jokergirl129's avatar
Very true. You always hear how when someone abuses/kills an animal at a young age they will eventually move up to abusing/killing humans and that often this happens because the killer was abused themselves. True, cases vary and not all killers were abused themselves but it's a clear warning sign in either case.

It's hard to explain this one in a way (or at least for me to explain it) because after all many people hate seeing both animals and children being abused. But I think sometimes people may feel a little more for an animal because of how helpless they are. Yes children in abusive situations can be equally as helpless and they don't always have the strength to fight back or speak up. But they do have a chance to speak up of the abuse if they get the chance or even fight back or going out to get help.

With animals though they can't speak of the abuse at all. They can't go and get help and they can't always fight back. Most often animals are rescued when someone reports it or someone sees what bad conditions they are in. Both cases are equally terrible but some people may feel a little more for animals since they can do nothing at all. But like I said I can't explain it. It was mainly the details that got to me. I would have felt uncomfortable if you describe the same events with a person in such details too.

Such a shame the original script kept being messed with. If it had been left alone it makes you wonder what type of movie we've would have gotten instead and what could have been. It's a shame when a good concept gets ruin due to a whole bunch of changes made to it.

Yeah... I can see how abortion wouldn't fully be addressed with the time period the movie took place in and because abortion is such a hot button. And yes that moral is wonky.
tranimation-art's avatar
And I leave it rather open-ended if Little Frederick is a victim or victimizer. Oftentimes, victimizers were victims themselves and vice versa. What's interesting about human psychology is that you could give 20 people the same, exact childhood and your get 20 different results. Someone who was abused doesn't necessarily turn them to an abuser, but there's a chance they could be. Jeffrey Dahmer had a very ideal childhood actually, never been a abused, loving family, yet he would torture little animals as a child and eventually graduated to human beings and became one of the most infamous serial killers in the world.

The abuse of animals will always catch more attention than the abuse of children. It's just the way humanity is wired. Part of it is because animals can't talk back, but there are more factors to it than that. It depends on the abuse of child, some don't consider bullying abuse, everyone goes through bullying, this isn't considered abuse but rather kids playing, etc, etc.

It's sad seeing Dream Child tur into such a mess, but the 2010 reboot was the same. There were a lot of changes made to the script. The director wanted a risker film, but it was the executives of New Line who wanted a "safe" film, so many, many scenes were deleted out of the final cut of the reboot, like the dirt room scene, the church scene, the cave scene, the alternate ending, etc.
jokergirl129's avatar
It is fascinating the different results you can get with people even when you put them in the same exact situation. This is mainly because humans are complex, they react differently to things and so many other factors. But then again that's what makes it so interesting.

And you are right about that. People that are abused don't always grow to become abusers themselves and sometimes those with ideal childhoods and loving families don't grow up to be a good person. It all depends on the environment, mental factors and so much more.

True and I don't have much more ideas than what I said before. And yes depending on the situation some people may not recognize abuse when it happens. Like bullying for example. Although these days with how sever it has gotten people are becoming more and more aware of the damage it causes.

I had no idea the reboot went through a lot of changes either or that a lot of scenes were cut out. Makes me wonder what it would have been like then.
tranimation-art's avatar
I made a list of the deleted/extended scenes removed from the film here: [link]
jokergirl129's avatar
Thank you. I'll be sure to check it out.