VixenDra's avatar
That's why virginity is even more precious, same with faithfulness and why it should be required in a marriage/stable relationship(but without legal status of marriage).
The one you provided is primitive...

Pfff... But we have mind and are able to love in opposite to the rest of alive beings. In addition to humans are adjusted for monogamous life in a relationship (many evolutionary adjustments, I had it on lectures on evolution at the university), including sex&breeding.
Araiya's avatar
It may be primitive but it holds some truth.

True, but abstinence isn't 100% foolproof. More pregnancies and sexual activity occur when abstinence is enforced than when sexual education is provided.
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Life shows it another way... Once that sexual education was spread in schools (but parents still are too ashamed to talk with their children, they also give them full access to the Internet inresponsibly, coz many misbelieve school will teach their children everything and they don't have to fulfill this duty anymore) the too early sexual initiation became a plague... And the number of unwanted pregnancies inrceased actually, not dicreased... I guess it's the same with LTDs(but by these I'm not shure, I have heard about pregnancies only because the experts were focusing just on pregnancies in these researches I know so far)... And actually.... abstinence never causes pregnancy unless one does everything else to get pregnant(in vitro etc.) So I can't agree abstinence doesn't work at all by unwanted pregnancies. And I don't mention rape here, which is sex technically, forced of course, but still sex. (And I don't mention I would have cut off all rapists' fuckers with no painkillers if the law had had been different) Yeah, abstinence is not the easiest sollution for someone who can't controll their lust even by masturbation, als if one hears a lot of this virgin-shaming bullshit, that virgins are worse than 'experienced' sluts, that they are less worthy just because they never did 'it' while 'everybody else' already has etc. It's mainly because of the pressure built by those who benefit from such situation and by those who believed it and lied to the environment to net be 'worse'. It's a complex issue caused by many mistakes made and fed in the society the youngsters try to fit in. Of course, it's true that anything enforced is more likely to be done in the opposite way by prohibitions, the problem is about the way things are given to the youngsters, mostly it seems it's just a 'don't have sex because it's wrong' instead of actual explaination why is it wrong so the young person can really understand and feel it's wrong for themself. And the pro sex propaganda is more attractively presented... And is not based on 'dont's' but 'to dos', and 'do it, it's fun because it's fun' is more likely to be followed than 'don't do it, it's wrong because it's wrong'. 'Do have sex (here and now, don't wait till the hell knows when)' will always sound more attractively than 'don't have sex (till you're married which will happen the God/hell knows when)'.
Anyway...
Araiya's avatar
It's fine that some people want to wait till marriage but for those who don't, it's good to know the facts and have information to be easily accessible so they can protect themselves.

It's not about fitting in and I'm all for a joint participation between parents and schools to teach their children about sex.
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That wait is rather not for the sake of waiting but to have a greater chance to have sex exclusively(children having a chance to live in a full family, partners keeping their health away from getting LTDs unless they got one another way, the feeling of unity sex can give to exclusive partners...)... Marriage is intented to be 'till death tears us apart' (of course life sucks and it doesn't work by many cases), so sex after marriage made sense. Why is there that idea of sex right after the ceremony? Actually, the way I understand this whole concept of sex afrer marriage right after the ceremony is that sex is meant to be a way to marry... not in a legal sense, but in a physical unification sense. Me and my beloved follow this understanding, sex married us, the legal ceremony became just a legalisation which won't change anything by our relationship but will make it some things legally possible (e.g health information if one of us get's into hospital).

Just admit to yourself(just to yourself, not to me): can you forget about sb who had sex with you? Haven't they influenced your emotions no matter how emotionless you flet about them before? Sex is too intimate even if was the most mechanical and uncaring... it always leaves traces, not just physically... And I'm not reffering to my experience but to experience of other, random people I heard of. And also to my lectures on evolution, by humans sex has a function of refreshing and endeepening the bond of the partners (example of sth that differs humans from animals on the sexual aspect; it's also one of the elements speaking for monogamous character of human sexuality, others are e.g: no clear signal from woman's body showing to the male that she is fertile at the moment (so the male has to stay close to his female if he wants her to deliver his offspring and mate with her kinda regularly and often) -in opposite to e.g. dogs, chimpangees; the childhood period and how long the offspring is dependent on the parents. I picked just the biological things here, to not get accused for subjectivism of the provided trait like it would be in case of mentioning love here).

Most of stupid youth actions are caused by the need of fitting in and not feeling 'worse' and well as the stupidity and lack of consciousness and actual understanding of the consequences (it's like with the cigarettes, at least in my country: youth smoke bec. they think it makes them look so adult/mature and others don't want to get accused of being 'kids' by those who smoke, but still they have fun with smoking. Some of course don't care and won't smoke because they don't want or have some common-sense already -or have e.g. asthma- but many get addicted as teens, and later, when they become wiser, they notice how much money these cost, they start to understand it's dangerous to their health etc. but still, part of them won't give up smoking)... sex becomes one of these things... humans have a tendency to try out things most of people around them already tried or say they did... Of course, I agree with you on this partly, because not everybody follows and acquires such approach and behaviours.

Not disagreeing with your reply, just being in some mood of writing at the moment. I think I don't need or even want to write anything more today^^;
Araiya's avatar
Let's just agree to disagree.
VixenDra's avatar
Wanted to say it in the end but I removed and left it for my next reply actually, so I'm glady you said it.