Men do not become pregnant, but their wives do, so it is in their best interest for maternity leave to exist so their pregnant wives are not working. This is not equality unless there is also paternity leave in place, but the majority of men understand that men and women are different biologically and thus do not insist on equality in this situation.
Black people are people and thus making it illegal for them to be property in addition to other rights was equality as they now had the same rights as other people.
The fight for gay marriage is called equality maybe because no one is willing to start a campaign against equality, but strictly speaking it isn't equality.
Let's say your a king and you decree that all your commoners are allowed to farm apples, because that is what you feel is most profitable. There is equality in this situation. A few of your peasants however say that they are allergic to apples and want to grow oranges instead. You understand that some of your peasants are different from the others and give them the right to farm oranges instead.
This is much more like the example of accepted inequality in the maternity leave example than the true equality in the black people example in my opinion.
Black people are people and thus making it illegal for them to be property in addition to other rights was equality as they now had the same rights as other people.
The fight for gay marriage is called equality maybe because no one is willing to start a campaign against equality, but strictly speaking it isn't equality.
Let's say your a king and you decree that all your commoners are allowed to farm apples, because that is what you feel is most profitable. There is equality in this situation. A few of your peasants however say that they are allergic to apples and want to grow oranges instead. You understand that some of your peasants are different from the others and give them the right to farm oranges instead.
This is much more like the example of accepted inequality in the maternity leave example than the true equality in the black people example in my opinion.
Many women are denied maternity leave because pregnancy isn't viewed as something worth taking a vacation for. That's what I meant by equality. Pregnancy isn't respected in the working industry, and many pregnant women suffer from it (or are even fired over it.)
Gays are people and making it illegal for them to have tax breaks, hospital visitations, shared property, etc isn't equality in the least.
I honestly don't see how that analogy has to do with this at all.
Gays are people and making it illegal for them to have tax breaks, hospital visitations, shared property, etc isn't equality in the least.
I honestly don't see how that analogy has to do with this at all.
Agree to disagree I guess.
The debate has barely began and you're done already? Dang.
I've debated feminists, gays, atheists, environmentalists, communists, democrats, progressives(basically more fanatical democrats), Canadians and other Christians as well as various combinations of all of the above. I've been banned from 2 sites(one pro gay and one pro feminist), and I have shamed moderators into closing threads on how mistreated gays are even though them themselves agreed that gays were mistreated and didn't want to.
I have only been defeated once by a team of gay christians that were extremely knowledgeable about the bible.
I purposefully seek them out to find the most argumentative and persuasive people to test myself against them and improve my own skill at argumentation.
You tossed out some light emotional appeals combined with a little moral outrage(the hospital visitation was a nice if overused touch), and a minor grammatical error in which you accidentally said that pregnant women suffer from pregnancy. This was preceded by an allusion to "the working industry" whatever that is.
The fatal mistake was admitting to not understanding something(the analogy) in a debate as apparently that is what we were having. Unless the topic is highly technical or obscure admitting you don't understand something is pretty much tantamount to admitting defeat.
I have only been defeated once by a team of gay christians that were extremely knowledgeable about the bible.
I purposefully seek them out to find the most argumentative and persuasive people to test myself against them and improve my own skill at argumentation.
You tossed out some light emotional appeals combined with a little moral outrage(the hospital visitation was a nice if overused touch), and a minor grammatical error in which you accidentally said that pregnant women suffer from pregnancy. This was preceded by an allusion to "the working industry" whatever that is.
The fatal mistake was admitting to not understanding something(the analogy) in a debate as apparently that is what we were having. Unless the topic is highly technical or obscure admitting you don't understand something is pretty much tantamount to admitting defeat.
They weren't admitting defeat, they were marking your analogy as irrelevant.
He should responded with that anlogy irrelevant or your analogy doesn't apply here because....
Instead he responded with "I don't see how that analogy has to do with this at all."
Which in a proper debate I could have exploited to make him look stupid or at least out of his depth.
Instead he responded with "I don't see how that analogy has to do with this at all."
Which in a proper debate I could have exploited to make him look stupid or at least out of his depth.
good for you
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