as a lesbian teenager, your lesbian teenager obsession actually scares me... "please don’t be a dick to the many LGBTA fans for whom this is a HUGE deal." also, as far as i know youre straight? i personally dont think the ending was any big deal anyway, there are canon and openly gay couples in cartoons, this was not an example of any such thing
No offence Mr Preston but lesbians in cartoons are often just there to pander to men (In the same way that yaoi or slash fiction appeals more to women than men), Yuri Yuru even made a whole series out of it.
1. Duly noted. Don't care. 2. So because I'm straight I'm not allowed to want LGBTA people to enjoy their moment and to shut up people trying to tell them "it's no big deal?" 3. The fact that Korra (and specifically the hashtag korrasami) was trending shortly after it happened, I am going to have to disagree with you on the idea that it's "not a big deal." Clearly a LOT of people DO think it IS a big deal.
Of course the fucking tag was trending, it's full of fucking shippers! Shipping has nothing to do with LGBT or anything in the goddamn real world! You're no different from the idiot yaoi fangirls pretending their stupid ships are somehow progressive. They're not. Shipping's supposed to be a fun pastime and that's it, if you try to pretend it has any actual significance you're a fucking moron. And I say this as a a fucking shipper too.
God I've never run into a person who could make me this angry with one single comment, congratu-fucking-lations!
your journal was obviously about shipping, not progress in social justice there have been much better examples of gay couples existing in cartoons without this creepy over-analytic vibe I just absolutely hate how fetishy this is, its insulting that for gay people to exist in anything they have to only be in "cross your fingers fans, this might be your ship" sort of things. like as if were only things to fangasmicly fap at for adults who think too much about cartoons for teens
You really need to get some perspective here and realize this is about far more than just "shipping." Also, can it still be called "shipping" when the series ENDS with the two characters together? Doesn't that cross the line from ship to canon?
I find it more weird that you wouldn't applaud this. A non fetishised positive relationship between two female characteres in a kids cartoon ends with them getting together? How is being happy the show did this respectfully and tastefully and in a way that sends such a strong positive message "creepy" in your books?
its not the show i found creepy, its people who respond to it like how you did with walls of text, and who have a need to tell people what they should care about
"the series ENDS with the two characters together? Doesn't that cross the line from ship to canon?" thats exactly it. it ends with them not together in a romantic sense, but like literally theyre there together... theyre going on a trip woohoo thats not romance, thats not groundbreaking, there have been gay couples in cartoons that ya know actually are together romantically for real (sailor moon is an example that everyone remembers offhand)
respectful and tasteful are always keywords for minuscule implication its like Dumbledore all over again but this time, not even any confirmation
Yeah... Heaven forbid that I, a fan of the show, write about his thoughts on a positive message the show (i am a fan of) ends with.... in my personal journal... on my own page....
So "weird" for me to do that!
The problem you seem to misunderstand is that while gay characters have existed in other cartoons... the majority of those are in cartoons not meant for kids, or from other cultures where such standards aren't as strict as they are here in America. And you also seem to completely ignore the social stigmas and constructs that force most childrens programing from not even TOUCHING this subject matter out of fear of reprisal.
EVEN IF they're "just friends" as you state, it's STILL a positive message and a wonderful relationship between two female characters. You can't deny that. And you wanna know why this is important? Read this article: www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywoo…
korra isnt really a kids show, its more for older teens and its not even aired on tv, and social stigma against gay people does indeed exist in japan and is about on par with america albeit in a different way but i wont go on about that
i never said the show was negative, im barely even talking about the show... ive been talking about fans reactions to not even canon romance (also: i cant read that article right now, drawing and heavily gifed pages are big no-nos with photoshop)
and older men writing huge essays on romantic relationships in what you call a kids cartoon will never not remind me of bronies
You keep missing the point. We can't SHOW 100% no ands-ifs-or-butts-about it same sex romance in a kids show. Even as a joke. To use your Sailor Moon example, that's why they were made "cousins." Censorship restrictions and social taboos refuse to let us do that.
Change is gradual and little things like this ending with Korra and Asami can have long lasting reprocussions. It could open the floodgate on making same sex couples NORMAL in kids cartoons. That's important not just for kids but for our society at large. Tearing down old social barriers is how we progress.
If you've got a problem with me writing about this, then take it up with actual journalistic progessionals even older than me who are writing about why this is a big deal.
I was only aware that the one in that group of girls still considered a child was chihiro, whom I did not include. No not pornography in the slightest. Creepy, that's fine if you feel that way. But please don't accuse people of things they didn't do just to try and score a point, alright?
Maybe because to her it's creepy that a 33 year old man is spending all his time obsessing over a teenage lesbian couple while she herself is a teenage lesbian? (a point you conveniently ignored from her first comment)
But that can't be it, she surely doesn't know the impact this has in a kid's cartoon - that was pulled from TV and appeals more towards teens and young adults, not kids.
Also according to your "logic", apparently I'm romantically in love with my friends because I love going on adventures with them alone. Mostly for walks to catch up. Do you ever stop to read what you wrote before pressing the submit button?
I'm not sure why you care more about a lesbian ship than you do the feelings of an actual lesbian commenting that they're uncomfortable with a straight man being into a teenage lesbian shipping. When someone pops up in that demographic saying they feel uneasy about it and your response is to say you "don't care"? Telling someone you don't care about their perspective as a lesbian? Not what I'd call progressive in any sense.
I know people are telling you the same thing again in so many words, but it's kind of upsetting to see you not get the point. The feelings of an actual lesbian are more important than your opinions about a fictional ship (even if you say it's not fetishy- that's how most people interpret shipping> especially, and I hate to say it, when it comes to lesbians as straight men fetishise it so much). Pretty simple. Disagreeing is cool, but invalidating her experience and feelings on the situation isn't.
Media representation is nice, but direct and understanding communication with community members is far more human and needed, don't you think?
Whatever you do, though, don't wind up laying on the bathroom floor bleeding out the ears and slowly dying like poor Mr. Black after trying to figure out that line....
Pretty simple really. From where I sit, the framing of the scenes, the music, the looks, the voice acting, everything about the ending is SCREAMING that they're a couple of SOME kind. Bi, homosexual, heterosexual, take your pick. But you cannot deny that the way everything was constructed was not INTENTIONALLY putting them together. When it's so obvious that news sites are commenting about it being a thing of progress, you better believe I find it weird if a REAL gay person says "nah there's nothing there."
I mean, everyone's entitled to their opinions, so fine. Let them have that if they want? But attacking people over it? Yeah that's wrong. Stop that.
>> But attacking people over it? Yeah that's wrong. Stop that.
I don't see how me asking why you felt that way was me attacking you over it. Although I do disagree with how large its actual impact is, I certainly appreciate you sharing your opinion with me.
Dobson, for fuck's sake, you're the one who needs some perspective. The fact that you don't give a shit about what an actual lesbian thinks just proves that this has nothing to do with making progress. And seriously, when someone tells you that your obsession is super creepy, that's a sign that you need to rethink what you're doing with your life.
I hardly think writing a journal about a trending topic (go look it up, this ending is being talked about all over the internet) and occasionally retweeting korrasami art from time to time as "obsessive." If that's obsessive then you better watch out for my Star Trek obsession. (hint: I own several Star Trek uniforms).
It's hardly "from time to time" when you do it several times a day. And you're a 33 year old man freaking out over teenage girls. You really don't see anything wrong with that?
Oh? I wrote several journals a day about this? Curious... please point them out to me.
Unless you mean my tweets... cuz that's just me responding to what I consider a fairly big current event trend.
I mean, was I "obsessing" when I talked about Robin William's death? Or about GamerGate? Or about Trey Martin? Or about the Sony leaks? Or about any news related to Nintendo? It's kinda like you guys are trying to shame me for talking about current events in my own journal... and that's just pathetic.
Yes, I mean your tweets. And "responding to a big current event trend?" Are you just doing this because it's popular and you want to be one of the cool kids? Also, I did not mention any of that other stuff. You don't need to tie this back to Gamergate for no reason.
Also, since you just used it, cuz is not proper English. Stop using it in your comics.
Occasionally? You've had nights where all you did was retweet Korrasami fanart as a method to calm down - including one with the characters as toddlers. TODDLERS!!!
Yes but that's less creepy- because it's link- and since he doesn't really talk in his source games...no one can really relate to him... I get the feeling that if you played Persona 3 you'd be one of those guys who refuses to accept Yukari is flawed as a person and a real b word in the expansion FES and has plenty of growing up to do [which she dose do and becomes far more likeable] and refuse to put her with anyone but Mitsuru and then attack characters like Yosuke from the 4th game because you decided to get lazy and just watch the anime where the characterization is 100% off from the source material
Right- sorry about that the games are great though- the characters [especially in P4] feel like people and it can be pretty easy to determine who you'd probably be friends with and who you would most likely keep away from and who you can relate to. [of course seeing the characters as people requires you to play their social links, which requires time and building up stats so definitely build up your stats for your first playthrough and then focus on Social links for the second one, and unfortunately for P3 most of the social links are with girls and no matter what you do you wind up dating ALL OF THEM...but that's only in P3 as the male protagonist] wow I just went on a Persona tangent there...
no. Going on to defend it like you do now in the last 24 hours, insulting someone who is lesbian and has a different opinion anbout it, blocking others etc, that shows you are obsessive.
Edit: Getting rid of negativity from your life. Wasn't that the sort of saying Elliot Rodgers and co believed in to justify their killing sprees? Frnakly, often time I think people like you would go on and kill their critics in the streets if there was some sort of "anti troll act" that would justify it.
Have fun with seeing way too much in a show that at the end of the day just wanted to tell an awesome story, independent of lesbian undertones put into the last minutes or not. If it is the only thing that keeps you from realizing that at your age you pretty much failed at fullfilling your dreams and that you managed to alienate more people than actually earn their respect, good for you. It will make the day reality comes crushing down on you so much sweeter.
I only hope that till this day you stopped gay bashing. Obviously you are now trying to slut shame a teenaged lesbian for not confirming to your personal believes in lesbianism, just like feminazis think that every woman that actually wants to have kids on their own free will is a traitor to their gender and cause.
No, that shows that I have different opinions that others don't like and try to troll me with. When people start insulting me, like you're doing, and launching into tirades about "dem evil SJW's! and der agendas!" you bet your ass I'm gonna block them.
That's not "obsession." That's getting rid of negativity from your life.
I'm not gonna apologize for admitting to liking something. And if liking Korra and Asami's relationship together through the course of several seasons is "creepy," then you've got a beef with the rest of the world too. This has been a trending topic for the past day or so, and so many other people are talking about how great this is. So you don't like that I enjoy this? Take it up with everyone else.
You only got into it because it was starting to trend - that's the whole reason. You weren't those fans who jumped onto the show when you first heard of Avatar getting a sequel series after, theorizing what was going to happen with the world you loved, watching each episode and talking to your friends about it, then getting disappointed that most of the writing focused more on romance. You watched the show because it was popular among your fans and then you got into the Korrasmi hype because people were talking about it and how it was so progressive. That and your obsession with lesbians.
The deal is, this is a lesbian teenager - the kind of person you are preaching about - calling you a creep because you are talking more about the ship like a crazed fanatic than your agenda which creeps her out because she's a teenage lesbian and there's this guy twice her age who is fetish-ing fictional characters that are her age and her sexuality.
1. No, I did not. I've been following Korra since the beginning. I've written many journals about the show (most about the writing and character development). It wasn't until season 3 when actual tangible moments between Korra and Asami's relationship started to be broadcast that I started to get into the idea that "yes, these are a much better couple than being paired up with Mako." And PS: I wasn't alone in thinking this.
2. Um. Yes I was. I found Avatar: The Last Airbender only a few months before the announcement of Korra. I was EXTREMELY excited by the idea of a whole new series set in this world. To say that I wasn't following this from the beginning is ignorance on your part. It's almost like you're trying to craft a narrative history that didn't exist to fit your warped opinions and biases against me? Conformational bias perhaps?
3. Being disappointed in the writing is actually something that I DID have an issue with. Like I said, I've written many journals about Korra, and probably my most famous one was when I "quit" the series after the abysmal ending of the first season.
4. You're darn tootin' I got into the show because it was popular. That's how popularity works. People like something and others realize "hey, this might be good, let me take a look!"
5. Yeah. I'm a man. I like women. I like women being together. No secret there. What, you want a medal for pointing that out? The difference is that even though I clearly like women, I can also RESPECT women and want safe environments for them in fandoms and geek/nerd culture.
6. PSSST.... the people who drew and animated Korra and wrote the music and wrote the story and voice acted them? THEY'RE ALL ADULTS TWICE HER AGE. I resent any notion that just because I'm older that I must not be allowed to enjoy stuff anymore.
7. I'm severely disappointed you glossed over my obvious obsession with wanting Mako and Prince Wu to hook up. Out of all the "obsessive" things I've apparently done in regards to Korra, you'd think that would serve your purpose of discrediting my views a lot better...
Well you're not respecting charlomilk. She thinks it's creepy you're obsessed with this ship.
And the difference between the people who work on the show and the creepy fan is they are doing it for both the love of their work and the money they hope to earn. They are doing this as entertainers.
You on the other hand. It's not a problem to like stuff meant for a younger audience, but when you make it seem like you're a creepy pervert fetish-ing these characters (And you do come off like that), it makes them wonder what you could be thinking about them.
She can think it's creepy all she wants. Doesn't change that it's a trending topic that a lot of other people have devoted a lot of time and energy into analyzing and contributing to.
Well this is where we're gonna have to agree to disagree. I mean, I could say that Tim Burton's use of Johnny Depp in his movies is creepy and borderline obsessive, but does that actually make it true? Point is, it's an opinion, not a fact. And she's perfectly in her right to have her opinion about me. I'm not gonna dispute that. Doesn't necessarily make it true though
It's again not about the fact that the topic is trending but more so towards your reaction towards it that creeps her out - to her you come off as a creepy pedophile who fetishes her for her age and sexuality based on how you're reacting to the pairing itself. It sounds like she's afraid you might come after her.
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"please don’t be a dick to the many LGBTA fans for whom this is a HUGE deal." also, as far as i know youre straight?
i personally dont think the ending was any big deal anyway, there are canon and openly gay couples in cartoons, this was not an example of any such thing
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2. So because I'm straight I'm not allowed to want LGBTA people to enjoy their moment and to shut up people trying to tell them "it's no big deal?"
3. The fact that Korra (and specifically the hashtag korrasami) was trending shortly after it happened, I am going to have to disagree with you on the idea that it's "not a big deal." Clearly a LOT of people DO think it IS a big deal.
Of course the fucking tag was trending, it's full of fucking shippers! Shipping has nothing to do with LGBT or anything in the goddamn real world! You're no different from the idiot yaoi fangirls pretending their stupid ships are somehow progressive. They're not. Shipping's supposed to be a fun pastime and that's it, if you try to pretend it has any actual significance you're a fucking moron. And I say this as a a fucking shipper too.
God I've never run into a person who could make me this angry with one single comment, congratu-fucking-lations!
there have been much better examples of gay couples existing in cartoons without this creepy over-analytic vibe
I just absolutely hate how fetishy this is, its insulting that for gay people to exist in anything they have to only be in "cross your fingers fans, this might be your ship" sort of things. like as if were only things to fangasmicly fap at for adults who think too much about cartoons for teens
I find it more weird that you wouldn't applaud this. A non fetishised positive relationship between two female characteres in a kids cartoon ends with them getting together? How is being happy the show did this respectfully and tastefully and in a way that sends such a strong positive message "creepy" in your books?
its people who respond to it like how you did with walls of text, and who have a need to tell people what they should care about
"the series ENDS with the two characters together? Doesn't that cross the line from ship to canon?"
thats exactly it. it ends with them not together in a romantic sense, but like literally theyre there together... theyre going on a trip woohoo
thats not romance, thats not groundbreaking, there have been gay couples in cartoons that ya know
actually are together romantically for real (sailor moon is an example that everyone remembers offhand)
respectful and tasteful are always keywords for minuscule implication
its like Dumbledore all over again but this time, not even any confirmation
So "weird" for me to do that!
The problem you seem to misunderstand is that while gay characters have existed in other cartoons... the majority of those are in cartoons not meant for kids, or from other cultures where such standards aren't as strict as they are here in America. And you also seem to completely ignore the social stigmas and constructs that force most childrens programing from not even TOUCHING this subject matter out of fear of reprisal.
EVEN IF they're "just friends" as you state, it's STILL a positive message and a wonderful relationship between two female characters. You can't deny that. And you wanna know why this is important? Read this article: www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywoo…
i never said the show was negative, im barely even talking about the show... ive been talking about fans reactions to not even canon romance
(also: i cant read that article right now, drawing and heavily gifed pages are big no-nos with photoshop)
and older men writing huge essays on romantic relationships in what you call a kids cartoon will never not remind me of bronies
You keep missing the point. We can't SHOW 100% no ands-ifs-or-butts-about it same sex romance in a kids show. Even as a joke. To use your Sailor Moon example, that's why they were made "cousins." Censorship restrictions and social taboos refuse to let us do that.
Change is gradual and little things like this ending with Korra and Asami can have long lasting reprocussions. It could open the floodgate on making same sex couples NORMAL in kids cartoons. That's important not just for kids but for our society at large. Tearing down old social barriers is how we progress.
If you've got a problem with me writing about this, then take it up with actual journalistic progessionals even older than me who are writing about why this is a big deal.
And all those big boob milked anime girls
Even if you don't count it as porn, its still creepy as hell
And if you feel that way, then why vague-tweet so much
Its a low way for you to "score a point" as you call it
Maybe because to her it's creepy that a 33 year old man is spending all his time obsessing over a teenage lesbian couple while she herself is a teenage lesbian? (a point you conveniently ignored from her first comment)
But that can't be it, she surely doesn't know the impact this has in a kid's cartoon - that was pulled from TV and appeals more towards teens and young adults, not kids.
Also according to your "logic", apparently I'm romantically in love with my friends because I love going on adventures with them alone. Mostly for walks to catch up.
Do you ever stop to read what you wrote before pressing the submit button?
I'm not sure why you care more about a lesbian ship than you do the feelings of an actual lesbian commenting that they're uncomfortable with a straight man being into a teenage lesbian shipping. When someone pops up in that demographic saying they feel uneasy about it and your response is to say you "don't care"? Telling someone you don't care about their perspective as a lesbian? Not what I'd call progressive in any sense.
I know people are telling you the same thing again in so many words, but it's kind of upsetting to see you not get the point. The feelings of an actual lesbian are more important than your opinions about a fictional ship (even if you say it's not fetishy- that's how most people interpret shipping> especially, and I hate to say it, when it comes to lesbians as straight men fetishise it so much). Pretty simple. Disagreeing is cool, but invalidating her experience and feelings on the situation isn't.
Media representation is nice, but direct and understanding communication with community members is far more human and needed, don't you think?
Whatever you do, though, don't wind up laying on the bathroom floor bleeding out the ears and slowly dying like poor Mr. Black after trying to figure out that line....
You find it weird that an actual homosexual person doesn't agree with your interpretation of the ending of Korra?
I mean, everyone's entitled to their opinions, so fine. Let them have that if they want? But attacking people over it? Yeah that's wrong. Stop that.
I don't see how me asking why you felt that way was me attacking you over it. Although I do disagree with how large its actual impact is, I certainly appreciate you sharing your opinion with me.
Unless you mean my tweets... cuz that's just me responding to what I consider a fairly big current event trend.
I mean, was I "obsessing" when I talked about Robin William's death? Or about GamerGate? Or about Trey Martin? Or about the Sony leaks? Or about any news related to Nintendo?
It's kinda like you guys are trying to shame me for talking about current events in my own journal... and that's just pathetic.
Also, since you just used it, cuz is not proper English. Stop using it in your comics.
Edit: He blocked me after this conversation. :/ Blockor strikes again!
I've also got a ton of pictures of Link in my favorites here on DA. Does that make me obsessive about Link too?
I get the feeling that if you played Persona 3 you'd be one of those guys who refuses to accept Yukari is flawed as a person and a real b word in the expansion FES and has plenty of growing up to do [which she dose do and becomes far more likeable] and refuse to put her with anyone but Mitsuru and then attack characters like Yosuke from the 4th game because you decided to get lazy and just watch the anime where the characterization is 100% off from the source material
the games are great though- the characters [especially in P4] feel like people and it can be pretty easy to determine who you'd probably be friends with and who you would most likely keep away from and who you can relate to. [of course seeing the characters as people requires you to play their social links, which requires time and building up stats so definitely build up your stats for your first playthrough and then focus on Social links for the second one, and unfortunately for P3 most of the social links are with girls and no matter what you do you wind up dating ALL OF THEM...but that's only in P3 as the male protagonist]
wow I just went on a Persona tangent there...
Edit: Getting rid of negativity from your life. Wasn't that the sort of saying Elliot Rodgers and co believed in to justify their killing sprees? Frnakly, often time I think people like you would go on and kill their critics in the streets if there was some sort of "anti troll act" that would justify it.
Have fun with seeing way too much in a show that at the end of the day just wanted to tell an awesome story, independent of lesbian undertones put into the last minutes or not. If it is the only thing that keeps you from realizing that at your age you pretty much failed at fullfilling your dreams and that you managed to alienate more people than actually earn their respect, good for you. It will make the day reality comes crushing down on you so much sweeter.
I only hope that till this day you stopped gay bashing. Obviously you are now trying to slut shame a teenaged lesbian for not confirming to your personal believes in lesbianism, just like feminazis think that every woman that actually wants to have kids on their own free will is a traitor to their gender and cause.
That's not "obsession." That's getting rid of negativity from your life.
Um... I don't need to tell you anything about this, hopefully you get the idea of what you just said on your own.
The deal is, this is a lesbian teenager - the kind of person you are preaching about - calling you a creep because you are talking more about the ship like a crazed fanatic than your agenda which creeps her out because she's a teenage lesbian and there's this guy twice her age who is fetish-ing fictional characters that are her age and her sexuality.
2. Um. Yes I was. I found Avatar: The Last Airbender only a few months before the announcement of Korra. I was EXTREMELY excited by the idea of a whole new series set in this world. To say that I wasn't following this from the beginning is ignorance on your part. It's almost like you're trying to craft a narrative history that didn't exist to fit your warped opinions and biases against me? Conformational bias perhaps?
3. Being disappointed in the writing is actually something that I DID have an issue with. Like I said, I've written many journals about Korra, and probably my most famous one was when I "quit" the series after the abysmal ending of the first season.
4. You're darn tootin' I got into the show because it was popular. That's how popularity works. People like something and others realize "hey, this might be good, let me take a look!"
5. Yeah. I'm a man. I like women. I like women being together. No secret there. What, you want a medal for pointing that out? The difference is that even though I clearly like women, I can also RESPECT women and want safe environments for them in fandoms and geek/nerd culture.
6. PSSST.... the people who drew and animated Korra and wrote the music and wrote the story and voice acted them? THEY'RE ALL ADULTS TWICE HER AGE. I resent any notion that just because I'm older that I must not be allowed to enjoy stuff anymore.
7. I'm severely disappointed you glossed over my obvious obsession with wanting Mako and Prince Wu to hook up. Out of all the "obsessive" things I've apparently done in regards to Korra, you'd think that would serve your purpose of discrediting my views a lot better...
And the difference between the people who work on the show and the creepy fan is they are doing it for both the love of their work and the money they hope to earn. They are doing this as entertainers.
You on the other hand. It's not a problem to like stuff meant for a younger audience, but when you make it seem like you're a creepy pervert fetish-ing these characters (And you do come off like that), it makes them wonder what you could be thinking about them.
Well this is where we're gonna have to agree to disagree. I mean, I could say that Tim Burton's use of Johnny Depp in his movies is creepy and borderline obsessive, but does that actually make it true? Point is, it's an opinion, not a fact. And she's perfectly in her right to have her opinion about me. I'm not gonna dispute that. Doesn't necessarily make it true though
Anyway that's all based on viewpoints.