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that's rubbish. my country has only been independent for about 100 years, but in those hundred years we've grown closer to our neighbors and co-operate a lot better. ONLY the british can be arrogant enough to push it's neighbors away(note: Ireland). but you're wrong, independence doesn't separate, in Scandinavia it has brought us closer because we respect each other as equals. and it enforce democracy; the smaller a democratic state is, the more the citizens feels they can contribute. just look at how well small nations like New Zealand, Switzerland and the Scandinavian countries are doing - small is better. and then look at how few people vote in big nations like France and Britain.
so free Scotland, free Wales, free Isle of Man, and free Principality of Sealand
so free Scotland, free Wales, free Isle of Man, and free Principality of Sealand
Really? Sealand? a small fort in the sea. In that case we should all declare our houses as independent nations. But let's see, Britain, 6th riches (and fastest growing western nation) Has a permanent seat on the UN security council, is the most powerful nation (as regard to soft power), has a powerful and extremely advanced military, has immense diplomatic power, heads the Commonwealth of Nations. Then let's all just split apart because our neighbours like two sugar's in their tea instead of one. In that respect then Greenland should get total independence.
Anyway, Scotland voted no, so balls to that I guess. Small may be cozy but it also dooms you to political obscurity and stagnation. I don't see how we have pushed Ireland away, if you are talking about Northern Ireland then it's best to read up on the Anglo-Irish Treaty.
Anyway, Scotland voted no, so balls to that I guess. Small may be cozy but it also dooms you to political obscurity and stagnation. I don't see how we have pushed Ireland away, if you are talking about Northern Ireland then it's best to read up on the Anglo-Irish Treaty.
You took my Sealand comment serious? Isn't the British supposed to have such a developed sense of humour? 
As for the Greenland Independence, I couldn't agree more. I think we've got different values. Why are you so obsessed with power? Shouldn't you value other things first? You've had one year of better economic development, hallelujah. I think you'll find that according to the World Bank in the last ten years however Norway has had a bigger growth.
In Global Peace Index you're ranked 47th (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_P…, in the Human Development Index you're ranked 14th (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_De…, Gender Inequality Index you're ranked 14th (hdr.undp.org/en/content/table-…, Human Development Index you're ranked 14th (data.undp.org/dataset/Table-2-…, World Bank Gini-Index(income distribution) 54th (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_…, Happiest Nation Index 16th (www.forbes.com/sites/christoph…, Quality of Life Index 26th (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where-to…, Social Progress Index 13th (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_…
If you take a look at all those Indexes, I think you'll find that smaller nations like New Zealand, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Iceland, the Netherlands, Sweden are on top positions every time. I'm pretty sure that England, Wales and Scotland would do a lot better on their own, at least on the lists presented above.
Perhaps you wouldn't be as powerful. But if power is the ultimate goal then you shouldn't have let go of all your colonies in Africa and Asia. I doubt that would have been a success story btw, just look at what's still going on in Israel after your brilliant little political experiment, or in Syria and Iraq after you guys decided you knew where to draw national borders.
As for the Scottish Independence debate, I watched it and I wasn't impressed by all the fear mongering.
And it's not Northern Ireland I was thinking about, it's that every time I meet someone from Ireland they always seems to hate the Brits. I don't know what you guys have done to them, but it sure must have been bad.
As for the Greenland Independence, I couldn't agree more. I think we've got different values. Why are you so obsessed with power? Shouldn't you value other things first? You've had one year of better economic development, hallelujah. I think you'll find that according to the World Bank in the last ten years however Norway has had a bigger growth.
In Global Peace Index you're ranked 47th (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_P…, in the Human Development Index you're ranked 14th (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_De…, Gender Inequality Index you're ranked 14th (hdr.undp.org/en/content/table-…, Human Development Index you're ranked 14th (data.undp.org/dataset/Table-2-…, World Bank Gini-Index(income distribution) 54th (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_…, Happiest Nation Index 16th (www.forbes.com/sites/christoph…, Quality of Life Index 26th (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where-to…, Social Progress Index 13th (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_…
If you take a look at all those Indexes, I think you'll find that smaller nations like New Zealand, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Iceland, the Netherlands, Sweden are on top positions every time. I'm pretty sure that England, Wales and Scotland would do a lot better on their own, at least on the lists presented above.
Perhaps you wouldn't be as powerful. But if power is the ultimate goal then you shouldn't have let go of all your colonies in Africa and Asia. I doubt that would have been a success story btw, just look at what's still going on in Israel after your brilliant little political experiment, or in Syria and Iraq after you guys decided you knew where to draw national borders.
As for the Scottish Independence debate, I watched it and I wasn't impressed by all the fear mongering.
And it's not Northern Ireland I was thinking about, it's that every time I meet someone from Ireland they always seems to hate the Brits. I don't know what you guys have done to them, but it sure must have been bad.
Let me put it simply, worry about your own nation instead of trying to separate others. Many of us are proud to be British and we sure as hell don't care what a bunch of self styled, keyboard warrior, revolutionary's have to think about it. Norway, Sweden and etc are already committing suicide through political correctness. We however are fighting back. England, Scotland and Wales pull their resources together and work together instead of saying "all this is mine so screw you" It has allowed us to become one of the top country's on the planet and with it we invented the modern world and crafted the largest empire in history. I am not proud of everything the empire did but there were a few good things.
We did the right thing by letting those colonies go in peace. Because of that we have retained a friendship. As for Israel, well the Jews only have a small stretch of land to call home. The Muslims have the whole Middle East to call home. Regarding Syria and Iraq, we don't always agree with our government, I'm sure it's the same where you live.
The Scottish Independence debate sure did have a lot of scare mongering. I mean you should have just listened to Alex Salmond. He kept threatening us that Scotland would default (which would be stupid) on it's debts and that the rest of the UK should dance to a independent Scotland's tune or else. Funny, when we pointed out the obvious they kept shouting scare mongering! Your not Scottish are you?
The people of Ireland, despite gaining independence still have a bone to pick. Yea our nation was an ass to them but so were many nations to each other. They just can't get over it and Northern Ireland. They want to force Northern Ireland to become part of the Republic of Ireland despite Northern Ireland not wishing to. So they resorted to terrorism and funding of terrorism, when they lost they decided it was all our fault because we are the big bad Brits.
Britain is already small, we can't afford to keep chopping ourselves up to please some prats who want a piece of the pie. I'm sure you would feel the same way if a bunch of wonks decided to carve up Norway.
We did the right thing by letting those colonies go in peace. Because of that we have retained a friendship. As for Israel, well the Jews only have a small stretch of land to call home. The Muslims have the whole Middle East to call home. Regarding Syria and Iraq, we don't always agree with our government, I'm sure it's the same where you live.
The Scottish Independence debate sure did have a lot of scare mongering. I mean you should have just listened to Alex Salmond. He kept threatening us that Scotland would default (which would be stupid) on it's debts and that the rest of the UK should dance to a independent Scotland's tune or else. Funny, when we pointed out the obvious they kept shouting scare mongering! Your not Scottish are you?
The people of Ireland, despite gaining independence still have a bone to pick. Yea our nation was an ass to them but so were many nations to each other. They just can't get over it and Northern Ireland. They want to force Northern Ireland to become part of the Republic of Ireland despite Northern Ireland not wishing to. So they resorted to terrorism and funding of terrorism, when they lost they decided it was all our fault because we are the big bad Brits.
Britain is already small, we can't afford to keep chopping ourselves up to please some prats who want a piece of the pie. I'm sure you would feel the same way if a bunch of wonks decided to carve up Norway.
Keyboard revolutionaries 
Good one. But independence and revolutions are two different things. Debating online and being a warrior are two different things as well, you started this healthy debate by making a comment in a dA group. Our little discussion is nothing more than stimulative, so please don't diminish both our free opinions by thinking anyone of us are just keyboard warriors, we're both doing a great thing for democracy by debating. In Norway we have a saying; "I might disagree with your opinion, but I'd fight for your right express that opinion".
Oh yes, we're so p.c. it's killing us! Lol. That why we published the danish Muhammed cartoon, because we're so political correct. I don't know what impression you've got, but certainly people with so-called political incorrect opinions have a lot easier to express their opinions publicly here(after all, we're not swedes). Look, we've got the freest press in the world, without having the same degree of rubbish sensationalist populist redtop papers brainwashing the people. We've got a healthy democracy, with healthy debates and the majority of people showing up to vote. You guys still have a outdated constituency-based parliament, where for instance a party with 1 % of the votes got one out of 650 seats. How you call that a democracy? As for working together; Norway, Sweden and Denmark are working together very closely. Our separation has benefited us all. When Norway gained it's independence 100 years ago, a British newspaper made a list of the richest and poorest countries, showing Norway as the second poorest free nation in the world. Probably to scare the Irish, because we've just had our independence. But since then we've built our own nation, without the Swedes, and Sweden has built their nation without us. And it's working out just fine for the both of us, at least in comparison Scotland/England/Wales which could have gone the same way and prospered even more.
We're not talking about the whole of the Muslims, we're talking about Palestinians. They did have a small stretch of land, until you gave it away. We're talking about 5 million Palestinian refugees outside of Palestine, and another 4.5 million Palestinians living under virtual occupation in Gaza and the West Bank. Combined that's more than the Jewish population in Israel. You're comment "As for Israel, well the Jews only have a small stretch of land to call home. The Muslims have the whole Middle East to call home" is one of the most bigoted thing I've ever heard, and proves me right when I say Britons are an arrogant bunch. You just don't give a shit about other human beings, if you cannot see the different between Palestinians and other people in the Middle East just because they've got the same religion.
So go on with your British pride, as you say. Certainly I'm proud to be Scandinavian as well. We are brothers, us Scandinavians. Splitting up the different Unions of the past has not changed that, it has rather made us friendly brothers instead of arguing brothers. I am convinced you guys would in the long term benefit as much, and not just the Scots, the English as well. The English deserve their own parliament and freedom from old-fashioned Westminster. You should strive for even more democracy.
No, I'm not Scottish. Though my surname is Bruce, and apparently I'm a descendant from Robert the Bruce, but that has little to do with me, I'm as Norwegian as one could get.
And I'm all for carving up Norway some more, the places with a majority Sami population should certainly try to grow a free Sami state. The problem is the Norwegian Sami themselves don't want it. But you cannot compare UK to Norway, you'd have to compare Britain and Ireland with Scandinavia or the Nordic as a whole. We were once a Union ourselves, and we've become closer to each other being independent states. There is much co-operation.
Good one. But independence and revolutions are two different things. Debating online and being a warrior are two different things as well, you started this healthy debate by making a comment in a dA group. Our little discussion is nothing more than stimulative, so please don't diminish both our free opinions by thinking anyone of us are just keyboard warriors, we're both doing a great thing for democracy by debating. In Norway we have a saying; "I might disagree with your opinion, but I'd fight for your right express that opinion".Oh yes, we're so p.c. it's killing us! Lol. That why we published the danish Muhammed cartoon, because we're so political correct. I don't know what impression you've got, but certainly people with so-called political incorrect opinions have a lot easier to express their opinions publicly here(after all, we're not swedes). Look, we've got the freest press in the world, without having the same degree of rubbish sensationalist populist redtop papers brainwashing the people. We've got a healthy democracy, with healthy debates and the majority of people showing up to vote. You guys still have a outdated constituency-based parliament, where for instance a party with 1 % of the votes got one out of 650 seats. How you call that a democracy? As for working together; Norway, Sweden and Denmark are working together very closely. Our separation has benefited us all. When Norway gained it's independence 100 years ago, a British newspaper made a list of the richest and poorest countries, showing Norway as the second poorest free nation in the world. Probably to scare the Irish, because we've just had our independence. But since then we've built our own nation, without the Swedes, and Sweden has built their nation without us. And it's working out just fine for the both of us, at least in comparison Scotland/England/Wales which could have gone the same way and prospered even more.
We're not talking about the whole of the Muslims, we're talking about Palestinians. They did have a small stretch of land, until you gave it away. We're talking about 5 million Palestinian refugees outside of Palestine, and another 4.5 million Palestinians living under virtual occupation in Gaza and the West Bank. Combined that's more than the Jewish population in Israel. You're comment "As for Israel, well the Jews only have a small stretch of land to call home. The Muslims have the whole Middle East to call home" is one of the most bigoted thing I've ever heard, and proves me right when I say Britons are an arrogant bunch. You just don't give a shit about other human beings, if you cannot see the different between Palestinians and other people in the Middle East just because they've got the same religion.
So go on with your British pride, as you say. Certainly I'm proud to be Scandinavian as well. We are brothers, us Scandinavians. Splitting up the different Unions of the past has not changed that, it has rather made us friendly brothers instead of arguing brothers. I am convinced you guys would in the long term benefit as much, and not just the Scots, the English as well. The English deserve their own parliament and freedom from old-fashioned Westminster. You should strive for even more democracy.
No, I'm not Scottish. Though my surname is Bruce, and apparently I'm a descendant from Robert the Bruce, but that has little to do with me, I'm as Norwegian as one could get.
And I'm all for carving up Norway some more, the places with a majority Sami population should certainly try to grow a free Sami state. The problem is the Norwegian Sami themselves don't want it. But you cannot compare UK to Norway, you'd have to compare Britain and Ireland with Scandinavia or the Nordic as a whole. We were once a Union ourselves, and we've become closer to each other being independent states. There is much co-operation.
You won't believe the amount of people I have heard claim they are somehow related to Robert the Bruce, William Wallace or Chuck Norris. So excuse me if I take your statement with a pinch of salt. The problem with this group is it seems a haven to people who think the affairs of other nations is their business. Example; Scotland had their referendum, however, already little revolutionary's are crying foul because the vote didn't go their way. It is a matter for the two nations to decide and decide they did.
Like I stated in my original comment. The world already has to many nations as it is. Everyone want's their own little slice of the cake and from that nations die.
Like I stated in my original comment. The world already has to many nations as it is. Everyone want's their own little slice of the cake and from that nations die.
Indeed. I take it with a pinch of salt myself, hence the use of the word 'apparently'. The relation is the claim of an uncle of mine, who've done some family research, but I need to see some evidence before I believe it myself.
You're rhetoric is pretty conservative, and similar to that of plenty of any dictator; "the vote is done, so the discussion is over". Even though Scotland have voted, it's still an issue worth debating with different arguments. And if anyone outside of Scotland and Briton wants to share their opinions, surely that's a positive thing for the British democracy. And I think you understood what I said about healthy discussions and democracy in my last respond, and the reason you're not answering is because you understand the value of the argument and you're just too proud to admit being wrong. At least this is how it comes out when you're completely avoiding other peoples argumentation.
The problem is you haven't really contributed with much arguments here at all, you've just made claims. And you've avoided answering my arguments. Either avoided considering mine, or as I said you're too proud to address them.
All you do is make claims, there is no argumentation or support behind them. Just claims. Just empty talk from yet another bigoted Briton. So I've already read what you've stated in your original comment, you don't have to re-state it. What you instead should do is to consider whether or not you want to try to show a reasoning behind your original statement, because a statement is a pretty naked thing alone if one cannot show the reason behind it.
You're rhetoric is pretty conservative, and similar to that of plenty of any dictator; "the vote is done, so the discussion is over". Even though Scotland have voted, it's still an issue worth debating with different arguments. And if anyone outside of Scotland and Briton wants to share their opinions, surely that's a positive thing for the British democracy. And I think you understood what I said about healthy discussions and democracy in my last respond, and the reason you're not answering is because you understand the value of the argument and you're just too proud to admit being wrong. At least this is how it comes out when you're completely avoiding other peoples argumentation.
The problem is you haven't really contributed with much arguments here at all, you've just made claims. And you've avoided answering my arguments. Either avoided considering mine, or as I said you're too proud to address them.
All you do is make claims, there is no argumentation or support behind them. Just claims. Just empty talk from yet another bigoted Briton. So I've already read what you've stated in your original comment, you don't have to re-state it. What you instead should do is to consider whether or not you want to try to show a reasoning behind your original statement, because a statement is a pretty naked thing alone if one cannot show the reason behind it.