life into the world and abandon it (few people are adopting at all) and/or worse (there are horrible parents out there), what am I going to do? I value quality of life, you value life. I will -try- for once not to go forcing my views down someone’s throat. Maybe agree to disagree.
“That is different. That is physical. Words from a stranger who knows nothing of you can be ignored.”
True to an extent. Have you practised this though?
“Because she already gave herself to someone. Yes, she will suffer physically because that attacker obviously cares nothing for her, or sometimes, does not know what they are doing (it can happen, but the attacker would still be at fault), but she is not losing anything physically. Well, because sex, for women, tends to be more about emotions than physical thing (again, women who can be completely without emotions is a cold being), and due to the way sex works, she be very open and exposed to her partner, male or female. It is not slavery within commitment. Yes, I know sex is about lust, but again, it can be romantic in a committed relationship. But again, casual sex, swingers, BDSM, exist.”
If you are referring to consent, if this is your evidence, consent is not “giving herself to someone”. No more than asking someone to scratch your back so you can get rid of an itch means you are giving yourself to that person (or scratching someone else’s back). There may be love involved, there may be not, but either way, she or he still owns themselves.
If you are referring to love, well again, this doesn’t necessarily involve sex, and a person is still owned by themselves. Having a BF you should know this.
Being open or exposed isn’t giving away a person’s body. Whether you mean getting naked (my doctor has already seen me heaps of times. He don’t own me) or opening yourself emotionally which doesn’t always occur sexually anyway (I’m open to my family and friends they don’t own me either).
No-one, short of a satanic ritual, gives themselves to anybody in this permanent basis you seem to think of.
“It’s not ‘severe’, that’s too harsh a word. Again, she already let another take he, and there being another, unless she is engaged or married, makes no difference in the long run. Her mind however, is a different matter, as we know.”
Not severe? “makes no difference?” Do even realise the gravity of what you say? Why so many people have been upset at you?
“Well, I’d probably just think “Well, fuck.” As then I would to give myself those names and insults. I’m good at insulting myself, after all.”
What insults? “weak”, “submissive”, “whore”… When in fact you’d just end up being like the rest of the human race who has sex for pleasure. Well I’m sorry if anyone doing it means becoming something you dislike but face it people are human.
“Well, it does to some people, including me. Some people (not for religious reasons) think that sex outside of marriage, even with the person they are going to marry is betraying their future husband/wife”
But the people who have sex are usually either in the belief they ARE having sex with the future spouse or don’t even have any plan to have a commitment ever.
“ (or only husband, because we all know lesbians are just trying to get attention -_-)”
Are you a supporter of LGBT or are you not?
“ or not being the strength and respect to wait until they are wed. I’m not that extreme, especially in regards to the ‘with the same person part’ and the fiancé/fiance is just as guilty for that last part as well. Some people just don’t like someone having a ‘sexual past’ to thin about. And no, it’s not because they ‘worry they might not be good enough’, unlike most ‘feminists’ say (I’m not saying you think this, I’m just giving an example of such attitudes again).”
Yeah people should wait. But once again, people are human.
“But other people are free to view such things however they like. To have our own opinions, no matter what, is a form of equality.”
We have our right to free speech, but we also have our right to live in a non-threatening environment.
“Forever alone? Now, now, why would you say that? As sappy, pathetic, and naïve as this sounds, you will find someone. Yes, I dread to think that there are people who have existed that, no matter how much they tried, never found that speical someone, but no-one deserves to die alone. No-one. For some reason, I can even extend that to the lowest and sickest of criminals. Seeing their loved ones, if they have any, might just make them think before they lose cognitive thinking, die and go to hell. That’s a sick thing right? To think that they deserve someone so…kind.
As touching as this is, I have to face facts; I dug my own grave here. This is what I get for spending my youth running around getting into people’s faces about how evil I thought sex was and how holier I was than everyone else. I was a little bigot and now I’m paying the price. Besides the one time I did have a BF I had to break up with him because I couldn’t put out and he wanted me to; he ended up taking it out on others by going out getting drunk and getting into fights, which scared me, but I realised I was being cruel; what was I going to do, continue on and marry him and on the wedding night refuse to do anything? Keep him in effect celibate for the rest of his life?
Anyway, I disgress. I am the one who has isolated myself. VERY much like you have begun to do so to yourself. That is why I am here. Change before you end up like me. This is not a threat, this is a warning.
“Eh, um, sorry
. I just get a little carried away when people have this opinion of themselves, given that I’m a pessimist. We don’t need more of our kind. People of that mind set are an expatriating lot.”
Okay
“Ah, so I could use my experiences to help them? How logical (not sarcsasm). I mean sure, they could be a whiney little, “But you’re not me! You don’t understaaaannnddd!” but I would do my best to dispel that attitude. But of course. I would never want to be in a situation where I could not look after them. Also, as…old fashioned, maybe a little anti-feminist as this sounds, if I could raise a child, adopted or biological, I will made another achievement – I would add to the people who prove that disabilities does not mean one cannot be a good parent.
But that’s a long, long time away, after lots of training and confidence building.”
People should not discriminate those with disabilities as they have a right to be a parent as much as anyone, so long as they are a good parent and cause no harm.
Neither can them.
Exactly. They were once that vulnerable, tiny life. They are basically saying that it is ok for them to be born, but if they were to chose to have and have the natural result of pregnancy, it is utterly and completely selfish for her to act like, “Oh, but I’m special, that baby will only be an inconvenience.” If their parents had not ‘allowed’ her to be born, she would not have been alive to be so selfish. Rape, incest and the mother’s life being in danger are the only viable, non-sexist, non-hypocritical, non-selfish reasons for an abortion.
Of course, I value quality of life. That is why I believe in that child deciding if their lives are good or not. Most children can tell if they are being abused. In addition, people don’t adopt as they do not bother to even consider it. As I said, there is nothing with wanting a child the biological way, but no one even considers adoption, even when having trouble getting pregnancy. They go through all the expensive IVF and whatnot before him for such reasons as ‘wanting the sensation of pregnancy’, a ‘child to carry on my blood’. Very well then. This is a detersive topic. I am just sick of the selfishness and ‘you are against abortion?! MISOGYNIST! ANTI-FEMINIST!” attitudes.
I do my best, but we all have a point where we can take no more. Yes, it’s hypocritical, but we are all hypocrites. If some person were to proposition me, or yell out someone sexual, I would just say something such as, “I’m a virgin and happy about it, thank you very much” and walk on.
Sex is unlike any act in the world. It can be compared to nothing.
I was not saying that sex equals love. I just believe that is an intimate thing that should be between two people engaged/married people (are they are now lawfully committed rather than just officially in their eyes) who love each other and them alone.
No, but the nakedness and design of sex means, weather she thinks so or not, a woman is very exposed and under the guidance of a man. I do not think there does not exist men who are just as nervous in that area, or that all girls are shy and terrified when it comes to sex, but the man is not the one allowing someone of the opposite gender inside their body, to have complete access to their body (yes, men allow that too, but it is not as much a woman does).
I simply understand what being two-faced and pompous is, thinking one is better than this person is even though they have already thrown themselves at another. Acting as if they have someone to preserve, something to keep, something to protect.
I have my body to protect and honour. I look after it; I will never it up give it to anyone.
Yes, but if I did not, I would be acting as if it is difference simply because I am me. That would be an incredibly arrogant thing to do.
Unless they are engaged or married, they obviously went in too soon.
Even if they don’t plan to have a commitment even though they are having se as a woman, again, they are rather heartless. Yes, not everyone wants to fall in love or get married, but if so, don’t go doing the very thing that is supposed to be a private thing between two committed people.
I am for them, of course. I’m not some intolerant cunt. I was simply showing the type of attitudes homophobes display. It is sometimes hard to convey vocal tones in writing, so I hoped the emote would show that. Sorry for the confusion.
True, true. Some just have more willpower than others do.
Yes, but that’s never going to happen. We can reduce it was much as possible, but as there will always exist someone to brainwash the next generation, who will then past it onto those after them, that will never be.
You were expressing your opinion and there is nothing wrong with that. If people want to choose to be offended at someone’s opinion on their choice, that is their problem, not yours. However, I do not think sex is ‘evil’. Virgins are better when so many girls are throwing that gift away at such a young age and outside lawful, complete commitment. If most girls were preserving themselves and being intelligent enough to know when it is good to do that, then it would not be so special.
Well, then, he was a prick. It’s not as if you were the first to be put in that position. You might one day find someone else with similar views. You sound young (not young young, but twenty-something) so it’s not as if you are running out of time.
However, even if I did not have a boyfriend, I would not care, as I don’t need to be in a relationship to be happy. Other people would just assume that it is because of my views and that would be their brainwashed opinion. He does not really care for sex. He loves me because I am strong, self-respecting, booze and drug free woman. Of course, we have a lot in common as well. Some of our opposites even compliment (hence why opposites attract sometimes). Yes, like most couples, we do argue every now and then or get annoyed at sometimes (he gets annoyed at my paranoia at other people’s opinions and I hate how messy he is, for example), but we know we will always get along.
Well, just like with other intolerances, it will always happen.
“I do my best, but we all have a point where we can take no more. Yes, it’s hypocritical, but we are all hypocrites. If some person were to proposition me, or yell out someone sexual, I would just say something such as, “I’m a virgin and happy about it, thank you very much” and walk on.”
Depends on the person, everybody is different in regards to how much they can take.
“Sex is unlike any act in the world. It can be compared to nothing.
I was not saying that sex equals love. I just believe that is an intimate thing that should be between two people engaged/married people (are they are now lawfully committed rather than just officially in their eyes) who love each other and them alone.”
Not everyone has this belief though. Not that they believe people who are married shouldn’t love/ have sex, just that it doesn’t necessarily have to be strictly within that marriage. Heck, there are some people who don’t even believe in marriage. Of course you have your beliefs if that’s what you want to do (save for marriage etc) that’s all good. But when someone else does different to what you do, who are you to condemn them?
“No, but the nakedness and design of sex means, weather she thinks so or not, a woman is very exposed and under the guidance of a man. I do not think there does not exist men who are just as nervous in that area, or that all girls are shy and terrified when it comes to sex, but the man is not the one allowing someone of the opposite gender inside their body, to have complete access to their body (yes, men allow that too, but it is not as much a woman does).”
Why not as much as a woman does? Why would that give her less rights over her body as a man? Why are men allowed to do whatever while women have to be all pure and proper, just because of this? Why should women who choose to have sex in spite of this be condemned to abuse?
“I simply understand what being two-faced and pompous is, thinking one is better than this person”
And you don’t think you’re better than non-virgins because you are a virgin? Weren’t you going around calling non-virgins a string of insults? You weren’t thinking you were better because you’re not “weak” “slutty” “brainwashed” etc….
“ is even though they have already thrown themselves at another.”
This doesn’t mean they should have to put up with rape. They don’t even do it to be pompous or because they think they are better or whatever. They have sex because they like someone.
“Acting as if they have someone to preserve, something to keep, something to protect.”
There are things to protect beyond virginity. As much as it is your right to keep to yourself, but with the way you put a fuss over those that don’t, why do you feel a woman has to protect virginity so much, why do you think that’s ALL a woman needs to protect and be upset over? Why do you feel you have to? A lot of people don’t care about virginity, why should you? Maybe this thing YOU feel the need to preserve and protect isn’t as valuable as you think it is.
“I have my body to protect and honour. I look after it; I will never it up give it to anyone.”
No-one’s going to steal your body. Sans body-snatchers, if they exist. Or demons. (don't demons actually PREFER harassing virgins?)
“Yes, but if I did not, I would be acting as if it is difference simply because I am me. That would be an incredibly arrogant thing to do.”
Well yeah that is true. But the point was, why give out those insults to anyone at all, even yourself? It’s like a homophobic person who is also gay throwing out
insults to himself and others as well. But the question is why does he want to insult people who are homosexual? Why do you feel the need to insult non-virgins?
Anyway you answered my question of what you think would happen to you after sex. You pointed out you would insult yourself. Is this what you feel the need to protect and honour? How you would not feel weak or slutty? Is this why you value virginity so much, just so you’re not these things?
“Unless they are engaged or married, they obviously went in too soon.”
It’s up to the parties involved to decide what is right for themselves.
“Even if they don’t plan to have a commitment even though they are having se as a woman, again, they are rather heartless. Yes, not everyone wants to fall in love or get married, but if so, don’t go doing the very thing that is supposed to be a private thing between two committed people.”
Why are they heartless for doing what is by most regarded an act of affection, whether in a commitment or not? Why should they not have sex just because they don’t want to get married? It’s their bodies after all.
“I am for them, of course. I’m not some intolerant cunt. I was simply showing the type of attitudes homophobes display. It is sometimes hard to convey vocal tones in writing, so I hoped the emote would show that. Sorry for the confusion.”
Uhhh, okay.
“True, true. Some just have more willpower than others do.”
Or simply less libido, and had less of a challenge than others.
“Yes, but that’s never going to happen. We can reduce it was much as possible, but as there will always exist someone to brainwash the next generation, who will then past it onto those after them, that will never be. “
Who’s brainwashing who?
“You were expressing your opinion and there is nothing wrong with that. If people want to choose to be offended at someone’s opinion on their choice, that is their problem, not yours. However, I do not think sex is ‘evil’. Virgins are better when so many girls are throwing that gift away at such a young age and outside lawful, complete commitment. If most girls were preserving themselves and being intelligent enough to know when it is good to do that, then it would not be so special.”
It was not a matter of expressing an opinion it was shoving my opinion down everybody’s throats, which isn’t a very nice thing to do. Nasty habit of mine, I need to break it. No-one cares if someone’s a virgin or not, just don’t go telling people what they should or shouldn’t do with their bodies. It’s wrong.
“However, even if I did not have a boyfriend, I would not care, as I don’t need to be in a relationship to be happy. Other people would just assume that it is because of my views and that would be their brainwashed opinion. He does not really care for sex. He loves me because I am strong, self-respecting, booze and drug free woman. Of course, we have a lot in common as well. Some of our opposites even compliment (hence why opposites attract sometimes). Yes, like most couples, we do argue every now and then or get annoyed at sometimes (he gets annoyed at my paranoia at other people’s opinions and I hate how messy he is, for example), but we know we will always get along."
I don’t think people would assume that simply because of your “unique” views. A lot of people feel they don’t need to be in a relationship to be happy. Not everyone out there is some brainwashed force
“Well, just like with other intolerances, it will always happen.”
People should try to try and stop it though I guess
Indeed, but some people just oversensitive or lack a spine.
You can love without marriage. The marriage would even happen if there was no love, obviously. I’ not ‘waiting’ for marriage. That implies I’m going to jump my spouse the moment the reception is over. Even in marriage, I would not want to do that. Even a marriage can work without sex. If people don’t believe in marriage, that is their belief. It’s my opinion. People are so loose nowadays. Ok, I know not everyone, even when in a relationship, fuck like rabbits, but sex used to be such a private thing. Even in times before a brothel was seen as more respectable (for both parties).
She still has rights to her body, but must understand that she shared it with another person. I just explained why. I explained that too. The physical, biological, emotional/mental differences along with the differing results or connotations. It is not ‘abuse’. It is opinion. If she’s does not like me, maybe she should not have been so loose.
As I said, I and other virgins are better as so many girls are going around losing it so young and then (unsurprizingly) that relationship ends at some point, be it after a short or long period, or just losing it in casual sex. If most women (or men) were a little more in control or respectful of themselves, it would be nothing special as, well, it would be a common thing. That is not the case and it never has been.
‘Put up with rape’? While I do not think, it is the worst thing to happen as I said, (things such as murder, genocide, child/animal cruelty and torture are worse to me). They are, as again, it was perfectly ok for that boyfriend or one night stand to be with her, but this man, oh no, she’s much too pure and ‘could do better’ even though it would not change her in the slightest (unless she got an STD, but she made the choice) if that man was inside her as well.
I know our lives, our livelihood, our loved ones, all those good things. I wouldn't not ‘put up such a fuss’ if they did not shove their non-virginity in everyone’s faces while claiming how ‘liberated’ and demanding that no one have an opinion on her reckless actions or they are The Big Three of insults (‘sexist’, ‘misogynist’, ‘oppressive), and then they turn around and shame men for looking at them sexually, or wanting an opinion on the life of their child. No, as I said. Just like a woman, a woman, if so ‘liberated’ and ‘strong’, should protect her life, her job, her loved ones. I’m sure there are others, but they are the ones that popped into my mind. As I said, their attitudes affect and all proper feminists, by giving us a bad name. Not to mention they make people think if you are a feminist, you are out there shagging anyone you fancy. It also affects me and other feminists who actually care about men, because of the above mentioned sexism.
Ok, sarcastic or not I did laugh at that a little. A little off topic, but I’ve never understood the ‘virgin sacrifice’ thing. Why would a demon want someone who would be scared and not do any— oh, wait, that is what they want.
Because I would be one of them, and as I said, if I acted like I was a special case or different from anyone else, then as I said, that would be incredibility arrogant and egotistical.
One of the reasons, but also I, because I am glad I am not part of that common crowd. Yes, that sounds egotistical and arrogant, but I refer you to my reasoning above (sorry for the repeat, but you asked the question – I don’t mean that rudely). I’m pretty sure that, when I go to hell, rape is going to be my first punishment. Plus, I have no interest in having sex. Ever.
Very well, but there would still be a reason, and all that supposedly loving sex would be for naught.
How is it ‘affectionate’ when it is outside a relationship and purely about carnal desires? As I said, sex can be romantic in a relationship.
Challenge?
Intolerant adults, who were most likely got their racism, or sexism, or homophobia, or fundamentalism from another adult who insisted that in them as a child or teenager, or even as an adult, and will pass it on to the following generation.
I’m not doing that though. It’s not as if I am starting it on something unrelated. IF someone expresses their opinion in a public place or on the internet, especially when it full of double standards, sexism (against both genders) hypocrisy, or selfishness, some people will express a negative opinion. I can’t help if so many women are so insecure and don’t want to take responsibility and be treated the same as men in a world of supposed equality.
Some people do, as I told other people. I’ve seen it myself. And they have good (non-religious, non-sexist, but self-respecting reason). Again, I’m doing that either, I’m just saying they think, and while others are of course allowed an opinon on it, it is somewhat meaningless when they rely on assumptions of ‘I was raped/molested/dumped’ a ‘religious nut’, ‘insane’, ‘repressed’ and what have you.
Again, I said that, but that doesn’t mean it is ok for them to go around throwing themselves at anyone. That is disgusting.
We can only try.
“Indeed, but some people just oversensitive or lack a spine.”
Some people are. But it all depends on different people. Even you yourself would have your limits.
“You can love without marriage. The marriage would even happen if there was no love, obviously. I’ not ‘waiting’ for marriage. That implies I’m going to jump my spouse the moment the reception is over. Even in marriage, I would not want to do that. Even a marriage can work without sex. If people don’t believe in marriage, that is their belief. It’s my opinion. People are so loose nowadays. Ok, I know not everyone, even when in a relationship, fuck like rabbits, but sex used to be such a private thing. Even in times before a brothel was seen as more respectable (for both parties).”
Yes people are. And why not? There is becoming less and less reason for restraint aside from either STD’s and/ or pregnancy (solved via contraceptives etc) or religious reasons (not your issue but usually others). It feels good so why not?
“She still has rights to her body, but must understand that she shared it with another person. I just explained why. I explained that too. The physical, biological, emotional/mental differences along with the differing results or connotations. It is not ‘abuse’. It is opinion. If she’s does not like me, maybe she should not have been so loose.”
So she’s different so she should be treated different? And you see nothing at all wrong with that mindset? It is a lot like how racist or sexist or homophobic people think, after all.
You explained how you felt about sex and how you would feel vulnerable and exposed. Maybe some girls feel that way, but it isn’t universal, and it’s NOT a good reason for women to be treated different.
Like, what if your mindset was reversed? Eg. Never mind that guys take a risk when having sex. Ever heard of coitus captivus? Ever noticed how protective men are when it comes to their balls? It’s a lot safer to have your organs on the inside rather than the outside (which is why your brain is inside a skull). I guess they are more vulnerable when it comes to sex. Maybe I should start believing I can go around having sex and THEY should stay pure and proper. Maybe MEN can’t be the ones who can claim cheating while it’s okay for woman to screw whoever they want. Maybe it’s the men who are worse off for allowing a woman access to their bodies. Think the above is a load of nonsense? So do I, because it shouldn’t matter who’s vulnerable or exposed or who’s penetrated or not or whatever, any more than it shouldn’t matter whether a person is black or white. Men and woman should be treated equally.
Like, you’re a female, do you wanted to be treated different? Wouldn’t you prefer it if you were allowed to do the same things guys can do?
“As I said, I and other virgins are better as so many girls are going around losing it so young and then (unsurprizingly) that relationship ends at some point, be it after a short or long period, or just losing it in casual sex. If most women (or men) were a little more in control or respectful of themselves, it would be nothing special as, well, it would be a common thing. That is not the case and it never has been.”
You think you’re better than others, don’t you think this is a bit pompous?
“‘Put up with rape’? While I do not think, it is the worst thing to happen as I said, (things such as murder, genocide, child/animal cruelty and torture are worse to me). They are, as again, it was perfectly ok for that boyfriend or one night stand to be with her, but this man, oh no, she’s much too pure and ‘could do better’ even though it would not change her in the slightest (unless she got an STD, but she made the choice) if that man was inside her as well.”
You seriously don’t get why a girl would say no to one guy after she yes to another, even though others have tried to explain to you why? Then again, I suppose it’s like explaining the sense of taste to someone who was born without a tongue. Who can only consider why someone would refuse to eat something is because of how they would look.
“I know our lives, our livelihood, our loved ones, all those good things. I wouldn't not ‘put up such a fuss’ if they did not shove their non-virginity in everyone’s faces while claiming how ‘liberated’ and demanding that no one have an opinion on her reckless actions or they are The Big Three of insults (‘sexist’, ‘misogynist’, ‘oppressive), and then they turn around and shame men for looking at them sexually, or wanting an opinion on the life of their child. No, as I said. Just like a woman, a woman, if so ‘liberated’ and ‘strong’, should protect her life, her job, her loved ones. I’m sure there are others, but they are the ones that popped into my mind. As I said, their attitudes affect and all proper feminists, by giving us a bad name. Not to mention they make people think if you are a feminist, you are out there shagging anyone you fancy. It also affects me and other feminists who actually care about men, because of the above mentioned sexism.”
Yet you’re going to other people’s discussions and waving your virginity in their faces. How are you any better?
“Ok, sarcastic or not I did laugh at that a little. A little off topic, but I’ve never understood the ‘virgin sacrifice’ thing. Why would a demon want someone who would be scared and not do any— oh, wait, that is what they want.”
Ha ha.
“Because I would be one of them, and as I said, if I acted like I was a special case or different from anyone else, then as I said, that would be incredibility arrogant and egotistical.”
Ah, you don’t want to be “one of them”, I see. Although I do not see why you don’t see anything wrong with that line of thinking.
“One of the reasons, but also I, because I am glad I am not part of that common crowd. Yes, that sounds egotistical and arrogant, but I refer you to my reasoning above (sorry for the repeat, but you asked the question – I don’t mean that rudely).”
But if you recognise it is arrogant, why still be like that? I can see why being a “sheep” appears bad but at the same time, “when in Rome, you do as the Romans do”, and considering this society, you’re more likely to get by by tolerating people whether or not they are virgin.
“I’m pretty sure that, when I go to hell, rape is going to be my first punishment.”
Naaah. Might want to watch out what you get reincarnated as though. If you believe in that.
“Plus, I have no interest in having sex. Ever.”
That’s what I used to say before I found out I was anaemic and had that cured.
EDIT aka it might for all you know be due to a medical condition
You know what they say; pride comes before a fall.
“Very well, but there would still be a reason, and all that supposedly loving sex would be for naught.”
Sometimes.
“How is it ‘affectionate’ when it is outside a relationship and purely about carnal desires? As I said, sex can be romantic in a relationship.”
It is unlikely for a person to have sex with someone without feeling some degree of attachment or attraction to said person. They’re not going to have sex with someone they consider unlikeable or would hate (sans rapists, but they’re horrible anyway and shouldn’t be considered normal). Even the one night standers are going to pick someone they consider attractive (which doesn’t necessarily mean in a physical sense).
“Challenge?”
Yeah, challenge. Like, ages ago, I used to wonder why teenage girls would go and get pregnant etc and why they needed contraceptives. Why couldn’t they just keep their legs closed, like me? I used to think I must be a stronger person than them. Then I found out I was anaemic, and thus had a lower libido than them. What these girls had gone through was stronger than what I ever felt, and I had no right to judge them, and would do no better than they would if I were in their position.
Now, if you were mentioning people with willpower as a reference to yourself, because you have said no to sex so far, I would disagree; you are asexual, and haven’t felt desire. As you said, you have no interest in having sex, so what is your willpower resisting against? It’s like a person waving around a feather and saying “I am strong, I have lifted this little feather” when a better way to prove you a strong would be to lift a heavy weight dumb-bell. Likewise, people with little to no libido are no stronger or have more willpower than the next person. Want to prove you are strong? Be heterosexual (or homosexual/ bisexual or whatever), take a bunch of aphrodisiacs, watch a tonne of porn or whatever gets you interested, all the while not doing anything with yourself or anyone else.
“Intolerant adults, who were most likely got their racism, or sexism, or homophobia, or fundamentalism from another adult who insisted that in them as a child or teenager, or even as an adult, and will pass it on to the following generation.”
You are referring to hate, or bigotry. Come to think of it, how do those kinds of people think? “These people are different and should be treated differently” “I don’t want to be one of them” “I am better than them”…. Sound familiar?
“I’m not doing that though. It’s not as if I am starting it on something unrelated. IF someone expresses their opinion in a public place or on the internet, especially when it full of double standards, sexism (against both genders) hypocrisy, or selfishness, some people will express a negative opinion. I can’t help if so many women are so insecure and don’t want to take responsibility and be treated the same as men in a world of supposed equality.”
Doing it in a public place doesn’t make it less of a nuisance.
“Some people do, as I told other people. I’ve seen it myself. And they have good (non-religious, non-sexist, but self-respecting reason). Again, I’m doing that either, I’m just saying they think, and while others are of course allowed an opinon on it, it is somewhat meaningless when they rely on assumptions of ‘I was raped/molested/dumped’ a ‘religious nut’, ‘insane’, ‘repressed’ and what have you.”
Like I said before, no-one knows why you’re so uptight about “non-virgins” to the extent you are, so they were likely speculating as to why. Although come to think of it, if it was due to those reasons, you would have at least garnered some amount of sympathy.
“Again, I said that, but that doesn’t mean it is ok for them to go around throwing themselves at anyone. That is disgusting.”
What is disgusting, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
Of course I do.
It’s just the selfishness that comes with it, as I’ve said.
Your race, orientation, and gender are not a choice. And homosexual intercourse would never result in a selfish choice made by one partner. However, a homosexual boosting about their sex life and proclaiming how ‘liberated’ they are would be just as annoying as a straight person.
I’m not saying all do, but the point is, women tend to need more trust, more of a feeling that they are safe and secure. Ok, yes, there exists plenty of women who are so weak that they can’t wait to jump someone’s bones, but you understand what I mean, yes?
No, they are valuable when it comes to damage down there (as in, someone attacking there). Biologically it doesn’t make much sense for them to be so exposed. Why did some animal species evolve to have the testis on the outside?
And actually, that used to be the case. Men (in ancient times, mind) used to be seen as insulting their virility for sleeping around, and that women were too lustful to refuse sex.
Of course, but sex is not the same for both genders. Both physically and emotionally.
If something is rare, it tends to be valued. I’m not saying I’m special little angel, but neither am I common. I am uncommon. Simple.
That’s true I guess. I just won’t understand that as I don’t have sex. And again, sex is unlike any other activity. Well, I suppose eating could count.
I can’t help if it’s all over the bloody place. If they will express their opinions, so shall others.
…I’m stupid for saying that?
I’m just me – a weirdo.
I said it sounds arrogant, but then I tried to show reasons why it is not. Several times.
I do. I understand that I am entitled to my views as much as they without being insulted for it. I feel bad about jumping to insults so easily.
Well, if so, I couldn’t care less. Plus again, that would make I would have to start calling myself those names.
Ah, I said that too. You explained it better. Ok, what we said is fairly obvious, but you still explained it far better than me.
Well, I have appointments and bloods tests on a regular basis. They haven’t found anything yet, not that I discuss such things with a doctor.
Ok, but those people who so easily give into lust do not have willpower. I can understand it that I am weak in willpower in other ways. A craving for a certain food, for example. Sometimes I can resist it as I tell myself reasons, sometimes I don’t, and I take what comes with it (unsettled stomach, can’t sleep even less because of the sugar, etc), but I know that is my fault.
Again, your gender, orientation, race and whatnot are not chosen by the person.
It’s a free place.
Well, I don’t want ‘sympathy’. Nor would I want to add to that stereotype if it was the case. I’m not some fragile little flower much as I have my paranoia. I’m strong in other areas.
Yes, yes, that’s true, but there a faction for everything.
“Of course I do.”
So why knock others?
“It’s just the selfishness that comes with it, as I’ve said.”
If people where to care what is selfish and what is not to such a large extent nobody would have any fun
“Your race, orientation, and gender are not a choice. And homosexual intercourse would never result in a selfish choice made by one partner.”
Nor would a woman who uses contraceptives/ is infertile/ uses her left hand etc.
“However, a homosexual boosting about their sex life and proclaiming how ‘liberated’ they are would be just as annoying as a straight person.”
And a virgin claiming how liberated they are isn’t annoying? Yeah, there’s a bunch of SJW on tumblr no-one likes. They get their knocks though, however AFAIK, they don’t go around saying virgins who get rape is simply karma
“I’m not saying all do, but the point is, women tend to need more trust, more of a feeling that they are safe and secure. Ok, yes, there exists plenty of women who are so weak that they can’t wait to jump someone’s bones, but you understand what I mean, yes?”
I understand the differences you are pointing out. I do not see why it’s a reason to treat someone different. Wanting to be safe and secure is one thing, but using it as a basis for not getting things males get or how women who aren’t insecure about it can’t complain about rape is another.
“No, they are valuable when it comes to damage down there (as in, someone attacking there). Biologically it doesn’t make much sense for them to be so exposed. Why did some animal species evolve to have the testis on the outside?”
Actually I think it has to do with how the sperm developed in the testes need to be kept at a temperature less than what a mammalian body is kept at. If it was kept inside the sperm would die, so it’s kept outside to cool the sperm down. Googling it….
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“And actually, that used to be the case. Men (in ancient times, mind) used to be seen as insulting their virility for sleeping around, and that women were too lustful to refuse sex.”
Maybe, but either way, wouldn’t that be sexist? I wouldn’t want men to not get something women get, and vice versa.
“Of course, but sex is not the same for both genders. Both physically and emotionally.”
Yeah, but you don’t want to be treated differently based on those differences, do you, I take it? So why treat others different? Do to others what you want done to you.
Like, you can argue sexes are different with sex. So are different individuals. You may feel even more vulnerable than most women. Maybe you alone should not be allowed to cheat while whatever BF/ husband/ GF whatever you get can be with whoever they want. You wouldn’t like that, would you?
“If something is rare, it tends to be valued. I’m not saying I’m special little angel, but neither am I common. I am uncommon. Simple.”
This is true, to an extent. It is my belief that things are valued based on what use you can get out of them. Take gold for example; it is useful because you can get money from it to buy things you want/ need. If you’re stuck in a desert though, a lump of gold is pretty much useless because it’s not going to turn itself magically into water or food which you really will need. If you want to be a virgin to be different it’s nice and I guess maybe you’ll value yourself. Maybe you feel you’ll be seen better in the eyes of a GF/ BF. I don’t know. Virginity however isn’t going to get you a job or money (unless you’re one of those people who sell their virginities, but considering what you’ve said so far I doubt it). It isn’t even something people are going to take notice of at first glance so it’s not like anyone else will care.
“That’s true I guess. I just won’t understand that as I don’t have sex. And again, sex is unlike any other activity. Well, I suppose eating could count.”
I just wish you could knock out the victim-blaming.
“I can’t help if it’s all over the bloody place. If they will express their opinions, so shall others.”
Like I said, they’re not saying people who get raped can’t complain etc. And considering how violent rape is, right to express your opinion can only get you so far.
“…I’m stupid for saying that?”
You need to laugh at things sometimes.
“I’m just me – a weirdo.”
Being a weirdo isn’t the problem. The “us and them” mentality is usually what leads to bigotry.
“I said it sounds arrogant, but then I tried to show reasons why it is not. Several times.”
Does that really outweigh the negative?
“I do. I understand that I am entitled to my views as much as they without being insulted for it. I feel bad about jumping to insults so easily.”
We all need to learn that at some point, as we all start off like that. I do that sometimes but I’ve hoped I have grown out of it.
“Well, if so, I couldn’t care less. Plus again, that would make I would have to start calling myself those names.”
How about not calling anyone names, either others or yourself?
You at least are consistent with your “dislike” whether it involves yourself or not.
“Ah, I said that too. You explained it better. Ok, what we said is fairly obvious, but you still explained it far better than me.”
Uhhh, thanks?
“Well, I have appointments and bloods tests on a regular basis. They haven’t found anything yet, not that I discuss such things with a doctor.”
If you say so.
“Ok, but those people who so easily give into lust do not have willpower. I can understand it that I am weak in willpower in other ways. A craving for a certain food, for example. Sometimes I can resist it as I tell myself reasons, sometimes I don’t, and I take what comes with it (unsettled stomach, can’t sleep even less because of the sugar, etc), but I know that is my fault.”
Some might be weak, yes. Some others it can’t be helped. And when it’s the latter, if nothing ill comes of it, why should it be a fault? Like when you eat that food, why feel guilty? You wanted the pleasure brought to you by that ice-cream, no-one else cares you ate it, it satisfied you, so why feel bad? It’s not a case of you being “weak” it was a case of that ice-cream being very tasty. So long as it doesn’t go so far as to cause anyone ill, which is more important than satisfying yourself.
“Again, your gender, orientation, race and whatnot are not chosen by the person.”
Food for thought; does it matter whether a person was able to choose something or not, so long as they aren’t harming anyone with it? What if the homophobes where right, homosexuality is a choice? Would homosexuality still really be wrong if it involves two consenting adults? Would it still be right for the others to continue their hate?
“It’s a free place.”
They were also free to smash my face in, which they did.
“Well, I don’t want ‘sympathy’. Nor would I want to add to that stereotype if it was the case. I’m not some fragile little flower much as I have my paranoia. I’m strong in other areas.”
If that is what you want.
“Yes, yes, that’s true, but there a faction for everything.”
I suppose.
As it’s not in the kind of way that most people do, and mine do not involve the same connotations.
Yes, that’s why there are different levels.
Well, thank you. Again, it is not ‘getting the same’ as males and females are not biologically the same. Other areas can be overcome as the reasons for the woman being disallowed from certain jobs or leadership roles were the different values and attitudes of the time, however, the divide in sexuality is based on our very, unchangeable biology. There is no innate biology (woman can be just as strong as men, either naturally or through training/building muscles) to say that woman cannot be builders, firefighters, frontline soldiers (I may hate the military, but I support that), CEOs, nor is there any to say men cannot be ballet dancers, fashion designers, househusbands, nannies and nurses. There is no way to get over the penetrator-penetrated/giver-receiver relationship in heterosexual intercourse unless you are gay.
As I said, virgins around my age are rare, not common. Again, homosexual intercourse does not come with the selfish ‘choice’ to kill the natural result while claiming it is your ‘reproductive right’, when the choice was to have sex. See my reasoning above. I’m sorry but that is something I cannot change.
A woman claiming this man’s penis is fine to be inside her, but this man, “Oh no, I’m much too pure, and ‘strong’ and ‘too good for him’” is a< hypocrite. It’s not like she already had sex or anything. It’s not like she is a sexual being or anything. It’s not like she has already been penetrated or anything.
The same goes for women who are fine with vaginal sex but anything else is disgusting. Most ridiculous is when she refuses to give a blowjob or handjob. Just…really?!
You can undo the evidence of having eaten cake, and just like most activities you are unaffected (unless you partake in it too much) afterward. When one is a non-virgin, they are so forever. Even getting one of those ridiculous ‘hymen repair surgeries’ (we both know that the hymen does not equal virginity – for me, it is partaking in any sexual activity whatsoever), that won’t undone one’s state of being.
Using contraceptives is selfish when they deny the natural result that may still happen. If it happens and they accept and are a supporter of true equality, then they may go ahead and have sex for pleasure all they like. You’re not being a hypocrite (unless they start claiming to be ‘sexually liberated’ or ‘feminist’ for letting a man dominate you). If not, that is the most disgusting, selfish, hypocritical action anyone could support or do, considering we were all foetuses once and they obviously do not support equality for all, but only when it suits women, as only women matter in this world of today. If the mother could die or, god forbid, it was from rape, that is far more understandable and not hypocritical, (but still a little bit selfish, but only a little, as it natural as well, wanting to preserve our own lives).
Ah, how stupid of me. I thought it was something to do with temperature, but I thought I was remembering it wrong, if you get what I mean. One of those ‘duuuuuuh’ moments. Though there has been a few people (men mostly, of course, though some in non-serious manners in comedy shows) have wondered why they can’t withdraw that particular area in case of attack.
That was a silly, senseless view of the past. The view after that made sense
I don’t have sex. I would not cheat anyway if that were the case. Men cannot ‘cheat’ on a woman unless he is the one she give her virginity to or married. And I would never date a non-virgin female anyway.
People care because they care about the relationships and perhaps future children as well. Ok, being a non-virgin does not automatically mean a woman will cheat, but she will compare, and most likely poison their children’s minds with the idea that sleeping around is a good thing. Not to mention she is touching those children and kissing them with lips once around another’s man genitals. It is valuable as they are highly unlikely to have any STDs as well, and regardless of how they would be passed on, it’s still there. It is valuable as it an indication (but far from the only way) of one’s strength and self-respect. For most asexuals though, it just comes naturally.
However, those girls who sell their virginity are just…there must be something wrong with them. I’m not saying that because they want to throw their virginity away from money, but rather because it indicates one had someone wrong in the mental area.
It’s not ‘victim-blaming’ that is just bullshit ‘feminists’ make up to avoid taking responsibly for their actions as the equality-seeking people they claim to be. Abuse victims and men in such cases especially, suffer victim blaming. You can’t teach people not to commit a crime they’ve never done or will continue to do, unless you are very luckily for the latter.
It’s only violence when you actually have someone to lose. As a said, a married non-virgin (provided that was the man/woman she give herself to) would not be violated, but her attacker is violating her marriage too. And if the husband/wife dumbed her for it, that would be disgusting as well. I don’t care if others hate this view or call me insane for it. I cannot change it as, unfortunately, I cannot see it any other way.
I do, but I just get worried, as I said.
Because there are two different groups of people, within the same group, as there is such exists in everything.
Others chose to see the negative. I of all people understand that (being a cynical person, after all) but still disagree.
Same here.
When they stop trying to shove their whiney, hypocritical views down everyone’s throats. But that won’t happen.
I made a genuine compliment. Sorry if it sounded sarcastic.
I’m just going on what I’ve been told and what I see myself.
Yes, but again, there are different connotations and results, again. However, eating those kinds of foods all the time can be bad as well, as it can led to health problems. However, at least that is less likely to harm others.
Again, homosexuality/homosexual intercourse (of either males or females) is far less likely to end in selfishness or someone preaching about how ‘liberated’ and ‘strong’ they are and anyone who insults them is a sexist. Hating on that would still be disgusting, as it saying that not being ‘normal’ is bad.
Well of course that would be bad. That’s violence. That’s abuse. That’s disgusting.
“Sorry this took so long, and is so short. “
No worries
“As it’s not in the kind of way that most people do, and mine do not involve the same connotations.”
Still boils down to wanting to not be harassed, doesn’t it?
“Yes, that’s why there are different levels.”
Agreed, but unless it involves harming someone, why put it in such a low level. (putting aside abortion since like I said, a lot of the time pregnancy wouldn’t be involved)
“Well, thank you. Again, it is not ‘getting the same’ as males and females are not biologically the same. Other areas can be overcome as the reasons for the woman being disallowed from certain jobs or leadership roles were the different values and attitudes of the time, however, the divide in sexuality is based on our very, unchangeable biology. There is no innate biology (woman can be just as strong as men, either naturally or through training/building muscles) to say that woman cannot be builders, firefighters, frontline soldiers (I may hate the military, but I support that), CEOs, nor is there any to say men cannot be ballet dancers, fashion designers, househusbands, nannies and nurses. There is no way to get over the penetrator-penetrated/giver-receiver relationship in heterosexual intercourse unless you are gay.”
Or unless you don’t feel insecure or vulnerable about having something inside you, at least that’s what I’m trying to see your reasons for the whole “penetrated=submissive thing”.
“As I said, virgins around my age are rare, not common. “
The internet is in fact rife with virgins, actually.
“Again, homosexual intercourse does not come with the selfish ‘choice’ to kill the natural result while claiming it is your ‘reproductive right’, when the choice was to have sex. See my reasoning above. I’m sorry but that is something I cannot change.”
But then neither does using your left hand, people who are infertile, etc.
“A woman claiming this man’s penis is fine to be inside her, but this man, “Oh no, I’m much too pure, and ‘strong’ and ‘too good for him’” is a< hypocrite. It’s not like she already had sex or anything. It’s not like she is a sexual being or anything. It’s not like she has already been penetrated or anything.”
Ummm, that's NOT what a woman complains about when she gets raped. That’s not what she thinks. Maybe that’s what YOU’D think, but others, no. it’s more likely she’d think “Oh shit this is fucking painful” or “I really hate this gross creep who did this to me, I hope he rots in hell.” and feeling a lot of disgust.
“The same goes for women who are fine with vaginal sex but anything else is disgusting. Most ridiculous is when she refuses to give a blowjob or handjob. Just…really?!”
Different folks, different strokes. I personally don’t get that either though, so long as it’s with someone you consent to do it with, I don’t see anything wrong with those. But if they don’t consent, it is a disgusting horrible act.
“You can undo the evidence of having eaten cake, and just like most activities you are unaffected (unless you partake in it too much) afterward. When one is a non-virgin, they are so forever. Even getting one of those ridiculous ‘hymen repair surgeries’ (we both know that the hymen does not equal virginity – for me, it is partaking in any sexual activity whatsoever), that won’t undone one’s state of being.”
I take it you are referring to the cake analogy someone else pointed out. Okay I’ll go with that then if you want. If one is non-virgin, it may be different or it may not (depends on the person) but if you consent at least you or no-one else is harmed. Getting raped is a form of harm. You can get scars, your internal organs might get damaged, you don’t feel secure about your safety. You can get rid of the evidence of eating the cake, but if your mouth is scarred preventing you from eating ever again, or you feel scared to eat again, you can’t undo that. Granted the first time you have sex can’t be undone either, but it’s not as traumatic.
“Using contraceptives is selfish when they deny the natural result that may still happen.”
See, I don’t get this. It stops a woman from getting pregnant, so no abortion will end up happening. Wouldn’t that make a pro-lifer such as yourself more happy? No killing, even if it is something which is currently debated by others whether it’s even alive or not.
On that note, I am curious, what is your stance on spaying animals? Yeah maybe it’s a bit insensitive putting animals when talking about people but I have been curious about this for a while.
“If it happens and they accept and are a supporter of true equality, then they may go ahead and have sex for pleasure all they like. You’re not being a hypocrite (unless they start claiming to be ‘sexually liberated’ or ‘feminist’ for letting a man dominate you). If not, that is the most disgusting, selfish, hypocritical action anyone could support or do, considering we were all foetuses once and they obviously do not support equality for all, but only when it suits women, as only women matter in this world of today. If the mother could die or, god forbid, it was from rape, that is far more understandable and not hypocritical, (but still a little bit selfish, but only a little, as it natural as well, wanting to preserve our own lives).”
The most? What about when someone on the streets who kills someone for a couple of bucks? What about some creep who rapes some poor girl (or guy) just so he can feel good about himself or herself? These are the worst sort of things you can do to someone. You seem to be focused on the killing of a foetus because of your own life experience not because of that’s what other people once were, only that because you once were a foetus that lived. Not everyone values the same things you do.
“Ah, how stupid of me. I thought it was something to do with temperature, but I thought I was remembering it wrong, if you get what I mean. One of those ‘duuuuuuh’ moments. Though there has been a few people (men mostly, of course, though some in non-serious manners in comedy shows) have wondered why they can’t withdraw that particular area in case of attack.”
That’s what life is like in the mammalian world.
“That was a silly, senseless view of the past. The view after that made sense”
It was?
“I don’t have sex. I would not cheat anyway if that were the case. Men cannot ‘cheat’ on a woman unless he is the one she give her virginity to or married. And I would never date a non-virgin female anyway.”
Good luck with that.
“People care because they care about the relationships and perhaps future children as well. Ok, being a non-virgin does not automatically mean a woman will cheat, but she will compare, and most likely poison their children’s minds with the idea that sleeping around is a good thing. Not to mention she is touching those children and kissing them with lips once around another’s man genitals. It is valuable as they are highly unlikely to have any STDs as well, and regardless of how they would be passed on, it’s still there. It is valuable as it an indication (but far from the only way) of one’s strength and self-respect. For most asexuals though, it just comes naturally.”
You know, I’m going to go out on a limb here and point out that my Mother was a non-virgin when she married. Not that it’s anyone’s business mind you. My Dad never cared, I never cared, my sisters never cared. And none of us “sleep around”… In fact I used to be the same as you almost. And heck, I don’t know exactly what she does behind closed doors with my Dad, but I do have a hunch they do do stuff that doesn’t involve getting pregnant (because that’s what married people do, have sex outside getting pregnant) and I still don’t care and I’m not afraid to hug/ kiss/ be kissed by them because I love them no matter what. I mean, your own Mother did something to conceive you (and your siblings if you have any) should you start avoiding her? To top it off, you touch your own genitalia when you wipe, maybe you should be avoided like the plague.
“However, those girls who sell their virginity are just…there must be something wrong with them. I’m not saying that because they want to throw their virginity away from money, but rather because it indicates one had someone wrong in the mental area.”
It involves money, who am I to judge? It’s their body, that’s what some people do. Maybe they’re just desperate to have a roof over their heads. Maybe you wouldn’t be so quick to judge if you weren’t so well off yourself.
“It’s not ‘victim-blaming’ that is just bullshit ‘feminists’ make up to avoid taking responsibly for their actions as the equality-seeking people they claim to be. Abuse victims and men in such cases especially, suffer victim blaming. You can’t teach people not to commit a crime they’ve never done or will continue to do, unless you are very luckily for the latter.”
I’m not talking about the cases where there are some women who falsely accuse men of rape. I’m talking about those who are raped. And that included men who are raped too. And it’s not bullshit. How would you like it if you got raped and some guy went up and told you it’s your own fault because all women are whores who want it?
“It’s only violence when you actually have someone to lose. As a said, a married non-virgin (provided that was the man/woman she give herself to) would not be violated, but her attacker is violating her marriage too. And if the husband/wife dumbed her for it, that would be disgusting as well. I don’t care if others hate this view or call me insane for it. I cannot change it as, unfortunately, I cannot see it any other way.”
Cannot, or will not? And why not? Why are you so strong on that stance, especially when it is in fact an immoral stance you are taking? This isn’t a case of some lesbian saying she won’t change her sexuality or something. This is a case of someone not seeing the immoral implications of rape. Rape for pities sake. You are looking at rape and not seeing something wrong with it. Don’t you get how VILE it is? Don’t you get how EVIL you’re being? What’s more important, your virginity or your soul?
“I do, but I just get worried, as I said.”
Worried? About what? Men not getting the same as women or vice versa? People are trying to solve that, not just you. Worried about foetuses dying? The abortion debate still rages between people who are wiser than you or I, and you think you’re smarter than any of them and have something to say that they haven’t? Pffft. Worried about women complaining about getting raped? They have a right to, and your evil for saying otherwise.
“Because there are two different groups of people, within the same group, as there is such exists in everything.”
Equality means for everyone though. Isn’t it the right sort of thing to strive for, and the right thing to avoid; bigotry?
“Others chose to see the negative. I of all people understand that (being a cynical person, after all) but still disagree.”
When you have a weakness, you don’t ignore it and focus on the strong “look how strong my right arm is!”, you look at the weak and exercise it and make it as strong as the rest of you. Same with the negative in people. Don’t ignore your own and make your better points stand out, make everything clean inside of you.
“Same here.”
Understandable
“When they stop trying to shove their whiney, hypocritical views down everyone’s throats. But that won’t happen.”
There are some groups I don’t get along with but I don’t call them names, do I?
“I made a genuine compliment. Sorry if it sounded sarcastic.”
I didn’t mean to imply that you were being sarcastic
“I’m just going on what I’ve been told and what I see myself.’
It’s your body. I am not one to tell you what is happening in it. I am going by my own experiences, it may relate to yours, it might not.
“Yes, but again, there are different connotations and results, again. However, eating those kinds of foods all the time can be bad as well, as it can led to health problems. However, at least that is less likely to harm others.”
The end result is the same between eating something nice and sex; you feel pleasure. Although sex is more pleasurable. And if you’re harming no-one, why fight it?
“Again, homosexuality/homosexual intercourse (of either males or females) is far less likely to end in selfishness or someone preaching about how ‘liberated’ and ‘strong’ they are and anyone who insults them is a sexist. Hating on that would still be disgusting, as it saying that not being ‘normal’ is bad.”
No offense meant to anyone homosexual out there, but I kind of expect that they do feel a bit liberated after they are after all were oppressed in the past. Why would that be wrong, or wrong for anyone else to preach it?
And once again, how can someone who is jilling off/ infertile/ contraceptives going to end in selfishness?
“Well of course that would be bad. That’s violence. That’s abuse. That’s disgusting.”
Getting punched is nothing. They didn’t bash me to death or anything like that. I kind of consider it society spanking my ass for misbehaving.
Yes, but I would not be a hypocrite by calling it such.
Well, for me, when it is selfishness that can be easily avoided, then it is still an issue. We all can be selfish, it’s in our genes after all. Some just choose to do it more than others.
No, it’s just when they claim to be ‘feminist’ and ‘free’ when they are willing putting themselves into a submissive position, as natural as it is. Even if thet are dominant mentally (E.g. being the one to take charge in trouble situations or being authoritative), they still have that one area. However, unlike what most people think, that does not mean I judge women entirely on virginity, or think all non-virgins are horrible. For example, biological mothers are non-virgins, most married women are non-virgins, most lesbians are non-virgins.
Yes, but they(especially if male) are insulted and shamed for that, as I’m guessing this a quip about that.
Yes, that is true. If I did not say that before, that is true.
I know, I’m just showing the way she is basically acting, regardless of her thoughts. It is not ‘gross’ as she is already a sexual being, as I said.
So you’re saying you can violate a woman’s hand or mouth, even though she already have sex with that person/is comfortable with having another man’s sexual organ inside her, which is basically touching it? Pfft. Next you’ll say you believe that bullshit that a woman being ‘tricked’ into having sex was ‘raped’ (she fell for the lie, she choose to have that sex, she consented, and a man in particular cannot ‘use’ a woman, as she choose to let him in).
Well, then, as I said to her, metaphor or not, it is simply not the same. Eating a cake (or to put in more perspective, kissing someone) is not making an irreversible choice (not even that insane ‘hymen surgery’ counts, though I’m not suprized some people think the hymen still means virginity or not, it can be broken by something as simple as your period). I’m happy to kiss my mother (you’re never too old) and my boyfriend, but that does not mean I would be happy with some random person kissing me. I’ve even hugged strangers despite the germ-related part of my OCD (I know the real name, but I can’t remember it right now) and it was only in very specific circumstances – being at a con, and said people had those ‘free hugs’ signs. Besides, who doesn’t like a nice hug?
However, the suffering is of course real, and one should be helped to get past that, but it is still hypocritical to be like that.
Yes, that is true, but the thing is, they still want to go and get an abortion, even though they know that no matter what kind of contraception it is, no matter how many different types you use, there is always that chance, that small chance, that woman will become pregnant. That is where the selfishness, the barbarism comes in.
Well, while I feel it is cruel, I read up on the reasons why, and that neutering can extend a male dog’s life, so I can understand. It seems as if we are denying them their natural desire to breed, but if it makes their lives happier, it’s a good thing. And it might reduce them humping stuff too. And if I was against it, that would be hypocritical, as I’m for human circumcision, as I respect it as part of another’s religion and because it has health benefits. However, I do feel that is anti-feminist/sexist, as I’m basically saying it’s ok to…I’m not sure if ‘mutilate’ is the right word…the body of another, as no one, unless they were sick, is for female circumcision. Then again, it comes down to the different sexual organs, I suppose.
Hm? Those are disgusting of course, but needless/selfish version of abortion are just that bit worse as that life is being taking after before they even experience the outside world and is an option. In addition, while it is still not an excuse, and should be treated as badly, but someone people have an ‘urge’, something in there that demand they kill, or someone who cannot control themselves.
If you are referring to my birth, yes, it does have an effect, as it means that I am one of those people whose mother was told (or thought herself) that I would live a miserable life and I proved them wrong. A secondary school friend weighed two ounces less than me, and has far poorer eyesight (but that is all she had in regards to medical conditions), and she is now in college. Sure, I’m not completely independent, as I said, but I know I’ll have to be one day. I’m still happy with my life at the moment. I’m still trying to contribute to society. However, my main reason is because we were once that life, and that everyone is entitled to a life unless they have committed some irredeemable crime (for me, it is murder, rape, child or animal abuse), and no one has the right to dictate who lives and who dies. Such a thing makes existence itself something punishable.
True, true. And there are some monks who can take a kick in the balls (or several) and are not even fazed: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js_3bI… either they have an incredible amount of strength to hide their pain, or their training has affected their bodies to withstand such a thing.
Again, because of the biology.
Yes, I know, I’ll end up dying alone if ever I wanted to seek out a new partner if my current relationship goes down the plughole. I just need to hope that never happens. I know people say this a lot, but he’s the best I could have, and I would not want to be with anyone else.
As I said, some people just don’t care, and that is a noble thing. Some men nowadays care about virginity (and there is nothing ‘misogynistic’ or ‘oppressive’ about that, to comment on the typically help opinion), but others (and women, of course) who do not care are not any lesser. I just hope they comfortable kissing lips that may have been around another man’s cock, or going where other men have gone before, and that she will most likely compare him to previous partners.
As for having sex outside of getting pregnant, I mentioned that several times. The only bad thing about that is when people break up over lack of sex, calling a relationship that once had sex in it ‘sexless’ and ‘miserable’. Regardless of the reasons, it’s still a pretty shallow parting reason.
Yes, and she wanted kids, she had sex for that, and she was happy that I thought the same (again, she let me have my own views). Like most children I take after her in ways I did not even realize, as in, you have similar habits or personality traits. Also, not to mention, that was twenty years ago (my brother is a year younger).
Oh, I know my hands are clean. That’s when OCD is a good thing. Just because it’s my genitals does not make what comes out of there any less disgusting, no matter how normal it is.
It’s basically prostitution. You would never see a man doing that. Most men don’t resort to seeing their bodies when they are desperate.
Well off? I’m on benefits, and there are only two people in this house, and we don’t exactly use a lot of electricity (it’s my brother who have to five things on at once). Just because I’m disabled, or in the working class, does not mean I cannot have fun, or a life. It’s those kinds of reasons why the government have cut benefits and forced so many disabled people into jobs they can’t do, implying that actual disability is being a joyless, home-bound shell. But that’s another story.
Sure I’m not poor, but I’m not well off either. In regards to money we’re…average. And I give money to those who are actually poor, and wish I could help out in person. I’m hoping to find a project here I can help with. I applied for several overseas over two or so years as I was preparing to leave school, but I was refused on account of my disabilities (and age, because, you know, you have to be a certain age to want to help people), and the ones here are not much better.
And if the situation ever got that dire, I’d rather work in the sewers than become a prostitute, and you can imagine such thing that could affect me in the hygiene obsessive department. Or I would rather die than give my body away.
But I’m not a non-virgin, and I would have put myself in a position to be taken advantage of. Yes, it is entirely the attacker’s fault for the crime, but it is still our duty to keep ourselves aware, and not inhibit our senses and minds. One chooses to get drunk. One chooses to walk the night streets alone. One chooses to wear clothing (much as it is their choice) meant to display the body sexuality and in a public place. It is called responsibly and self-awareness. Indeed you can do all this and still end up victimized, but it far reduces your chances (after all, most rapes do happen by someone the person knows…you need to be careful with who you befriend too, such as I do). Who do you think someone is going to more likely to attack? – the sober person who is accompanied by someone else, or the drunk idiot stumbling around?
No, I am not seeing ‘rape’ at all. I know what rape is. In fact, rape used to be defined as the violation of a chaste woman. It’s good that, at least in most countries, it is gender neutral (though in the UK, the law basically stated that women could not rape until 2012), but now there is this extra crap to account for the looser morals action of modern people).
I have a soul. I’ve shown plenty of times the things I care about, the things I fight for, that I care for moral and political issues. I am not some heartless beast because of this one opinon people have a problem with. I’m not a racist, a homophobe, a fascist, anti-Semitic, anti-atheist, and so on. I support what and accept what most mornder, good people support.
Yes, but it is not ‘bigotry’ to state that there is a biological difference between men and women.
But you can’t get over all weaknesses, no matter how hard you try. Everyone has flaws. I know there are some flaws I can never get rid of, so I focus on what I do well, what I feel is and have been told is good about me. It’s better than me being miserable or angsting about how ‘useless’, or ‘worthless’ I am.
They call those people names. It’s only fair, if immature, to return the behaviour. If you were being bullied, would you say it is stupid if someone says that you fighting back, doing the same thing, is bad? I’m not some little wimp or doormat. I give back what people send out.
Oh, good.
Fair enough, it’s what I do as well, I would think.
Again, it’s the attitudes as I’ve said. People are free to whatever they want in their lives, but something that is choice can and will be judged. I am judged for my hobbies.
No, no, that is a point. Yes, one would feel liberated, but surely you get annoyed at those who are all “I’m gay and proud, bitches!”. A better attitude would to just be happy that is no longer hated by most of the world, and don’t make a big deal out of it unless there was homophobia. I only say about myself being asexual/biromantic on topics related to sex. I would expect others to be annoyed if I waltzed around the streets proclaiming it to everyone I see.
I mentioned the contraceptives. It is when a woman who claims her ‘jilling off’ (heh, I see what you did there) claims they are still a virgin, or ‘liberated’ when it is a sexual activity.
It’s still unacceptable.
“Yes, but I would not be a hypocrite by calling it such.”
And you wouldn’t complain about it happening to you?
“Well, for me, when it is selfishness that can be easily avoided, then it is still an issue. We all can be selfish, it’s in our genes after all. Some just choose to do it more than others.”
While the latter is true the former has never been an issue with me. That might just be me though.
“No, it’s just when they claim to be ‘feminist’ and ‘free’ when they are willing putting themselves into a submissive position, as natural as it is..”
What if they’re not even bothering with the feminist label?
“Even if thet are dominant mentally (E.g. being the one to take charge in trouble situations or being authoritative), they still have that one area. However, unlike what most people think, that does not mean I judge women entirely on virginity, or think all non-virgins are horrible. For example, biological mothers are non-virgins, most married women are non-virgins, most lesbians are non-virgins”
That does sound better in comparison to what you’ve said before
“Yes, but they(especially if male) are insulted and shamed for that, as I’m guessing this a quip about that.”
No, and neither men nor woman should be shamed for it. This doesn’t stop them complaining about it though despite the fact that most people know enough to not care (aka wizards). There are plenty though that don’t (seem to) give a damn if they’re a virgin though.
“Yes, that is true. If I did not say that before, that is true.”
Ah okay.
“I know, I’m just showing the way she is basically acting, regardless of her thoughts. It is not ‘gross’ as she is already a sexual being, as I said.”
Just because she became sexually active doesn’t negate her feeling of disgust when she gets raped. She would just be as disgusted as you would if some creep had his way with her.
Edit: So you see rape victims as little snots who are hypocrites for saying no? Should people see you the same way when you say no?
“So you’re saying you can violate a woman’s hand or mouth, even though she already have sex with that person/is comfortable with having another man’s sexual organ inside her, which is basically touching it? Pfft. “
Uh, actually yeah. In fact, it could be her own boyfriend/ husband who she had sex with before that who rapes her. And it’s STILL WRONG. Whether it’s vaginal or using some other body part, it’s STILL WRONG.
“Next you’ll say you believe that bullshit that a woman being ‘tricked’ into having sex was ‘raped’ (she fell for the lie, she choose to have that sex, she consented, and a man in particular cannot ‘use’ a woman, as she choose to let him in).”
It’s not bullshit. Coercion is coercion, whether by force or by deception. Same with men. Who said she chose? What if she was drugged? Coerced because if she didn’t he’d harm someone she loved, or something she valued, not necessarily her? What if she was mentally disabled and didn’t know any better? Don’t knock people claiming being tricked into it; it could happen to you if you’re not careful.
“Well, then, as I said to her, metaphor or not, it is simply not the same. Eating a cake (or to put in more perspective, kissing someone) is not making an irreversible choice (not even that insane ‘hymen surgery’ counts, though I’m not suprized some people think the hymen still means virginity or not, it can be broken by something as simple as your period). I’m happy to kiss my mother (you’re never too old) and my boyfriend, but that does not mean I would be happy with some random person kissing me. I’ve even hugged strangers despite the germ-related part of my OCD (I know the real name, but I can’t remember it right now) and it was only in very specific circumstances – being at a con, and said people had those ‘free hugs’ signs. Besides, who doesn’t like a nice hug?”
There shouldn’t be anything wrong with a hug, yeah.
But it’s not so much the reversibility that should be taken into account, but the harm it does. Rape is harmful, losing virginity under your own choice is not.
“However, the suffering is of course real, and one should be helped to get past that, but it is still hypocritical to be like that.”
It shouldn’t be.
“Yes, that is true, but the thing is, they still want to go and get an abortion, even though they know that no matter what kind of contraception it is, no matter how many different types you use, there is always that chance, that small chance, that woman will become pregnant. That is where the selfishness, the barbarism comes in.”
That’s rather harsh to judge someone on that small chance. They’re doing their best to stop the abortion happening (and also, just because someone is using contraceptives doesn’t necessarily mean they WILL get an abortion if it fails). If nothing happens, and no abortion occurs, why would it be wrong?
“Well, while I feel it is cruel, I read up on the reasons why, and that neutering can extend a male dog’s life, so I can understand. It seems as if we are denying them their natural desire to breed, but if it makes their lives happier, it’s a good thing. And it might reduce them humping stuff too. And if I was against it, that would be hypocritical, as I’m for human circumcision, as I respect it as part of another’s religion and because it has health benefits. However, I do feel that is anti-feminist/sexist, as I’m basically saying it’s ok to…I’m not sure if ‘mutilate’ is the right word…the body of another, as no one, unless they were sick, is for female circumcision. Then again, it comes down to the different sexual organs, I suppose.”
Yeah, mutilation is horrible. But the former helps the animals at least.
“Hm? Those are disgusting of course, but needless/selfish version of abortion are just that bit worse as that life is being taking after before they even experience the outside world and is an option. In addition, while it is still not an excuse, and should be treated as badly, but someone people have an ‘urge’, something in there that demand they kill, or someone who cannot control themselves.”
Those people need help though if they have the urge to kill someone, and need to be kept away from others at the very least.
“If you are referring to my birth, yes, it does have an effect, as it means that I am one of those people whose mother was told (or thought herself) that I would live a miserable life and I proved them wrong. A secondary school friend weighed two ounces less than me, and has far poorer eyesight (but that is all she had in regards to medical conditions), and she is now in college. Sure, I’m not completely independent, as I said, but I know I’ll have to be one day. I’m still happy with my life at the moment. I’m still trying to contribute to society. However, my main reason is because we were once that life, and that everyone is entitled to a life unless they have committed some irredeemable crime (for me, it is murder, rape, child or animal abuse), and no one has the right to dictate who lives and who dies. Such a thing makes existence itself something punishable.”
Yep, focused on your success story. Being a pro-lifer is irritating, but not wrong. When you can’t see someone getting raped because you’re busy being worried a non-existent baby might die, there’s the problem.
“True, true. And there are some monks who can take a kick in the balls (or several) and are not even fazed: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js_3bI…@ either they have an incredible amount of strength to hide their pain, or their training has affected their bodies to withstand such a thing.”
That’s interesting
“Again, because of the biology.”
Oh?
“Yes, I know, I’ll end up dying alone if ever I wanted to seek out a new partner if my current relationship goes down the plughole. I just need to hope that never happens. I know people say this a lot, but he’s the best I could have, and I would not want to be with anyone else.”
Okay
“As I said, some people just don’t care, and that is a noble thing. Some men nowadays care about virginity (and there is nothing ‘misogynistic’ or ‘oppressive’ about that, to comment on the typically help opinion), but others (and women, of course) who do not care are not any lesser. I just hope they comfortable kissing lips that may have been around another man’s cock, or going where other men have gone before, and that she will most likely compare him to previous partners.”
And what if the partner doesn’t care at all?
“As for having sex outside of getting pregnant, I mentioned that several times. The only bad thing about that is when people break up over lack of sex, calling a relationship that once had sex in it ‘sexless’ and ‘miserable’. Regardless of the reasons, it’s still a pretty shallow parting reason.”
The sex lives of people are strange and complex. We’re both virgins, I for one can’t judge.
“Yes, and she wanted kids, she had sex for that, and she was happy that I thought the same (again, she let me have my own views). Like most children I take after her in ways I did not even realize, as in, you have similar habits or personality traits. Also, not to mention, that was twenty years ago (my brother is a year younger).”
Doesn’t mean she didn’t touch cock, no matter what the reason behind doing it was.
“Oh, I know my hands are clean. That’s when OCD is a good thing. Just because it’s my genitals does not make what comes out of there any less disgusting, no matter how normal it is.”
So why knock it when someone touches someone else’s genitals?
“It’s basically prostitution. You would never see a man doing that. Most men don’t resort to seeing their bodies when they are desperate. “
You’ve never heard of a male prostitute? They exist. (Okay I haven’t exactly met one, but I see them on TV).
“Well off? I’m on benefits, and there are only two people in this house, and we don’t exactly use a lot of electricity (it’s my brother who have to five things on at once). Just because I’m disabled, or in the working class, does not mean I cannot have fun, or a life. It’s those kinds of reasons why the government have cut benefits and forced so many disabled people into jobs they can’t do, implying that actual disability is being a joyless, home-bound shell. But that’s another story. Sure I’m not poor, but I’m not well off either. In regards to money we’re…average. And I give money to those who are actually poor, and wish I could help out in person. I’m hoping to find a project here I can help with. I applied for several overseas over two or so years as I was preparing to leave school, but I was refused on account of my disabilities (and age, because, you know, you have to be a certain age to want to help people), and the ones here are not much better.”
No, you’re not living in a mansion, I know that, but considering you have a roof over your head and food on your table, compared to others you’re loaded. Some people would do anything to get those things (or perhaps they’re just money hungry, who knows?)
“And if the situation ever got that dire, I’d rather work in the sewers than become a prostitute, and you can imagine such thing that could affect me in the hygiene obsessive department. Or I would rather die than give my body away.”
Not everyone is as proud as you.
Edit the second: Why do see "giving your body away" as so horrible that you'd rather die (putting aside things like prostitution in dire times)? I've seen you mention it elsewhere that you would rather die than have sex. The only reason so far you gave is that it might lead to a pregnancy, and if that doesn't happen, why is it so bad? Oh yeah, or you might be someone you'd feel the need to insult. Is being one of the "bad girls" such a traumatising experience for you? Why? People aren't so bad on the other side, and you wouldn't be a bad person if you went ahead and had sex.
“But I’m not a non-virgin, and I would have put myself in a position to be taken advantage of. Yes, it is entirely the attacker’s fault for the crime, but it is still our duty to keep ourselves aware, and not inhibit our senses and minds. One chooses to get drunk. One chooses to walk the night streets alone. One chooses to wear clothing (much as it is their choice) meant to display the body sexuality and in a public place. It is called responsibly and self-awareness. Indeed you can do all this and still end up victimized, but it far reduces your chances (after all, most rapes do happen by someone the person knows…you need to be careful with who you befriend too, such as I do). Who do you think someone is going to more likely to attack? – the sober person who is accompanied by someone else, or the drunk idiot stumbling around?”
I had no idea going home after working night-shift was an invitation to rape. And if dressing lightly is as well, you should go out and tell all the men who go around shirtless. Guess those guys are asking for it, huh? Maybe you too, after all what is seen as sexual or not is all in perspective. You’re not stuck at home, wearing a hijab, to Islamic extremists, that makes you a whore. Maybe you should start wearing a hijab to reduce your chances of getting raped, otherwise YOU’RE CHOOSING to get raped (and they are, at least here, the ones who do the raping most usually; Islamic extremists). If you want responsibility and self-awareness go out and join those extremist then and wear a hijab. Until then, you’re just as irresponsible, hypocritical, and asking for it as much as the rest of us.
“No, I am not seeing ‘rape’ at all. I know what rape is.”
An oxymoron then. If you don’t see that someone, whether they are virgin or not, is getting sexually abused as rape, then no, you don’t know what rape is.
“ In fact, rape used to be defined as the violation of a chaste woman. It’s good that, at least in most countries, it is gender neutral (though in the UK, the law basically stated that women could not rape until 2012), but now there is this extra crap to account for the looser morals action of modern people).”
It should be gender neutral. But the latter is not crap. Rape is rape. No means no.
“I have a soul. I’ve shown plenty of times the things I care about, the things I fight for, that I care for moral and political issues. I am not some heartless beast because of this one opinon people have a problem with. I’m a racist, a homophobe, a fascist, anti-Semitic, anti-atheist, and so on.”
You’re risking it though. Like you said, you don’t see a non-virgin woman getting sexually abused as rape. This is wrong.
“Yes, but it is not ‘bigotry’ to state that there is a biological difference between men and women.”
Biological difference is one thing. I could point out black people are biologically different (they do have more melamine for example) but to say black people can’t be raped based on this or anything else would be bigoted. What you are doing is bigotry.
“But you can’t get over all weaknesses, no matter how hard you try. Everyone has flaws. I know there are some flaws I can never get rid of, so I focus on what I do well, what I feel is and have been told is good about me. It’s better than me being miserable or angsting about how ‘useless’, or ‘worthless’ I am.”
This is true, but the right thing to do is try to improve yourself as best as you can. I’m not asking you to magically become someone who isn’t almost blind. I’m asking you to consider your mental perspective of things. This is not an impossible thing to do.
“They call those people names. It’s only fair, if immature, to return the behaviour. If you were being bullied, would you say it is stupid if someone says that you fighting back, doing the same thing, is bad? I’m not some little wimp or doormat. I give back what people send out.”
If that is what you want. It is sinking to their level though.
“Fair enough, it’s what I do as well, I would think.”
I try to do the right thing.
“Again, it’s the attitudes as I’ve said. People are free to whatever they want in their lives, but something that is choice can and will be judged. I am judged for my hobbies.”
Those people are idiots though. I don’t like FMA or whatever you’re into, but I’m not going to go on about that.
“No, no, that is a point. Yes, one would feel liberated, but surely you get annoyed at those who are all “I’m gay and proud, bitches!”. A better attitude would to just be happy that is no longer hated by most of the world, and don’t make a big deal out of it unless there was homophobia. I only say about myself being asexual/biromantic on topics related to sex. I would expect others to be annoyed if I waltzed around the streets proclaiming it to everyone I see.”
Umm, you kind of did that on a lot of places online already.
“I mentioned the contraceptives. It is when a woman who claims her ‘jilling off’ (heh, I see what you did there) claims they are still a virgin, or ‘liberated’ when it is a sexual activity.”
Technically it they're still a virgin, considering the current definition of a virgin.
“It’s still unacceptable.”
A small hit is nothing, yet you are upset about this while shrugging of a woman getting raped. You are a strange one.
Indeed. Everyone is free to think what will, but that does not stop some attitudes from having selfish/hypocritical connotations.
Then fair enough. They are not pretending to be what they are not. It’s not suprizing many do not identify as such, given the blatant misandry, double standards and the ‘any negative attitude towards women is sexist and misogynist, and everyone bad that happens to them is someone else’s fault’ that exists within it, and are the majority nowadays. That’s not to say the opposite side (the MRA/MRM) does not have it’s insane/idiotic, misogynistic members. Some even wholly believe that women were never oppressed in the first place, and that being denied the ability to vote did not count because plenty of men did not have it and they were ‘just handed it’. Moreover, they claim the inability to own homes, and land, or get a decent job were ‘provision and protection’ and that arranged marriage is ‘providing a woman with money and a house for life’. I once encountered one of those in person (well, as ‘in person’ as a comments section can be) when I pointed out the arranged wives are often raped, he came out with the typical quip of ‘yeah, because all men will rape any time they get the chance’.
Only Humanists/Equalists seem to have the most sane, calm members (I mean that, while the insane MRAs in the minority, they still most likely outnumber those in the latter titles).
Well, thanks (I mean about you not making a snarky comment). Well, if they are shamed for being a virgin, they have every right to complain, but if it is more the attitude of “Why don’t people want to have sex with me?!” or “I need to get laid or I’m a loser who fails at life!” (though that is more other people’s attitudes), then yeah, they should be shamed for that.
Yes it does. I’ve never done anything sexual. I haven’t done those things previously.
As for the edit, again, I haven’t done anything sexual, and there is nothing wrong with respecting one’s virginity (or being asexual – i.e. not being interesting in or having the desire to have sex, or lack of a sexual attraction to anyone). I’m just doing what is natural. Maybe if I had lust and did have sex, then I would be pompous and two faced for refusing this one man/these men out of the others I may have been with. Modern Feminism/Femifascism has led to women thinking they can do whatever they want and no one can say otherwise, even though that’s not how life works. As it is has been said more than a few times, women can’t have it both ways.
No. Marriage is giving one’s body to their partner. Both partners. Ok, if she was too tired, and her partner (male or female) went ahead and still did that, that would a be a very selfish action, but they are married, and she has been with them sexually before.
Marriage is a partnership. You love each other. You listen to each other. If she was a virgin and was not ready, that is rape regardless of the marriage. The same goes if the genders were reversed. Some countries still don’t seem to understand that marriage does not mean you must get it or the marriage is invalid. In England, refusing to consummate a marriage (from either gender) is grounds for divorce Do they not understand the kinds of actions that can lead too?
And when it is a man, she has been penetrated vaginally, so the hands or mouth are nothing compared to that.
No, that’s bullshit. Once more, rape is not simply rape anymore. We now have to include the idiots that put themselves at risk of some sick beast, and the hypocrites. Being drugged or threatened is not you putting yourself at in a vulnerable position. Especially when it is your family is being threatened. If someone waved around money and walked home on their own, surely they put themselves in a position to be mugged, even though the actual crime is the fault of the criminal? That is real life. Criminals will attack those who look like an easy target.
It is not ‘force’ because it was the other woman who fell for it like an idiot. Being mentally disabled would be different. She would not know any better. A woman with full control of her mind or even the slightest hint of intelligence would not fall for such a thing, regardless of whether she is a naturally gullible person or not. Once more, this is a way to excuse women of their responsibility as equal citizens and blame and shame men yet more.
As I said, it is not the taking of virginity when I think raping a virgin (again, there is little no difference between a virgin and non-virgin man unless he the bottom in homosexual intercourse, but unlike men and women, two men and two women can swap that dynamic easily) is disgusting, sick, other negative expressions, is because that non-sexual woman is having something sexual (yes, she most likely will be planning to sex at some point, but she has yet to do it), something she is not a part of, being forced upon her. Just as say, a vegetarian would feel violated if meat was forced upon then, or if a Muslin had alcohol forced upon them. Why is that so hard to understand?
Ok.
No, you read me wrongly. I know perfectly well about Gigolos. And the ignored fact that plenty of boys are forced in sex trafficking. I was just saying that not as many men resort to it when they are desperate. For women, it is seem as natural, and the best choice, but men? No, there are things they can do. It is only the stupid women who think that is only or best option.
I know, but that choosing to lose one’s virginity for pleasure means one is being a permanent sexual being. Again, it’s like saying you won't risk getting mugged if you wave around money, much as that is your choice and there is nothing harmful about it (unless you are less well-off and find it insulting, but that is not an excuse for violence).
I know that, but again, they took that risk, as we all take risk in everything we do. Sometimes you can’t see it coming, hence why they are accidents, but taking part in a activity you know can result a certain result, and then trying to excuse that result, calling it ‘unwanted’ and ‘accidental’, especially when that is another person’s life? Sick, insane, inhumane.
That’s what I’m trying to say. There is no harm in that case unless they possess those pompous, ‘feminist’ attitudes I keep mentioning. As for when it does, see above.
Yes. And unlike humans, at least the animal is asleep during it. I mean yes, we don’t remember our infancy, and there is the benefits, but it’s the thought, that these so very young boys have had a sharp object placed at their genitals. And in some female version, sometimes they don’t just cut off the labia/clitoris, they take away everything on the outside. And of course, ther is no sanitation or pain relief. Just recently I read that as well as the usual broken glass, sometimes fingernails are used. And of course, it has no heath benefits whatsoever, and, most likely because it is where they were raised, women still accept it as a necessary and normal part of their life.
Of course. But people are too lenient now. I know it is cruel thing to say, but mental conditions are not an excuse for ruining another person’s life. And imagine how their loved ones would feel, nothing that victim did not get justice.
No. I said numerous times why it is wrong. If murdering a child just born is murder, then murdering that life when it is still inside you is wrong as well. There is no ‘measure’ of life. Life is life, until they forfeit it by (again) destroying the life one of someone or some being else. So it is ‘irritating’ to care for all innocent life equality, to want true equality, to want to give everyone a chance regardless of their situation, to not have willing fathers ignored and belittled? Well, at least, unlike most pro-choicers (the choice, once more, was to have sex), you did not stereotype me as being some bible-thumping loon. And even if someone opposes it on religious grounds, I feel there is nothing wrong with that either. People are entitled to their beliefs. I even say the same for homophobes, and the arsehole brand of atheism, as plenty of people will share their beliefs about them The extreme ones need to be ignored.
Yup.
I said it before. Because of the way women and men work, etc, etc.
I’m just saying I’m resigned to that.
Again, that is good. They feel the way they feel and have a right to it.
Yes, I know, but yes, just like you, I’ve never been in a sexual relationship, so perhaps, I guess I can it put like…well, Matt and I always have and always had such long, interesting or strange conversations, and if that suddenly stopped or never happened, I would feel like the relationship is not working out, and we could end up drifting apart, so one may feel that, if the sex is missing, it is not a full relationship. While that is still very shallow, it has the same reasoning behind it, I would think.
Yes, but the difference is, she did not for completely natural reasons. She did not show any selfishness or think she was better because of it, because, as you said, it’s still sex, even though it was the pregnancy she desired. Besides, even though I wasn’t (much as mum wanted it to be that way), any child born the natural way has touched their mum’s vagina.
As it is someone else’s. You don’t know where they’ve been, what they’ve done. Would you drink from a straw someone else had used?
Well, actually, that is what I say too. So long as one had a good house over there head and food in their belly, or food to spare, I think we should be happy. Of course, though, humans are more complicated than that.
And? Their choice.
Because I myself am uncomfortable with the idea. And even if you are comfortable with, are a very sexual, as the penetrated party, it is that no matter what. She is ‘giving herself’ to another. Even if those two break up or it is one night stand, that person still has that. A woman is not ‘free’ of that person simply because she stopped sleeping with them, virgin when she started or not. They still have the fact that she gave herself to them, that she did have sex with them.
It is not ‘traumatizing’. I’m simply happy I’m not part of that group. As it natural for an asexual (though there are other forms), I am uncomfortable with the idea of sex, or sexual activity. I don’t need to ‘try it’ in order to know that I don’t like it.
I am not saying it is a ‘bad’ thing, but that that is just the way it works.
I did not say it was an ‘invitation’. I said it is putting oneself at risk. And if you are alone, one has to be weary. I’m not one of those people who are all “It’ll never happen me!” people.
And there is a difference between dressing lightly, and mini skirt or low cut top/boob tube, and then having the cheek to complain when someone else admires (not ‘objectifies’, as you are a person, a sexual person not a character on a screen) your body. Even in school, even when their skirts were unbelievably tiny, they still wore tights and kept it relatively modest. And if someone is so ‘proud of their body’, they have even less right to complain, especially when it is just words, or a look. I knew you would mention shirtless men. Nudity itself is sexual, however it is the way the nudity is framed or displayed. For example, if said hypothetical man had on a gimp mask and leech.
I’m not immune from judgement upon my hobbies/clothing, either, remember? However, with me always wearing decent clothes and being a virgin, I have a right to complain about such a thing as I am not a part of that group.
Yes, and that is a terrible attitude. They take modestly way, way too far, and act if as a woman cannot have any fun outside the home or she is putting herself at risk. My (and the reasoning most so called ‘victim-blamers’, such as that police officer who sparked the SlutWalk horseshite), is valid is not doing any harm, as they are words on someone’s choice, views make sense instead of being oppressive.
No, it’s an oxymoron (yes, I know what that is) to say that a sexual woman is getting ‘assaulted’ when she has nothing to lose.
Of course. No means no when it actually is no, and not some two-faced missy kidding on she has better standards.
I don’t care if others think it is wrong. They take that over all of my other beliefs, making it out that that is all I am. I have other subjects in my life, other pursuits. They are putting me in a box as much as I am to them.
No, it’s not, because being black is not a choice. Having sex is.
I do, but I just can’t see it any other way in regards to that topic. Even the cake analogy much as I understood it (that just because someone enjoys doing something, it does not make it okay for another person to make them do it), however, again, that is not sex, that is an irreversible choice. Just because I’m not some sheep to bows down to misandric, hypocritical Femifascists does not make a bad person.
I know it is. But even when I try to be nice, it still does not work. I tried to be nice to my bullies too, and they still punched and kicked, and insulted and stole my inhaler and magnifier.
I am trying to do so too. But again, it’s hard when people are screaming at you. Again, I enjoy having a nice, calm debate as much as I would fawning over a mutual interest with someone. The former simply gets me thinking more. I do like to see what the other sides say, but not when they are screaming and shouting and insulting and whatnot.
Again, once sexual topics, especially when it someone saying how great they are for being sexual.
Sexually activity is sexual activity. Hardly anyone believes in the ‘technical virgin’ anyone. For example, say someone gives a blowjob, they would most likely be laughed at if they still claimed virginity.
Well, if it really was small, then ok. Even if you pissed someone off, that’s still not an excuse. No, I am not ‘shrugging off’ ‘rape’, I care about actual issues and not some lady who kids on she’s better than other non-virgins.
“Indeed. Everyone is free to think what will, but that does not stop some attitudes from having selfish/hypocritical connotations.”
If they are selfish for complaining what does that make you?
“Then fair enough. They are not pretending to be what they are not. It’s not suprizing many do not identify as such, given the blatant misandry, double standards and the ‘any negative attitude towards women is sexist and misogynist, and everyone bad that happens to them is someone else’s fault’ that exists within it, and are the majority nowadays. That’s not to say the opposite side (the MRA/MRM) does not have it’s insane/idiotic, misogynistic members. Some even wholly believe that women were never oppressed in the first place, and that being denied the ability vote did not count because plenty of men did not have it and they were ‘just handed it’. Moreover, they claim the inability to own homes, and land, or get a decent job were ‘provision’and protection’ and that arranged marriage is ‘providing a woman with money and a house for life’. I once encountered one of those in person (well, as ‘in person’ as a comments section can be) when I pointed out the arranged wives are often raped, he came out with the typical quip of ‘yeah, because all men will rape any time they get the chance’
Only Humanists/Equalists seem to have the most sane, calm members (I mean that, while the insane MRAs in the minority, they still most likely outnumber those in the latter titles).”
I do not think all “feminists” think like that. I think there’s a whole wide world out there you haven’t met and perhaps you are hung up on the ones you’ve seen so far online. I don’t know what that person was trying to imply. If they truly believe that I believe they are wrong. The might have been making a sarcastic comment though.
“Well, thanks (I mean about you not making a snarky comment). Well, if they are shamed for being a virgin, they have every right to complain, but is more the attitude of “Why don’t people want to have sex with me?!” or “I need to get liad or I’m a loser who fails at life!” (though that is more other people’s attitudes), then yeah, they should be shamed for that.”
Look up wizard-chan sometime and see for yourself. V9K might be interesting for you as a perspective on how “super-virgins” act towards each other.
“Yes it does. I’ve never done anything sexual. I haven’t done those things previously.”
Doesn’t mean if you do you won’t feel disgust. If you became a sexual being you would still find it disgusting if someone forced themselves on you.
“As for the edit, again, I haven’t done anything sexual, and there is nothing wrong with respecting one’s virginity (or being asexual – i.e. not being interesting in or having the desire to have sex, or lack of a sexual attraction to anyone). I’m just doing what is natural. Maybe if I had lust and did have sex, then I would be pompous and two faced for refusing this one man/these men out of the others I may have been with. Modern Feminism/Femifascism has led to women thinking they can do whatever they want and no one can say otherwise, even though that’s not how life works. As it is has been said more than a few times, women can’t have it both ways. “
Here’s the thing, you wouldn’t be two-faced or pompous because you have a right to choose. It would not be wrong for you to say no. And women can do anything they want with their bodies because it’s their right. That is how life works. You have a right that you don’t see. It’s like having a right to own your own home and because you let one guy in for a friendly cup of tea you think you don’t have a right to stop him or another guy from coming in when he’s wielding an axe. Because you don’t think women have a right to their own body, like those people some time ago think women can’t own their own home.
“No. Marriage is giving one’s body to their partner. Both partners. Ok, if she was too tired, and her partner (male or female) went ahead and still did that, that would a be a very selfish action, but they are married, and she has been with them sexually before.”
No, marriage is not giving away a person’s body. They agree to spend their lives together and look after each other. And have sex only with each other (unless you have one of those open marriages/ polygamy). And while cheating on a spouse is horrible it is far worse to hole them up and forbid them from seeing anyone because he or she thinks that they own the person. One ends a relationship. The other takes away a persons’ rights.
“Marriage is a partnership. If she was a virgin and was not ready, that is rape regardless of the marriage. The same goes if the genders were reversed. Some countries still don’t seem to understand that marriage does not mean you must get it or the marriage is invalid. In England, refusing to consummate a marriage (from either gender) is grounds for divorce. Do they not understand the kinds of actions that can lead too?”
It can lead to some bad things. But (and this is my take on it and mine alone, I could be wrong here, and probably am) it is my opinion that a relationship without sex might as well be simply a friendship. You are asexual and would probably see it different. There are marriages that work out without sex. But not everyone can be like that. And not everyone can be like me. And not everyone can be like you.
“And when it is a man, she has been penetrated vaginally, so the hands or mouth are nothing compared to that.”
Legally they have a different name (indecent assault) but forcing it on someone is still illegal and immoral. Whether they are better or worse is a moot point to me you might as well be saying it is worse to kill a person by stabbing them in the back rather than shooting them in the head. They’re both still murder, and it they’re both forms of sexual abuse.
“No, that’s bullshit. Once more, rape is not simply rape anymore. We now have to include the idiots that put themselves at risk of some sick beast, and the hypocrites. Being drugged or threatened is not you putting yourself at in a vulnerable position. Especially when it is your family is being threatened. If someone waved around money and walked home on their own, surely they put themselves in a position to be mugged, even though the actual crime is the fault of the criminal? That is real life. Criminals will attack those who look like an easy target”
You sound like El-Hillaly. READ THIS- www.theaustralian.com.au/news/…
If a piece of meat is left out uncovered- That’s what he says. “She should be stuck at home wearing a hijab”. You sound just like him. Do you really think women are nothing all but meat to men? I guess that’s all you are too, a covered piece of meat thinking a cat is too stupid to lift up the cover. A Shiek got kicked out of a country for comments like this. An entire country was against him. Guess how many people are against you, if they saw what you had to say about rape?
“It is not ‘force’ because it was the other woman who fell for it like an idiot. Being mentally disabled would be different. She would not know any better. A woman with full control of her mind or even the slightest hint of intelligence would not fall for such a thing, regardless of whether she is a naturally gullible person or not. Once more, this is a way to excuse women of their responsibility as equal citizens and blame and shame men yet more.”
You honestly think you or no-one you know and respect would have that happen to you/ them? Okay, say your mother decided to have sex simply to become pregnant. What if the man she was doing it with was keeping a secret; he was infertile. Wouldn’t that be wrong of him to do that to your Mother? I take it from your own hints your Mother would never agree to sex if pregnancy was not involved.
“As I said, it is not the taking of virginity when I think raping a virgin (again, there is little no difference between a virgin and non-virgin man unless he the bottom in homosexual intercourse, but unlike men and women, two men and two women can swap that dynamic easily) is disgusting, sick, other negative expressions, is because that non-sexual woman is having something sexual (yes, she most likely will be planning to sex at some point, but she has yet to do it), nothing she is a part of, being forced upon her. Just as say, a vegetarian would feel violated if meat was forced upon then, or if a Muslin had alcohol forced upon them. Why is that so hard to understand?”
No, no stop there. Imagine this situation instead; someone came along, got some dog poop, mixed in some shards of broken glass and a bit of alcohol and force fed it to both a muslim and a non-muslim. Now imagine the muslim complaining he or she was force-fed alcohol and how that alone is bad, and the non-muslim had suffered nothing at all because he or she had had alcohol in the past, TOTALLY IGNORING the pile of shit and broken glass the other person and themselves was forcefed. That is how you sound. Hello, a PIECE OF SHIT was forced down your throat. A PIECE of SHIT was forced down the other person’s throat. Do you even care? Just so long as you don’t have alcohol and just because the other person had a bit of booze.
“Ok.”
Okay.
“No, you read me wrongly. I know perfectly well about Gigolos. And the ignored fact that plenty of boys are forced in sex trafficking. I was just saying that not as many men resort to it when they are desperate. For women, it is seem as natural, and the best choice, but men? No, there are things they can do. It is only the stupid women who think that is only or best option.”
Stupid? You know what it’s like in poorer countries? Let’s see how stupid you think it is when you’re starving to death and you’d do anything for a bite to eat.
“I know, but that choosing to lose one’s virginity for pleasure means one is being a permanent sexual being. Again, it’s like saying you can get mugged if you wave around money, much as that is your choice and there is nothing harmful about it (unless you are less well-off and find it insulting, but that is not an excuse for violence). “
Nobody cares if someone’s a sexual permanent being. Why? Because that’s what the majority of the human race is.
“I know that, but again, they took that risk, as we all take risk in everything we do. Sometimes you can’t see coming, hence why they are accidents, but taking apart in a activity you know can result a certain result, and then trying to excuse that result, calling it ‘unwanted’ and ‘accidental’, especially when that is another person’s life? Sick, insane, inhumane.”
There’s kind of a low success rate of that result happening at all with contraceptives. It’s like saying “a plane as a 0.0001% chance of crashing” “aha that means they can already see that the plane WILL crash. They are responsible for taking their family onto that death carriage!”
As for those who call it unwanted or accidental can’t really speak for them. It’s still not technically a life from my point of view (there’s no brain yet). But you see it different.
“That’s what I’m trying to say. There is no harm in that case unless they possess those pompous, ‘feminist’ attitudes I keep mentioning. As for when it does, see above.”
I think you need to meet more people.
“Yes. And unlike humans, at least the animal is asleep during it. I mean yes, we don’t remember our infancy, and there is the benefits, but it’s the thought, that this these so very young boys have had a sharp object placed at their genitals. And in some female version, sometimes they don’t just cut off the labia/clitoris, they take away everything on the outside. And of course, ther is no sanitation or pain relief. Just recently I read that as well as the usual broken glass, sometimes fingernails are used. And of course, it has no heath benefits whatsoever, and, most likely because it is where they were raised, women still accept it as a necessary and normal part of their life.”
Yep, things like that are barbaric. Things like that should be stopped.
“Of course. But people are too lenient now. I know it is cruel thing to say, but mental conditions are not an excuse for ruining another person’s life. And imagine how their loved ones would feel, nothing that victim did not get justice.”
Exactly.
“No. I said numerous times why it is wrong. If murdering a child just born is murder, then murdering that life when it is still inside you is wrong as well. There is no ‘measure’ of life. Life is life, until they forfeit it by (again) destroying the life one of someone or some being else. So it is ‘irritating’ to care for all innocent life equality, to want true equality, to want to give everyone a chance regardless of their situation, to not have willing fathers ignored and belittled? Well, at least, unlike most pro-choicers (the choice, once more, was to have sex), you did not stereotype me as being some bible-thumping loon. And even if someone opposes it on religious grounds, I feel there is nothing wrong with that either. People are entitled to their beliefs. I even say the same for homophobes, and the arsehole brand of atheism, as plenty of people will share their beliefs about them The extreme ones need to be ignored.”
What you qualify as life is different from what others qualify as life. The argument goes on. If you feel so strongly about abortion there are some nice sites I can show you where it gets debated where there are people who feel as strongly about it as you.
“I’m just saying I’m resigned to that.”
Okay
“Again, that is good. They feel the way they feel and have a right to it.”
Indeed they do.
“Yes, I know, but yes, just like you, I’ve never been in a sexual relationship, so perhaps, I guess I can it put like…well, Matt and I always have and always had such long, interesting or strange conversations, and if that suddenly stopped or never happened, I would feel like the relationship is not working out, and we could end up drifting apart, so one may feel that, if the sex is missing, it is not a full relationship. While that is still very shallow, it has the same reasoning behind it, I would think.”
It might. Each relationship is different though.
“Yes, but the difference is, she did not for completely natural reasons. She did not show any selfishness or think she was better because of it, because, as you said, it’s still sex, even though it was the pregnancy she desired. Besides, even though I wasn’t (much as mum wanted it to be that way), any child born the natural way has touched their mum’s vagina.”
Is your Mother asexual too?
“As it is someone else’s. You don’t know where they’ve been, what they’ve done. Would you drink from a straw someone else had used?”
I would and have already done so.
“Well, actually, that is what I say too. So long as one had a good house over there head and food in their belly, or food to spare, I think we should be happy. Of course, though, humans are more complicated than that.”
This is true.
“And? Their choice.”
Indeed.
“Because I myself am uncomfortable with the idea. And even if you are comfortable with, are a very sexual, as the penetrated party, it is that no matter what. She is ‘giving herself’ to another. Even if those two break up or it is one night stand, that person still has that. A woman is not ‘free’ of that person simply because she stopped sleeping with them, virgin when she started or not. They still have the fact that she gave herself to them, that she did have sex with them. “
Here’s the thing, when a one-night stand happens, the two go away, they (usually) never meet again. EVER. The man is completely gone from the woman’s life and vice-versa, and cannot in anyway control her if he’s out of her life. If he or she got knocked on the head and got amnesia, the whole sex act might as well of never happened. And if neither of them care, again, it might as well not of happened. This doesn’t make her a virgin. But it’s something that’s mostly mental (putting aside the hymen stuff) and stays in the mind. You seem to be uncomfortable because you fear the idea of a man (or woman) being able to control you or looking submissive, am I right? Or do you think that one event will haunt you for the rest of your days?
“It is not ‘traumatizing’. I’m simply happy I’m not part of that group. As it natural for an asexual (though there are other forms), I am uncomfortable with the idea of sex, or sexual activity. I don’t need to ‘try it’ in order to know that I don’t like it. I am not saying it is a ‘bad’ thing, but that that is just the way it works.”
I see. Homophobic people are happy they’re not part of the LGBT movement. They’d rather die, in fact. In fact, I met someone really against gay people once who said she’d rather die than be like them. There’s the usual discomfort of a strait person, and you feel discomfort, fine. But considering how vocal you’ve been about non-virgins already, well…. In the case of the girl I mentioned, you can kind of expect lesbians everywhere trying to get under her skin.
“I did not say it was an ‘invitation’. I said it is putting oneself at risk. And if you are alone, one has to be weary. I’m not one of those people who are all “It’ll never happen me!” people.”
A lot of people live alone. They get by just fine. Not saying it’ll never happen to them either though.
“And there is a difference between dressing lightly, and mini skirt or low cut top/boob tube, and then having the cheek to complain when someone else admires (not ‘objectifies’, as you are a person, a sexual person not a character on a screen) your body. Even in school, even when their skirts were unbelievably tiny, they still wore tights and kept it relatively modest. And if someone is so ‘proud of their body’, they have even less right to complain, especially when it is just words, or a look. I knew you would mention shirtless men. Nudity itself is sexual, however it is the way the nudity is framed or displayed. For example, if said hypothetical man had on a gimp mask and leech.”
We are not talking about a gimp mask, or people simply admiring. Or at least I am not. Saying a woman who wears a boob-tube and a miniskirt has no right to complain when a man harasses her or rapes her is like saying a man who takes a shirt off on a hot day or dresses nicely when he goes out has no right to complain when a woman harasses him or rapes him. Boob-tube or miniskirt is the equivalent of a man in a singlet or shorts, or wearing a nice suit when he goes out. So he looks sexy in that jacket. This isn’t asking for it. I’m not going to be a bitch and harass him or anything worse. What gives men or anyone a right to then?
“I’m not immune from judgement upon my hobbies/clothing, either, remember? However, with me always wearing decent clothes and being a virgin, I have a right to complain about such a thing as I am not a part of that group.”
I guess Islamic extremists have the right to complain about you not wearing a hijab then.
“Yes, and that is a terrible attitude. They take modestly way, way too far, and act if as a woman cannot have any fun outside the home or she is putting herself at risk. My (and the reasoning most so called ‘victim-blamers’, such as that police officer who sparked the SlutWalk horseshite), is valid is not doing any harm, as they are words on someone’s choice, views make sense instead of being oppressive.”
Funny, that’s how I see you; taking modesty way, way too far and act as if a woman cannot have any fun.
“No, it’s an oxymoron (yes, I know what that is) to say that a sexual woman is getting ‘assaulted’ when she has nothing to lose.”
You have nothing to lose either, as you are no different from her. If she has nothing to lose, neither do you, except some belief of whether you’re a virgin or not. To me that amounts to nothing. So you have nothing to lose.
“Of course. No means no when it actually is no, and not some two-faced missy kidding on she has better standards.”
Like you have better standards?
“I don’t care if others think it is wrong. They take that over all of my other beliefs, making it out that that is all I am. I have other subjects in my life, other pursuits. They are putting me in a box as much as I am to them.”
Hey, Hitler was nice to his pets. They took his killing of Jews over all his other beliefs. He had other pursuits too. How dare they put him in a box.
“No, it’s not, because being black is not a choice. Having sex is. “
Just like having homosexual sex is a choice? Like what the gay-haters say?
“I do, but I just can’t see it any other way in regards to that topic. Even the cake analogy much as I understood it (that just because someone enjoys doing something, it does not make it okay for another person to make them do it), however, again, that is not sex, that is an irreversible choice. Just because I’m not some sheep to bows down to misandric, hypocritical Femifascists does not make a bad person.”
It’s because you see what is moral and right as misandric and hypocritical. You see what other people as doing the right thing as being sheep. That makes you a bad person. Until you understand that sexual abuse of ANYONE as wrong, you are a bad person.
“I know it is. But even when I try to be nice, it still does not work. I tried to be nice to my bullies too, and they still punched and kicked, and insulted and stole my inhaler and magnifier.”
I feel bad for you.
But what are you going to do? Descend into hatred against them?
“I am trying to do so too. But again, it’s hard when people are screaming at you. Again, I enjoy having a nice, calm debate as much as I would fawning over a mutual interest with someone. The former simply gets me thinking more. I do like to see what the other sides say, but not when they are screaming and shouting and insulting and whatnot.”
Like when you got bashed and had your inhaler stolen etc, they lash out at you because to them you’re on the side of those people who assault others. They see you like you saw your attackers.
“Again, once sexual topics, especially when it someone saying how great they are for being sexual.”
The places you’ve been at that I’ve seen isn’t people who say “hurr durr I got laid I’m more awesome than you”, is it?
“Sexually activity is sexual activity. Hardly anyone believes in the ‘technical virgin’ anyone. For example, say someone gives a blowjob, they would most likely be laughed at if they still claimed virginity.”
That’s odd, no-one I ever met has said anything like that, both online and IRL. Unless you count wizard-chan.
“Well, if it really was small, then ok. Even if you pissed someone off, that’s still not an excuse. No, I am not ‘shrugging off’ ‘rape’, I care about actual issues and not some lady who kids on she’s better than other non-virgins.”
Okay, who says that?
The same as them, though at least I have better reasons.
Well, I’ve seen their protests in the streets, but in my city, we don’t get much of that bullshit, the woman screaming and chanting on the streets. The only thing close to could be the Republican (the Irish variety) and Orange Order marches, and even when they have a speaker, they do not demand everyone listen and curse at anyone who disagrees with their speech. Even aboard I never say of that, even in America. Maybe I’m just unlucky in that regard.
Oh, how I wish there were sarcastic. They were very serious. Again, minority as they are, there are plenty of them. The one I encountered is Razlo5000 on youtube, but they are everywhere. He is…quite the something.
Ok then, I will. By that name, I’m getting the feeling they come from 4chan.
Edit: Oh, wait’s it’s a board…okay…let’s see…
But I’m not. And even if I did, it would only be to have a baby anyway, if I ever did. I’d still be uncomfortable with having to do it, but I would not do something like Invetro when I am perfectly capable of producing a child physically. I would not be a hypocrite, though, as I would be married, and would be having that sex for getting pregnant (yes, I know that pregnancy does not happen everyone time a man and woman have sex). I would not be saying this one man is an expectation when I am perfectly happy to seek out sexual partners for pleasure, to have premarital sex.
They shared their bodies. They are not ‘choosing’, but thinking themselves better, regardless of attraction. They are acting as if this particular person does not deserve their already sexual form, acting like they are special. They have a right to their bodies, just not to be hypocrites when they have already flung themselves at men or other women.
Once again, that is not sex. Letting this one person in my home does not turn me into some gullible idiot who lets anyone in, but having sex makes you a sexual being forever.
That is what I meant. It is the union of those two bodies, and soppy as this is, minds. They are partners. Refusing to be a good partner, to provide them with what you are happy to provide them with, is selfish. Well, again, unless that woman was a virgin when she married him, he cannot ‘cheat’, as again, he would not be the one allowing someone of the opposite gender inside him, to take him, to taint the relationship. However, of course I agree on the second part. Regardless of gender, of course, these people are arseholes, in that they refuse to let their partners so much as look at someone of the opposite/same sex (I guess bisexuals can’t look at anyone, with that logic). I think that being attracted to other people outside of marriage is bad on either person, but I still accept that is natural and so long as they don’t do anything, it’s harmless. I would hope most people do. Your attraction would not just stop when you are pronounced married. However, there comes the double standard that if a man does it, he’s a pervert, but a woman, she’s just expressing her sexuality and only hers is ‘harmless’.
Indeed. Of course I do. It is basically saying that a relationship without sex is invalid. What if a member of a couple had a problem with their genitals? Even sexual couples express love through other actions (kissing, holding hands, cuddling, speaking certain words or phrases) so why can a relationship not just work without that completely?
Also, if a couple was not married and had still been with each other for so many years (or did not even believe in marriage), I consider that as real a relationship as a married couple, as I live in the modern world. Besides, I suppose not believing in marriage would be quite freeing.
Again, I know that. I’m not saying everyone should be like that. I’m not saying I’m ‘unique’ either, as everyone has something in common with another person. However, people of course say my boyfriend is just in it because he hopes he might get sex one day, make the yawn-inducing ‘tiny penis’ jokes, that he’s just too ‘scared’ to leave, that he only agrees with me because he's 'whipped' and so on. Yeah, because it’s not like men are perfectly capable of being born asexual or just plain not being interested in sex (though most would still most likely masturbate, but depending on their position on the spectrum, will not think of anyone else when doing it…as strange as that is). It just adds to the negative stereotypes of men.
No. It would be far worse to force an innocent, strong woman into unwanted sex than it would be to put one’s penis in a non-virgin’s hand and mouth. Again, it does not change her status, it does not change her body.
I know about that report, and I am not saying the same. I am not saying a woman should say home and never have any skin on show (that is ridiculous, as what kind of modern person is aroused by only bare arms or legs…well, there is probably a fetish out there, but normal people would not). I am not saying the same as him. This sums up, very well, the logical, non-sexist reasoning: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0GcH… (and again, those so called ‘feminists’ only focus on female victims, and where are the "don’t make false rape allegations, accept your drunken mistake or break up, as you are invalidating actual victims”). This adds onto it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACGV-f… . I am not saying women are not allowed to ever go out and have fun, I am saying that the harsh reality is that vertain cunts will choose people who look like they will be easy to attack.
That’s different though. Infertility is something uncontrollable, having sex is so. Yes, the man should have spoke up, but if they cannot bring themselves to say the problem (the same goes for STDs), but want to have sex with their partner to make them happy, then it is both their faults.
Is that a problem that she thinks that way? She’s just interested in it for other reasons.
Of course, it would count just as horrible for both. No one willingly eats shit unless they have the fetish for it, so it would bad for both, if not a little worse for the muslin.
Well, I will never understand that. I can just do my best to keep trying to help and stop people from having the make that choice.
Exactly, they have nothing to complain about.
Again, everything has a risk. However, if we did not take those risks life would be boring, but they can still be our fault. It just depends on how big that risk is and how conscious the decision.
I support equality. You and the pro-chociers have the right to your opinion, but not to call people who dare support women taking responsibly and not be hypocrites ‘anti-women’ or ‘anti-feminist’ is not very equal-sounding.
I’m just going on what I’ve seen.
Yup.
Yeah, but the pro-choicers will just spit the same ‘misogyny!’, ‘religious nut’, ‘it’s “my” body’ (even though you shared it with another/share it with the new life, and that new life has a body of it’s own, and you were a foetus once), while turning around saying men have no right to say anything because they don’t have a womb, and don’t have to ‘work as hard’ (do they forget the kind of shit pregnant women can put their partners through? I understand pregnancy can causing suffering too, some people tend forget the puking, the pain, the weird cravings, the mood swings, etc). And morning sickness can even last all day according to some. However, others have remarkable willpower. A teacher at my secondary school still came to work when she was seven months in. Now that is commitment.
As for the relationships, of course (I could not think of a response last few sentences other than that I agree).
I’m not sure. I just know she only sex to get pregnant.
Well, ok then, you are comfortable with that. My OCD/paranoia simply says otherwise. Well, I can drink from something my mum has drank being, being that we are so closely related.
And it’s not like we are the only species who enjoy/require mental stimulation/activities that make us feel happy. In an ideal world, we would all be happy with the simple things in life.
The woman being in charge of that situation would be understandable as the man does not care. It still does not stop it from being selfish and callous.
No, I’m just uncomfortable with sex in general, especially the whole ‘something being inside me’ thing, but not because I’ll see myself as submissive, but as I just don’t like the idea of the whole thing in general.
*Sigh* Homosexuality is not a choice. That person is a twat. And again, they scream at people for daring to have a negative opinion on their choices so why can’t I have a negative opinion on them?
Yeah, but surely they can have friends?
Again, I refer to the videos above, and again say while it is the criminal’s fault for the crime, she increased the chances of it happening. He is not wearing clothing meant to show his body sexually.
The clue is in the word ‘extremists’. And they are not ‘Islamic’ just as extreme ‘Christians’ are not Christians, because just like everything else, religion can evolve.
I’ve explained the difference above.
I have the fact that they would be taking and destroying my body, and most likely traumatizing me in the process. I know that, no matter how strong my mind, is I would react to such a thing like any other victim. And again, I’ve never had sex. That is called virginity, it is not a ‘social construct’ just because women don’t like it, as there is a difference between the bodies/minds of sexually active and non-sexually active beings, especially heterosexual women.
I’m not interested in sex, just as I'm not interested in most sports. End of.
Oh yes, because having an opinion someone’s choice is the same as having an opinon on someone who committed disgusting crimes.
At least homosexual intercourse is not as selfish as heterosexual intercourse, as much as it is still a choice. Plus, the partners are more equal, as they are the same gender.
That is your opinion, just as I have mine. I am not damaging anyone by having it.
Ah, now there is sarcasm I can see. I wasn’t trying to get sympathy. I’m not some fragile waif. I was just pointing out a similar situation.
I got over it (though my anxiety probably stems from it). I’m not going to hate them for having lives so meaningless they felt the need to pick on someone who never did anything to deserve it.
But I’m not attacking anyone, only giving back the attitude they have. Why should I be nice to those who do not do the same? I’m not a doormat.
No (even in bars I tend to leave before the drunken idiots start yelling and arguing) but they still proclaim about how ‘liberated’ and ‘independent’ (HA!) they are.
Well, there’s people to take abstinence, for one.
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And yeah it still sounds like el hillally. You're just swapping meat on display with unlocked homes. He's even agreeing with him in the second vid.
The woman he was arguing against sounds like an over-reactive air-head. But she does bring up an interesting point; why not just stab any attackers? Forget fussing over what you wear if it entices rapists or not, just carry a weapon. You want rape minimisation? Why not just go straight to capsicum spray? All this worry about dress is a waste of time.
The same as them, though at least I have better reasons.”
Reasoning is the same; both you and they want to be left alone.
“Well, I’ve seen their protests in the streets, but in my city, we don’t get much of that bullshit, the woman screaming and chanting on the streets. The only thing close to could be the Republican (the Irish variety) and Orange Order marches, and even when they have a speaker, they do not demand everyone listen and curse at anyone who disagrees with their speech. Even aboard I never say of that, even in America. Maybe I’m just unlucky in that regard.”
I meant, you know, go out to a pub or a café or something and talk to people. Talk to those “non-virgins” to the face. Get to know them. Hang out with them. Be friends with them. That’s what changed my opinions in the end; friends.
“Oh, how I wish there were sarcastic. They were very serious. Again, minority as they are, there are plenty of them. The one I encountered is Razlo5000 on youtube, but they are everywhere. He is…quite the something.”
Okay if he isn’t then this guy is bad for saying men will rape whenever they get the chance. Not all men are like that. It’s even more confusing when this comes from a guy.
“Ok then, I will. By that name, I’m getting the feeling they come from 4chan.
Edit: Oh, wait’s it’s a board…okay…let’s see…”
Enjoy. I know I found it entertaining. If by entertaining means throwing my sanity down the drain.
“But I’m not. And even if I did, it would only be to have a baby anyway, if I ever did. I’d still be uncomfortable with having to do it, but I would do something in Invetro when I am perfectly capable of producing a child physically. I would not be a hypocrite, though, as I would be married, and would be having that sex for getting pregnant (yes, I know that pregnancy does not happen everyone two a man and woman have sex). I would not be saying this one man is an expectation when I am perfectly happy to seek out sexual partners for pleasure, to have premarital sex.”
Yes, you never had sex, I get it. I’m just saying even if you did/ someone else had they would still feel disgust.
“They shared their bodies. They are not ‘choosing’, but thinking themselves better, regardless of attraction. They are acting as if this particular person does not deserve their already sexual form, acting like they are special. They have a right to their bodies, just not to be hypocrites when they have already flung themselves at men or other women.”
Like you are acting nobody deserves your form? Like you are special?
Joking aside, the thing is, NOBODY deserves anyone’s sexual form. EVER. The only time they are allowed is when both consent. After that, it goes back to not deserving anyone’s body. No-one on this planet is entitled to sex, and no-one has to give away their bodies, whether sexual or not. No means no, whether from a sexual person or not, and they aren’t hypocrites. Why is that so hard for you to understand? What will It take for you to see sexual people aren’t hypocrites for saying no?
“Once again, that is not sex. Leading this one person does not turn me into some gullible idiot who lets anyone in, but having sex makes you a sexual being forever. “
Is your Mother a sexual being forever? She only has sex for having kids, you said. Where’s her condemned future as a sexual being then?
“That is what I meant. It is the union of those two bodies. They are partners. Refusing to be a good partner, to provide them with what you are happy to provide them with, is selfish. Well, again, unless that woman was a virgin when she married him, he cannot ‘cheat’, as again, he would not be the one allowing someone of the opposite gender inside him, to take him, to taint the relationship. However, of course I agree on the second part. Regardless of gender, of course, these people are arseholes, in that they refuse to let their partners so much as look at someone of the opposite/same sex (I guess bisexuals can’t look at anyone, with that logic). I think that being attracted to other people outside of marriage is bad on either person, but I still accept that is natural and so long as they don’t do anything, it’s harmless. I would hope most people do. Your attraction would not just stop when you are pronounced married. However, there comes the double standard that if a man does it, he’s a pervert, but a woman, she’s just expressing her sexuality and only hers is ‘harmless’.”
I don’t get those people who think their husbands are bad for looking at porn or whatever. They’re kind of restricted to the uptight and the fanatical.
“Indeed. Of course I do. It is basically saying that a relationship without sex is invalid. What if a member of a couple had a problem with their genitals? Even sexual couples express love through other actions (kissing, holding hands, cuddling, speaking certain words or phrases) so why can a relationship just work without that completely?”
That is a point. A friendship however is a form of relationship, though. Not something that should be considered invalid.
“Also, if a couple was not married and had still been with each other for so many years (or did not even believe in marriage), I consider that as real a relationship as a married couple, as I live in the modern world.”
Interesting thought.
“Again, I know that. I’m not saying everyone should be like that. I’m not saying I’m ‘unique’ either, as everyone has something in common with another person. However, people of course say my boyfriend is just in it because he hopes he might get sex one day, make the yawn-inducing ‘tiny penis’ jokes, that he’s just too ‘scared’ to leave, and so on. Yeah, because it’s not like men are perfectly capable of being born asexual or just plain not being interested in sex (though most would still most likely masturbate, but depending on their position on the spectrum, will not think of anyone else when doing it…as strange as that is). It just adds to the negative stereotypes of men.”
Okay, these people are just being idiots poking you where it hurts and rustling your jimmies for kicks. Why be bothered by it? But that being said, isn’t it just as wrong to presume women can’t be born (or pubated to, to be more correct) being a sexual or just plain interested in sex?
“No. It would be far worse to force an innocent, strong woman into unwanted sex than it would be to put one’s penis in a non-virgin’s hand and mouth. Again, it does not change her status, it does not change her body.”
So it’s far worse for you to be forced into sex than for a stranger to put his penis into your mother’s hand or mouth. Okay.
“I know about that report, and I am not saying the same. I am not saying a woman should say home and never have any skin on show (that is ridiculous, as what kind of modern person is aroused by only bare arms or legs…well, there is probably a fetish out there, but normal people would not). I am not saying the same as him.”
Yet you condemned mini-skirts and boob-tubes. What kind of modern is aroused by bare arms or legs? What’s wrong with wearing them, then?
“ This sums up, very well, the logical, non-sexist reasoning: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T0GcH…@ (and again, those so called ‘feminists’ only focus on female victims, and where are the ‘don’t make false rape allegations, accept your drunken mistake or break up, as you are invalidating actual victims”). This adds onto it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACGV-f…@ . I am not saying women are not allowed to ever go out and have fun, I am saying that the harsh reality is that people will choose people who look like they will be easy to attack.”
Okay, I’ll look at that in sec.
“That’s different though. Infertility is not something uncontrollable, having sex is so. Yes, the man should have spoke up, but if they cannot bring themselves to say the problem (the same goes for STDs), but want to have sex with their partner to make them happy, then it is both their faults.”
So it would be your Mother’s fault as well for having sex outside of getting pregnant.
And no, it isn’t because he was afraid to speak up or make his wife happy, but because he wants to be a dick. (I was kind of thinking of a scene in “Looking for Alibrandi”-Nice book. Nice movie too. All about pre-marital sex and Italians)
(Okay, I’m bringing your Mum up a lot. It is getting tiresome. But I want you to see a non-virgin who is also someone you love and care about, you don’t seem to have many of those in your life (so far as I’ve seen). I want you to understand what it’s like to have someone you love and care about getting abused like that, and how your own beliefs are stabbing them in the back instead of helping them)
“Is that a problem that she thinks that way? She’s just interested in it for other reasons.”
No, it’s not wrong to have sex only for that reason. Saying that’s only why other people should have sex, knocking people who do it for pleasure, that’s what the issue is.
“Of course, it would count just as horrible for both. No one willingly eats shit unless they have the fetish for it, so it would bad for both, if not a little worse for the muslin.”
So (hopefully) you can see it would be bad both for a virgin and a non-virgin, whether the non-virgin had sex for fun or babies or whatever. Either way, they both have to put up with piece of shit rapists.
“Well, I will never understand that. I can just do my best to keep trying to help and stop people from having the make that choice.”
That would be an ideal course of action.
“Exactly, they have nothing to complain about.”
Okay.
“Again, everything has a risk. However, if we did not take those risks life would be boring, but they can still be our fault. It just depends on how big that risk is and how conscious the decision. “
Exactly. It’s just I don’t think contraceptives with sex causes a big risk of getting pregnant. They’re there to decrease the chance quite a bit, after all. Otherwise what’s the point of them?
“I support equality. You and the pro-chociers have the right to your opinion, but not to call people who dare support women taking responsibly and not be hypocrites ‘anti-women’ or ‘anti-feminist’.”
Most pro-choicers are Baptist folks who live on the Southern side of the US or uptight Catholic folk, who do think women should be stuck in the kitchen. Not saying you are, they’re just defending themselves from those people.
“I’m just going on what I’ve seen.”
As am I.
“Yeah, but the pro-choicers will just spit the same ‘misogyny!’, ‘religious nut’, ‘it’s “my” body’ (even though you shared it with another/share it with the new life, and that new life has a body of it’s own, and you were a foetus once), while turning around saying men have no right to say anything because they don’t have a womb, and don’t have to ‘work as hard’ (do they forge the kind of shit pregnant women can put their partners through?).”
I was talking about a debating forum that I’ve been to since 10 years ago. Don’t go as much there anymore but it’s a good place as any to argue about ethics. More appropriate than DA anyway.
“As for the relationships, of course (I could not think of a response last few sentences other than that I agree).”
Okay.
“I’m not sure. I just know she only sex to get pregnant.”
She’s not interested in sex outside of that? Hmmmm. Like Mother like Daughter it seems.
Wonder how you’d feel if your Mother was different when it came to sex. Also wonder what your Dad was like. (Sorry too curious)
“Well, ok then, you are comfortable with that. My OCD/paranoia simply says otherwise. Well, I can drink from something my mum has drank being, being that we are so closely related.”
And there you have it.
“And it’s not like we are the only species who enjoy/require mental stimulation/activities that make us feel happy. In an ideal world, we would all be happy with the simple things in life.”
This is true.
“The woman being in charge of that situation would be understandable as the man does not care. It still does not stop it from being selfish and callous.”
Callous? It’s not like she hurt anyone.
“No, I’m just uncomfortable with sex in general, especially the whole ‘something being inside me’ thing, but not because I’ll see myself as submissive, but as I just don’t like the idea of the whole thing in general.”
Isn’t that more of a mental thing though? It might happen to you, but you might forget (knock to the head, lots of booze, hypnosis, whatever). It’s like I hate the idea of eating a sausage (the meat ones only tofu ones are fine) because of how they feel to me. They make me barf. But if I somehow stuffed one down even though I might gag but I’ll move on. I could focus on the fact I basically ate a blob of fat (which stays in the body, it doesn’t go out the other end. It goes straight to your thighs) but there’s more important things I can focus on and it’s something I can get over.
“*Sigh* Homosexuality is not a choice. That person is a twat. And again, they scream at people for daring to have a negative opinion on their choices so why can’t I have a negative opinion on them?”
Because it’s no more a choice than homosexuality is. (And yeah she is a twat. Sometimes I just want to bitchslap her so hard)
“Yeah, but surely they can have friends?”
They do, but they go out into the city at both day and night on their own for various reasons and nothing happens to them. I’ve worked night-shift heaps of times until 1.00am and have gone out shopping as late as 12.00 at night. Nothing happens. There are rapists out there, but they’re not lurking around every corner as soon as the sun sets. That’s why we have things like cops; to make streets safe.
“Again, I refer to the videos above, and again say while it is the criminal’s fault for the crime, she increased the chances of it happening</>. He is not wearing clothing meant to show his body sexually.”
Neither is a boob-tube or mini-skirt sexual. I’ve known girls to go to work in these, so what, should they be expecting to get raped in their office?
You know who rapists focus on attacking? It ain’t the skimpily dressed. It’s women who walk around looking insecure like they won’t put up a fight and would do as they’re told when he waves a knife in her face.
“The clue is in the word ‘extremists’. And they are not ‘Islamic’ just as extreme ‘Christians’ are not Christians, because just everyone else, religion can evolve.”
This is also true.
“I’ve explained the difference above.”
And you still look strict to me. You think a woman who has sex for pleasure has no right to complain about rape= women aren’t allowed to have any fun. It’s basically like saying if you play with video game X expect to have the console’s wire wrapped around your neck and don’t complain when you do.
“I have the fact that they would be taking and destroying my body, and most likely traumatizing me in the process. I know that, no matter how strong my mind, is I would react to such a thing like any other victim. And again, I’ve never had sex.”
This is what a non-virgin would go through when she is raped, I hope you realise. So she does have something to lose.
“ That is called virginity, it is not a ‘social construct’ just because women don’t like it,.as there is a difference between the bodies/minds of sexually active and non-sexually active beings, especially heterosexual women”
Things are only as valuable as the current possessor judges it to be. I could have a lump of gold in my hand but if I deem it rubbish that is what it will be and I can throw it away in the garbage. A boring rock can be a prized possession. I have considered virginity and see it has no real value. To top it off if it means I’m going to be treated better than poor non-virgin women who get raped I sure don’t want it.
“I’m not interested in sex. End of.”
And neither are non-virgins when it comes to rapists. End of.
“Oh yes, because having an opinion someone’s choice is the same as having an opinon on someone who committed disgusting crimes. “
Yeah you’re right. You’re no Hitler. You haven’t gone and killed anyone, that’s true.
You just say people who’ve gone through a disgusting act don’t suffer.
“At least homosexual intercourse is not as selfish as heterosexual intercourse, as much as it is still a choice. Plus, the partners are more equal, as they are the same gender.”
All animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others. Right. (A cookie if you get that reference)
“That is your opinion, just as I have mine. I am not damaging anyone by having it.”
But you are, or at least might.
Like, imagine when you got bashed/ had your inhaler stolen. What if some lass came along and told you that you are a hypocrite for a complaining about getting bashed, that you have no right to? How would that make you feel?
“Ah, now there is sarcasm I can see.”
Actually that wasn’t meant to be sarcasm.
“ I wasn’t trying to get sympathy. I’m not some fragile waif. I was just pointing out a similar situation.”
Too late you got some sympathy. I can’t help it. You must have been scared, or at least upset and hurt. It’s no wonder you would have lashed out later on.
“I got over it (though my anxiety probably stems from it). I’m not going to hate them for having lives so meaningless they felt the need to pick on someone who never did anything to deserve it.”
For all you know they might have had their own issues. Maybe their Dad beat them or something. I’m glad you got through it though.
“But I’m not attacking anyone, only giving back the attitude they have. Why should be nice to those who do not do the same? I’m not a doormat.”
They see you as being the first one to not be nice. You said something that wasn’t nice; non-virgins can’t be raped. Why should they be nice to you? The cycle goes on.
“No (even in bars I tend to leave before the drunken idiots start yelling and arguing) but they still proclaim about how ‘liberated’ and ‘independent’ (HA!) they are.”
This isn’t a knock on people who are asexual/ choose not to have sex. They’re proclaiming it because they’re against people or anyone telling them what to do with their own bodies. It might be annoying but they’re not saying they’re better than you. Don’t you think it’s liberating to do what you want with your own body? Wouldn’t you hate it if someone came along and said “you’re not allowed to do X with your body because you have to be this or that” or whatever bull. You might not value sex being asexual, but you wouldn’t like it if someone said if you decide to have sex with your BF they’ll beat you, would you?
“Well, there’s people to take abstinence, for one.”
Sorry I don’t know which paragraph this was in reference to
Ok. But the people on that side rarely get laughed at, taunted and insulted.
No, he was being sarcastic, implying that a husband could not possible rape his partner. I wish I had remembered to show him the cases of girls as young as eight being forced into marriage, raped, and dying from it/a pregnancy.
Well, I don’t really intact with strangers well, thanks to my anxiety, but that does not stop what I just about see, or clearly hear.
Well, I’ve handled 4chan and tumblr. This is just…sad. I feel bad about feeling that way though.
Sorry. And I’m saying it’s still hypocritical.
I am not ‘special’. Besides, while I know you did not mean it that way and did not know, I’ll just say that calling someone ‘special’ over here who has mental conditions is thought of as just as offensive as ‘spastic’ and ‘retard’.
I simply respect myself/am just not interested, as like most asexuals, the thought of sex, as much as it is natural, repulsive.
No, because she did not just throw herself away. Yes, she is sexual, because sex is sex, but she did not waste her consent.
Yeah. And god forbid he masturbates to it. Apparently, that’s cheating, and yet that woman, no, girl (I say this because most of the tumblr crowd are such brats) can fill her tumblr and DA with yaoi and get off on it (and masturbate to it) and that’s fine. Unsurprizingly, that attitude came from the Social Justice Sally blog.
Oh, of course
. However, there is different emotions in friendship and romance.
Yeah, I suppose it would feel rather….liberating, too. I may be all for marriage, but I can understand where people with that opinion are coming from. They just see it as a piece of paper.
Well, it was EDiots that said these things, and I should have not known better. However, I always can’t help my temper, and just can’t take anyone insulting him, especially when it comes to his personality, just because it (mostly) does not fit in the still enforced masculinity of men. He himself could not care less what others think of him.
There is nothing wrong with that, once again. It is just that arrogant attitude of how ‘feminist’ and ‘liberated’ she is (when she’s not), and that no one can expressive negativity against her sleeping around or they are a misogynistic, patriarchal, oppressive, ‘double standard’ supporting pig. If they don’t have that attitude and understand the kinds of consequences/opinon sleeping around can foster, then fine.
I know this will sound so very cheesy, but everyone is free to whatever they want, provided they are arrogant about it or it can be damaging or committing a crime.
Once more, I’m not a non-virgin. I’ve never had a guy’s penis inside me, touching me, and then suddenly had an issue with it being elsewhere.
They show off cleavage/one’s butt in a sexual manner? And the woman wearing it has a cheek to complain when someone dares look at the flesh she has so blatantly chosen to display? Someone like bikinis/swimming costumes, for example, unless it’s basically a thong and just about covers the areola (as in, the ones that have a serious case of underboob), is not inherently sexual. Not forgetting that men show almost as much skin in trunks, or even more in speedos or that cringe-inducing man-kini. However, if he’s not buff, wearing a speedo is considered ‘gross’.
I…take it you did not like my response? Sorry.
If she ever did, yes. Much as I said to say about the person I love so much, it would be true.
Yeah, it’s a bit uncomfortable to say about her in that manner, I admit.
Again it’s the attitude and the utter, complete, and unjustifiable selfishness than can come with having sex for pleasure, in regards to pregnancy.
I just said, no one wants to eat shit. A sexual woman wants sex, even if she is not attracted a particular person.
Yeah, as it’s not only them having to put themselves out like that, but also the kinds of things that can happen to them.
I know that, but it is still disgustingly, inhumanly selfish to try and deny the natural result if it does happen. They still, fully consciously, decided to risk it.
And those are the bad kind. I mean, as I believe everyone should be free to their religions (even Protestants), I don’t think there is anyone problem with someone believing in the religious sanity of life. However, it is when, like those southerners, they take it too far, that is the problem. Those fundamentalists make as all look bad. However, they can’t be bad as the WBC…right?
I am always afraid to mention I am a Roman Catholic, as whenever I do, people instantly believe, and cannot/will not be swayed otherwise, that my views stem from religious brainwashing.
And we’ve seen different things, and formed different views because of it. Simple.
Well, if you can give me the address, I’ll check it out.
Well, I have ended up with a lot in common with her. Then again, she was the only one there. However, she always let me formulate my own views. We even discussed that the previous week, actually. The government representatives said that SNP supports were ‘forcing’ their children to support the party. I was watching the program as well, and she just comes waltzing up the stairs and goes, “Yes, I made support them. I said ‘if you don’t support the SNP and vote for them, I’ll shelp you’.” I just laughed. She always give me the information to make my own views, usually in the manner of ‘here’s a book on it’, and woud always answer in person if ever I asked, but still me let my formulate my owns views. Even when I started learning about reproduction at six (I think I mentioned this before), years later she told me of how appalled and disgusted the other parents at me being giving such a book. It was a book specifically made to explain it to young children who ask ‘where babies come from’ (it’s even called “Where Did I Come From?”), as :gasp: it had nude pictures, that was ‘obscene’ and I ‘would not understand’. Oh no, she was supposed to give me the stork story, like a ‘good’ parent.
Frankly, when I was eleven, I was suprized how little my classmates knew about how they worked down there. Well, I do agree with the thought that five-year-olds should have to learn about love and sex, but we should still give them bits at time throughout childhood, as it will help them make better decisions.
Sorry about blathering on again. BTW, ‘scelp’ is simply Scottish slang for getting smacked/spanked.
So, it was family for you then?
She took away the new life. She hurt them.
I don’t think it will. Yes, I’m not one of those people who thinks ‘it’ll never happen to me’ (by that I mean rape), but I know I won’t ever want to have sex, just as you don’t like sausages.
A bump on the head would be nothing anyway. I received one of them almost every time I get out of the my old bed too fast was never worse for wear apart from the usual lump, and I never get drunk. As for hypnosis, that is…a fucking terrifying thought. And that would still be rape, would it not?
That is true, but we can still control ourselves. That is opinion I will truly never understand – homophobia.
I know, I know, but again, I’m just paranoid. I don’t think I’m some poor little victim, but think about, I’m some skinny, tiny, specky (an insult for someone who wears glasses) woman who has to completely rely on her cane to navigate at night. I would still fight back of course, but as I said before, it’s always get to have backup.
And what kind of work would that be allowed in, as the ones I can come up is stripper, prostitute, or porn star. What kind of ‘professional’ woman lets everything hang out like that, or allowed to let everything hang out like that?
Exactly, and a scantily clad woman making sexual body language could be seen as that.
Again, because she is a sexual being. That does not mean she can’t go out and drink and party and whatnot. People just need to be aware, male or female, and not take things like booze too far, as sadly, the world can really be a piece of shit sometimes. That’s one of the reason we have fun, to forget troubles.
But she is still being a hypocrite, no matter how much it would obviously the same. Only her mind can be damaged (yes, I do know that mental harm can be far worse than psychical harm).
And people are entitled to value what they value, simple.
She is interested in sex. Full stop.
And I never would, even if someone was attacking me, I know I could not bring myself to kill them, as cowardly and sexistly-feminine as that is. Even if it was manslaughter, I know I would still blame myself.
They did suffer, just not as much as the victim who has never been through a similar act.
Again, it’s the while ‘opposite genders’ thing. Heterosexual men and women will never be equal in that area as we are born with the organs/gender we have. Others areas are not so…primal. Hm…”Animal Farm”? I do like it when people slip in references in conversations
. My secondary school was one of the few that did not have that as part of their first/second year. My class did not even do the usual “Lord of the Flies” for Standard Grade/Higher either (we had “Shakespeare” and “Sherlock Holmes” instead, to my delight). However, the former two novels are the kind that pretty much everyone knows about.
Well, I would be pissed of course. But I never asked anyone to hit me or take my inhaler.
Oh, ok. Thanks, I guess Sorry if I sounded rude.
I was upset, but the depression and hurt cleared up after I left school. My mum noticed that quicker than I did. I may not have gotten into college, but I now have control over my life, and a job…well others might not consider it a job, but I consider my creative/original writing (as in, my original story and not fanfiction, that’s just a hobby/practice) as my job. Most of the hours of my day are assigned to it, and as my own boss if I’m not getting any work done or drawing a blank, I, um, scold myself, and if I get distracted, I…um, scold myself as well. I don’t think I could ever fire me though. However, I bet if my mum put that on my forms, that would, for some reason, mean I’m ok to work outside, in a job I can’t do.
That’s kind of what I meant, though, I should have worded it better. However, their beating on someone else who is innocent, no matter the issue makes them just as bad, though that does not mean they do not deserve sympathy and comfort, and attempts to help them. Their issues are as bad as/far worse than mine.
Well, exactly. But that does not mean I am incapable of kindness or sympathy, as I’ve shown. I also maintain the simple things of politeness (holding the door for the person behind me, giving up my seat for some with a buggy or if they are elderly, etc), as other normal/non-arsehole people do. And I don’t scream sexism when someone, even if male, holds a door open for me
. I also refuse when people insist I take their seat. How does my eyesight affect my legs, exactly? I’m not going to use my disability to take advantage of people.
But we are not ‘telling people what to do with their bodies’ only expression our opinion/concerns about the choice, just as you express concern about my opinions. I would just know I made that choice and accept that, like everyone else in the world, I will be criticized. I’m used that thinking that anyway.
The one regarding virginity. Some people who make an abstinence pledge claim that anal or oral sex is ‘technically’ maintaining their virginity.
Well, despite my age, I still get told off for swearing. She tells off Tam too, but he still does it as well.
“Ok. But the people on that side rarely get laughed at, taunted and insulted.”
In my little world they were. But that is my limited experience. It may be different elsewhere. Were you/ someone you know taunted/ insulted for it? Is that why you’re so defensive about it?
“No, he was being sarcastic, implying that a husband could not possible rape his partner. I wish I had remembered to show him the cases of girls as young as eight being forced into marriage, raped, and dying from it/a pregnancy. “
This guy sounds rather ignorant then.
“Well, I don’t really intact with strangers well, thanks to my anxiety, but that does not stop what I just about see, or clearly hear.”
That’s no good. I can’t imagine social anxiety being much fun and once again I feel bad for you. Have you ever considered professional help regarding you’re anxiety? It’s better than doing nothing at all about it. Or maybe you already sought out help?
“Well, I’ve handled 4chan and tumblr. This is just…sad. I feel bad about feeling that way though.”
You’re telling me.
“Sorry. And I’m saying it’s still hypocritical.”
And I’m still saying it’s not.
“I am not ‘special’. Besides, while I know you did not mean it that way and did not know, I’ll just say that calling someone ‘special’ over here who has mental conditions is thought of as just as offensive as ‘spastic’ and ‘retard’.”
I did not mean it like that. I meant it in the same way you see non-virgins. You don’t think you’re special and neither do they. They’re simply entitled to refuse sex. Simple as.
“I simply respect myself/am just not interested, as like most asexuals, the thought of sex, as much as it is natural, repulsive.”
And there’s nothing wrong with that. It is wrong however to think someone is entitled to sex. Well people can do what they like with their own bodies, or if someone consents (for the 15 or so minutes of the act). Outside of that, they get nothing, they have no right to. I don’t care how bad their blue balls/ bean is, they can keep their mitts to themselves; otherwise what they are doing is flat out wrong.
“No, because she did not just throw herself away. Yes, she is sexual, because sex is sex, but she did not waste her consent.”
And where is this magical force that causes women to be forever sexual beings who always say yes that your mother didn’t get? I’m sure I could gain a profit from it that whoever made Viagra (either woman’s or men’s) would scream blue murder. What magical force did your mother get to stop her from being any sort of sexual being forever more? Please tell me, I’m sure a lot of self-loathing Catholics want to know.
“Yeah. And god forbid he masturbates to it. Apparently, that’s cheating, and yet that woman, no, girl (I say this because most of the tumblr crowd are such brats) can fill her tumblr and DA with yaoi and get off on it (and masturbate to it) and that’s fine. Unsurprizingly, that attitude came from the Social Justice Sally blog.”
SJW’s are SJW’s I just ignore them.
“Oh, of course
. However, there is different emotions in friendship and romance.”
There is.
“Yeah, I suppose it would feel rather….liberating, too. I may be all for marriage, but I can understand where people with that opinion are coming from. They just see it as a piece of paper.”
Some people do some people don’t. Everyone is different and relationships everywhere is different.
“Well, it was EDiots that said these things, and I should have not known better. However, I always can’t help my temper, and just can’t take anyone insulting him, especially when it comes to his personality, just because it (mostly) does not fit in the still enforced masculinity of men. He himself could not care less what others think of him.”
I suppose I would feel the same if I had a romantic relationship with someone. But ATM I don’t. All I can say is take a chill pill.
“There is nothing wrong with that, once again. It is just that arrogant attitude of how ‘feminist’ and ‘liberated’ she is (when she’s not), and that no one can expressive
negativity against her sleeping around or they are a misogynistic, patriarchal, oppressive, ‘double standard’ supporting pig. If they don’t have that attitude and understand the kinds of consequences/opinon sleeping around can foster, then fine.”
Look at it from another’s point of view; for ages she’s been around men who’ve bashed her (either verbally or physically) for showing any sort of libido which men are always free to enjoy. Suddenly she goes out into the world and she’s free of said men and free to do what she wants. She turns back to the men who made her life miserable. Could you blame her for saying “Haha I’m free stuff you. You males you were simply bad people.”? She needs to learn not all men are like that, and she may have to learn to restrain herself, but considering where she most likely came from, I couldn’t really blame her.
“I know this will sound so very cheesy, but everyone is free to whatever they want, provided they are arrogant about it or it can be damaging or committing a crime.”
This is, in a way the same morality I am trying to get at.
“Once more, I’m not a non-virgin. I’ve never had a guy’s penis inside me, touching me, and then suddenly had an issue with it being elsewhere.”
But you would have an issue with it if it happens to you? What makes you think you wouldn’t if you weren’t a virgin?
“They show off cleavage/one’s butt in a sexual manner? And the woman wearing it has a cheek to complain when someone dares look at the flesh she has so blatantly chosen to display? Someone like bikinis/swimming costumes, for example, unless it’s basically a thong and just about covers the areola (as in, the ones that have a serious case of underboob), is not inherently sexual..”
Fun fact though; as an exercise today, I counted how many girls I passed by who wore a tank-top/ boob-tube. I got up to 19, not including myself.
But it’s not that sexual at all. And yeah, if some guy got real close to me and started saying he’s do something lewd I’d smack him across the face (or at least try to). Because it’s not there for sexual reasons. I wear it because it was a warm day or I want to look good, which is not meaning I want sex.
“Not forgetting that men show almost as much skin in trunks, or even more in speedos or that cringe-inducing man-kini. However, if he’s not buff, wearing a speedo is considered ‘gross’”
If I find it gross I tend to keep my opinions to myself unless they ask, but it’s usually not the case for guys who simply aren’t buff or what-not.
“I…take it you did not like my response? Sorry.”
I waited to group it all in one post.
“If she ever did, yes. Much as I said to say about the person I love so much, it would be true.”
So even if you love someone you’d still rather be against them and hold your strange ideals? What’s the point of the ideals then? What value do you get by keeping them? Aside from your Mother’s approval? All you’re doing is ticking a lot of people off. And for what? So you can feel secure? One day you’re going to come across a non-virgin who has suffered so much and I hope to hell you’ll feel bad for them and realise what you’ve said.
“Yeah, it’s a bit uncomfortable to say about her in that manner, I admit.”
It’s disturbing to think in the manner you do.
“Again it’s the attitude and the utter, complete, and unjustifiable selfishness than can come with having sex for pleasure, in regards to pregnancy.”
In regards to abortion, perhaps (though that’s another can of worms I disagree with). But outside of that?
“I just said, no one wants to eat shit. A sexual woman wants sex, even if she is not attracted a particular person.”
Ummmm, no. Flat out no. If she is not attracted to a person, how in the world can she want sex? Where did you get this idea from? You just woke up one day and thought this? For your information, when it comes to a rapist, they are about as desirable as a piece of shit. No-one wants it, and it’s horrible to force them into it, and it’s horrible to tolerate it. Having sexual activity once doesn’t mean you’ve forever accepting of anymore sex. Why do you think this? Everybody’s telling you otherwise, and you refuse to listen. Why?
“Yeah, as it’s not only them having to put themselves out like that, but also the kinds of things that can happen to them.”
Yes, it’s horrible, and horrible things can happen to them. People treat prostitutes, (whether they are in fact one or someone’s simply perceiving them as one), quite horribly. It shouldn’t be tolerated. There’s also the poor people getting forced into it, and it’s just plain old evil.
“I know that, but it is still disgustingly, inhumanly selfish to try and deny the natural result if it does happen. They still, fully consciously, decided to risk it.”
A person putting a baby in a car is fully consciously taking a risk of them getting into an accident. Is that immoral?
“And those are the bad kind. I mean, as I believe everyone should be free to their religions (even Protestants), I don’t think there is anyone problem with someone believing in the religious sanity of life. However, it is when, like those southerners, they take it too far, that is the problem. Those fundamentalists make as all look bad. However, they can’t be bad as the WBC…right?”
Not all of them are like that, no. Things aren’t black and white with religion or anything else. Everyone is in some sort of shade of grey.
“I am always afraid to mention I am a Roman Catholic, as whenever I do, people instantly believe, and cannot/will not be swayed otherwise, that my views stem from religious brainwashing. “
It usually is the cause from what they’ve seen so far. Even in my case that was the reasoning why. But even if it is 99% the case, they should consider that there is a 1% case where the person is different.
“And we’ve seen different things, and formed different views because of it. Simple.”
I would like to know though what things you have seen to form such an opinion. I was hoping there was some sort of reasoning behind it besides getting upset over SJW’s on the internet and simply being a pro-lifer. (There are heaps of pro-lifers but even they don’t blame non-virgins for the rape if it happens to them).
Well, if you can give me the address, I’ll check it out.
debatingchristianity.com/forum…
Or more specifically;
debatingchristianity.com/forum…
If you dislike having being placed under some religious label there are labels you can choose eg. “atheist” “agnostic” “not sure ATM” and so-on.
“Well, I have ended up with a lot in common with her. Then again, she was the only one there. However, she always let me formulate my own views. We even discussed that the previous week, actually. The government representatives said that SNP supports were ‘forcing’ their children to support the party. I was watching the program as well, and she just comes waltzing up the stairs and goes, “Yes, I made support them. I said ‘if you don’t support the SNP and vote for them, I’ll shelp you’.” I just laughed. She always give me the information to make my own views, usually in the manner of ‘here’s a book on it’, and woud always answer in person if ever I asked, but still me let my formulate my owns views. Even when I started learning about reproduction at six (I think I mentioned this before), years later she told me of how appalled and disgusted the other parents at me being giving such a book. It was a book specifically made to explain it to young children who ask ‘where babies come from’ (it’s even called “Where Did I Come From?”), as :gasp: it had nude pictures, that was ‘obscene’ and I ‘would not understand’. Oh no, she was supposed to give me the stork story, like a ‘good’ parent.
Frankly, when I was eleven, I was suprized how little my classmates knew about how they worked down there. Well, I do agree with the thought that five-year-olds should have to learn about love and sex, but we should still give them bits at time throughout childhood, as it will help them make better decisions.”
It doesn’t matter if you learnt it at age six or eleven or what. When you learn something as a kid, you keep on learning as a kid, and even in adulthood, you keep on learning new things, especially about sex. It’s like, okay a kid might be better than other kids in second grade, he’s as good as a sixth-grader. But if he can’t just stay on the level of the sixth grader, he’s supposed to go up. He can’t stay at the level of a sixth-grader when he’s in grade 8.
I had a conversation with my shrink about this actually. She was telling me how before I had formed ideas as a kid and stuck to them, despite when being an adult you need to form new ideas as you age. I think this might be the case with you. You formed your opinions of sex at eleven and stayed on the level of an eleven year old in regards to sex. (Not meaning to be offensive, like I said it’s something that was similar to what I had been through).
“Sorry about blathering on again. BTW, ‘scelp’ is simply Scottish slang for getting smacked/spanked.”
That’s a new one for me, which is odd with me coming from a Scottish family.
“So, it was family for you then?”
I was thinking of a case where I was having a coughing fit. A nice girl from my class offered a bottle of water which she had been drinking form. I needed a wet throat, she was kind enough to offer the drink. Why complain?
“She took away the new life. She hurt them.”
Except when she never got pregnant in the first place.
“I don’t think it will. Yes, I’m not one of those people who thinks ‘it’ll never happen to me’ (by that I mean rape), but I know I won’t ever want to have sex, just as you don’t like sausages. “
Yeah but even if I don’t like sausages I’m not going to go around and tell everyone what to eat or say they deserve say a heart attack just for eating a weiner.
“A bump on the head would be nothing anyway. I received one of them almost every time I get out of the my old bed too fast was never worse for wear apart from the usual lump, and I never get drunk. As for hypnosis, that is…a fucking terrifying thought. And that would still be rape, would it not?”
If a person was forcing a person into hypnosis or using hypnosis top force themselves, then yes, that would be rape and very immoral. Some people though voluntarily go to a therapist who might offer hypnosis and they agree to it. Some people want to forget. Especially when it comes to rape, if a person wants to use hypnosis to forget about that, I’m all for it.
“That is true, but we can still control ourselves. That is opinion I will truly never understand – homophobia.”
People can control themselves, that is true, just as much as a person can restrain themselves from eating something nice. But to say they should never have sex is going a bit far, just as it is to say they should never eat that nice thing again.
“I know, I know, but again, I’m just paranoid. I don’t think I’m some poor little victim, but think about, I’m some skinny, tiny, specky (an insult for someone who wears glasses) woman who has to completely rely on her cane to navigate at night. I would still fight back of course, but as I said before, it’s always get to have backup.”
I’ve seen blind people go out and about on their own (with the aid of a seeing eye dog. Why don’t you get one of those?). I don’t know how they handle it though. My sister is the same build as you and I’ve lost track of how often she goes into the main city both day and night.
But if it’s paranoia or anxiety again I’d try and get therapy for that. And NO I don’t mean get stuck in an asylum with the cliché straight-jacket. I mean talk to a professional and have them look through your problems and try to get help working yourself through them.
“And what kind of work would that be allowed in, as the ones I can come up is stripper, prostitute, or porn star. What kind of ‘professional’ woman lets everything hang out like that, or allowed to let everything hang out like that?”
I was able to work in a tank-top (the warehouses I worked in were like ovens). Girls wore mini-skirts to the office because they wanted to look good. Again, I saw like 19 women wear tank-tops/ boob-tubes just walking around town. It’s not something for strippers or prostitutes or anything it’s simply fashion and people wanting to look good (and it’s hot here. As a Scot I’m afraid you might not understand being in a snowy place until you’ve been here. But it’s hot. Real hot).
That’s another thing though; you get women in Africa or whatever and they run around topless. This is the social norm for them. You going to say they’re asking to get raped for following their social norm?
“Exactly, and a scantily clad woman making sexual body language could be seen as that. “
More like an insecure girl trying to be unrape-able by running around all shy and in a turtleneck as if she has a sign saying “please don’t rape me”.
“Again, because she is a sexual being. That does not mean she can’t go out and drink and party and whatnot. People just need to be aware, male or female, and not take things like booze too far, as sadly, the world can really be a piece of shit sometimes. That’s one of the reason we have fun, to forget troubles.”
And we need to have fun at least sometime in our lives. Life would be shit without it.
“But she is still being a hypocrite, no matter how much it would obviously the same. Only her mind can be damaged (yes, I do know that mental harm can be far worse than psychical harm). “
Her body gets damaged too. Have you even heard of what happens to rape victims? Here’s some articles;
www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Ca…
And welcome back from your cave on mars if you haven’t heard of these. And this is just off the top of my head.
Would they be hypocrites if they complained about what they went through?
“And people are entitled to value what they value, simple.”
Exactly
“She is interested in sex. Full stop.”
No she is not. Full stop.
“And I never would, even if someone was attacking me, I know I could not bring myself to kill them, as cowardly and sexistly-feminine as that is. Even if it was manslaughter, I know I would still blame myself.”
At least you’re not killing anyone, which is a good moral.
“They did suffer, just not as much as the victim who has never been through a similar act.”
You know, it’d be getting pedantic trying to argue who suffered more than thou. That’s what emos do. You at least acknowledge that they do indeed suffer, which at least is progress for you.
“Again, it’s the while ‘opposite genders’ thing. Heterosexual men and women will never be equal in that area as we are born with the organs/gender we have.”
Doesn’t mean anyone has to be dominant or submissive. Then there’s chicks who jill off. Who are they being submissive to?
“Others areas are not so…primal. Hm…”Animal Farm”? I do like it when people slip in references in conversations
. My secondary school was one of the few that did not have that as part of their first/second year. My class did not even do the usual “Lord of the Flies” for Standard Grade/Higher either (we had “Shakespeare” and “Sherlock Holmes” instead, to my delight). However, the former two novels are the kind that pretty much everyone knows about.”
Congratulations;
www.chicagonow.com/fitness-at-…
“Well, I would be pissed of course. But I never asked anyone to hit me or take my inhaler.”
And a rape victim, whether a virgin or not, never asked anyone to do what he or she did to her. So people would understandably be just as pissed off at you.
“Oh, ok. Thanks, I guess Sorry if I sounded rude.”
Simple misunderstanding
“I was upset, but the depression and hurt cleared up after I left school. My mum noticed that quicker than I did. I may not have gotten into college, but I now have control over my life, and a job…well others might not consider it a job, but I consider my creative/original writing (as in, my original story and not fanfiction, that’s just a hobby/practice) as my job. Most of the hours of my day are assigned to it, and as my own boss if I’m not getting any work done or drawing a blank, I, um, scold myself, and if I get distracted, I…um, scold myself as well. I don’t think I could ever fire me though. However, I bet if my mum put that on my forms, that would, for some reason, mean I’m ok to work outside, in a job I can’t do.”
Well if you’re getting better that’s good. I still think you need to get out more.
“That’s kind of what I meant, though, I should have worded it better. However, their beating on someone else who is innocent, no matter the issue makes them just as bad, though that does not mean they do not deserve sympathy and comfort, and attempts to help them. Their issues are as bad as/far worse than mine.”
Oh okay.
“Well, exactly. But that does not mean I am incapable of kindness or sympathy, as I’ve shown. I also maintain the simple things of politeness (holding the door for the person behind me, giving up my seat for some with a buggy or if they are elderly, etc), as other normal/non-arsehole people do. And I don’t scream sexism when someone, even if male, holds a door open for me
. I also refuse when people insist I take their seat. How does my eyesight affect my legs, exactly? I’m not going to use my disability to take advantage of people.”
You’re supposed to be nice to everybody though.
“But we are not ‘telling people what to do with their bodies’ only expression our opinion/concerns about the choice, just as you express concern about my opinions. I would just know I made that choice and accept that, like everyone else in the world, I will be criticized. I’m used that thinking that anyway.”
And like I said opinions can piss people off, just like you’d be pissed off if someone told you off after you were bashed/ had your inhaler stolen.
“The one regarding virginity. Some people who make an abstinence pledge claim that anal or oral sex is ‘technically’ maintaining their virginity. “
While anal sex may be a bit more dubious, no-one I met considered oral sex to mean a loss of virginity.
“Well, despite my age, I still get told off for swearing. She tells off Tam too, but he still does it as well.”
While I have been raised to not swear in front of my elders (though I’ve seen them swear too), in my country swearing like a sailor is the cultural norm.
“Ok, first off, the whole ‘women are weaker than man physically’ is a poor never-sound excuse (and adds to the “men can’t be raped” ‘argument’).”
In general, women are smaller than men (just on average). This doesn’t mean everyone’s ignoring it when the odd muscle-bound woman who works out raping or bashing the odd guy who’s physically weaker because he doesn’t bother with toning his muscles (not that that’s a bad thing; people have other things to do than worrying about their bodies). It’s also not ignoring a woman or man who could rape or hurt someone using manipulation or through other tactics. It’s just a generalisation. I could say in people over 70 are weaker but this doesn’t mean I’m not aware of old people who aren’t weak and can do horrible things.
“ Secondly, cat-calling/wolf-whistling when that woman is a non-virgin. It is words and noises, and men have a right to their sexuality, to find someone attractive. It is ‘rape’ or ‘harassment’. “
Everyone has their limits, like I said before. Hardly anyone does the cat-calling or wolf whistling except to the odd person who is obviously disturbed by it just to piss them off. My sister for example finds certain swear words offensive. I try not to say them not because she’s against free speech but simply to be courteous. The guys or girls doing that shouldn’t be rude and leave the other person alone.
“Thirdly, unless a person is having that alcohol forced down their throat, they chose to drink it, to put themselves in that position.”
I’d like to give a couple of analogies.
Situation 1: Okay, there’s a woman, called Jane, going to the hospital and her doctor is doctor prick. Jane has to be put under anesthetic if she wants her body fixed so she agrees. She CHOSE to do what doctor prick says and take the anesthetic because she trusts him. Unknown to her doctor prick is an evil pervert and he knocks her out enough that she has trouble doing simple things like lifting her arms and her focus isn’t so great. Doctor prick chooses this moment to rape her. In this case the doctor is evil and the woman is not at fault.
Situation 2: Jane goes under, operation or whatever done, doctor prick didn’t do a thing to her, Jane wakes up but she’s still a bit drugged, but not overly so. She wanders around a bit and starts giggling and coming on to doctor prick. The doctor does his best to resist Jane but he’s tired, he had a long day, his wife’s been a bitch to him, life sucks etc and eventually he gives in to Janes advances on the spot and they screw. Morning after, they both realise what they’ve done. Jane decides to call him a rapist (not that doctor is completely innocent, doctor patient relations and all that but putting that aside).
Two situations one when the doctor is immoral, the other the girl is immoral. And when getting drunk, you can have two different situations. One where you think you’re among friends who you trust but someone takes advantage of you (whether you’re a guy or a girl. Guys get taken advantage of when they get wasted as well, and it’s just as immoral) and you’re really drunk. The other where you’re not all that intoxicated and you’re just a jerk. There are probably even more situations and you just can’t judge off the bat what happened because it’s always different. This is why it needs to be taken to court where lawyers argue and a judge decides based on evidence.
Add to that we put ourselves in vulnerable positions all the time. When we go out for recreation, when we get medical help, when we sleep, when we eat. If we can’t trust our friends when we go out who can you trust?
As a bit of research for once, here’s a website I lazily googled.
www.alrc.gov.au/publications/2…
Scrolling down the laws states:
“25.98 In Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and the Northern Territory, there is no consent where the complainant is so affected by alcohol or other drugs as ‘to be incapable of freely agreeing’ to the sexual activity.[175] In the ACT, the effect of alcohol or other drugs is less qualified; there is no consent if it is caused by ‘the effect of intoxicating liquor, a drug or anaesthetic’.[176] In NSW, there may be no consent where a complainant was ‘substantially intoxicated by alcohol or any drug’.[177] This formulation adopts the view expressed in the report of the Criminal Justice Sexual Offences Taskforce that the degree of intoxication and whether it was such that a person was ‘unable to consent’ are matters for the jury.[178]”
“People say that no matter what the woman did not, a drunken man raped a woman if he had sex with her, whether she was drunk or not, so men are responsible for their actions when drunk, but not women?”
And you get people who disagree with that mindset where the man gets blamed and people in the news getting charged in court for perverting justice. So don’t judge everyone just because a few tumblers got your knickers in a knot.
“Also a man is even more vulnerable in that situation, because, even if she consented, she can call it rape regardless of her status (drunk or sober), and will be one hundred percent believed. Again, another example of the ‘everything is men’s fault’ mentality. “
And when a woman is in the same situation the guy can turn around and say she raped him. This isn’t “it’s always the men’s fault” mentality. This is the person whether women or man being at fault for raping the person when they were incapacitated, like in the first example with the doctor above. You also get the second situation which is immoral and what you’re focusing on ATM but you can’t say people are going to 100% believe her, because once again, news, court…. Etc. No group of people have a 100% belief in one thing in any case. We’re human individuals not a bunch of robot drones.
“I know both generally (I’ve watched documentaries and news reports) and personally of the kinds of destruction a false rape allegation can bring upon a man (a long story, that one).”
I already know that false rape allegation can be damaging. But since you brought it up something that happened to you personally what happened there if you don’t mind me asking? I don’t mind if it’s a long story.
“Yes, there are people who will not care what you do or who you are and still attack, but again, that’s just life.”
Sadly true.
“As for attacking, that is a point, however, it depends on whether one is allowed to carry such weapons, again there would be a double standard – a woman can spray a man for so much as wolf whistling (or, in a recent case case, punch him for making a joke which was not even directed at her, and that is seen as normal, even praised as a ‘feminist’ action, the main contributor in that being Tumblr, of course). However, if a man were to turn around and punch/spray a woman for making advantages on him, he would be called a bastard, an abuser, a misogynist, who does not understand how ‘lucky’ he is.”
No, that isn’t what I’m saying at all. A man has just as much right to defend himself with a spray or whatever just as much as a woman does, as he too could get attacked. The only qualms I have with weapons (whether the yielder is a man or woman) is with guns since they’re flat out lethal and you have psychos who use them to go on shooting sprees. That and king-hits which also kill people. A lot of people are wising up that a girl can be an attacker and there are already enough reports of women being psychos so I think the double standard you’re afraid of is already being phased out.
“BTW, upon the previous comment, sorry about the far more than usual mistakes. I really don’t know what happened there.”
If you want help there try copy-pasting the quotes you are replying to. You can always put them in bold or italics or just use “” like I do.
No. I just have my opinion.
Yup.
I’ve had it as long as I can remember, but I think it intensified after the bullying. I did get help actually, but there was not anyone they can do. They just give you tablet nowadays and ask you really invasive questions. We eventually stopped going as it just was not helping. And even though it was on the NHS, you still had to pay, which, while being little, build up.
I can do the simple things, like ask for a drink, show my ID if necessary, and if someone wants to borrow one of the chairs at the table I smile and say sure, but when it comes to trying to have a conversation, most of the time I’m plagued with thoughts that I’ll be annoying, or I’ll blurt someone stupid/random (though I tend to the latter even when on my own). I also stutter if say, I feel the need to ask someone to look out for a certain bus (as despite it being a massive vehicle, I don’t see it until it’s right there) as I think I’m being a bother even if the person agrees. I mostly go out for the cinema, festivals, and the occasional con, or simply because I wanted to send a day with Matt.
However, there was one good situation a few months back. I was at a festival, and got to talking to this woman and her son, and it was a nice time. I love it when moments such as that happen. Everyone now and then, something like that will happen.
*Nod* It’s one of those things that you pay attention to because of some bile fascination, like 4chan. I know this a bit of a sexist/anti-male virgin joke, but their bedsheets must be like stone.
And that’s your opinon. Mine is just as valid.
I said that in the very paragraph. And they are being hypocrites being doing so. I’m not.
Of course people are entitled to their own bodies, but that does not stop the hypocrisy of women. That extra penis/dildo/vag is not going to make any difference to her status. Sexual women, like all sexual people, are given sexual comments, and people have no right to try and control another’s sexuality by calling their comments/advantages ‘perverted’, ‘harassment’ (HA!) or ‘unwanted’ when she already had a cock/dildo inside her, some other girl’s tongue inside her, etc.
I just said. She only had sex for the purpose of reproduction. She was not throwing herself at men for pleasure, and then acting like a hypocrite. There was very good reason she and my father broke up and even after her she never left me at home or something to go pursue another men.
Huh, Viagra for women. How does that work? Just make her more lubricated/increase lust?
I am not ‘self-loathing’. And they are not Catholic, but, again, extremist arseholes.
Well, they are funny. My views may be extreme, but I know I’m not as bad as that. They go further than I ever could. I fucking hate homophobes, as you know, and would call someone out on that opinion, but I also realize they probably got such a common intolerance from someone else, so I can’t really blame them.
It’s a hard thing to explain for anyone, but when you know, you know. Another funny little thing I found out a few months ago was this. On a 3DS, you can pick a ‘life goal’, and his was to get married and mine was…be a hero (well, I do, sometimes
). I would bet he gets teased for too. Like an idiot, I asked who he would want to marry and he replied, “you, you idiot.” I was never really that observant in that area. Even during the two/one and half years (from fifth year) he was in love them me, in typical romcom fashion, I did not think for a second that it was me, especially because he asked for advise on how to confess (I just said, don’t do anything cheesy or announce it in public), and he claimed the girl was in the year above us (I suppose he was just waiting for the right moment – after prom). I just had to think about it for a while before by mind click and went “Hol, you like him too!”. So cheesy, right? Though it kind of compromises my “men and women can be platonic friends and without having to get together” opinon).
Ah, sorry, I was actually trying to explain what cannot be explained in that very…rant.
Yup. And it’s also interesting to see the different kinds.
It’s just that temper of mine. I’ve honestly never seen him get angry in the entire ten years we’ve know each other. He just laughs things off. He always had to restrain me when I lashed out at me bullies, as I just could not understand that ‘hitting them back makes you just as bad’. I have tried taking deep breaths for a while though, but sometimes you can’t fight that typical Glaswegian rage.
Ok, ok, I see what you mean, I can compare it to me feeling free of my bullies (sorry I keep selfishly comparing situations to my life, but it helps me understand more; that’s not bad, is it?). She is just going to latch on physically to another man (but perhaps not emotionally) so it is still a bit silly. I didn’t go from getting bullied to, say, being a masochist.
Yes, but bragging out it and to trying to shove that activity down everyone’s throats can be damaging, or simply be seen as annoying.
Because I know I would be a hypocrite since I would be perfectly comfortable with it being elsewhere.
Oh, a tank top, fine, but men don’t wear boob-tubes (though midriff tops for men are apparently in style) so why should women? And don’t women have to wear sports bras so the girls don’t bounce and get painful? It’s still as bad in a normal bra. That’s why I don’t get why women’s sports uniforms are always more far revealing then men’s. I was told it was someone to do with them being able to move faster, but I know that’s rubbish.
But it’s not ‘lewd’. Yes, it’s a bit too upfront, but not ‘lewd’ and hitting him is uncalled for. They would not have attacked you. I wouldn’t attack them. I’d just walk away. More effective, I think.
Yeah, and everyone is like that. Even if I saw some old person wonder by in a speedo I would still keep it too myself. And I’m not self-conscious in a bikini either (well, I do worry about getting comments about how skinny I am), as I remember that everyone is dressed like that too, and I’m too busy having fun too
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Ok.
I’m not against her, but I can’t hold her to different ideas just because I love her. That would be hypocritical, surely? However, as I said, she is not really like that as she was married/only did it for two babies. It’s not for her ‘approval’. I have my own opinon because I am my own person and I’m not going to bow down and accept the selfish, sheep-like opinon of the majority, as the majority are being selfish and bratty.
Of course I would feel bad for them. I have emotions. But I still would not think it was as bad a virgin, but I did come across some woman who was sobbing and wailing about what she had just been through, I know I would stop and try to help her, instead of falling to Bystander Syndrome.
Meh.
Well, fine, again, so long as no-one is arrogant about it. Yes, pride is our nature, but just like selfishness, we, as humans, have to set limits.
Because it’s hypocritical. Would anyone say a former thief can complain about being robbed? Someone, say, who pesters another person for a certain thing, and turns around and complains when they are given the same treatment? A racist complain about racism against them? If so, then a non-virgin with her arrogant, oppressive attitude has no right to complain about sexual attention. I did not just ‘wake up and suddenly think it’. It came to through my learning, and realizing the hypocrisy. It’s not like I would act as if I’m an exception. I hold myself to the same standards. That is the simple reasoning.
Yup. If someone is willing do it because they think it makes a good career, then that is stupid, and basically one step below a porn star (but if they what they want, so be it, so be it). As for those who have no choice? Much I feel there are always other options (for me, it’s the literally shit-covered sewers) and she is basically saying that, as a woman, this is the only choice, it’s still out of a desire to keep herself, or more often, her loved ones, alive and fed.
Oh indeed, that makes me shiver, especially when people are kidnapped from their holidays or their very homes. And people don’t realize there are a lot of boys forced into that too.
You can’t decide whether an accident is going to happen or not. And you would hope they had used all the safety features.
Of course, but some of them are just born into that, and that is all they know.
Yup. I hate the corruption, paedophilia and denial of AIDS as much as anyone else. And there are pedos in the Protestant churches as well. I follow science as much as I do my religion and God. Ok, feel free to laugh, but I’m an Old Earth Creationist (though in the way of believing that God initiated the Big Bang). I know it’s their choice to believe it, but I just do not understand why some people still think the earth is only six thousand years old and that fossils are a ‘test of our faith’. However, the WBC is most definitely black. There is not a single good moral behind their actions. Even extremists, much as they insult their religion, have some kind of mortality behind their usually disgusting actions.
Well, just what I heard people say, and woman react. The most pathetic being (luckily it was only a one time thing), a man came up to a woman and simply said “hi” and “can I just say, you’re hot,” (well, not so elegantly), not sounding ‘perverted’ in the slightest, and she spits ‘fuck off’ at him, and marches away. Mind you, most of the time people are too busy drinking and laughing, but at one point or another, things will start to switch towards the more primitive side of the brain.
Oh, I don’t get upset at them, most of the time they are hilarious, but they can get annoying.
I’m simply a pro-lifer as, again, I don’t support hypocrisy (and we are all hypocrites in some way or another – one of mine being that I consider myself to be strong mentally, and have been told that by a few friends, but I start stuttering and getting nervous when it comes to talking to strangers).
Yeah, but the later you learn someone so importantly like that, the less you will understand/be more grossed out. Mind you, in our lessons most kids like it as they can yell genital names and boobs and not get into trouble. Such a thing can even happen in secondary school, but we should not treat kids different unless there is someone that requires that kind of attention. I never had things hidden from me, and I don’t think that we need to hide ‘dark’ or ‘adult’ things from children either. The sooner they learn about the real world the better.
Why are they called ‘shrinks’ in America? Well, to be completely honest, in my far younger days, I was…kind of for abortion, then I saw the selfishness and hypocrisy, that no, women did not just have it because they were raped, or due to incest, or because her health was at risk. It was not just ay eleven, though, as I learn more biology through the years my opinon formulated, probably at competition at about fourteen. Only three years ago, I was one of those bastards who though that men could not be abused or raped, especially by a woman. That changed when I remembered another personal scenario in my head, and wondered if I would think the same if the genders were reversed, and hence, I realized thinking that was wrong, along with, again, seeing the kinds of damage the attitude could cause. Finally, until sixteen, I thought that all public displays affection should be banned, and looking back on it, I can’t believe I was such a twat. I am open to changing my views like everyone else, but there are ones I will not just let go and look a weakling, just to please others. I grew out of that as a child.
Well, it’s more of a Glaswegian thing. Really? Where did you hail from, if you don’t mind me asking.
Well, in that situation, my mind would be demanding I don’t (you can’t really control those thoughts), but I would still do it if my throat was like that. I’d try to reduce the thoughts by wiping, hoping the person who handed me the bottle was not offended.
Well, of course, but I thought we were talking about if a man and a woman have a one night stand and she ends up pregnant.
Again, I only say such things when the arrogant attitude is displayed.
There is no way I would go through hypnosis. I can’t even sleep unless I’m alone (it’s more of a ‘what if the other person/people watches me’ thing, as I feel that is invasive and creepy).
That is understandable. I do worry about what may happen if those memories resurfaced. They could become traumatized all over again.
Well, I can sometimes and sometimes not resist wanting to eat someone nice. Sometimes, if I really want some nice, sugar-full chocolate bar, I’ll think “well, I’m going to bed soon”/”just brushed my teeth”/”it’s two in the bloody morning” and resist it. However, others times, I know I can’t and I don’t care about the consequences – my reflux flaring up, not being anyone to sleep because even that can make me hyper sometimes, but it does not matter because I felt good in that moment. I apply the same logic to sex, but people do not seem to be about to control themselves as much nowadays.
Well, one I’m allergic to animal fur and while I can handle/stroking one with my hands, if I’m near one for a prolonged period of time, my allergy can flair up (most of the time I don’t care – swollen face/itchy white rashes be damned I’m still going to hug that cat, or let my former guinea pig nibble my face). Next, I feel bad about using an animal for unecessary benefit. Finally, all cases are different. Well, she’s lucky then. I don’t mean it in a ‘OMG, a disabled person being normal!” way, but she lucky that she has the confidence and skills to do more than I can.
I tried, and I just don’t think I could go through all the personal questions and patronizing words again. It’s like the OCD, I can’t help it, and I’m sort of used to it.
I have tank tops and shorts a plenty (and me being OCD, they are all matching sets and I have to wear both of the same colours or it just feels wrong/illogical), but they certainly cover my cleavage and butt (the latter are crew necked and the former halfway to my knees) while still keeping me cool. Nothing wrong with wanting to look good though, but have you seen the length of some skirts? Heh, yeah. Mind you, I actually look forward to that week (two weeks if you’re lucky) where I can wear a t-shirt or tank top, though I still wear jeans or carpis, as well, I feel stupid about wearing shorts when I’m not abroad. And I get sunburnt easily. And I mean easily. Just this summer, I got sunburnt twice. It was not as hot as last year and I was fine then, for some reason. I envy America, Spain, Italy, France, etc for having actual summers. I like cold weather too, but as you said, that’s probably because I’m a Scot and we’re used to freezing our arses off. You should see how high the snow gets in the highlands.
Ok. I’m not saying we need to act like skrinking violets, just to be careful. That doesn’t mean a good time cannot be had.
Of course.
I know that, but it’s still not as much a virgin. Again, I’m not dumb. She does not suffer as much destruction, as much violation, as much horror as one who does not know how it feels to have something in there.
Yeah she is, or she would still be a virgin (that’s not to say I think rape victims are non-virgins, as that’s just another way to degrade them), in a relationship, married or pregnant.
Again, thanks. Even if we (as in, civilians) could have a gun in our home without being arrested, if someone broke in, I would hope threatening them with it would be enough, and if I really had to fire it, I would try aiming for their legs (obviously, any wound can be fatal, but the further away from the larger nerves and essential organs, the less the chance, right?). I would most likely miss anyway.
I’m just a pedantic person, sorry.
They are being immature. That still makes me laugh btw (Jilling off). Now I’m being immature.
Yas.
Then they can be.
I do get out plenty, as I said, but there’s not exactly much going on here. Sometimes, I even go for a simple walk, no destination/objective in mind. And my many hospital appointments mean I’m never in the house for any more than a solid few weeks, and even after that, for some reason, I don’t like going straight home, so I usually get a drink (not alcohol, of course ^_^) or looking at the shops/cinema before heading back. And as always, I almost always have someone with me.
That’s…good. Then?
Not everyone deserves kindness. Murderers, rapists, child abusers, animal abusers, and people who start off hostile for five. There are times where I still try in the last case, though.
And there are opinon that piss me off (homophobia being the most obvious, along with shaming people for not conforming to gender/racial stereotypes). We all get pissed at something. We need to get angry at some point. Then again, there’s my boyfriend. He doesn’t even get angry at his mum when she makes him do chores as a member of the household.
Well, you’re still putting someone’s organ in your mouth.
Heh heh. Well, I know when not to do so, obviously, but sometimes, a more elegant word just does not have the impact I’m looking for.
Yeah, but let’s not forgot that even a small person can abuse one larger than them. Due to being smaller than men for the most part, a lot of female abusers do tend to use weapons.
Yeah, but you could just ignore it. If you shout and protest, you are basically giving them the attention they want, but I know not everyone is like that.
Those are some good details there. You would just hope that you could trust the person you are supposed to trust (in this case, the doctor), and the sedative was probably necessary, but the doctor took advantage of that. Those kinds of situations always make shudder. However, again, you still choose to put that alcohol in your body. If I was out with friends and one get drunk, I would try to get through to their addled mind that they should go home, but if they want to make their own mistakes and go shag that person they were snogging earlier, that’s their choice. however, if said person turned out to be rapist/trafficker or something, the situation would of course be the attacker's fault (and should be put in prison for life) but the victim still put themselves into that position and did not listen to their friends, as you can’t exactly force someone to walk away. That’s how you get hit. As for the last line, yup.
Ah, I see, but law as it is, some people will still disagree. It seems to be saying that even if a drunken person consented, it’s still rape. And what if both parties were drunk? Could it be said that both were raped?
Oh, it’s just tumblr people, I’ve seen many a case in the news.
Yeah, but realistically, how many people would believe the man? How many would say he just regrets it because she was ugly or something? It’s the majority then. I’ve seen it in the news, and personally. There a particular case from a few years ago (the types of attitudes in regards to which were recorded as screenshots, but once again, even though I’ve searching for it for about half an hour now it seems to have gone). At least I found this again: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic… . Just…those comments.
I’ll note you it, since I’m not supposed to talk about it publically, nor would I.
Again, I was just displaying a general attitude. I’m not saying you think that. Yeah, even if the person was being attacked, they still should be punished for manslaughter, which is the case anyway. To be egotistical again (sorry if your getting sick of me going on about myself like some entitled bitch), even some went up to me, snatched my bag, or stuck their hand down my trousers/top, I would pull out a gun if I had it, but still do not think I could shoot. I know it’s stupid/putting myself in a bad position, but I would still chase after the person in the former case (as it’s not just that they took my belongings, but also because I’m one of those people who carries a sentimental something wherever they go). I still would not fire, though I bet I would arrested for chasing after some person with a gun in my hand.
Ok.
“No. I just have my opinion.”
And they have theirs.
“I’ve had it as long as I can remember, but I think it intensified after the bullying. I did get help actually, but there was not anyone they can do. They just give you tablet nowadays and ask you really invasive questions. We eventually stopped going as it just was not helping. And even thought it was on the NHS, you still had to pay, which, while being little, build up.”
That’s rather sad. I hope you find some way around it though.
“I can do the simple things, like ask for a drink, show my ID if necessary, and if someone wants to borrow one of the chairs at the table I smile and say sure, but when it comes to trying to have a conversation, most of the time I’m plagued with thoughts that I’ll be annoying, or I’ll blurt someone stupid/random (though I tend to the latter even when on my own). I also stutter if say, I feel the need to ask someone to look out for a certain bus (as despite it being a massive vehicle, I don’t see it until it’s right there) as I think I’m being a bother even if the person agrees. I mostly go out for the cinema, festivals, and the occasional con, or simply because I wanted to send a day with Matt.”
Maybe an ice-breaker might help? It was easier for me when I went out to try (and fail) at a sport I could talk to the people around me because we had something in common. I don’t necessarily mean a sport though.
“However, there was one good situation a few months back. I was at a festival, and got to talking to this woman and her son, and it was a nice time. I love it when moments such as that happen. Everyone now and then, something like that will happen.”
Well there you go.
“*Nod* It’s one of those things that you pay attention to because of some bile fascination, like 4chan. I know this a bit of a sexist/anti-male virgin joke, but their bedsheets must be like stone.”
No comment.
“And that’s your opinon. Mine is just as valid.”
Not everyone is tolerant of other people’s opinions.
“I said that in the very paragraph. And they are being hypocrites being doing so. I’m not.”
Are you a hypocrite for refusing the advances of someone?
“Of course people are entitled to their own bodies, but that does not stop the hypocrisy of women. That extra penis/dildo/vag is not going to make any difference to her status. “
Status is irrelevant. What matters is if she was raped she has a right to complain and the perpetrator is at fault.
“Sexual women, like all sexual people, are given sexual comments, and people have no right to try and control another’s sexuality by calling their comments/advantages ‘perverted’, ‘harassment’ (HA!) or ‘unwanted’ when she already had a cock/dildo inside her, some other girl’s tongue inside her, etc.”
They aren’t controlling someone’s sexuality (unless the person has something wrong with him and can’t keep his or her mitts to himself, in which case s/he needs to be kept away!). And they DO have a right to complain, and it IS perverted. You wouldn’t say this about a child or your Mum or a guy so why say it to them? Do you realise how disturbed this is? Do you realise how SICK “she can’t complain about rape it’s hypocrisy” is? People have a right to choose. It’s a basic right along with the right to eat and breathe and sleep and speak. You don’t want people to say you shouldn’t say no if someone wanted to do that to you, so why do you say it to anyone else?
“I just said. She only had sex for the purpose of reproduction. She was not throwing herself at men for pleasure, and then acting like a hypocrite. There was very good reason she and my father broke up and even after her she never left me at home or something to go pursue another men.”
So in other words, you got nothing. No evidence to say she is never any sort of sexual being. No little barrier in her mind or otherwise which prevents her from ever, ever thinking dirty thoughts or craving something to touch her down there. Nothing to stop her from ever dreaming dirty dirty dreams like every other woman at night.
“Huh, Viagra for women. How does that work? Just make her more lubricated/increase lust?”
www.viagraforwomeneffects.com/
www.wyld.com.au/wyld_woman
etc…. Now WHY would they make aphrodisiacs for women? Could it be …*GASP* non-virgins actually have PROBLEMS trying to get aroused? What, you think non-virgins everywhere have this;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persiste…
or this
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersex…
A disorder. Think of that. Something that doesn’t affect the 90% or so women who at one time or another got off for pleasure. The hypersexuality only affects 3-6% of the population of the US. So could it be… being a non-virgin DOESN’T make you a sex-crazed maniac who says yes all the time? The evidence is right there.
“I am not ‘self-loathing’. And they are not Catholic, but, again, extremist arseholes.”
Hey, some of my friends are self-loathing catholics. What makes them extremist? They’re only critical of themselves not so much others.
“Well, they are funny. My views may be extreme, but I know I’m not as bad as that. They go further than I ever could. I fucking hate homophobes, as you know, and would call someone out on that opinion, but I also realize they probably got such a common intolerance from someone else, so I can’t really blame them.”
The best thing to do in such cases is try to reason with them why they are wrong, IMHO.
“It’s a hard thing to explain for anyone, but when you know, you know. Another funny little thing I found out a few months ago was this. On a 3DS, you can pick a ‘life goal’, and his was to get married and mine was…be a hero (well, I do, sometimes
). I would bet he gets teased for too Like an idiot, I asked who he would want to marry and he replied, “you, you idiot.” I was never really that observant in that area. Even during the two/one and half years (from fifth year) he was in love them me, in typical romcom fashion, I did not think for a second that it was me, especially because he asked for advise on how to confess (I just said, don’t do anything cheesy or announce it in public), and he claimed the girl was in the year above us (I suppose he was just waiting for the right moment – after prom). I just had to think about it for a while before by mind click and went
“Hol, you like him too!”. So cheesy, right? Though it kind of compromises my “men and women can be platonic friends and without having to get together” opinon).”
Yeah those things happen.
“Ah, sorry, I was actually trying to explain what cannot be explained in that very…rant.”
You can only try your best. If I missed something sorry.
“Yup. And it’s also interesting to see the different kinds.”
Yep
“It’s just that temper of mine. I’ve honestly never seen him get angry in the entire ten years we’ve know each other. He just laughs things off. He always had to restrain me when I lashed out at me bullies, as I just could not understand that ‘hitting them back makes you just as bad’. I have tried taking deep breaths for a while though, but sometimes you can’t fight that typical Glaswegian rage.”
This is also something else therapy can help you with.
“ Ok, ok, I see what you mean, I can compare it to me feeling free of my bullies (sorry I keep selfishly comparing situations to my life, but it helps me understand more; that’s not bad, is it?). She is just going to latch on physically to another man (but perhaps not emotionally) so it is still a bit silly. I didn’t go from getting bullied to, say, being a masochist.”
No no I don’t mind if you compare it to things in your life. What’s a masochist got to do with it?
“Yes, but bragging out it and to trying to shove that activity down everyone’s throats can be damaging, or simply be seen as annoying.”
Is this tumbler you’re complaining about again?
“Because I know I would be a hypocrite since I would be perfectly comfortable with it being elsewhere.”
I don’t think everyone has this sentiment, or at least I don’t. I would prefer it nowhere on my body. And away… far away. Like in his pants where it’s supposed to be. Or I’d call the cops.
“Oh, a tank top, fine, but men don’t wear boob-tubes (though midriff tops for men are apparently in style) so why should woman? And don’t woman have to wear sports bras so the girls don’t bounce and get painful? It’s still as bad in a normal bra. That’s why I don’t get why women’s sports uniforms are always more far revealing then men’s. I was told it was someone to do with them being able to move faster, but I know that’s rubbish.”
Boob-tubes allow added vent space for your cleavage in hot weather more so than a tank-top. (Okay TMI I know). Also you can get away with wearing a bra as you can get them with small straps (some women do it anyway if the straps aren’t there I’ve noticed). Or you can get strapless bras (that’s what I wore when I wore my dress to my formal)
“But it’s not ‘lewd’. Yes, it’s a bit too upfront, but not ‘lewd’ and hitting him is uncalled for. They would not have attacked you. I wouldn’t attack them. I’d just walk away. More effective, I think.”
You wouldn’t be bothered by what some people might say, no matter how threatening? If someone threatened you, you’d just walk away?
“Yeah, and everyone is like that. Even if I saw some old person wonder by in a speedo I would still keep it too myself. And I’m not self-conscious in a bikini either (well, I do worry about getting comments about how skinny I am), as I remember that everyone is dressed like that too, and I’m too busy having fun too
.”
No-one I met said much about old guys/ skinny guys in speedos. Probably doesn’t come into the conversation much as like you people would be having fun.
“I’m not against her, but I can’t hold her to different ideas just because I love her. That would be hypocritical, surely? However, as I said, she is not really like that as she was married/only did it for two babies.”
But what if your opinions hurt her? Different opinions are one thing, but to say she can’t complain when she’s raped? That would be wrong to do, especially to your own Mum.
“It’s not for her ‘approval’. I have my own opinon because I am my own person and I’m not going to bow down and accept the selfish, sheep-like opinon of the majority, as the majority are being selfish and bratty.”
And yet more often than not the majority are proven right… and that’s WHY it’s the majority.
“Of course I would feel bad for them. I have emotions. But I still would not think it was as bad a virgin, but I did come across some woman who was sobbing and wailing about what she had just been through, I know I would stop and try to help her, instead of falling to Bystander Syndrome.”
Well that’s something at least.
“Meh.”
Meh?
“Well, fine, again, so long as no-one is arrogant about it. Yes, pride is our nature, but just like selfishness, we, as humans, have to set limits.”
Okay so it’s fine. That’s something also.
“Because it’s hypocritical. Would anyone say a former thief can complain about being robbed? Someone, say, who pesters another person for a certain thing, and turns around and complains when they are given the same treatment? A racist complain about racism against them? If so, then a non-virgin with her arrogant, oppressive attitude has no right to complain about sexual attention. I did not just ‘wake up and suddenly think it’. It came to through my learning, and realizing the hypocrisy. It’s not like I would act as if I’m an exception. I hold myself to the same standards. That is the simple reasoning.”
Once again, and I’ve said this, consensual sex is not a form of harm to either party. Why are you still comparing it to things like stealing or being racist? It’s still like someone giving someone a gift and you saying they can’t complain when someone punches them in the face for it.
“Yup. If someone is willing do it because they think it makes a good career, then that is stupid, and basically one step below a porn star (but if they what they want, so be it, so be it). As for those who have no choice?
Much I feel there are always other options (for me, it’s literally shit-covered sewers) and she is basically saying that, as a woman, this is the only choice, it’s still out of a desire to keep herself, or more often, her loved ones, alive and fed.”
Okay
“Oh indeed, that makes me shiver, especially when people are kidnapped from their holidays or homes. And people don’t realize there are a lot of boys forced into that too.”
Bleargh. It makes me barf.
“You can’t decide whether an accident is going to happen or not. And you would hope they had used all the safety features.”
The contraceptives ARE the safety feature that people use.
“Of course, but some of them are just born into that, and that is all they know.”
Again that varies. Some people are, some people aren’t. some people are right, some people are wrong, some are inbetween. What matters is that everyone keeps on learning.
“Yup. I hate the corruption, paedophilia and denial of aids as much as anyone else. And there are pedos in the Protestant churches as well. I follow science as much as I do my religion and God. Ok, feel free to laugh, but I’m an Old Earth Creationist (though in the way of believing that God initiated the Big Bang). I know it’s their choice to believe it, but I just do not understand why some people still think the earth is only six thousand years old and that fossils are a ‘test of our faith’. However, the WBC is most definitely black. There is not a single good moral behind their actions. Even extremists, much as they insult their religion, have some kind of mortality behind their usually disgusting actions.”
This is another can of worms I’d rather avoid.
“Well, just what I heard people say, and woman react. The most pathetic being (luckily it was only a one time thing), a man came up to a woman and simply said “hi” and “can I just say, you’re hot,” (well, not so elegantly), not sounding ‘perverted’ in the slightest, and she spits ‘fuck off’ at him, and marches away. Mind you, most of the time people are too busy drinking and laughing, but at one point or another, things will start to switch towards the more primitive side of the brain.”
Not that I’d know since I wasn’t there but it sounds like she probably had a bad day and wanted to be left alone. Crass as it was she told him to go away and I doubt it was anything personal towards the guy. This isn't complaining about advances this is just someone not wanting to be approached.
“Oh, I don’t get upset at them, most of the time they are hilarious, but they can get annoying.”
Riiiight.
“I’m simply a pro-lifer as, again, I don’t support hypocrisy (and we are all hypocrites in some way or another – one of mine being that I consider myself to be strong mentally, and have been told that by a few friends, but I start stuttering and getting nervous when it comes to talking to strangers). “
I don’t think you quite get hypocrisy.
“Yeah, but the later you learn someone so importantly like that, the less you will understand/be more grossed out. Mind you, in our lessons most kids like it as they can yell genital names and boobs and not getting into trouble. Such a thing can even happen in secondary school, but we should not treat kids different unless there is someone that requires that kind of attention. I never had things hidden from me, and I don’t think that we need to hide ‘dark’ or ‘adult’ things from children either. The sooner they learn about the real world the better.”
I am not a parent nor a teacher and as such can’t say much about what age kids should learn this.
“Why are they called ‘shrinks’ in America? Well, to be completely honest, in my far younger days, I was…kind of for abortion, then I saw the selfishness and hypocrisy, that no, women did not just get because they were raped, or due to incest, or because her health was at risk. It was not just ay eleven, though, as I learn more biology through the years my opinon formulated, probably at competition at about fourteen. Only three years ago, I was one of those bastards who though that men could not be abused or raped, especially by a woman. That changed when I remembered another personal scenario in my head, and wondered if I would think the same if the genders were reversed, and hence, I realized thinking that was wrong, along with, again, seeing the kinds of damage the attitude could cause. Finally, until sixteen, I thought that all public displays affection should be banned, and looking back on it, I can’t believe I was such a twat. I am open to change my views like everyone else, but there are ones I will not just let go and look a weakling, just to please others. I grew out of that as a child.”
And now you are one who says non-virgins can’t be raped...... :/
At least you’re learning though. But I think you can improve. Like considering with the genders changed; What if someone said non-virgin males can’t be raped? That if a guy does something he can’t complain if a woman rapes him? That if a guy has consensual sex he’s wrong to call a woman abusing/ raping him a “pervert”. Would that be a wrong thing to say? Why or why not? Reverse the genders again. Don’t you think that attitude can also cause damage too?
“Well, it’s more of a Glaswegian thing. Really? Where did you hail from, if you don’t mind me asking.”
I am from Australia. Born and raised. My Father comes from Falkirk.
“Well, in that situation, my mind would be demanding I don’t (you can’t really control those thoughts), but I would still do it if my throat was like that. I’d try to reduce the thoughts by wiping, hoping the person who handed me the bottle was not offended.”
This is also something that varies from person to person.
“Well, of course, but I thought we were talking about if a man and a woman have a one night stand and she ends up pregnant.”
Most of the time (at least IMO) a one-night stander would have some form of contraceptive since the whole reason they’re into the one-night thing is they’re not into commitment. (besides there’s always fellatio etc which won’t get you pregnant). But if they’re careless and don’t use contraceptives then yeah, it is stupid of them.
“Again, I only say such things when the arrogant attitude is displayed.”
Tumbler again?
“There is no way I would go through hypnosis. I can’t even sleep unless I’m alone (it’s more of a ‘what if the other person/people watches me’ thing, as I feel that is invasive and creepy).
That is understandable. I do worry about what may happen if those memories resurfaced. They could become traumatized all over again.”
That would be a downside to it, I guess. Hypnosis never bothered me. Besides people have this thing which wakes them up if they’re told to do or say something off
“Well, I can sometimes and sometimes not resist wanting to eat someone nice. Sometimes, if I really want some nice, sugar-full chocolate bar, I’ll think “well, I’m going to bed soon”/”just brushed my teeth”/”it’s two in the bloody morning” and resist it. However, others times, I know I can’t and I don’t care about the consequences – my reflux flaring up, not being anyone to sleep because even that can make me hyper sometimes, but it does not matter because I felt good in that moment. I apply the same logic to sex, but people do not seem to be about to control themselves as much nowadays.”
Yeah, but, what if you were never allowed to enjoy that chocolate bar, or any chocolate, ever again? Never. For the rest of your life.
“Well, one I’m allergic to animal fur and while I can handle/stroking one with my hands, if I’m near one for a prolonged period of time, my allergy can flair up (most of the time I don’t care – swollen face/itchy white rashes be damned I’m still going to hug that cat, or let my former guinea pig nibble my face). Next, I feel bad about using an animal for unecessary benefit. Finally, all cases are different. Well, she’s lucky then. I don’t mean it in a ‘OMG, a disabled person being normal!” way, but she lucky that she has the confidence and skills to do more than I can.”
I’ve had allergies to animal fur. I’ve been allergic to fur, pollen, grass, dust, milk, eggs, yeast… Never stopped me.
“I tried, and I just don’t think I could go through all the personal questions and patronizing words again. It’s like the OCD, I can’t help it, and I’m sort of used to it. “
The mind is like a body sometimes only once it is analysed can it be fixed.
“I have tank tops and shorts a plenty (and me being OCD, they are all matching sets and I have to wear both of the same colours or it just feels wrong/illogical), but they certainly cover my cleavage and butt (the latter are crew necked and the former halfway to my knees) while still keeping me cool. Nothing wrong with wanting to look good though, but have you seen the length of some skirts? Heh, yeah. Mind you, I actually look forward to that week (two weeks if you’re lucky) where I can wear a t-shirt or tank top, though I still wear jeans or carpis, as well, I feel stupid about wearing shorts when I’m not aboard. And I get sunburnt easily. And I mean easily. Just this summer, I got sunburnt twice. It was not as hot as last year and I was fine then, for some reason. I envy America, Spain, Italy, France, etc for having actual summers. I like cold weather too, but as you said, that’s probably because I’m a Scot and we’re used to freezing our arses off. You should see how high the snow gets in the highlands.”
I’ve been told.
And you should wear what you want to wear. Just as I am arguing for anyone else wearing what they want to, so should you. Like if some gang went up and bashed you for your choice of clothing (maybe it was too nerdy just as an example) why should you let that control your choice of attire? Same with the girls who wear skirts. It wouldn’t be your fault if someone bashed you they should learn to buzz off and it wouldn’t be the girl in the skirt’s fault.
“Ok. I’m not saying we need to act like skrinking violets, just to be careful. That doesn’t mean a good time cannot be had.”
There’s being careful which is understandable. Then there’s people saying you have to be stuck at home in a hijab.
“I know that, but it’s still not as much a virgin. Again, I’m not dumb. She does not suffer as much destruction, as much violation, as much horror as one who does not know how it feels to have something in there.”
Once again, I’m not going to nit-pick here, again, you’re at least acknowledging that she has indeed suffered. They all suffer, it’s all bad.
“Yeah she is, or she would still be a virgin (that’s not to say I think rape victims are non-virgins, as that’s just another way to degrade them), in a relationship, married or pregnant.”
When it comes to being rape? She isn’t. The whole POINT of rape is it being non-consensual aka the girl (or guy) not being interested. And just because a girl has had some sort of sexual activity at some point in her life doesn’t mean she will forever be interested in sex. The feeling stops, just like hunger or thirst or needing to pee. You don’t continually feel hunger or thirst. You get relief then life goes on. You’ve had so many people who have gone through it tell you it isn’t constant why ignore the facts?
“Again, thanks. Even if we (as in, civilians) could have a gun in our home without being arrested, if someone broke in, I would hope threatening them with it would be enough, and if I really had to fire it, I would try aiming for their legs (well, of course, any wound can be fatal, but the further away from the larger nerves and essential organs, the less the chance, right?). I would most likely miss anyway.”
If a threat is what’s required for protection it can be achieved just as well with a fake gun or a gun with blanks.
“I’m just a pedantic person, sorry.”
It’s a bit silly. What has anyone got to gain from a “my life sucks more than yours” competition?
“They are being immature. That still makes me laugh btw (Jilling off). Now I’m being immature.”
On the contrary one (usual) mental change after a loss of virginity is to become more mature. (BTW It’s an old slang it’s been around for a while you know.)
“Then they can be.”
Not many people get on well in life with a lot of people feeling rage at them. I should know.
“I do get out plenty, as I said, but there’s not exactly much going on here. Sometimes, I even go for a simple walk, no destination/objective in mind. And my many hospital appointments mean I’m never in the house for any more than a solid few weeks, and even after that, for some reason, I don’t like going straight home, so I usually get a drink (not alcohol, of course ^_^) or looking at the shops/cinema before heading back. And as always, I almost always have someone with me.”
But like you said there’s not much going on there. I meant to go meet new people, make new friends. There’s always a plus in getting friends.
“That’s…good. Then?”
Beating someone who’s innocent Is never good.
“Not everyone deserves kindness. Murderers, rapists, child abusers, animal abusers, and people who start off hostile for five. There are times where I still try in the last case, though.”
While that is true it is (meant to be) the Christian way to forgive those who have wronged us. Can’t say it’s easy given that list, and it’s tempting to be cruel to them back. But revenge is the one thing that causes hypocrisy.
“And there are opinon that piss me off (homophobia being the most obvious, along with shaming people for not conforming to gender/racial stereotypes). We all get pissed at something. We need to get angry at some point. Then again, there’s my boyfriend. He doesn’t even get angry at his mum when she makes him do chores as a member of the household.”
Why would someone get angry at being made to do that? That’s something everyone has to do, especially when you become independent.
“Well, you’re still putting someone’s organ in your mouth.”
I guess it’s not an end to virginity because it’s usually judged by a hymen breaking. IDK it’s just what I’ve gone by people saying.
“Heh heh. Well, I know when not to do so, obviously, but sometimes, a more elegant word just does not have the impact I’m looking for.”
Well fuck.
“Yeah, but let’s not forgot that even a small person can abuse one larger than them. Due to being smaller than men for the most part, a lot of female abusers do tend to use weapons.”
That’s also true.
“Yeah, but you could just ignore it. If you shout and protest, you are basically giving them they attention they want, but I know not everyone is like that.”
That’s true. Doesn’t stop the wolf-whistling from being out-dated and cheap.
“Those are some good details there. You would just hope that you could trust the person you are supposed to trust (in this case, the doctor), and the sedative was probably necessary, but the doctor took advantage of that. Those kinds of situations always make shudder. However, again, you still choose to put that alcohol in your body. If I was out with friends and one get drunk, I would try to get through to their addled mind that they should go home, but if they want to make their own mistakes and go shag that person they were snogging earlier, that’s their choice. however, if said person turned out to be rapist/trafficker or something, the situation would of course be their fault (and should be put in prison for life) but they still put themselves into that position and did not listen to their friends, as you can’t exactly force someone to walk away. That’s how you get hit. As for the last line, yup.”
Once again, we always put ourselves into dangerous positions. It is part of life we must face or risk not living at all.
“Ah, I see, but law as it is, some people will still disagree. It seems to be saying that even if a drunken person consented, it’s still rape. And what if both parties were drunk? Could it be said that both were raped? “
Once again, with the degree of alcohol being taken, what the jury and judge decides, it depends. If they’re both drunk I don’t think it is wrong. Stupid, but not wrong
“Oh, it’s just tumblr people, I’ve seen many a case in the news.”
I’ve seen some things in the news too. There was one case I saw a year or so back…
m.yorkpress.co.uk/news/nationa…
I think that’s the one…Looks like the girl I saw on the news. And it is bad. But there are also a lot of rapes that happen for real in the news and that also pisses me off.
“Yeah, but realistically, how many people would believe the man? How many would say he just regrets it because she was ugly or something? It’s the majority then. I’ve seen it in the news, and personally. There a particular case from a few years ago (the types of attitudes in regards to which were recorded as screenshots, but once again, even though I’ve searching for it for about half an hour now it seems to have gone). At least I found this again: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic…@ . Just…those comments. “
Idiots. That is rather disappointing. (you also get idiots spouting bullshit when there’s an article regarding a rape of a woman too).
“I’ll note you it, since I’m not supposed to talk about it publically, nor would I.”
Understandable. Feel free to note me.
“Again, I was just displaying a general attitude. I’m not saying you think that. Yeah, even if the person was being attacked, they still should be punished for manslaughter, which is the case anyway. To be egotistical again (sorry if your getting sick of me going on about myself like some entitled bitch), even some went up to me, snatched my bag, or stuck their hand down my trousers/top, I would pull out a gun if I had it, but still do not think I could shoot. I know it’s stupid/putting myself in a bad position, but I would still chase after the person in the former case (as it’s not just that they took my belongings, but also because I’m one of those people who carries a sentimental something wherever they go). I still would not fire, though I bet I would arrested for chasing after some person with a gun in my hand.”
Gun’s a bit extreme though, don’t you think?
Yes, but they are just as forceful.
As I said, I’m used to it, but I am continuing to slowly build my confidence.
Well do people mean by ice-breaker? I always envision some awkward joke, or if someone says something regarding a subject I’m interested in, then I could go up and try to strike up a conversation. However, nowadays when you do that, you are looked at you’re a weirdo or creep. You can’t even say ‘good morning’ to your neighbours without them looking at you like you’re going to attack them or something (I always seen good morning to my neighbours in my former flat as I headed out to school, and would often have silence in response). Only two, my next door neighbour, and this old woman who always passed me in the morning would say it back, or say it first. She and I even had conversations, as she knew I had to stand out there for a while. I also remember her dog, he was a lovely little thing. We ran into each other a lot, actually, when going back and forth in our trips.
More will happen, I’m sure.
And again I prove I just cannot do comedy
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I do my best too, but like everyone else, I have my limit. I just have a thicker skin than some, as egotistical as that is to say.
No, because once more, I have not done said action with one person and suddenly not ok with doing the same with another. The same goes for all virgins.
She is just less hurt. It is still far less of a crime.
It is only ‘perverted’ when the person receiving those comments are themselves not sexual, have not flirted themselves, or had similar thoughts, regardless of whether they said it aloud or not. Everyone in the world, no matter their orientation, married, pregnant, etc, will receive a sexual comment at some point or another. Again, virgins have a right to complain if they don’t want that sexual attention to their non-sexually-active status. Again, there is little to no difference between the body of a sexual or non-sexual man. And even though they will have had sex before that those sessions that were intended for reproduction, I think that sexualizing a pregnant woman is rather disgusting as well, though more because she is carrying a child within her (no, I’m not one of those people who thinks a child in the womb can be ‘tainted’, but it just seems wrong). Women choose when they say ‘yes’. Again, I’m not a hypocrite.
She is not some party girl. She respects herself.
There’s no need to act like a smartarse. I know they have problems getting aroused. That’s why Viagra exists in the first place. However, lack of arousal could also imply some form of asexuality. Oh wait, but if they already had sex and still want it, but just can get the body to react physically, then I guess they are just sexual. A man who can’t get it up still is a sexual man, after all. I don’t think it’s wrong to take it, as plenty of people take things far worse (but like sex, have the right to do).
Loathing yourself is not a healthy thing to do. I dislike certain parts of my body/mind, but I do hate anything about myself. That just leads to more unhappiness in one’s life.
They should loathe the fundamentalists, not themselves.
Yeah. I mean, I just don’t understand how anyone can hate homosexuals, and the ‘because God/the bible says so’ is just a cop-out to me. The other common reason is ‘because men and women are made for each other, and fit together’. That’s true, in a biological sense, yes, but, if men were not designed to have anal sex, then why does the male g-spot exist? More importantly, if it is so ‘unnatural’, why does it exist in the animal kingdom, and why is science proving it is not some ‘mental illness’ (well, to that response, the more extreme believe that science is spreading lies and propaganda, but this is people who take the bible literally word for word here)? The same goes for asexuality. Sure, as far as I know, that does not exist in the animal kingdom, but that does not chance that some people are just like that. If one could have a reduced sex drive as they age, or not be attracted/repulsed by some things sexually, then why can someone be without any sex drive from day one or never be sexual attracted to anyone? There are some that use science to say that because it is some ‘deficiency’, it is a form of illness as well (someone on this very journal said this, and myself not included, her reasons were protested).
Hypersexuality is nothing more than an excuse for one’s promiscuity/inability to control oneself. If having no sex drive is not a biological/mental problem, then neither is a large sex drive.
Ack, sorry for another rant. As you want with my opinions, I just want an answer I can understand.
So, it’s ok, then? Even though I was as thick as clotted cream?
Well, it’s my fault to, since I go on and on so much. If I had the confidence I would I would good at speeches (well, I could write them for others) due to how much I can say and that I can enjoy writing.
:Nod:.
Well, it just feels so patronizing to me.
Well, going from trying to avoid violence and belittlement to enjoying it.
No, no, again, just in general.
But again I’m not a hypocrite. That is the simple reason.
There’s never too much information. I’m not easily disgusted in that regard
. I understand now, but it is a bit excessive. Strapless things are always a bit worrisome as a garment (that’s just me though) consider the only things keeping it up are elastic or the girls themselves. I’ve even read in this book I got about puberty (that was always mum’s solution to awkward/adult questions when I was younger – give me a book on it and if it is not enough, answer; the only exception was regarding a certain time of the month) that larger breasted women tend to avoid straps due to, ahem, weight/size causing them to dig into their shoulders. On the other hand, some people just would feel embarrassed. I know this is hypocritical, but while I think there is no problem with women going topless, breast feeding in public (if the wain is hungry, she would be a bad parent for letting them cry because other people think it is ‘disgusting’) or that a wardrobe malfunction, is not something to laugh at, I would not have my boobs out. I understand that boobs, like full nudity are not inherently sexual, but I would still feel so self-conscious.
As I said, if they started trying to do anything physical I would fight them off, however, I am paranoid enough about what people think of me, so I don’t need to add that to the list.
Yeah, but every now and then there’s that one prick.
I would not claim she was not raped. I would support her.
But these are just opinon. We’re not talking about something such as evolution here.
I would just try to be as helpful and kind as I can do to as many as possible. Even though I know I’m not good at fighting, if I saw someone striking someone (even if I later found out it was self-defence), I would still step up to them and ask what the hell the person doing the hitting was doing. If I were so brave, I would even step in to fend off the blows to the victim, but that would be stupidity rather than heroism/bravery. If they continued to strike the person, I would call the police (I would not say the second part out loud, as that’s how you get hit). Even then, if it’s a woman hitting a man, sadly, some polices will just call it is a ‘tiff’ or non-issue, but if he were to defend himself, he’s the one in handcuffs. A good example of this was a CCTV show I used to watch. A woman was beating and slapping her boyfriend (they had gotten into an argument) and he had his hands up to fend off the blows. Eventually, he gets fed up and grabs the woman’s wrists to stop her hitting him. Immediately, a group of passers by who had been watching the situation jump on the man, pull him to the ground and start punching and kicking him. The incident was reported to the police and guess what happened? On the show, the narrator even goes ‘he should learn to treat women better’.
Luckily, I’ve not encountered such a situation in person. Yet. Well, does have to separate two friends, in primary school, whose argument went too far count?
Just saying if that’s what you think, very well then.
Um…thanks?
Because it is still a similar act. Yes, rape is about power, not sex, but if it is still a sexual act, regardless of pre-meditated intent or an inability to control oneself. As for that analogy, I’m a bit confused.
I simply just worry about those who have no choice.
There’s just no words to describe people who do that, just repulsed actions of the body.
But again, that’s a pretty damn big risk. And again, it’s another person’s life we are talking about. A life that has done nothing wrong, and is being punished simply for existing.
Indeed.
Ok.
Fair enough. The man would have not have known that.
No, I’m being honest. It’s like 4chan. On the one hand, you can’t believe the kinds of insanity you see, but on the other, it’s funny that people like that actually exist.
It can be in the form of doing/thinking something that you think others should not, usually in the context of you somehow being exempt, or you could do something while knowing it is highly likely to result and an undesired (much as it is disgusting to call pregnancy that) result, and then complain when that results happens/get away from it without having to deal with the consequences.
I just don’t think we should try children as delicate or thick-minded.
Again, it’s just logical to me.
Of course, but again, a man is not being a hypocrite because sex does not has as much a physical effect on men. I’m not saying it’s this big, giant change in woman, but still significant. She’s that kind of adult when it happens (I don’t mean in ‘if you don’t have sex ever, you’re a child forever’ kind of way), and needs to responsibility, as that adult.
Sorry. Still, cool, though.
Yes. However, when it comes to OCD/Anxiety, there is just nothing you can do about those thoughts. Consciously, rationally, you know it’s stupid, you know you’re being paranoid, but you just can’t help it, as those thoughts won’t shut up until you do. You can do your best to ignore that, but that is a stress in itself.
Ok then, but she’s still trying to escape the result of her choice.
No, this site as well and a few others.
Yeah, but the hypnotist is entirely in charge of the person’s mind when they are under.
I would be miserable. I know I don’t need it, but I would miss the nice feeling it gives me, and the taste. However, unless I was fat, no one would judge me about eating chocolate.
Wow. That is a lot. Well, as I said, same here. Rashes/swelling/wheezing is worth seeing a beautiful sight of nature or having that fuzzy feeling when you stroke or hug a pet.
Well, perhaps people are researching OCD/OCPD somewhere? I mean, obviously research is how a condition is discovered in the first place
Lucky sod. I’m not sure of the exact temperature here, but in below the teens according to the news. Then again, it’s Australia, so your seasons are in different months due to being the southern hemisphere. You celebrate Christmas in the sun. Do you still get bombarded with snowy-adverts though, despite the weather?
Well, it being called nerdy has happened. I get the ‘why the hell are you wearing a waistcoat/turtleneck’ type comment sometimes, or worry that people will think I’m a hipster because I have a penance for fedoras. I agree with you, but sadly, it is natural they humans react and judge visually, as much as we don’t want to.
Yes, and they are oppression, dark ages arseholes. They should wear a full robe to avoid some woman/man eyeing their body, in that case.
I’m not saying it’s not.
Again, I’m not saying that’s the case, but it is not make what she done in the past not count. It still happened and will always be there
It just seems illogical and hypocritical to me.
You can be arrested for carrying replicas around. Thieves and muggers use them to intimidate, so that means no one can use them -_-.
No, but it’s just the way I think. I would not be so pathetic as to be one of those people.
Yeah, but that’s still unfair to asexual people or people just not interested in sex. I think I’m mature because I don’t take drugs, smoke or get drunk, and have good interests/hobbies.
Ok. Also, at the con, I was good at talking with people as well. That could be because was a social place of people with shared interests, so there’s plenty to talk about. And Matt plus two other friends were there.
No, no, that’s not what I meant.
Yes, that is true, and I respect people who are capable of that, I consider them strong for having the power to do that, but when it comes the types of ‘people’ I listed, I cannot forgive that. You harm an innocent child or animal, or violate someone’s body, or take another’s life entirely? You are a sick creature.
Well, some people just think they are being used for free labour. I’m not without household duties as well, but it’s only simple things, like taking out the recycling (hey, government, are you going to say that that means I can work?), keeping my room tidy (that is a easy task though, everything has a place and goes back there when not being used) and I always clean the bath after I use it. Well, by ‘clean’ I mean I wish it down with water and a sponge.
Yeah, that’s true. Religion still does go by the hymen thing, even if science has proved otherwise.
Yes, like that. ‘Oh dear’/’oh no’ just does not give that sense of ‘I’m in a really bad situation’, does it?
I just feel it is more silly than harassment.
Indeed. There is just a limit, as with most things.
Ah, ok.
Well, that’s refreshing at least. She got away scott free.
It’s bad regardless of gender, indeed. These attitudes just make me want to puke. I also found this: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic… who would say this if the genders were reversed? I’m really getting tired of saying that. Even the title of the article implies disbelief.
Well, yes, but that is another side to burglary/mugging – the thief does not understand that some of those possessions they stole held emotional value.
Ok, first off, the whole ‘women are weaker than man physically’ is a poor never-sound excuse (and adds to the “men can’t be raped” ‘argument’). Secondly, cat-calling/wolf-whistling when that woman is a non-virgin. It is words and noises, and men have a right to their sexuality, to find someone attractive. It is ‘rape’ or ‘harassment’.
Thirdly, unless a person is having that alcohol forced down their throat, they chose to drink it, to put themselves in that position. People say that no matter what the woman did not, a drunken man raped a woman if he had sex with her, whether she was drunk or not, so men are responsible for their actions when drunk, but not women? Also a man is even more vulnerable in that situation, because, even if she consented, she can call it rape regardless of her status (drunk or sober), and will be one hundred percent believed. Again, another example of the ‘everything is men’s fault’ mentality.
I know both generally (I’ve watched documentaries and news reports) and personally of the kinds of destruction a false rape allegation can bring upon a man (a long story, that one).
Yes, there are people who will not care what you do or who you are and still attack, but again, that’s just life.
As for attacking, that is a point, however, it depends on whether one is allowed to carry such weapons, again there would be a double standard – a woman can spray a man for so much as wolf whistling (or, in a recent case case, punch him for making a joke which was not even directed at her, and that is seen as normal, even praised as a ‘feminist’ action, the main contributor in that being Tumblr, of course). However, if a man were to turn around and punch/spray a woman for making advantages on him, he would be called a bastard, an abuser, a misogynist, who does not understand how ‘lucky’ he is.
BTW, upon the previous comment, sorry about the far more than usual mistakes. I really don’t know what happened there.
Doesn't matter if they're the opposite gender or not, he's being penetrated so by your logic, he's submissive and weak. If it applies to women, it applies to men. That's what equality is, my dear.
I choose who gets to touch me and have sex with me. Nobody else.
It's not fine at all for a man to approach a woman and tell her he wants to fuck her. I don't know what kind of miso country you live in but here in the states, that's sexual harassment and they can be charged for it.
Even if he is attracted to me, he still needs to behave like a mature person and respect me as a person. If he wants to poletely come up to me and tell me that he thinks I'm well dressed or that I look good, then fine. But if he comes up to me and tells me he wants to bend me over the bench and pound me, I'm going to have a problem with that as most people will. That is way over the line.
You are the hypocrite, my dear. You want women to dress like you or you want women to be subjected to harassment because you don't like how they dress.
You think women deserve harassment because they don't follow your ideals. How extremely conceited of you.
It's not objectifying themselves for dressing appropriately for the weather. A woman shouldn't have to wear pants or capris and a t shirt when it's near 100 and a tanktop and shorts would be far more suitable just because men can't behave themselves.
That's very old school islamic of you to believe that.
Yes you would be a hypocrite for complaining about men cat calling and such because you are in shorts and a tanktop. You are no more better than nonvirgin women. You are not entitled to special treatment and exemptions.
You are not special.
I didn't say it was another persons job to look after another person but it's everybody's job to behave like moral adults when somebody is acting the fool. Just because one person is acting the fool, that doesn't give another person the right or the go-ahead to act the fool either. If one guy is acting the fool and throwing rocks at windows, that doesn't make it okay for the other person to join in as well. They don't necessarily have to correct the other person but they should not join them either.
Nobody has to tell the person getting drunk to stop drinking or to not do something but they don't have to get drunk and act the fool either. Of course it would be moral thing to do and try to help somebody before they got into trouble, but I guess you dont' think people should help people.
Some mistakes shouldn't be learned the hard way. Would you let a tot play with a gun and let them risk shooting themselves because 'some lessons are better learned the hard way?" No? Why not? Even if it wasn't a gun and it was just a beer you wouldn't stand around and let them drink it, would you? Why not? A drunk person is only as sensical as a tot.
That philosophy of yours is very flawed.
I don't know if I should laugh at you or laugh very hard at you.
I'll do both.
Okay, now back to the point.
You keep whining about 'waaah I'm just voicing my opinion!' when you're not just doing that but you are being bigoted and hateful. You are hatemongering and hateslinging. You are a very hateful person.
And you, aaasss uuuusuuaaaall are being very histrionic about non virgins and what you so hilariously incorrectly think they believe. You have your own personal stereotype on nonvirgins and you use the most hyperbolic ideals you can think of. We nonvirgin women don't think we're all perfect and liberated any more than you virgins think you all are queens and entitled to the best things anyplace has to offer.
Yeah but if you did that then they went about your neighborhood and other motorists calling them stupid, reckless, selfish ignorant twats who doesn't deserve a car or respect..you'd have a problem with that, especially if they came to you and began to berate you and insist that you are a lesser being than them just because you drive like a idiot.
If somebody were to make a racket about nonvirgins being arrogant, selfish, control freaks, you'd have an issue with it. What's so hard to understand about that, 'misogynist'?
There you again yet again with your ill contrived assumptions. If assumptions were nickels you'd be able to afford a quality education.
We know you do other things, we just don't fucking care. What we care about is how you go around demonizing nonvirgins because you don't understand sexuality. You don't personally do it or enjoy it so you go around vilifying everybody else who does.
I fucking hate MLP. I don't understand the obsession and I don't enjoy it but I don't go around vilifying the bronies and pegasisters. I'm intelligent enough to know that a whole group of people is not to be judged by their worse member, unlike you.
You claim to know of these things but you really don't or else you wouldn't hold these disgusting views of yours. You wouldn't be a rape apologist if you truly understood.
What's hilarious is that you think men who sexually harass women are right but men who open doors for women are pigs. You are truly backwards.
No, he kisses you and hugs you and he holds you because you are a woman who is smaller than him. That is a biological fact. Women are meant to be smaller than men so when he does these things, he's dominating you. By your logic.
Oral herpes doesn't count as you would get them by making mouth to genitalia contact which you count as sex.
Herpes from mouth to mouth contact doesn't count as an STD because it wasn't sexually transmitted. You might count kissing as sex but the rest of the world knows better.
I knew you would bring up toilette seats and the like. It doesn't surprise me that a vaginanazi like you would be so dumb as to believe that rumor.
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Doesn't matter if she wants a baby or not. It's not fair to her period.
She's stuck with an STD she can't have healed or treated because in your land, nobody bothers with researching it. In your land, all the homosexuals who contract HIV/AIDs are basically already dead.
Here’s why – that, the two men, does not fall into traditional roles (as heterosexual intercourse is, natural as that is). Plus, two men going at it would never end in some misandric cow murdering the natural being she once was.
You have nothing to keep or preserve or protect, rather because you did stuff out with marriage/engagement, then throwing it aside.
Pfft. You follow that ‘logic’. I would expect nothing less. You know, for someone on a site dedicated to insulting everything and anything, you EDiots or whatever the title is sure are easily upset and offended. The very fact that a man wants to fuck you shows the very opposite of that most overused of words. My country is not ‘miso’ (really, there’s cute little nicknames for it, now?).
No, a man does not have to act like a fucking doormat just because you’re not comfortable with it. If women are permitted to sit in little groups chatting about sex, then men are permitted their own version. Equality. It’s called a public place. Yes, I know there are rules there, but there are rules, and there is being an oversensitive hypocrite. Again, you cannot ‘have a problem’ with it as you have already been pounded. Those words, and that man are not going to suddenly make a difference to the state of your body, regardless of its shape (before you try that on me).
Again, no. No one ‘deserves’ harassment or rape. Once more, I’ve never implied such a thing. Again, another thing I have said several times, you can wear whatever you want, regardless of gender, but someone will always judge, like the arseholes who judge men for wearing so-called ‘women’s clothing’. As I said, I love to wear skinny jeans, but because they look smarter than looser clothing (and boot cut ones tend to trail on the floor for me), and looser clothing would make me look even smaller. However, I understand that skinny jeans tend to show things. If someone were to make a sexual remark, I would simply ignore it. However, if said person (regardless of gender) were to come up to me and start touching me, as a woman who has self-respect, dignity and honour for myself and body, would yell and most likely swing at them.
I am not saying that either. But you have already objectified yourself if you had sex outside engagement/marriage, or with more than one man or ‘casually’, or pointlessly. It doesn’t matter what you wear. But again, things such as boob tubes (tube tops), miniskirts, and hot pants are meant to titrate. A decent vest (tank top) and shorts would not. I wear vests in the summer too, when we actually have one.
Islam is not ‘oppressive’ in that aspect. It’s still the woman’s choice to wear that or not. Yes, the punishments are disgusting, but she can still chose. Remember this word: choice.
No, we virgins (not just me alone) have not objectified ourselves. None of my clothes, even my summer clothes, have cleavage, and none of my shorts go above the mid or lower thigh. Again, other woman are free to wear less than that. And yet I can keep cool. I even support woman going topless in public, as again, there is nothing sexual about nudity alone.
I know I’m not special, honey. I’m just not common. That does not mean I’m ‘special’ it means I’m less common.
Yes, but those rocks could harm another person. Unless someone is a violent drunk, they are harming no one but themselves.
Of course I bloody do! Why do you I want to help the poor?! And I just said, I would not abandon a drunk friend. I would not stop them snogging or grinding around, or going back to some stranger’s house for sex (thankfully, I’ve never had to be in that situation), that’s their choice, but wandering the streets in that state? Yes, that is still a danger to oneself, and others (the people they leave behind in their careless state), and is far worse than the former, and I would take that person and say “You’re going home”. I’ve had a few bad experiences with drunken friends or relatives, frightening, dangerous ones (I would not like to recount them as just thinking of them makes me uncomfortable), but I would still make sure they got home safe, if they tried that shit. Again.
Again, I’m so, so offended. I’ve stopped insulting you, you know.
I explained that in the other reply you should be seeing soon. The long one. I am not ‘hating’ on anyone. I do not ‘hate’ non-virgin woman. I just do not care for their attitude many seem to hold. I am not ‘hateful’ as I have my compassions and care, as previously stated.
I don’t want any special attention. In fact, I want your lot to bugger off and stop cowardly talking behind my back, making assumptions, and saying bullshit. Alas, you will not. I’m going on observation.
*Sigh* I don’t think I’m a queen, or entitled to anything. We just get respect for our own respect.
My doing that would affect others, so yes, it would be understandable, but not good, if people were to do that.
I had a quality education, honey. You don’t know our system, or my schooling, bar what I have told you. My mother and I had to fight for a quality education, as I said. Speaking of which, I forget to mention, even though I was in P2 before I finally had a permanent primary school, I still managed to catch up on all the reading and writing in six months. As I informed you before, I started education early. But again, you will not believe me, while you continue to make your assumptions.
You are stereotyping me, putting words into my mouth, and making constant assumptions and putting me into a narrow box for this one thing. I am not ‘demonizing’ anyone. And before you said the predicted response, I am, yet again, make judgements on one’s choice. As for the second, yawn-inducing part, I refer to the above, or any other comments where I said. You are saying this one mental thing supersedes all my goodness. I fucking hate homophobes, yet I still acknowledge they are people.
No, because I can understand where you are coming from there, even though I am a Pegasister. I don’t understand the obsession with other things as well. However, for MLP, it could be that, bar G1, we finally have strong, non-patronizing, characters for little girls to look up to, and that others can enjoy. Well, except the boring moe is that Fluttershy.
No, I don’t. There goes the assumptions again. I open doors for people. It is when a man insists upon outdated, sexist chivalry is the problem. I never said men are ‘pigs’ for it. It’s manners.
You can get it from swapping saliva. That’s pretty damn personal and sexual, someone sticking their tongue in other’s mouth. Anyone would count mouth to genital contact as sex. Away with this ‘technical virgin’ rubbish. You’re either sexual, wanting a baby, or asexual. Then again, blowjobs don’t get you pregnant.
No, he’s not a chauvinist pig. He knows I don’t need ‘protecting’ or ‘saving’. Ask him yourself if you’re so damned confident: maximothe1.deviantart.com/. There is always an exception to the rule. Tell him I sent you. Oh, you will not, will you? You don’t want to end up being proved wrong.
Oh hey! You tried an original insult this time! It still doesn’t describe me and I’m still not offended, but at least you tried. And before you assume again, I’m not trying to be patronizing. Just stating my opinion.
Well excuse me for believing one rumour when I never take things at ‘faze value’ (as I have been told and previously told your lot). Excuse me for making one mistake. To me, it was logical that the *ahem* fluids left could pass something on.
Unless it is because she wants a baby, it is selfish and hypocritical.
No, it’s not for the sake of having a baby, she’s a hypocrite. HIV/AIDS are not exclusive to homosexuals. And I mentioned them in the little list.
Unless a chick had oral sex with somebody in the last couple of hours, it's not actually a big deal. If one or both have a disease of the genitals or lips, understandable, otherwise no.
This is how society views it. You don't, but the rest of society does and society judges what is and isn't. Not you.
Even though I just explained it to you, you still refuse to listen and learn. A woman doesn't change after sex of any kind. If she does, it's her choice. It's not an inherent automatic and unstoppable change. You are still incorrectly assuming that all women are the same. If you truly knew otherwise, you wouldn't be so opposed to hetero sex for pleasure. I didn't become a misandric slaughtering cow when I was no longer a virgin. I didn't change the worst. I only continued to change for the better and having had sex didn't disrupt my progress in the least.
The only thing I don't have to preserve is my hymen. And a hymen isn't something you need to protect like it's a rare painting. You sound like a total paranoid loon when you say that.
"OMG I GOTTA PROTECT MY HYMEN FROM TEH EVIL MEEEENSSSS!!!THEY'RE OUT TO GET MY HYMEN!!!1111"
Nobody is out to get your hymen, believe me on that, honey.
That's probably the most hilarious thing I've ever heard coming from somebody who gets enraged when a man holds a door open for her. We generally have pretty thick skin but when a shut-in asexual vaginanazi stomps around screaming "SEX IS FOR SLUTS" some of us can't help but shake our head at how unbelievably stupid you are. Many people think you're a troll and still do because they just cannot comprehend somebody being as outright stupid and bigoted as you are.
If you don't believe me, just check the threads on the complaints forum.
Asking a man to be respectful is not asking a man to be a doormat. There's a difference. He doesn't have to do jacksquat or change anything about him. He just needs to behave like a respectful human. By your logic, Matt is a doormat because he respects your request that he not do more than peck you on the lips, hold your hand or hold you.
A man being respectful is not a man who is a doormat. You sound like a fedora wearing bro.
Yeah, men are allowed to sit and chat about sex as well but approaching a woman and saying dirty things to her is NOT a version of sitting around chatting about sex.
Well I love to burst your sad little bubble sweetheart, but it doesn't matter whether or not I'm a virgin. If a guy comes up to me and tells me he wants to pound me, I'm going to have an issue with it and I have the right to be. Being a nonvirgin doesn't make me a doormat for me. Ask any other woman and she'll agree with me. Why? Because that's how society runs. Your views oppose the views of society and that's okay, but you act like YOU are the correct one and every single other person is wrong. Society determines these things, not you. Not an asexual shut in.
That's right, that nobody deserves harassment and rape but you turn right around and shrug off when women are harassed just because of what they're wearing or you shrug off rape just because that woman was a non virgin.
You just said to me in your other comment that a woman who has a go at a guy who touches her is wrong so why is it okay for you to do it?
But at least we can agree that a man shouldn't touch a woman just because he thinks she's attractive.
You should go ahead and look up what everybody else considers 'objectifying'. I have in no way made myself an object or presented myself as such by having sex with my boyfriend in the privacy of our room. Or shower. Or kitchen. Or living room.
Nobody considers having sex as objectifying oneself.
Just you and only you. Nobody else.
It's not a choice if she's punished for making a choice her oppressive government doesn't like. They falsely present the choice but they use punishment to force her to make the choice they like.
A woman would be far more sexually harassed if she went topless than if she were to go in a miniskirt and tube top.
I know you're not special because you're not common. I"m saying you're not special because you seem to think your personal opinions are correct when they're just your own personal opinions.
So if you had a friend who is a virgin or is in a relationship or she's single go to a party and get hammered and you saw her to home with or to another room a man you know she'd say no to if she were sober, you would just sit there and watch her go? Knowing she would wake up feeling awful or in ruins because he took advantage of her being drunk, you would still just stand there and watch her go?
If you knew this guy liked her but she didn't like him so he waited for her to get drunk before approaching her..you'd just watch them go?
You are an awful, awful friend and person.
It doesn't matter if you're compassionate for other things, you're still a very hateful person. You say all these awful things about non virgins and what you think they should do and what you think is fair for them without understanding what it is to be a heterosexual woman.
Nobody is talking behind your back. We talk about you in the open in journals and forums which you have full access to. When you stomp around proclaiming that non virgins are inferior, that's going to raise hackles.
So then just as your little assumptive accusation about nonvirgins thinking we're better is untrue, the assumption that virgins think they're entitled queens is untrue. Moral of the story is to not make assumptions and then apply them to an entire group of people.
It wasn't quality enough if you're still misspelling words, messing up your sentence structure, leaving out words and such. You should really reread what you've written before sending it. It makes it hard to understand what you're trying to say when you don't.
Ugh, just as I knew you were going to say.
"You are stereotyping me, putting words into my mouth, and making constant assumptions and putting me into a narrow box for this one thing."
You are doing the same exact thing to me and to non virgins and feminists. YOu do it constantly.
Don't be a hypocrite.
It's manners to hold doors open for people, regardless of gender. Just because a man does it for a person who happens to be a female, they're not doing any wrong. All of society considers it polite. You're the only person who says otherwise. So no..it's not wrong. It's not wrong just because you, one person, doesn't like it.
You don't have to stick you tongue in another persons mouth to come into contact with their saliva. YOu should know that unless you and Matt both dab your lips with kleenex before kissing. And I wouldn't be surprised if you did.
I would ask him but I know he's under your foot. He wouldn't say anything to upset you lest you throw a fit about misogyny and the like. I've dealt with enough of other girls boyfriend to know they take up their side regardless of how wrong they are. I'm sure he'd do these things with any other person but avoids it with you lest he be subjected to rants and raving.
I'd let a door slam in your face too if it meant not having to listen to you blather on about misogyny and sluts or whatever.
It's very adorable that you pretend to call me out because you think it's about being wrong when it's about Matt being a doormat to a raging vagina nazi. Is Matt asexual too or does he just fear your poor depth percepted wrath.
Lol so cute, little scrawny Jade trying to be clever. It's like watching a chihuahua yap at strangers.
As you've been told huh? Yeah I'm sure the MOD on EDF you tried to report could confirm you and/or matt are skulking the thread again. So much for being a strong and independant woman.
Again, you're the only person who thinks this. You're the only person who believes this backward, borderline psychotic dribble.
And no shit sherlock, but HIV/AIDS is the most prominent in homosexuals, so again, in your land they're pretty much already dead.
No, it’s ‘O! Mah HYMEN!’. It’s my body itself. I respect it and look after it and honour it, and I will not some man (or woman) try to violate it. I don’t think anyone is ‘out to get me’. However, that was a rather good stealth insult (that I am ugly/undesirable). Why would I want to be sexually desirable? And if it was a comment on my personality, again, you pin my whole existence and personality on one thing.
Oh, what a sense of humour then. I am not a ‘shut up’ and ‘asexual’ is an insult. Again, you. Do Not. Bloody. Know me. Ooookkkkkk?
I know, and that is their close-mindedness and hypocrisy. I would not even know how to troll anyway.
I’m not saying it again.
Heh, you think he’s a doormat anyway because he dares let a woman take charge. And it’s just a peck, nor it is those overly long sloppy things. Again we are equals. We don’t even do the “I belong to you! You belong to me!” shit.
Sexual desire is not ‘dirty’. Surely you of all people would think that?
I know, it still makes you a hypocrite.
Again, I don’t care.
I don’t think I ‘determine’ anything. Really, that little gem again? Do you not know what the word ‘wrong’ means? Again, I’m not insulting you anymore. I’m attempting to be civil here, unlike most of the time.
But that does not mean I think they ‘had it coming’. The karma thing just happens. It would be karma for me if I stole something then had something stolen from me, for example. And I would have no right to complain as I did that as well.
Wait, what? Since when did I say I go around touching unfamiliar men? That would be harassment.
And I’m sure all those porn stars and glamour models and what not, as much as it is their choice, are not objectifying themselves either.
Again, with the privacy thing. It is not ‘private’ when your lot start screaming the moment a man or woman has a negative opinion on someone choosing to have sex. It is not ‘private’ when those hands spread just a little more germs than others.
They are my opinions. You people are saying they are wrong and being hypocrite and clinging to your double standards and pipe dreams of virginity disappearing.
Assumptions, assumptions, you are fun to look at.
No, of course not.
Of course not.
I am not ‘hating’ them, as I just said. I am ‘very hateful’ in the first place when is only a part of me. I’ve been into to politics and protesting and given to charity and whatnot long before I starting saying thing and the shitstorm started. And as you can see, I still am interested that. And there’s my writing of course, and going out with Matt, and going out to cons, restaurants, events, etc.
It raises it from oversensitive people.
I do reread, but as I said to critiquer, there will always some I missed. The laptop has special program to help me read the tiny writing better, but I know there will always be mistakes I miss.
As I know you would say. I’ve not done anything life changing with my body then when about screaming about how having an opinon on that is ‘oppression’ and ‘sexist’.
:Facepalm:. That’s what I was saying. I said that there is a difference between manners - someone of any gender holding open a door because it is the polite thing to do (and I’m all about manners), and a man being a sexist, chivalrous pig (“oh, sweet maiden, allow to relieve you of that labour”), or the ‘I must ‘protect’ her/you’ kind. Or the woman who allowed that belittling and ‘protection’ like weak little flowers.
I do not think a man is sexist if he holds open the door. I would say ‘thank you’ and keep going.
He keeps clean because he knows about my mysophobia, but we wouldn’t go that far. Besides, you’re always producing spit.
No, I wouldn’t. Again, stop assuming. You had the opportunity right there to obtain evidence and prove but no, you just what to go on clichés and stereotypes. We’ve known each other for ten bloody years. He calls me out on my shit.
I do not ‘rant and rave’ at him. I respect him. I love him. As I said, you did know our interactions, the long conversations we have, the interactions, the debates.
And I’d kick the damn thing open again for your rudeness.
Again, you do not the full me, so, you are wrong. If I had a sound file of that ‘eh-eh’ sound, I would just start playing it now instead of saying that again and again. You know nothing of my kindness, my goodness, my life.
How is that an insult? I know I’m a specky wee midget. I was not trying ‘to be clever’. I was being genuine. I wanted you to have the evidence your lot keep asking for.
It isn’t backward or ‘psychotic’. I never done anything to harm anyone.
No, seeing the reason about homosexual sex and attraction above. That would be homophobia, and all homophobes can go jump in a volcano.
Why are you being such a cu-- (no, I'm trying to civil here). Why are being so assuming and aggressive when we have just began an unrelated and far kinder exchange?
I know there is more to you than what this topic sheds light on but I'm staying focused on the topic so when I say something, it's not about every aspect of you.
What makes him a doormat is letting somebody else take charge regardless of their sex instead of letting somebody function along with him equally.
Nobody should take charge of anybody in a relationship but it happens. It's expected that a man take charge but that's not always how it works. That applies to daily life as well as the sex life.
No, again, desire itself is not dirty
BUT
approaching anybody and explicitly informing them of their desire or what they'd like to do is 'dirty'.
Somebody going to another and complimenting them like say, "That top really compliments your body type." is fine (though I can see some prissy type being offended by the words 'body type')
But if somebody were to approach another and tell them "I want to fuck your brains out." Is dirty and outright inexcusable. That is never okay to say to a person. Regardless of virgin status.
No, again. I'm not a hypocrite for having a problem with a man saying something like that to me. Only you think that and only you. Majority rule: I'm not a hypocrite in such an instance. If he finds me attractive, then fine I don't care. But I don't want to know whether or not he wants to have sex with me. That's his business alone and him telling me that won't even accomplish anything in his favor anyway. I won't sleep with him just because he told me that. I wouldn't even date him or flirt with him either. That is TMI and something he should keep to himself. I don't need to know that some guy is thinking about having sex with me. I don't need to know that some guy visualizes doing something with me that's that personal. Sex is personal.
You certainly act as though you determine things the way you march around and shame heterosexual nonvirgin women. You make statements as if they were factual when they are truly only your opinion. If you stated your opinions like opinions and not facts, so many people wouldn't have an issue with your beliefs. That's the thing though.
You went around commenting on deviations with things like "nonvirgin women can't be raped" and what do you honestly expect? If you'd simply said "I don't think nonvirgin women can be raped," yeah, people are still going to have an issue but at least they wouldn't think you were some vaginanazi.
It's not Karma for a nonvirgin woman to be raped. That's not Karma at all.
That's like a woman buying from a store then somebody coming and stealing from that woman.
That's not what Karma is ._.
The woman did no wrong by having sex for pleasure so for her to be raped is not karma.
This is the kind of thing that makes people so pissed off at you >_> When you say things like "Rape of nonvirgin women is karma" That sounds like something some Arabic man from 1906 would say.
No you said that a woman who strikes a man for touching her is wrong but in a comment I read after that you said that if a guy touched you, you'd strike him.
No, THEY are because they have sex for money for strangers to be recorded for the enjoyment of strangers.
That's different from having sex with your loved one in the privacy of your bedroom (or whatever part of the house)
The sex in porn is not an accurate depiction of sex anyhow.
That's now where your idea of sex came from I hope.
Porno sex is wahaaaaaay exaggerated. Let me just clear that up
right
now.
Porno sex is nothing like real sex. Nobody would watch it if it were. They'd go and have real sex if that were the case. Yes, there is amature porn with people having sex who decided to record but the sex with actual actors and actresses is blown out of proportion.
Men don't even last that long in real life. Women don't moan and writhe just by having a penis touch their vagina.
Ask anybody. Porn is not like real sex at all. Anybody who says it is either hasn't had sex or has only been with prostitutes >_>
Even the best sex isn't like Porn sex. It's good but..there are just things in Porn that no real person does in real life -_-
I don't even know what your talking about in that 'private' bit.
Because they are wrong. I know it sounds funny to say an opinion is wrong but if your opinion was that that sky ends past the clouds well..that'd be wrong.
The only person with double standards is you. You could ask anybody, go on yahoo ask or some such thing, present your opinions and ask if they see a double standard and I PROMISE YOU, they would.
You can do however many different things you like but they way you shame and insult nonvirgin women sounds exactly like hate.
Nonono. Nobody is very sensitive for being upset over you saying that nonvirgin women don't have the same rights as virgin women.
Being oversensitive is calling men pigs for holding doors open for women.
Then reread again. I'm dyslexic and my hand-eye coordination isn't that fantastic and nor is my vision (legally blind by the time I'm thirty like my mom, maybe) so I got spellchecker and I make sure to read as I type and reread and google and do what I can to make sure my sentences are coherent.
That small bit about oppression and sexism doesn't make sense. Revise sentence structure and spelling.
Well nobody does it because they think a woman needs it. They do it because it's polite. So to be upset over it is silly.
Men don't do it because they think a woman can't handle doors, believe me. No man is that dumb. They know women know how to operate doors. It's not the middle ages where doors were made from logs and iron :U They generally aren't that much of a hassle though sometimes there's the weird door with bad hinges or the vacuum in the building is crazy strong.
You should google the bacteria on the skin and lips. There are tiny bugs that live in the follicles, including the follicles of mustache hair. So Matt should be careful to shave regularly, hm? The mouth is a very dirty place, including the lips. Dogs mouths are cleaner even and they lick their butts and genitals.
No, not cliches. I went off of what I've seen firsthand. Your page alone provides evidence enough that he does what he thinks will please you. I needn't dig very far. (or beyond if you page got many comments since the last I was there)
If he truly called you on your bs, you wouldn't still hold a few of the views you hold.
I doubt highly that Matt has the same ideals as you.
You'd kick it open again? And pray tell how would that affect me? It wouldn't, but the owner/manager of the establishment might boot you out for not having respect for the property. I'd move right along without a care.
What the hell is the 'eh eh' sound.
First of all, you're not a midget. Second of all, midget isn't proper. Not here in the states anyhow. It's proper to refer to them as Little People or Dwarves (though I'm not keen on that second term myself although it's a part of the name of the condition)
It doesn't hasn't to be harmful to be backwards to psychotic.
What are you even referring to with the homophobia and such????