Comment on Bezirke Deutschlands 1956 by Kristo1594
Only a 3. Reich would´ve killed many Poles after victory, but in this story, Poles would not die out ethnically,
the only thing I could imagine is, that the Poles had to learn German and maybe feel after some years as being
Germans. If that´s good or bad, we can´t know, I´m not sure if it would be so bad for the polish people,
if they had joined the most advanced nation of Europe to become a part of it.
the only thing I could imagine is, that the Poles had to learn German and maybe feel after some years as being
Germans. If that´s good or bad, we can´t know, I´m not sure if it would be so bad for the polish people,
if they had joined the most advanced nation of Europe to become a part of it.
Say what? You seriously are you writing? You really think so? The most advanced nation? After the victory to the Poles murdered? Do you know a little history? Germany murdered Poles from the very beginning, from 1 September 1939 began the extermination of Polako as a nation.
Just learn the language? You know what he looked like and what was the Kulturkampff? Renounce the language? A nation without its own language, it ceases to be a nation. It is better to die a free man than live as a slave.
Just learn the language? You know what he looked like and what was the Kulturkampff? Renounce the language? A nation without its own language, it ceases to be a nation. It is better to die a free man than live as a slave.
Oh dear, did you read the info and my comments? It´s not about the real history,
it´s about ALTERNATE history, it´s a fantasy what could´ve happened and not real.
Just imagine, Germany wins the first world war, no Nazis will get the power,
because Germany stays a monarchy. Poland would become a state in an union
with Germany, but the people would not suffer, also the language would not die,
just everyone would learn German as first foreign language at school and not English.
Poles are not that innocent btw. you had plans to expell all Germans already in 1919,
with the idea of Greater-Poland, gaining all regions till Berlin, and even Czechia and the old
Lithuania. Poland had ultra-nationalists like any other nation.
Some polish generals even wanted to attack Germany first, because before 1935, in the
inter-war time we had no real army.
Also don´t forget the Bromberger blood sunday in 1939, and how the Poles helped Russia,
to steal Schlesien, Pommern, Danzig and parts of Prussia. Half of your country is stolen territory.
Of course the Russians also expelled many Poles in the east, but it was a mixed region.
So don´t whine pls, Germany did shit, and you too! I´m sick of the propaganda from the poor Poland.
Grow up, we are in the EU now, and we must help each other and not act like in Kindergarten:
Oh 70 years ago you did that and that.....
I can´t respect someone who did in 1945 exactly the same as the Nazis, it makes both equal criminal,
I have ancestors from the Sudetenland, and we will never forget that our old homelands were destroyed,
but of course I don´t blame any modern Czech or Pole for what happened. So stop whining against any
modern Germans, it´s the past.
it´s about ALTERNATE history, it´s a fantasy what could´ve happened and not real.
Just imagine, Germany wins the first world war, no Nazis will get the power,
because Germany stays a monarchy. Poland would become a state in an union
with Germany, but the people would not suffer, also the language would not die,
just everyone would learn German as first foreign language at school and not English.
Poles are not that innocent btw. you had plans to expell all Germans already in 1919,
with the idea of Greater-Poland, gaining all regions till Berlin, and even Czechia and the old
Lithuania. Poland had ultra-nationalists like any other nation.
Some polish generals even wanted to attack Germany first, because before 1935, in the
inter-war time we had no real army.
Also don´t forget the Bromberger blood sunday in 1939, and how the Poles helped Russia,
to steal Schlesien, Pommern, Danzig and parts of Prussia. Half of your country is stolen territory.
Of course the Russians also expelled many Poles in the east, but it was a mixed region.
So don´t whine pls, Germany did shit, and you too! I´m sick of the propaganda from the poor Poland.
Grow up, we are in the EU now, and we must help each other and not act like in Kindergarten:
Oh 70 years ago you did that and that.....
I can´t respect someone who did in 1945 exactly the same as the Nazis, it makes both equal criminal,
I have ancestors from the Sudetenland, and we will never forget that our old homelands were destroyed,
but of course I don´t blame any modern Czech or Pole for what happened. So stop whining against any
modern Germans, it´s the past.
Long time no see, Arminius
Its pretty funny when Pole and German argue who stole Silesia:-D Especially as its been part of Prussia (look up old Prussians!) only since 18. century, before it was part of Bohemian Crown - guess who established Breslau?
btw: Do you know what do names Pommern, Leipzig, Gorlitz, Dresden or even Berlin mean? You may be surprised..
Places all over North European Plain have never been stable when it comes to rulers and population, its childish to claim "You stole it! Give it back!".
Its pretty funny when Pole and German argue who stole Silesia:-D Especially as its been part of Prussia (look up old Prussians!) only since 18. century, before it was part of Bohemian Crown - guess who established Breslau?
btw: Do you know what do names Pommern, Leipzig, Gorlitz, Dresden or even Berlin mean? You may be surprised..
Places all over North European Plain have never been stable when it comes to rulers and population, its childish to claim "You stole it! Give it back!".
Not only the North European Plain. Any place in Europe could be claimed by somebody.
Certainly each piece of clay (polandball terminology) within Europe can be claimed by somebody, but North European Plain can be claimed by nearly everbody and anybody.
You mean south Europe 
Nope.
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I think my comment is old, I was pissed off^^
I have near where I livea town, it was completely set up by expelled Germans from the east,
it´s not funny or ok that they all lost their homeland because of russian imperialism.
I know that the names have slavic origins, but the Slavics there were overpopulated and the culture
there was created by Germans and not the westslavic tribes that have been there once, so I think
we can still claim it.
But not at the moment it has no sense, except you make the Poles living there now by passport Germans lol XD
I don´t wanna offend anyone, but it breaks my heart when such important regions of german history
are not part of our nation anymore, like Breslau where the iron cross was invented, Königsberg where the
prussian kings were crowned, Danzig the important Hanse city, Kolberg that defended the city so well against Napoleon,
Marienburg the main basis of the german knights order.
All this is polish now, it´s a shame. If they would at least use the german names for it.
I know for some cities existed already polish names, but not for every single village,
they translated them after 1945 to destroy the german culture there.
I have near where I livea town, it was completely set up by expelled Germans from the east,
it´s not funny or ok that they all lost their homeland because of russian imperialism.
I know that the names have slavic origins, but the Slavics there were overpopulated and the culture
there was created by Germans and not the westslavic tribes that have been there once, so I think
we can still claim it.
But not at the moment it has no sense, except you make the Poles living there now by passport Germans lol XD
I don´t wanna offend anyone, but it breaks my heart when such important regions of german history
are not part of our nation anymore, like Breslau where the iron cross was invented, Königsberg where the
prussian kings were crowned, Danzig the important Hanse city, Kolberg that defended the city so well against Napoleon,
Marienburg the main basis of the german knights order.
All this is polish now, it´s a shame. If they would at least use the german names for it.
I know for some cities existed already polish names, but not for every single village,
they translated them after 1945 to destroy the german culture there.
I know, I just stumbled upon it recently.
We have had our share of people who had to leave their homeland and were not able to see it any more too.
So i understand you, but others have memories of those places too. And borders are more or less returned to year 1000.
Germans hate their deal after both world wars. Poles hate 3 divisions of Poland. Czechs hate "dark age" after 30 y. war and 2 occupations in 20. century.
There are bigger threats to your culture than "small village near Vratislav has polish name now" and muslim immigration may ruin them all..
We have had our share of people who had to leave their homeland and were not able to see it any more too.
So i understand you, but others have memories of those places too. And borders are more or less returned to year 1000.
Germans hate their deal after both world wars. Poles hate 3 divisions of Poland. Czechs hate "dark age" after 30 y. war and 2 occupations in 20. century.
There are bigger threats to your culture than "small village near Vratislav has polish name now" and muslim immigration may ruin them all..
Of course, it´s not good that we fight each other this days, the demographic and social problem we will face this
century will decide if Europa dies or will survive. And even if you think, pf we don´t have immigration let Germany
become Afrikanistan, who will be the next in their Djihad? The east of course.
Anyway EU already said the immigration will be stretched to all countries soon.
So we must be brothers now. But what I demand is, that not only Germans accept their crimes,
but also all others. To expell all the Germans was definitly a crime, partly even genocide,
but still the Benes decrets are not abolished. And that inside the EU, that´s a big shame.
Of course I don´t blame you or any normal people for it, but the ones who could change it.
century will decide if Europa dies or will survive. And even if you think, pf we don´t have immigration let Germany
become Afrikanistan, who will be the next in their Djihad? The east of course.
Anyway EU already said the immigration will be stretched to all countries soon.
So we must be brothers now. But what I demand is, that not only Germans accept their crimes,
but also all others. To expell all the Germans was definitly a crime, partly even genocide,
but still the Benes decrets are not abolished. And that inside the EU, that´s a big shame.
Of course I don´t blame you or any normal people for it, but the ones who could change it.
Arminius 1871 , I see U watched to much german's history movies and national geografic...congratulations
Idc
I'm not crying . I do not want you to ever apologized . I wish he visited every one who started the war , why has begun.
What to plan for 1935 is Poland and France had to step into the Third Reich. I wish that did not happen . Only that the Polish nationalists not built factories of death, nor any other in the world. Germany so . Well, communists but it was not a nation .
Stalin changed the boundaries and no poles . And it was not a robbery. If someone starts a war because he wants to conquer the world. Murdered millions of people it has to reckon with the fact that suffer the consequences . The truth ? Had Germany won me , my family , all I know anyway. It was not by Poles, Russians , Ukrainians , Gypsies and Jews do . Survive only those who you serve , helped . Slaves .
And as for the German victory in World War I - that you really believe that the German Empire would be the place for Poles ? Imperial Germany's policy towards minorities was awful . The Empire sooner or later there would be no place for someone other than Germany.
"I can not respect someone who did in 1945 exactly the same as the Nazis , it makes both equal criminal . " - Explain to me what you like and who did it? Exactly the same thing? Really?
Who in 1945 built the camps of the Holocaust ? The Nazis ? In what language spoke guards in the camps ? Chinese? Spanish? Maybe Polish ? No, I spoke German . I write what really happened. It was the Germans killed half of Europe . No Nazis from space only inhabitants of the land between the Rhine and Konigsberg .
" Also do not forget the blood Bromberger Sunday in 1939 " - Are you kidding? How can you compare the fight against traitors , Polish citizens of German nationality and the murder of 10,000 people? In the first days of the occupation of German reprisals were also due to drag from the invading troops of the Wehrmacht by the local Civic Guard , which Germany is contrary to international law recognized for the formation of a guerrilla . Later, both of these events have become a pretext for occupying forces to carry out the extermination of the Polish political elite and intellectual in Bydgoszcz. Goebbels propaganda has made many efforts to events in Bydgoszcz are shown in a moving and constituted propaganda justification for the German policy of extermination carried out on Polish territory ( mainly in the north ) .
Polish historians estimate that in the period September 1939 - spring 1940 the occupiers killed in Pomerania from 36 to 50 thousands of Poles and Jews. In turn, the German historian Dieter Schenk has calculated that in 1939-1945 the direct executions of Germans killed in these areas from 52 794 to 60 750 people.
Read:
Böhler, Jochen (2006). Auftakt zum Vernichtungskrieg. Die Wehrmacht in Polen 1939. Frankfurt am Main: Fischer.
There are also other authors.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jochen_Böhler
What to plan for 1935 is Poland and France had to step into the Third Reich. I wish that did not happen . Only that the Polish nationalists not built factories of death, nor any other in the world. Germany so . Well, communists but it was not a nation .
Stalin changed the boundaries and no poles . And it was not a robbery. If someone starts a war because he wants to conquer the world. Murdered millions of people it has to reckon with the fact that suffer the consequences . The truth ? Had Germany won me , my family , all I know anyway. It was not by Poles, Russians , Ukrainians , Gypsies and Jews do . Survive only those who you serve , helped . Slaves .
And as for the German victory in World War I - that you really believe that the German Empire would be the place for Poles ? Imperial Germany's policy towards minorities was awful . The Empire sooner or later there would be no place for someone other than Germany.
"I can not respect someone who did in 1945 exactly the same as the Nazis , it makes both equal criminal . " - Explain to me what you like and who did it? Exactly the same thing? Really?
Who in 1945 built the camps of the Holocaust ? The Nazis ? In what language spoke guards in the camps ? Chinese? Spanish? Maybe Polish ? No, I spoke German . I write what really happened. It was the Germans killed half of Europe . No Nazis from space only inhabitants of the land between the Rhine and Konigsberg .
" Also do not forget the blood Bromberger Sunday in 1939 " - Are you kidding? How can you compare the fight against traitors , Polish citizens of German nationality and the murder of 10,000 people? In the first days of the occupation of German reprisals were also due to drag from the invading troops of the Wehrmacht by the local Civic Guard , which Germany is contrary to international law recognized for the formation of a guerrilla . Later, both of these events have become a pretext for occupying forces to carry out the extermination of the Polish political elite and intellectual in Bydgoszcz. Goebbels propaganda has made many efforts to events in Bydgoszcz are shown in a moving and constituted propaganda justification for the German policy of extermination carried out on Polish territory ( mainly in the north ) .
Polish historians estimate that in the period September 1939 - spring 1940 the occupiers killed in Pomerania from 36 to 50 thousands of Poles and Jews. In turn, the German historian Dieter Schenk has calculated that in 1939-1945 the direct executions of Germans killed in these areas from 52 794 to 60 750 people.
Read:
Böhler, Jochen (2006). Auftakt zum Vernichtungskrieg. Die Wehrmacht in Polen 1939. Frankfurt am Main: Fischer.
There are also other authors.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jochen_Böhler
I agree that Hitler wanted to conquer Lebensraum in the east, and that he wanted to germanize the german-looking west-slavics. But not the farmers in Schlesien or any women or children started or wanted this war, it was not right to kill and expell 15 million Germans from the east and steal their homeland. That makes the Russians, Poles and Czechs not better than the Nazis in my eyes.
Hahahahaha, do you really believe that Poles or Russians liked jews??? They murdered them already in the interwar era, of course not in huge camps, but noone ever liked the jews in Europa. This is just a propaganda trick to say, only Germans hated them, tho all the world did. Just remember Holodomor in Ukraine!
Do you know from which countries the members of the Wehrmacht, SS and camps were, too?? Right from all over Europe!
There were members from France, Hungary, Croatia, Ukraine, Poland, Italy, Spain, Britain, Scandinavia, and in the Africa war, were even arabians and blacks.
Also some Koreans and Japanese were in the Wehrmacht.
So what, you still think only Germany is the evil guy? All did crimes and shit, all of whole Europe! Also your land and leaders!
Aha the Germans who lived in Poland, discriminated and treaten like dirt since 20 years, are traitors when they welcome the german troups to free them from polish brutality at last? Are you kidding me? Forget your image of an innocent Poland, you had brutal ultranationalists, and you can´t deny this! Poland got too much land after the 1. world war, and the german minority never wanted to be polish, they were forced, so they can´t be traitors, when they stay loyal to their real fatherland.
Again: I don´t deny any german crimes, but I want you to accept, that Poland did also these crimes! Poland is not an innocent victim, and half of your state territory is stolen german land. Breslau, Stettin, Danzig, Kolberg they´re all cities built by Germans, and you even destryoed all the german names in every village, to destroy the german past.
And it´s so irritating, that Poles still think, only we must say sorry, and they were ok and did nothing wrong. bullshit, really, just bullshit. Only Germany has grown up and is sorry for the crimes, but noone else in the world is doing the same. But Germans will become more self-confident again, and won´t allow anymore, that people like you offend the german victims of the allied crimes. Innocent women and children that were left in the eastern regions, brutally murdered, only because they´re german.
Hahahahaha, do you really believe that Poles or Russians liked jews??? They murdered them already in the interwar era, of course not in huge camps, but noone ever liked the jews in Europa. This is just a propaganda trick to say, only Germans hated them, tho all the world did. Just remember Holodomor in Ukraine!
Do you know from which countries the members of the Wehrmacht, SS and camps were, too?? Right from all over Europe!
There were members from France, Hungary, Croatia, Ukraine, Poland, Italy, Spain, Britain, Scandinavia, and in the Africa war, were even arabians and blacks.
Also some Koreans and Japanese were in the Wehrmacht.
So what, you still think only Germany is the evil guy? All did crimes and shit, all of whole Europe! Also your land and leaders!
Aha the Germans who lived in Poland, discriminated and treaten like dirt since 20 years, are traitors when they welcome the german troups to free them from polish brutality at last? Are you kidding me? Forget your image of an innocent Poland, you had brutal ultranationalists, and you can´t deny this! Poland got too much land after the 1. world war, and the german minority never wanted to be polish, they were forced, so they can´t be traitors, when they stay loyal to their real fatherland.
Again: I don´t deny any german crimes, but I want you to accept, that Poland did also these crimes! Poland is not an innocent victim, and half of your state territory is stolen german land. Breslau, Stettin, Danzig, Kolberg they´re all cities built by Germans, and you even destryoed all the german names in every village, to destroy the german past.
And it´s so irritating, that Poles still think, only we must say sorry, and they were ok and did nothing wrong. bullshit, really, just bullshit. Only Germany has grown up and is sorry for the crimes, but noone else in the world is doing the same. But Germans will become more self-confident again, and won´t allow anymore, that people like you offend the german victims of the allied crimes. Innocent women and children that were left in the eastern regions, brutally murdered, only because they´re german.
It was not to start a war. You were strong in 1914, a great country, you dreamed up the whole world. How it ended? In 1933, even before you started to dream again. 1000 Year Reich ... And how it ended? Again dream? I wonder what next will have boundaries ...
"german victims of the allied crimes" - interesting. When? Where?
"german victims of the allied crimes" - interesting. When? Where?
"german victims of the allied crimes" - interesting. When? Where?"
Oh Gott, this is the dumbest comment I read in the last weeks, you seem to know nothing...and I don´t want to play teacher again,
let´s stop to discuss, it´s senseless with you....bye
Oh Gott, this is the dumbest comment I read in the last weeks, you seem to know nothing...and I don´t want to play teacher again,
let´s stop to discuss, it´s senseless with you....bye
I did not offend you.
As for the German victims of what I had in mind the fact that Americans, Brits, Germans, the Soviets odpłacili for they previously did.
I can only be sad about the fact that we live between Germany and Russia. How you wanted to fight for world domination this is done in our area.
As for your cries for justice is a quote:
"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled."
As for the German victims of what I had in mind the fact that Americans, Brits, Germans, the Soviets odpłacili for they previously did.
I can only be sad about the fact that we live between Germany and Russia. How you wanted to fight for world domination this is done in our area.
As for your cries for justice is a quote:
"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled."
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