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PerpetualTwilight21's avatar
Newsflash: a character doesn't HAVE to be real for you to talk about their traits.  *Le GASP* :o It's fine that you don't like Simba - heck, it's fine not to like REAL people - for whatever reasons you have, but telling others that they can't compare reality and fiction just because the result offends you is EXTREMELY childish and thin-skinned.  Believe it or not I wasn't trying to offend you, just point out that children tend to be a lot more selfish and have a lot more flaws in general than adults.  If that doesn't change your opinion of Simba or open your mind up even slightly then fine, whatever: everyone has their own path to follow and I never try to force anything on anyone.  I freely admit that I wasn't mature, selfless, and wise as a child ( in fact I was just the opposite XD ), and if your reply to my comment is anything to go by I would bet everything I own and then some that you weren't either.  Get over yourself.    
Joanna-TLK's avatar
OMG... Have no words. Okay, I'm childish and everything you want - "now you satisfied?". I hope you had a nice time writing your long comment, 'cause it wont change anything. I can understand that's how children are but I don't have to like it. That's all.
PerpetualTwilight21's avatar
Trust me, that wasn't a "long comment".  Not even close.

"... 'cause it wont change anything..."  And if you read what I wrote, you'll see that I don't care if it changes anything.  That wasn't the point of my comment at all: I know when someone has their mind made and is NOT going to change it no matter what, and I never waste my time engaging in debate with such people.  I save my arguments for those who are open to other points of view and can be swayed by a good argument.  Not everyone can, and even the people who can often can't be swayed on every topic.

If you don't like kids that's your right and you're entitled to your opinion.  No mature person will begrudge you that.  However, most people do like kids to some degree and can both understand and forgive their childish mindsets.  So when you pop on a webcomic stating that you don't like a child character on account of his childish attributes, and you don't bother explaining upfront that you just don't like kids in general, you can expect that you might get a comment or two expressing confusion and defending the character.  It's not so much that we care what you think of the character and want to change your mind, it's more that we don't see the character the way you do ( with Simba we're more forgiving of his flaws because we understand that he is a child and thus judge him accordingly ) and we're trying to figure out how you came to conclusions which, to us, seem overly harsh.  Had your original comment said something like "Ugh, I hate cub Simba!  He's such a spoiled, selfish brat.  I understand that many kids his age are, but I don't like kids in general."  then most likely not a single person would have replied to you: there would no longer be any mystery as to how you could judge a kid harshly just for being a kid.  I myself would have scrolled right past your comment with a shrug and an "oh well".  I'm not making any demands on you and I don't care what you think about any given topic.  I'm just offering a bit of friendly advice for the future.  You can take it or leave it as you choose.
Joanna-TLK's avatar
Eh, why do you want to continue this? My comment was I don't like that character, 'cause for me he's acting like a selfish little brat. THAT'S ALL and we all know this Disney's product enough to know why someone can find it irritating.
No need to make an analysis if I like kids in general or am I mature enough to write comment on DA and please, don't tell me what I supposed to do, I'm almost 30 and I don't need any guide :P I wrote it simple earlier: I don't want to DISCUSS about animated character. I don't find it interesting to wonder what if Simba would be real kid etc. If on this page would be - for example - Nuka, I would write I don't like Nuka. Someone else would write Nuka is awesome. And? Nothing.
So I suggest to close this barren conversation.
PerpetualTwilight21's avatar
YOU'RE the one who keeps continuing this, not me.  In a nutshell my last comment was saying "Do what you want and think what you want, but THIS is why people were defending Simba, and you can avoid it in the future IF YOU SO CHOOSE."  I was NOT telling you what to do, and if you understood basic English you would know that ( what part of "I'm making no demands on you" and "here's my advice, you can take it or leave it as you so choose" isn't clear?

I wasn't "making an analysis" of whether or not you like kids in general - you directly state to one of the other people who broached the same topic I did that you do NOT - but even if I WAS making such analyses, you ALSO have no right to tell me what to do ( it goes both ways, sweetheart ), and if I want to make analyses I will bloody well make them.  If you can't handle that, then for the love of god I would suggest you STOP REPLYING TO ME, because as far as I was concerned our conversation was over with my last comment, and I was ready to let it go, then you came back on and fanned the flames saying I said things which I didn't and making it clear that you didn't understand ( but thought you did ) pretty much EVERYTHING I SAID.

You don't want to talk about animated characters?  Well, believe it or not the conversation stopped being about them with our previous two comments.  Again, all I was doing was explaining why your comment elicited the reaction it did so that you could CHOOSE ( again, CHOOSE, I'm not telling you what to do! ) to avoid such back-and-forths in the future.  Again -- and I can not stress this enough --- I don't CARE what you think or how you feel about fictional characters, or even real ones, for that matter.  I was trying to give you a bit of friendly advice, mainly because your replies to me and the other person who commented were very rude and uncalled for ( and if I seemed rude in my first reply, I apologize, as that was not my intent and I am sometimes a bad judge of what will offend and what won't ).

"I don't find it interesting to wonder what if Simba would be real kid etc."  Wow, what conversation are you replying to here?  Cuz I never talked about what if Simba was real, and again, I DON'T CARE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE SIMBA.  THIS CONVERSATION STOPPED BEING ABOUT SIMBA AND FICTIONAL CHARACTERS IN GENERAL A COUPLE OF POSTS AGO.

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So I suggest to close this barren conversation."  I suggest the same.  I don't know if your problem stems from simple immaturity ( I'm 31 and would be embarrassed to behave as you do ) or an inability to understand English very well ( I've visited your profile, seen your comic, and from these I can guess it's not your first language ), but I think we can both agree that nothing constructive is coming out of this.  ( Apologies to to Raven, if she's reading this.  I didn't mean to argue on your page. )
Joanna-TLK's avatar
Look: I don't want to talk anymore. I must say I didn't read this comment, I just took an eye on it. Maybe we just misunderstood and that's the whole thing. Don't know, but personally I'm tired of this. My comment about Simba isn't important at all and I have bigger problems than if someone agree with me or not or if I understood a random internet person's comment properly (or this person mine). So let it be as you wish, really. Have a nice day.
Scorching-MoonLight's avatar
People can be really dumb. I do not like Simba at all. Not even as an adult. And why? Cos I do not find his character interesting. And you opinion is not dumb. These people just dunno what opinion means.
PerpetualTwilight21's avatar
Not the smartest choice you ever made, in my opinion, but whatever.  I don't exactly look forward to seeing your comments in my inbox either.  But I do at least read them.
weasel-girl's avatar
:clap:

I would also like to add my thought if that is all right.

Personally I never saw Simba as a selfish spoiled brat. A lot people point out the "I Just Can't Wait to be King" song as "proof" of his selfishness and being a brat, but I don't think that is the case at all. There are plenty of children who fantasize about being the president of the United States or the ruler of the world or whatever. Doesn't make them brats or selfish. They just don't fully understand that being the president or a leader means a lot of responsibility and most of the time they learn about that as they grow older and mature.
I also personally saw Simba as just a normal kid and honestly don't understand the hatred against him.
PerpetualTwilight21's avatar
Same here!  He seemed like just a normal kid to me.  Maybe a -bit- spoiled and selfish going by the way he speaks to and treats Zazu, but honestly nothing too bad, and not beyond the bounds of what's normal for his age group, I think.  I could be a little toerag too when I was his age, but it wasn't the way I was MOST of the time.  And Simba doesn't seem to be too selfish MOST of the time; he actually seems like a pretty normal, curious, playful little boy who loves his family and doesn't mean to seriously offend anyone.  Just look how hard he took it when his father died, and when he thought he was responsible.  If he were THAT selfish he wouldn't have been so quick to accept blame, and it wouldn't have eaten him up as much as it did.