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Thanks! I have heard it. I am honestly unsure of what to think of it, considering that despite the information coming from a relatively reliable source, Nintendo has not corroborated. So at the moment, nobody even knows if it's going to happen for real, or if this is all just an elaborate prank like the one IGN pulled a few years back.
If it is real, I am greeting it with equal parts trepidation and excitement. This could either go really, really well, or it could destroy TV/Movie Zelda for a long time. Netflix has a few fantastic shows for their name, and if they got the right writer and gave Nintendo lots of creative control, it could go well.
The problem comes with the fact that Zelda characters, story-lines, and worlds have been designed around thoughts of game-play and video game storytelling, which is significantly different from screenwriting (as anyone who has attempted to write for video games, fiction, and screen scripts could tell you). Everything is much more concise in video game scripts, so there is a lot that is left unsaid or up for interpretation. You can also state things outright in video game scripts, whereas with screenplay you have to manipulate words more--'show, don't tell' so to speak. Even then, I'm ommitting the fact that a TV series would be a serialized story, whereas video games shove it down the player/viewer's throat in one shot. If they try to recreate a game or attempt an adaption of OoT for television... it would be generous to call that a disaster.
Another potential issue with a Zelda TV show is that this particular video game series is not mainstream or attached to any mainstream franchise. Yes, Link, Toon Link, Sheik, Zelda, Ganondorf, and a host of other LoZ characters are in Super Smash Bros., but that is hardly considered pop culture. Even then, the SSB audience is not the same one that the TV show would be targeted toward. Thus, in order to promote the series, Netflix is going to have to do some serious marketing and promotion. If they choose the route of popularizing it by using big-name actors for the primary roles, I will be very unhappy. It's risky to use unknown actors for an unknown television series, but that's what needs to happen to make me and other Zelda fans happy with this show.
Casting is going to be damn near impossible, as will reproducing the magical and strange world of Hyrule with a TV-level CGI budget. There are some topics and peoples covered in the games that are fine when utterly fictional, but will become problematic if projected on to real people (for example, portraying the marginalized Gerudo using black or middle eastern actors could quickly be dubbed racism). Then there is also the factor of translating the distinctive 'feel' of a Zelda game on to a vastly different media. Bonus: Link has to talk.
The ways that a Zelda TV show could go wrong are innumerable. All things considered, there is not going to be a single person that is going to be entirely satisfied with this show. The fans are going to hate it because it can't possibly replicate or fit seamlessly with the existing canon of the games, and external critics are going to be annoyed by the inevitable fan-service. We all know by now that Zelda fans are insanely persnickety when it comes to the continuity, gameplay, aesthetic qualities, and tradition of the series. This picky nature is going to slide right over to the TV version of Zelda. There will be people who are going to absolutely tear this show apart, because it is definitely going to have insane plot holes and massive continuity errors as the screenwriters and actors chase their tails trying to service fans. There will also be people like me who wish it could have been better, but will unconditionally love it just because the official 'Zelda' trademark has been slapped on to a parade of glorified cosplayers. Basically, it's going to end up a lot like The Hero of Time. We'll laugh at it and give them a gold sticker for trying, then let it fall back into the quiet memory of the fandom along with the numerous fan moves, fan animations, and fan games that were created to honor everyone's favorite game series. And that will be the end of it. Nevertheless, it is always exciting to see how people interpret and react to Zelda, since it holds such a dear place in many people's heart.
It could also be a segue into bigger things for Nintendo if it doesn't go too badly, and it could ultimately result in a Zelda movie or a TV series of a game that is easier to serialize, such as Fire Emblem or Mario or even Kid Icarus. We'd also get tons and tons of cool new Nintendo-licensed Zelda merchandise, which is a godsend for collectors and a reason for excitement on the part of the more casual fans. So who knows, really. All things considered, I'm just happy that this is finally going to be a thing.
TL;DR -- It could go really well, and I'm excited to see it regardless, but there is also so much that could go wrong. To some extent, it's basically guaranteed that everyone in the fandom and out of it will hate the show. But I'm excited anyway.
If it is real, I am greeting it with equal parts trepidation and excitement. This could either go really, really well, or it could destroy TV/Movie Zelda for a long time. Netflix has a few fantastic shows for their name, and if they got the right writer and gave Nintendo lots of creative control, it could go well.
The problem comes with the fact that Zelda characters, story-lines, and worlds have been designed around thoughts of game-play and video game storytelling, which is significantly different from screenwriting (as anyone who has attempted to write for video games, fiction, and screen scripts could tell you). Everything is much more concise in video game scripts, so there is a lot that is left unsaid or up for interpretation. You can also state things outright in video game scripts, whereas with screenplay you have to manipulate words more--'show, don't tell' so to speak. Even then, I'm ommitting the fact that a TV series would be a serialized story, whereas video games shove it down the player/viewer's throat in one shot. If they try to recreate a game or attempt an adaption of OoT for television... it would be generous to call that a disaster.
Another potential issue with a Zelda TV show is that this particular video game series is not mainstream or attached to any mainstream franchise. Yes, Link, Toon Link, Sheik, Zelda, Ganondorf, and a host of other LoZ characters are in Super Smash Bros., but that is hardly considered pop culture. Even then, the SSB audience is not the same one that the TV show would be targeted toward. Thus, in order to promote the series, Netflix is going to have to do some serious marketing and promotion. If they choose the route of popularizing it by using big-name actors for the primary roles, I will be very unhappy. It's risky to use unknown actors for an unknown television series, but that's what needs to happen to make me and other Zelda fans happy with this show.
Casting is going to be damn near impossible, as will reproducing the magical and strange world of Hyrule with a TV-level CGI budget. There are some topics and peoples covered in the games that are fine when utterly fictional, but will become problematic if projected on to real people (for example, portraying the marginalized Gerudo using black or middle eastern actors could quickly be dubbed racism). Then there is also the factor of translating the distinctive 'feel' of a Zelda game on to a vastly different media. Bonus: Link has to talk.
The ways that a Zelda TV show could go wrong are innumerable. All things considered, there is not going to be a single person that is going to be entirely satisfied with this show. The fans are going to hate it because it can't possibly replicate or fit seamlessly with the existing canon of the games, and external critics are going to be annoyed by the inevitable fan-service. We all know by now that Zelda fans are insanely persnickety when it comes to the continuity, gameplay, aesthetic qualities, and tradition of the series. This picky nature is going to slide right over to the TV version of Zelda. There will be people who are going to absolutely tear this show apart, because it is definitely going to have insane plot holes and massive continuity errors as the screenwriters and actors chase their tails trying to service fans. There will also be people like me who wish it could have been better, but will unconditionally love it just because the official 'Zelda' trademark has been slapped on to a parade of glorified cosplayers. Basically, it's going to end up a lot like The Hero of Time. We'll laugh at it and give them a gold sticker for trying, then let it fall back into the quiet memory of the fandom along with the numerous fan moves, fan animations, and fan games that were created to honor everyone's favorite game series. And that will be the end of it. Nevertheless, it is always exciting to see how people interpret and react to Zelda, since it holds such a dear place in many people's heart.
It could also be a segue into bigger things for Nintendo if it doesn't go too badly, and it could ultimately result in a Zelda movie or a TV series of a game that is easier to serialize, such as Fire Emblem or Mario or even Kid Icarus. We'd also get tons and tons of cool new Nintendo-licensed Zelda merchandise, which is a godsend for collectors and a reason for excitement on the part of the more casual fans. So who knows, really. All things considered, I'm just happy that this is finally going to be a thing.
TL;DR -- It could go really well, and I'm excited to see it regardless, but there is also so much that could go wrong. To some extent, it's basically guaranteed that everyone in the fandom and out of it will hate the show. But I'm excited anyway.
the hell does TL;DR mean? (its probably sad that i;m 24 and still don't know muchnET lINGO]. oh, I know how different it is when it coems to video games and television screenwriting. thoguht its not as different as you'd think hwoever nintendo doe sthings very differently form the rest of the crowd.] Anywyas i'm with you to.
which si why it ihnk they should aniamte it. Aniamtion si cheaper,easier, and fits more within the canon fo Zelda. jsut about anyone could play Link,Zelda,Ganon,etc, however it also depends on that incarnation as well. it' just a roumer until its offically confirmed.
which si why it ihnk they should aniamte it. Aniamtion si cheaper,easier, and fits more within the canon fo Zelda. jsut about anyone could play Link,Zelda,Ganon,etc, however it also depends on that incarnation as well. it' just a roumer until its offically confirmed.
TL;DR stands for Too Long; Didn't Read. It just signifies that I'm going to present a super boiled-down version of what I said in paragraphs above.
I'm not sure that animation is much cheaper than live action. Once you factor in voice acting and equipment costs along with the amount of time and the significantly increased number of people you have working on an animated TV show or film, you end up with a pretty huge dollar cost. I believe Tangled cost only marginally less than Pirates of the Caribbean when all was said and done.
Even if it is, they have to consider the target audience that they are making this show for. "Game of Thrones for families" was what was stated in the article, so I'm imagining that their target audience--just like for the games--ranges from 10 to 30, with the main appeal for teenagers. Assuming that they're making a television show with the intent to bring Zelda into mainstream and boost game sales, the very last thing they would want to do is make it animated and miss their target audience altogether.
I'm not sure that animation is much cheaper than live action. Once you factor in voice acting and equipment costs along with the amount of time and the significantly increased number of people you have working on an animated TV show or film, you end up with a pretty huge dollar cost. I believe Tangled cost only marginally less than Pirates of the Caribbean when all was said and done.
Even if it is, they have to consider the target audience that they are making this show for. "Game of Thrones for families" was what was stated in the article, so I'm imagining that their target audience--just like for the games--ranges from 10 to 30, with the main appeal for teenagers. Assuming that they're making a television show with the intent to bring Zelda into mainstream and boost game sales, the very last thing they would want to do is make it animated and miss their target audience altogether.
Except animation works both ways for adults. and aiming for what it is aim for, they can make it work as it can proved to work for the audience they want to get. if its done in a style of what their target audience is attributed to and the psycho graphics and demographics its aiming for. see, there is a LOT MORE To marketing that the average person such as yourself barley understands in terms of how live action/animation work. game of thrones for families can be well adapted into the animation mainstream by sheer design, color, angles, and for a very lack of wording ATM is The Attitude / "Twilight Factor". As I was talking about the Psycho graphics in marketing are always to aim at what the psychology behind your target demo is. i.e. why do girls like Link so much? is it the hero archtype? he's a "beautiful boy"? the action? then it gets into deepr aspects of who is more attracted to what. its breaking the iceberg, piece by piece. see, theres more stuff that goes into it and I'm giving you the super "G"Rated version of it.
Assuming the fact that its to "boost" gaming sales is a terrible way to think of these games and series. [because this isn't the 80's where everything was a commercial for kids.]
Animated movies tend to be a bit less cheaper then live action films, however it cost about 2000-2200 bucks for animating an episode as oppose to 4mil to produce an episode of heroes (a popular live action tv series). if they wanted to go super cheap, this budget [including costumes,casting,etc.] would be the reality tv format which cost 600 bucks per episode. we have seen Nintendo work with production I.G. before on some shorts, like the Anime style for Link vs. Pit and having Paulina appear. Even to assume that they will do the regular "Stock motion" or "stalk rigs" for animation, its still cheaper and can be done. keeping in mind how they also want to use the budget, animation to ME comes off much better solution. of course I never seen game of thrones and personally never found it to be itneresting. so they psycho graphics and demographics marketing doesn't work for me in particular. and finally it hink if they do get to voice cast, you should totally play Zelda or Midna.
TL;DR TO SUM IT UP.
- There is more to marketing then just aiming for Target Demo
- Psycho Graphics work perfectly well in Tandum with Demographics
- Animated shows have cheaper budget and could work
- you should totally play princess Zelda or Midna
- I'm still happy that I'm the same size as Link (5ft) :3
- we really don;t know that much about the rumor, other then what it is.
- still not a GoT fan.
Assuming the fact that its to "boost" gaming sales is a terrible way to think of these games and series. [because this isn't the 80's where everything was a commercial for kids.]
Animated movies tend to be a bit less cheaper then live action films, however it cost about 2000-2200 bucks for animating an episode as oppose to 4mil to produce an episode of heroes (a popular live action tv series). if they wanted to go super cheap, this budget [including costumes,casting,etc.] would be the reality tv format which cost 600 bucks per episode. we have seen Nintendo work with production I.G. before on some shorts, like the Anime style for Link vs. Pit and having Paulina appear. Even to assume that they will do the regular "Stock motion" or "stalk rigs" for animation, its still cheaper and can be done. keeping in mind how they also want to use the budget, animation to ME comes off much better solution. of course I never seen game of thrones and personally never found it to be itneresting. so they psycho graphics and demographics marketing doesn't work for me in particular. and finally it hink if they do get to voice cast, you should totally play Zelda or Midna.
TL;DR TO SUM IT UP.
- There is more to marketing then just aiming for Target Demo
- Psycho Graphics work perfectly well in Tandum with Demographics
- Animated shows have cheaper budget and could work
- you should totally play princess Zelda or Midna
- I'm still happy that I'm the same size as Link (5ft) :3
- we really don;t know that much about the rumor, other then what it is.
- still not a GoT fan.
The problem with animation is that using it is going to reduce the reach of their viewing demographic. People see animation--be it 2D, 3D, claymation, etc.--and associate that with children's films/shows. It really doesn't matter how much you use psychographics to accurately analyze the motivating factors and appeals of a show for marketing purposes; there is still going to be a large chunk of viewers that would watch the show if it were live action that wouldn't if it weren't.
There are plenty adult's television shows that are animated, like Archer or the Simpsons, but those fit into one clearly defined genre space and rarely step outside of it. The only truly successful animated adult television shows that weren't comedy or parody are The Maxx, The Boondocks, and King of the Hill. Even then, all of those are vastly different from the fantasy genre of Zelda.
Most marketing plans for TV shows rely on branding. Something brand new for television out of left field like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. could support itself because of the brand, the canon, and the fans set up by the preceding movies. Zelda won't have that, and if it is a Netflix show, it won't even have the tout of ad space on a network or the network's credibility from other shows to back it up. Nintendo's fans are absurdly loyal and will suck it up anyway, but that isn't enough to make a show successful or quality. They need outside audiences to come in to watch this show, and the only way they will be able to do that is by catering to those outside audiences, and that means simplified canon, less magic, and yes--live action.
Regarding my mention of it being to boost game sales and draw more attention to the heart of the series.. there is no other reason for Nintendo to create this show. They aren't going to make money from it that they wouldn't receive from simply releasing another game, but at this point, money isn't their goal (I mean, ultimately, it still is, but that's not the direct result they're hoping to achieve with the TV show). The only reason something like this would be financially reasonable for them would be if it has the potential to make them more money in the future, which means that it is a marketing thing. They want Zelda and their other games back in the mainstream again. They want Zelda commercials on television right next to those for Call of Duty and Halo from the American companies. It has been proven before with the Smash Bros. series that people get curious about source material and then play the originals to get that information. A TV show that looks badass and has an insane amount of promotion is just the way to do that for a much more massive audience.
TL;DR
Animation is automatically considered a kid's show, especially if it's about a fairy boy in green. Live action is the only way to go if their aiming for a large-scale appeal for audiences 6-30. There's no reason to create a TV show for this series other than to bring attention to it, therefore that must be why they are considering making a movie.
PS: the average person like myself might know a lot more than you think in terms of how live action and animation work, given that I have produced and acted in both on a small scale, have independently studied them on a larger scale, and have also discussed this topic very thoroughly with my film teacher (who is also a Zelda fan) and my marketing teacher (who is not a nerd, but has a particular interest in media marketing) more than once.
There are plenty adult's television shows that are animated, like Archer or the Simpsons, but those fit into one clearly defined genre space and rarely step outside of it. The only truly successful animated adult television shows that weren't comedy or parody are The Maxx, The Boondocks, and King of the Hill. Even then, all of those are vastly different from the fantasy genre of Zelda.
Most marketing plans for TV shows rely on branding. Something brand new for television out of left field like Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. could support itself because of the brand, the canon, and the fans set up by the preceding movies. Zelda won't have that, and if it is a Netflix show, it won't even have the tout of ad space on a network or the network's credibility from other shows to back it up. Nintendo's fans are absurdly loyal and will suck it up anyway, but that isn't enough to make a show successful or quality. They need outside audiences to come in to watch this show, and the only way they will be able to do that is by catering to those outside audiences, and that means simplified canon, less magic, and yes--live action.
Regarding my mention of it being to boost game sales and draw more attention to the heart of the series.. there is no other reason for Nintendo to create this show. They aren't going to make money from it that they wouldn't receive from simply releasing another game, but at this point, money isn't their goal (I mean, ultimately, it still is, but that's not the direct result they're hoping to achieve with the TV show). The only reason something like this would be financially reasonable for them would be if it has the potential to make them more money in the future, which means that it is a marketing thing. They want Zelda and their other games back in the mainstream again. They want Zelda commercials on television right next to those for Call of Duty and Halo from the American companies. It has been proven before with the Smash Bros. series that people get curious about source material and then play the originals to get that information. A TV show that looks badass and has an insane amount of promotion is just the way to do that for a much more massive audience.
TL;DR
Animation is automatically considered a kid's show, especially if it's about a fairy boy in green. Live action is the only way to go if their aiming for a large-scale appeal for audiences 6-30. There's no reason to create a TV show for this series other than to bring attention to it, therefore that must be why they are considering making a movie.
PS: the average person like myself might know a lot more than you think in terms of how live action and animation work, given that I have produced and acted in both on a small scale, have independently studied them on a larger scale, and have also discussed this topic very thoroughly with my film teacher (who is also a Zelda fan) and my marketing teacher (who is not a nerd, but has a particular interest in media marketing) more than once.
no, i udnerstand whre your saying, i still disagree and you still would make an aweosme princess Zelda.