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AgentWebdog Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2008  Student Digital Artist
Whoot! Okay, okay! First off burn and dodge tools are my favorite photoshop tool, hands down. I absolutely detest hard shading. Not from other people, no, but having to do it myself, yes! XD

Now then, about the image itself; it's very very intresting. The colors and the shading are definately something to nod your head at, and the shading style really helps the viewer distinguish the parts of the body. The only thing I can really say that bothers me, is that maybe the highlights may be a little /to/ strong or frequent, because it draws my eyes, and I find it hard to break away, with out flying directly to another one. The composition of the picture is of course as awesome as usual, and it's not hard to tell what's going on. Conflict caused by Stream. Salah's down at the bottom, and that made me a little confused, (I couldn't tell who, or what that was) but now that I know, I think it was a nice touch to balance out the image! ;3 I really like this coloring style over all, and I would love to see a mix of this and your usual for later works.

You know, though, I don't think I know about half the stuff I'm talking about. X_x; Sorreh. XD
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AgentWebdog Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2008  Student Digital Artist
Ah, you know what? Scratch what I said about the highlights. Wehn I look at the image zoomed out, it makes more sense to me. ;3
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darkspeeds Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
Ha ha! XD Nah man I'm cool with your critique Lin! :) I've taken into consideration what Raul (aka :iconbungie95:) told me as well as others regarding the colouring style and highlights used in the updated version.

The final cover will be combining those elements together to get the most out of a cover that may sell well in the store.

Again I appreciate your comments Lin! = ) Don't be afraid to let me know what you really think in future! :D

Anyways if you don't me I'm going to go off on one with the man who replied to your comment. Please excuse my language.
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AgentWebdog Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2008  Student Digital Artist
Okay. ^^; Personally I love the updated version, I find it a lot easier myself to intake all the true details of the image, and I also noticed it brought out Salah, more.

:)
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darkspeeds Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah... ^^; Man you don't even want to go further on... I've just replied to another of his replies (which was very satisfying for a change - his reply that is) which took me at least an hour to write.

But besides that yeah man I've been hoping to bring out Salah a little more because his colours looked monotoned at first! He looked so dull in terms of colour contrast and appeal that he didn't stand out too well. I'm glad you have reinforced what I have planned to do on Salah's bit! ;)
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suitcase Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2008
Whoa, don't get too critical now. He wasn't interested in flames.
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darkspeeds Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
You know I'm starting to realise my real problem.

The reason why I went off on one regarding critique coming from you two is the batshit you written of me of DA (don't think I haven't realised it, it was bound to happen for cocks like yourself who want some attention).

Pretty clever that you did it in a safe place where you won't get busted for this sort of thing? That is why when you two work together you do it so well that there aren't any loop holes to your sophisticated plans to mock me.

No matter how good your intentions are in the past I didn't ask for advice and I do apologise if I had caused any offense to Veronica (and hence I reacted in a way that shouldn't have been for someone who is pursuing a serious career in publishing cartoons in whatever media works).

Yeah laugh all you want man I'll admit that I can't take the shit you two give me since I saw what you guys wrote about me. At least I'm nice enough not to go spreading the word about it.

So yeah man grow some balls and get a f**kin' clue. I'm only human. If you want to be a racist, egotisitic dick then go elsewhere I have a life, a job and family and friends to look after - not like you how spends most the time dissing others for the sake of personal entertainment. I can't stand this sort of people - ESPECIALLY when I knew a friend who is a friend of theirs and I had full respect for their work, good will and wellbeing.

Egotistic, racist, got-better-than-nothing-to-do pigs random people in street dissin' me, I can take without a hitch. Easy.

Friends I knew of for a long time who suddenly get pissed, turning their backs on me and are egotistic, racist, got-better-than-nothing-to-do pigs - that I can't take. It's a like the lowest of lows in the walks of my life.

So you're wondering now why I went off one when I received Veronica's previous reply? I wasn't going off on her critique. I know her critique has always been excellent - no doubt about that (yeah you can put that one in the books, I've never dissed her critique - only disagreed with some of the stuff she said about my art which is fair for the average-to-humble artist). I always liked the way she says about how this is wrong and how this can be done to be improved - I knew of the good intentions behind it. But you can go f**k youself cuz I hate it when their partners get upset because of the possible misery I've caused for disagreeing something they've said and they retaliate in the alleyways with words and images that speak things that take the piss out of or is nothing like me IRL.

Hate losing friends this way man, and that's why when I see your feedback or Veronica's here on DA or anywhere else I just can't look at it with an honest face. Not anymore man... Sick of it already.

Go f**k a flame somewhere else man, I don't need that shit, treating as if I can't seriously take critique.
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suitcase Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2008
We had no sophisticated plans. ED is a funny place to mock internet drama, and you were dramatic enough to warrant it. Look at my profile there, you're hardly the first person I've written or contributed to an article about.

Anyway, ok, I admit I'm a bit satisfied I got such a reaction from you but there's nothing of much value in the above post, just ranting. But I can assure you this was far more a matter of teasing a Deviantart whore and exploiting the multiple ways in which their original series can be parodied than it was an effort to defame the AZN race and carefully set you up for a mental breakdown.

So maybe you can't look at our criticism with an "honest face" (I think I know what you mean) but I'd appreciate it if you did look at our posts. All you've done is focus on an aside I impulsively wrote to someone else while skimming the comments on this work, and ignored the valid comment I spent half an hour researching and writing. Kinda like you ignored Veronica's, by more or less saying "look another suck-up friend of mine told me it needed more dodge tool, now it's fixed! Thanks for the ideas I didn't read though."

This cuts to the problem you do have with critique and part of the reason I\we bothered to make an ED article about you - it's not that you prefer your DA page to be crit-free, but that you are extremely selective about who you take criticism from and what you will actually adopt in your future drawings. It has meant that you've taken ages to develop as an artist, still basically draw Sonic art, and yet despite this you falsely convey the idea that you do consider real critique and have a genuine interest in improving your work. Though I suppose I should stop writing now because I'm sure being able to recognise what Ashworth actually looks like is a prerequisite for your "crits acceptable" shortlist. :|
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darkspeeds Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
You know when I came back from work at Toll IPEC I was not looking forward to this (in all honesty) but surprisingly your reply was satisfying and genuine. I'm starting to feel a sense of closure in all of this and I thank you for that.


However I'm not done with you yet. I've still got a few more things I wanted to vent out those very nights before I even seen Darkspeeds in ED while I was in London.


Then again, I don't give two shits if it was someone else writing crap about me - I can laugh it off all I want and honour it on my journal. But NOT when it's from people whom I was going to be friends for real and who were once people I highly respected for their work and commitment to making the most of life in Australia out of my own goodwill.

Let me start by saying this...


I almost wanted to come over to Sydney and kick your ass for even putting that Korean son-of-a-bitch who f**kin' murdered those poor students... 15 of them. Images can be very powerful tool to mock people, and when I saw that diagram of me and Cho, it made me wonder why I was even associated with him - even if it was a joke.

No f**king joke mate.

You want to know something? I was there. I was in the United States, Washington when that happened. Remember my world tour in 2007? My tour group and I... WE were passing along Virginia. The news broke out when we reached our campsite that night.

Everyone was in silence that day. We prayed f**ckin' hard to those families who had lost their loved ones, people who were bright and had potential to make a great career in their lives.

I was with my group and we talked about it in the campfire. We were shocked, feeling pity, benevolent, respectful and very fortunate to be alive. We had two Koreans in our group of 9... They were extremely ashamed and upset that it happened... We had to even help them cheer up a little to move on that night.

I gave my own moments of silence at 1AM, I saw the stars and wished those who died and got seriously injured in the shoot-out my deepest blessings.

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And you have this Cho dude, that nutter, to somewhat represent my AZN pride behaviour...?

*shooks head*

Oh man... You did good. You did good... So good that I wanted to kick the f**king daylights out of you. So much that for a start you have no idea what AZN truly means, secondly you have no idea how I HATE and have NO RESPECT for the AZN mentality (f**k those Chinese who are bloody proud of themselves and thinking they are superior!) I was really pissed that you implied I was anything like THEM... I'm fuckin' Aussie mate, harden the fuck up ya dick!

Sure I was defending my claims in a most childish way - "My art is just as good, I don't need your (i.e. Veronica's or yours) critique, I prefer it from a pro so meh!". Sound all too familiar?

Fuck that man, I was just playing around and being ignorant the whole time. But that doesn't mean I have a pride of an AZN.

I'm proud being an Aussie and not the AZN that you implied me to be. You're lucky I didn't even use the 'C' word when cursing you, I'm not that low, I don't play it like that, not like you.

You have associated me with the guys I unfortunately hanged around with at 1st year Uni? Had hundreds of Asians in my campus, there was a mix of good and bad (anything in life is like a double-edge sword anyway). Those Asian bastards (particularly the Chinese) who don't give a shit about their parents and their studies, those low-life scumbags who smoke in class, are lazy bitches who spit on the floor (shows how rude and ugly some humans are), drive fucking Ferraris and pay top dollar for getting people to do their assignments?? I had to work with these dim-wits mate. I have total lack of respect for those people because they were spoon-fed with AZN goodness. Fuck you for thinking I was like them (joke or no joke). See where I'm coming from? I'm proud to be an Aussie, working class-man who is paying off bills, drive a humble Toyota Corolla to work and buy groceries so that I can feed the family and spend quality time with them. I'm enjoying life the way an honest and humble man should be. I got my degree too and I got it the hard way because I HATED uni because of those lazy ass bitches I had to work with.

You ever associate me with that Cho dude or even mention AZN of me in a serious manner you'll be sorry that you won't even be able to say it with your mouth wide open.

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*phew!*

There. I'm done with venting.

Screw the breast sizes of Ruby. I actually did listen to Veronica's advice in the long run and I'm slowly improving on how I'm drawing the breasts of girls. If I'm still not making improvements then sue me.

Screw the fan-batshit thing, I lived with fans who thinks TGAF is the greatest thing and is also the worst rip-off piece of shit in their life. I'm dealing with it.

Screw the rest of the stuff mentioned on your Darkspeeds' ED, they don't matter to me as much as the AZN thing.


So yeah no apologies to you in that aspect. But in all fairness apologies to you if I had hurt Veronica's feelings in the past with my ignorance and also for pissing you off Oliver with my ignorance.

That's the truth and nothing but the truth. I'm actually happy to say that without feeling anything holding me back.


The future.


I know it's hard to accept advice from you guys next time but I know for sure that it will never go away because you guys have strong intentions of making the best out of my work from the very beginning which can be seen as an extremely good thing. I was targeting Veronica because I was not used to the way she wrote her feedback online. It sounded LOUD if you know what I mean... (well I guess you wouldn't really, which is alright). I've learnt for a fact that it's so much more different when communicating via text and sound. I may have interpreted hers and your feedback differently on the mic/phone/IRL voice than in text.

But yeah I dunno, I don't know where this will go off from now. I seriously need a break from this.

It's sad and immature of me that I had even considered just hiding your comments in future and listen to the rest of people's feedback on a new deviation of mine that has an 'advanced critique' tag on it. But then again that won't really be a true solution since you'll just get pissed off at me for ignoring again.

I know it won't go away but yeah... I dunno... I'll see what I'll do.

Like I said I can't look at feedback from you guys with an honest face anymore, not after what went through between us. I still can’t believe how nasty you can be Veronica when you feel really hurt about what I said you have no idea that the things you said about ONE PIECE and Sonic the Hedgehog (some of the most important foundations of my art and inspirations), and the things you said about how shitty my art really is... Man the things we’ve gone through together discussing about art just for the fun of it over Skype... The times when I told you how awesome and spunky your character David is and how cool Michael or Paulo was in the stories and all the other concepts in BitterSweet Candy, not once did I dis your artwork or your art style (cuz I didn’t really find any fault in them – they were genuine and original). Not once did I say they were complete rip-offs of a cartoon or game or completely cheesy-shit ideas that only a retard would read, a retard who would sit through reality TV and drama shows day and night and worshiped the sob stories with a passion (heck it took me a long time to come up with something corny like that, though my offensive nature on people’s styles and concepts is pretty hopeless). Not once did I mention ‘hate’ in your work.

I mean fair enough you can say how crappy my art really is from a technical aspect, that is why God created people like you to help improve the craft and fabrics of the art itself, but when it comes to the cookie crumbling upon the very foundations that built who I am today, the foundations and aspirations I’ve respected for many years of experience and analysis, the very things that helped made me the fun loving guy who likes chill, get to know people who are more phenomenal that myself, to get to make kick ass stories with lovable characters where fans, friends and family can remember in the process of it all...

From artist to artist I lost respect for you man. The things you said in those aspects mentioned above... That cut me deep... Just as much as Oliver’s implication of me being an AZN.


I know your true colours and you know mine (but in reality I am a nice guy and I know you guys are too)

So yeah I'm just gonna do my own thing, in my head I wish that you won't be commenting on my stuff until I have gained confidence to face it again. Despite how magnificent it is and how constructive it is, it's not the same anymore. Other people will view it as something extremely fair but they don't know it from my perspective - after going through with all things said between us.

It really sucks. But yeah I really don't wanna cause trouble for you guys and I just want to move on.

I hope you can respect that.

Just.... Just... Try not to comment please on any future deviation I may have (even if I have stated advanced critique on it). I know it sounds silly and unfair but please understand how I feel about it.

Most probably it won't happen but at least I tried asking first....

But yeah probably better if I had tagged it as discourage critique. Sounds more legitimate that way...

I'll most probably follow Raul's suggestion of another site who know nothing better than to critique one's work at 200% capacity. I may use that if I seriously need help...

.... *thumbs up*
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taeshilh Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2008  Professional General Artist
So you didn't pray for the other 17 who died?

It was 32 people ":(" 33 including the perpetrator.
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darkspeeds Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
Anyways I'm heading off to bed man... It's been a long day at work and a mentally draining trip writing all of this... I'll read what you have to say about what I wrote.

I even apologised which is something I'm doing for the first time to those who treat me this way online. It really is a first... And whatever you say next please let it be as honest as it should be.

I'm already done being honest to the two of you...

*heads off to bed...*
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