That's not ENTIRELY true. They haven't seen actual combat.
But after the Berlin wall fell and the USSR turned into the Russian Federation, a Russian squadron of Su-27s made a visit over at Alaska with an F-15 squadron.
The training results were that the F-15 was never able to get to the Su-27s back, while the Su-27 was always able to out turn it, or even make an overpass using the Pugachev Cobra.
As for Mig-29 vs F-15, they saw combat, but the Migs were always used by crappy pilots or had terrible conditions (not enough maintenance, radars did not work, etc.)
When in training exercises between the US air force and the German one (equipped with Mig-29s at the time) it was found that the Mig-29 was able to beat the F-15 every time, not only by out turning it, but also their radars would actually scramble the F-15s radar, leaving them "blind" and easy targets. So, in a "fair" fight, the Mig-19 and Su-27 come out on top.
Amazingly, the airplane that DID manage to beat the Mig-29 (in a training exercise between the Royal Air Force of England, and the German Air Force) was the Panavia Tornado. The exercise showed that if a Tornado passed with a Mig-29, the Migs were never able to catch up or get a lock on because of the speed of the Tornado, and left the Migs open for an attack from the plane's wingman.
But after the Berlin wall fell and the USSR turned into the Russian Federation, a Russian squadron of Su-27s made a visit over at Alaska with an F-15 squadron.
The training results were that the F-15 was never able to get to the Su-27s back, while the Su-27 was always able to out turn it, or even make an overpass using the Pugachev Cobra.
As for Mig-29 vs F-15, they saw combat, but the Migs were always used by crappy pilots or had terrible conditions (not enough maintenance, radars did not work, etc.)
When in training exercises between the US air force and the German one (equipped with Mig-29s at the time) it was found that the Mig-29 was able to beat the F-15 every time, not only by out turning it, but also their radars would actually scramble the F-15s radar, leaving them "blind" and easy targets. So, in a "fair" fight, the Mig-19 and Su-27 come out on top.
Amazingly, the airplane that DID manage to beat the Mig-29 (in a training exercise between the Royal Air Force of England, and the German Air Force) was the Panavia Tornado. The exercise showed that if a Tornado passed with a Mig-29, the Migs were never able to catch up or get a lock on because of the speed of the Tornado, and left the Migs open for an attack from the plane's wingman.
Hmm, I see. Actually what I meant before was something like a real battle between the two aircrafts 
IMO, the flankers are much more agile than the eagles too.
Btw, just like what we've seen in the movies, the F-15 is always be the one who drop the Mig-29. Although I believe they're not even in the same fighter class, so it's not really that fair, hehe
To be honest, I think the Mig-29 itself is a superb fighter too, as long as it's in a good condition, and you're right, it needs an ace pilot 
IMO, the flankers are much more agile than the eagles too.Btw, just like what we've seen in the movies, the F-15 is always be the one who drop the Mig-29. Although I believe they're not even in the same fighter class, so it's not really that fair, hehe
To be honest, I think the Mig-29 itself is a superb fighter too, as long as it's in a good condition, and you're right, it needs an ace pilot You would be surprised to know that Russia does training exercises between Mig-29 squadrons and Su-27 squadrons, and the results always vary. It was shown that neither the Mig-29 or Su-27 have the "upper hand" over each other. They were both, actually, designed to do the same thing: Obtain and maintain air superiority. The Su-27, however, was designed to do it in an offensive, deep inside enemy controlled air space, the Mig-29 was designed to do it defensively, over skies controlled already by the force using it. That's why neither model had (originally) in flight refueling (why give refueling to a fighter that will do one thing, instead of two like the F-16 or F-15) as for ground attack, the Russians used the Su-25 (which people compare to the A-10, but the Su-25 is more nimble).
While the American point of view during the Cold War turned more and more into multi role aircrafts (like the F-4 Phantom II and what came after it) the Russians always mantained a "one aircraft for one task" ideology, so they made one aircraft for air superiority (the Mig-21, later replaced by the Mig-23, later replaced by both the Mig-29 and Su-27), one for interception (the Mig-19, later replaced by the Mig-25, later replaced by the Mig-31) and one aircraft for ground attack (The Su-7, later replaced by the Mig-21bis, later replaced by the Su-25). That's why so many Su-25s were deployed at Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion, but only a handful of Mig-21s were used, and never the Mig-29 or Su-27, for example.
The fact that the Migs and different versions of the Su-27 (Like the Su-30) can do multiple things now is a result of the collapse of the Soviet Union and Russia adopting different tactics and ideologies for its defense from western countries.
While the American point of view during the Cold War turned more and more into multi role aircrafts (like the F-4 Phantom II and what came after it) the Russians always mantained a "one aircraft for one task" ideology, so they made one aircraft for air superiority (the Mig-21, later replaced by the Mig-23, later replaced by both the Mig-29 and Su-27), one for interception (the Mig-19, later replaced by the Mig-25, later replaced by the Mig-31) and one aircraft for ground attack (The Su-7, later replaced by the Mig-21bis, later replaced by the Su-25). That's why so many Su-25s were deployed at Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion, but only a handful of Mig-21s were used, and never the Mig-29 or Su-27, for example.
The fact that the Migs and different versions of the Su-27 (Like the Su-30) can do multiple things now is a result of the collapse of the Soviet Union and Russia adopting different tactics and ideologies for its defense from western countries.
I see, basically both Su-27 and Mig-29 were actually meant for maintaining air superiority From both designs, sure they shared some similarities physically. I'd been wondering all the time though... And I agree with the fact that the Mig-29s are used for defense, I mean they're certainly looked so. Smaller, and looks pretty agile 
Sooo, Russia don't really have the same view on this multirole thing? I wonder if they would create something like F-35 in the end. You know, something like exchanging quantity with quality
From both designs, sure they shared some similarities physically. I'd been wondering all the time though... And I agree with the fact that the Mig-29s are used for defense, I mean they're certainly looked so. Smaller, and looks pretty agile Sooo, Russia don't really have the same view on this multirole thing? I wonder if they would create something like F-35 in the end. You know, something like exchanging quantity with quality
Well, not like the F-35, but more like the F-22. Russia is abandoning their one plane one purpose policy and embracing the multirole aircraft concept for their next generation planes.
Right now Russia is developing, with some funding from India, the Sukhoi T-50 (Russian model) and the FGFA (for India).
Right now is still in prototype (5 were built) and testing is not done, but both countries will introduce them in 2016. This airplane can do everything the F-22 can (including the whole being stealth thing) for a fraction of the price (an F-22 costs 150 millions, and a T-50 will cost only 50 or so millions. The Indian model which will have advanced radar systems will cost double that at 100 millions).
The biggest problem here is that Russia, as always, will be happy to sell this plane to anyone that wants to pay for it regardless of what anyone else says and the plane will be introduced by 2016 when all the testing is done. That means that the USA will have to face the fact that hostile countries, most likely Iran, will suddenly have a Multirole aircraft which is incredibly advanced, and their allies in the area will not (Saudi Arabia and Israel, the two biggest allies of the USA in the middle east have F-15 Eagles). That means that the USA will either need to change its policy of not selling the F-22 to any country (right now the F-22 is considered secret technology and no country but the USA can buy one from Lockheed Martin) or those countries will need to buy the F-35, which while strong and stealthy, it is meant for air defense, and ground attack, not multirole like the F-22 or the Russian Sukhoi T-50. Plus the F-35 costs about 180 million each... so yeah, still a disadvantage. Saudi Arabia, however, is already looking at other markets for 4th generation planes, like the Eurofighter Typhoon.
Right now Russia is developing, with some funding from India, the Sukhoi T-50 (Russian model) and the FGFA (for India).
Right now is still in prototype (5 were built) and testing is not done, but both countries will introduce them in 2016. This airplane can do everything the F-22 can (including the whole being stealth thing) for a fraction of the price (an F-22 costs 150 millions, and a T-50 will cost only 50 or so millions. The Indian model which will have advanced radar systems will cost double that at 100 millions).
The biggest problem here is that Russia, as always, will be happy to sell this plane to anyone that wants to pay for it regardless of what anyone else says and the plane will be introduced by 2016 when all the testing is done. That means that the USA will have to face the fact that hostile countries, most likely Iran, will suddenly have a Multirole aircraft which is incredibly advanced, and their allies in the area will not (Saudi Arabia and Israel, the two biggest allies of the USA in the middle east have F-15 Eagles). That means that the USA will either need to change its policy of not selling the F-22 to any country (right now the F-22 is considered secret technology and no country but the USA can buy one from Lockheed Martin) or those countries will need to buy the F-35, which while strong and stealthy, it is meant for air defense, and ground attack, not multirole like the F-22 or the Russian Sukhoi T-50. Plus the F-35 costs about 180 million each... so yeah, still a disadvantage. Saudi Arabia, however, is already looking at other markets for 4th generation planes, like the Eurofighter Typhoon.
Haha, so it seems that the US would need to think twice about keeping their F-22 program just for their own But I still don't get about the US foreign policy on F-22. I mean the plane itself still has a lot of technical problems and even the Chinese spies managed to steal it's information So what's the deal by keeping it a secret? If they couldn't give an export version, sure thing it would be a trouble to US itself.
But I still don't get about the US foreign policy on F-22. I mean the plane itself still has a lot of technical problems and even the Chinese spies managed to steal it's information So what's the deal by keeping it a secret? If they couldn't give an export version, sure thing it would be a trouble to US itself.F-35 as an alternative? I'll consider it as a high price metal junk Too many "hot" features and eventually would costs billions to your national military budget only to keep their maintenance 
Too many "hot" features and eventually would costs billions to your national military budget only to keep their maintenance Indeed, it's a stealth jet competition going on out there. The only one who took the bravest decision would win 
I'm pretty sure that as soon as the Russian or Indian version becomes fully operational and they start making them for export, and as soon as a country considered dangerous by the USA gets a whole squadron of them, the USA will abandon their policy and export it. Like they did with the F-15 Eagle (some forget that the F-15 was also a no-export plane until the 80s when the 4th generation fighters of the USSR were exported to hostile countries in the Middle east, and North Korea).
Question is: When the time comes, would the US allies actually want to buy an F-22 Raptor? They are quite expensive. Countries like Saudi Arabia and South Korea or Japan wouldn't have a problem with it, I suppose, but other countries? I don't know.
As for why keep it secret? Your guess is as good as mine. USA pride, I guess?
Question is: When the time comes, would the US allies actually want to buy an F-22 Raptor? They are quite expensive. Countries like Saudi Arabia and South Korea or Japan wouldn't have a problem with it, I suppose, but other countries? I don't know.
As for why keep it secret? Your guess is as good as mine. USA pride, I guess?
As I said, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation's armed forces changed their point of view in design for aircraft, tanks, and other vehicles.
So yes, in the future, the Russians will replaced basically all of their fighter aircrafts with the all new multirole stealth aircraft, the Su-50 (also known as the Sukhoi PAK FA), which will replace the Mig-29, Su-27, Mig-31 and Su-30, plus the Su-33 and Mig-29K in the Navy. The plane looks very much like a F-22 Raptor. And not many will be made (about 60 or so), so yes, Russia will change the Quality over quantity ideas they carried over from their Soviet Union era.
As for export (one of Russia's first market is, afterall, export of military material) they have designed a super upgrade of the Mig-29, the Mig-35, that has been considered in par (an sometimes superior) to aircrafts such as the Griphen, the Rafale or the Eurofighter Thypoon. The Mig-35 has, to mention a few things, a more powerful radar, fly by wire controls, in flight refueling probe, more missile pylons (and the missiles can be air to air or air to ground or air to sea missiles), and special turbines that give the aircraft an incredible capability for special maneuvers in the air (like making a 180 turn flat, without loosing altitude) while cheaper than the other fighters, Russia has yet to find someone to sell the aircraft to. (Which is strange, the Mig-35 is awesome from the videos I've seen in YouTube)
So yes, in the future, the Russians will replaced basically all of their fighter aircrafts with the all new multirole stealth aircraft, the Su-50 (also known as the Sukhoi PAK FA), which will replace the Mig-29, Su-27, Mig-31 and Su-30, plus the Su-33 and Mig-29K in the Navy. The plane looks very much like a F-22 Raptor. And not many will be made (about 60 or so), so yes, Russia will change the Quality over quantity ideas they carried over from their Soviet Union era.
As for export (one of Russia's first market is, afterall, export of military material) they have designed a super upgrade of the Mig-29, the Mig-35, that has been considered in par (an sometimes superior) to aircrafts such as the Griphen, the Rafale or the Eurofighter Thypoon. The Mig-35 has, to mention a few things, a more powerful radar, fly by wire controls, in flight refueling probe, more missile pylons (and the missiles can be air to air or air to ground or air to sea missiles), and special turbines that give the aircraft an incredible capability for special maneuvers in the air (like making a 180 turn flat, without loosing altitude) while cheaper than the other fighters, Russia has yet to find someone to sell the aircraft to. (Which is strange, the Mig-35 is awesome from the videos I've seen in YouTube)