Ok tell me what's it about and why your other fanart twilight getting whipped to death
Ok, the second question is easier, actually, the fragment in the description pretty much tells the story. But in short, a pony broke a law for Twilight, a very important law and he was sentenced to death. She volunteered to share part of the sentence that he won't be executed but instead they will both be whipped.
As for the story... that's a hard question, because a short summary would never give justice to the actual complexity of the plot here.
Basically, Equestria we know from the show is a lie carefully sustained by Celestia to keep ponies happy and innocent, while other ponies that live outside of her realm are fighting in a war to protect it. Her younger brother, prince Terrato (seen on this picture) is leading them to fight against their natural enemies. Twilight accidentally discovers the truth and decides to join the fight to show Celestia how wrong that division is. That's the setting, the story is much more complex, because it shows how characters are changed by the new reality they find themselves in, how their friendships are challenged by other things, like duty, love, jalousie or ambition and how fighting against monsters one has to be very careful not to become a monster himself. There's also a huge amount of world building and expanding on the lore from the show to incorporate all sorts of things. The thing is, the war doesn't really play the main part, especially in the second part of the series. Characters and their individual storied are the main focus.
But like I said, I can't describe 90+ chapters just like that
and if you don't want to read it, there's a brilliant audio version on youtube here:
[link]
As for the story... that's a hard question, because a short summary would never give justice to the actual complexity of the plot here.
Basically, Equestria we know from the show is a lie carefully sustained by Celestia to keep ponies happy and innocent, while other ponies that live outside of her realm are fighting in a war to protect it. Her younger brother, prince Terrato (seen on this picture) is leading them to fight against their natural enemies. Twilight accidentally discovers the truth and decides to join the fight to show Celestia how wrong that division is. That's the setting, the story is much more complex, because it shows how characters are changed by the new reality they find themselves in, how their friendships are challenged by other things, like duty, love, jalousie or ambition and how fighting against monsters one has to be very careful not to become a monster himself. There's also a huge amount of world building and expanding on the lore from the show to incorporate all sorts of things. The thing is, the war doesn't really play the main part, especially in the second part of the series. Characters and their individual storied are the main focus.
But like I said, I can't describe 90+ chapters just like that
and if you don't want to read it, there's a brilliant audio version on youtube here:
[link]
Sound like a blan war story that utterly misses the reason why you and people liked the show and just serves to darken celestia image and the world (like that's never be done before)
its not complex at all its just dark and only idiots think dark makes thinks better
I bet the world building just means add elements we have on earth.
And the monsters are just something lame like trolls
I like the fact that equestria is so different than ours i like the fact that most if there threats can't be better threw violence rather have to be out smarted or threw the power of friendships
And why does equestria have the death penalty
and 90+? no that sounds like it went on far too long
its not complex at all its just dark and only idiots think dark makes thinks better
I bet the world building just means add elements we have on earth.
And the monsters are just something lame like trolls
I like the fact that equestria is so different than ours i like the fact that most if there threats can't be better threw violence rather have to be out smarted or threw the power of friendships
And why does equestria have the death penalty
and 90+? no that sounds like it went on far too long
How exactly can you say that this story is not complex based on my super-brief summary?
If you're not into those kind of things, be my guest, go on liking whatever you like, but please don't insult other people, especially if you don't have a clue what are you talking about. Besides, I don't like this story because it's dark, I like it because it's a good story. And it's a good story because it takes it's time to develop its characters and plot.
If you're not into those kind of things, be my guest, go on liking whatever you like, but please don't insult other people, especially if you don't have a clue what are you talking about. Besides, I don't like this story because it's dark, I like it because it's a good story. And it's a good story because it takes it's time to develop its characters and plot.
Ok
so tell me about this war is it cold or hot? why is the other side fighting for? why does equestria need to be 1984 knock off
if its hot How hot. Its it total war? how can both sides maintain a war that you implied has been going for 1000 years? Europe was almost broken in just 4 years of ww1 the US which has the best funded military can only wage total warfare for ten years and a large part of its economic problems is because of the two wars it just had
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so tell me about this war is it cold or hot? why is the other side fighting for? why does equestria need to be 1984 knock off
if its hot How hot. Its it total war? how can both sides maintain a war that you implied has been going for 1000 years? Europe was almost broken in just 4 years of ww1 the US which has the best funded military can only wage total warfare for ten years and a large part of its economic problems is because of the two wars it just had
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like I said before, the war is not the main focus of the story, it's just one of many things that are going on at the time, but I will try to answer your questions.
First of all, it's not one enemy, but three, who also fight among themselves, probably more than with Equestria. Each of those enemies has a different reasons and motivation and none of them are trolls. It's not a total war, in most cases it's a border struggle interrupted by major attract every few decades. And how Equestria and it's enemies can afford it? Well, first of all, it's more of a fantasy/medieval setting so you don't have guns, tanks and bombs, you have swords and crossbows at best, but in most cases it's hooves, teeth and claws with additional armor and heavy use of magic or alchemy. Cities aren't destroyed, and millions of lives lost like in world wars in Europe. The war effort is not heavily relying on industry that can be easily destroyed. Besides between 11th and 17th century you had pretty much constant wars between various European states, some lasted over a hundred years. Equestria (the part that is waging the war at least) is big and rich, has well trained and disciplined army and it's economy is focused on providing to the war effort, like many European states in middle ages, or for example the Roman Empire, than was waging wars and conquering new lands for almost all of its existence. When you don't need few millions of dollars to run an aircraft carrier for a day, you can provide a lot of swords and food for a lot of ponies to fight your wars for a thousand years.
First of all, it's not one enemy, but three, who also fight among themselves, probably more than with Equestria. Each of those enemies has a different reasons and motivation and none of them are trolls. It's not a total war, in most cases it's a border struggle interrupted by major attract every few decades. And how Equestria and it's enemies can afford it? Well, first of all, it's more of a fantasy/medieval setting so you don't have guns, tanks and bombs, you have swords and crossbows at best, but in most cases it's hooves, teeth and claws with additional armor and heavy use of magic or alchemy. Cities aren't destroyed, and millions of lives lost like in world wars in Europe. The war effort is not heavily relying on industry that can be easily destroyed. Besides between 11th and 17th century you had pretty much constant wars between various European states, some lasted over a hundred years. Equestria (the part that is waging the war at least) is big and rich, has well trained and disciplined army and it's economy is focused on providing to the war effort, like many European states in middle ages, or for example the Roman Empire, than was waging wars and conquering new lands for almost all of its existence. When you don't need few millions of dollars to run an aircraft carrier for a day, you can provide a lot of swords and food for a lot of ponies to fight your wars for a thousand years.
Its the lunching point of the whole story it needs to be done in details or the whole thing falls apart.
Wars in Europe middle ages were not endless battle even the hundred year war only had a few dozen battles spaced out a few years due to the time needed to build and move armies and funding them were a major problem
and the Roman empire got its funds form their conqued lands one of the key reasons it felled was once it stopped taking new lands they no longer had the means to fund the state or money needed to protect it now massive boarders a few emperors were killed by revolting legions because we were no longer getting paid.
Hell in the lord of the rings the reason why Mordor is able to feed its massive armies is because mt dooms ash makes its south lands very fertile farm lands and a few footnotes are about orcs running the dark lords client nations and trade
You still need an industry to make armor, medical supplies act. you still need food but you can't grow crops on the battlefield and celestia can't send stuff to the war part because she doesn't want anyone to know about it so this one place in equestria is more or less right out of 1984. and you think this is good?
Why couldn't it been twilight and friends fight a new ancient enemy and after beating it twilight wonders why they never heard about it yet again leading to twilight calling celestia out for downplaying these threats over the years, she doesn't removed history outright just hides them to a point were most only heard about it in history class one day and forget it.
You said yourself the war isn't important so why is it even here? like i said its here because war is grimdark and people still think that somehow means quality
Wars in Europe middle ages were not endless battle even the hundred year war only had a few dozen battles spaced out a few years due to the time needed to build and move armies and funding them were a major problem
and the Roman empire got its funds form their conqued lands one of the key reasons it felled was once it stopped taking new lands they no longer had the means to fund the state or money needed to protect it now massive boarders a few emperors were killed by revolting legions because we were no longer getting paid.
Hell in the lord of the rings the reason why Mordor is able to feed its massive armies is because mt dooms ash makes its south lands very fertile farm lands and a few footnotes are about orcs running the dark lords client nations and trade
You still need an industry to make armor, medical supplies act. you still need food but you can't grow crops on the battlefield and celestia can't send stuff to the war part because she doesn't want anyone to know about it so this one place in equestria is more or less right out of 1984. and you think this is good?
Why couldn't it been twilight and friends fight a new ancient enemy and after beating it twilight wonders why they never heard about it yet again leading to twilight calling celestia out for downplaying these threats over the years, she doesn't removed history outright just hides them to a point were most only heard about it in history class one day and forget it.
You said yourself the war isn't important so why is it even here? like i said its here because war is grimdark and people still think that somehow means quality
yes, wars in Europe were long but not all that intense, the same is true in Upheaval. like I said, few skirmishes on the border and a large campaign every few decades.
I also said that Equestria is a really bug land and almost all of the fighting, if it happens, takes place near the borders. the more central parts of Terrato's lands is calm and safe. crops can be grown there, ores mined and stuff like that.
There are many ancient things Twilight discovers and quite few enemies to fight with. But the war, or more precisely, the enemy countries are there to initiate the division in the first place and create the state of constant danger and the other Equestria.
I don't really see the point in this discussion, because you're trying to discredit the story based on the fact that it has war in it. you don't even consider the possibility that it can be done in a way that make it interesting. Besides, I'm far from saying that everyone will like the story. I can't possibly describe every detail of the story to you. If you're interested in it, read it, if you're not, feel free to walk away and read whatever fanfics you like
As for your last statement, I've read enough grimdark fanfics to know that they not all of them are good. I'd even say that in most cases they aren't. But it doesn't mean there aren't any good grimdark stories and Upheaval is one of the good ones.
I also said that Equestria is a really bug land and almost all of the fighting, if it happens, takes place near the borders. the more central parts of Terrato's lands is calm and safe. crops can be grown there, ores mined and stuff like that.
There are many ancient things Twilight discovers and quite few enemies to fight with. But the war, or more precisely, the enemy countries are there to initiate the division in the first place and create the state of constant danger and the other Equestria.
I don't really see the point in this discussion, because you're trying to discredit the story based on the fact that it has war in it. you don't even consider the possibility that it can be done in a way that make it interesting. Besides, I'm far from saying that everyone will like the story. I can't possibly describe every detail of the story to you. If you're interested in it, read it, if you're not, feel free to walk away and read whatever fanfics you like
As for your last statement, I've read enough grimdark fanfics to know that they not all of them are good. I'd even say that in most cases they aren't. But it doesn't mean there aren't any good grimdark stories and Upheaval is one of the good ones.
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