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Because saying "I write damsel in distress stories" is a cowardly way of saying "I like stories where women are raped but don't have the balls to admit it". Just calling ya out on it.
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That's in some of them, sure, but hardly in all of them, or even in a majority. Saying that would be misleading, so I use the more general term (which covers bondage, kidnapping, etc.). Congratulations on ''calling me out" on something you didn't make the effort to understand, though. It makes you sound so intelligent and heroic!
I have no interest in hiding these comments. If I wanted to hide my liking of this sort of story, why would I even have this profile in the first place, let alone post such things on it?
I'm not particularly ashamed to admit that I like reading and even writing about rape sometimes, and even sometimes from the sexual side of it rather than the psychological side. Lots of people do; one look at any fiction site will tell you that. It's fiction. It hurts nobody, and I'd never think about carrying it out in real life, or encouraging others to do so. People who read and write about violent stuff like murders don't get ''called out'' on it or accused of wanting to murder people. A reasonably intelligent person is capable of separating reality and fiction. Guess which you sound like?
You can think whatever you please about me. Plenty of other people do. I'm just not really sure why you think I care so much about your personal opinion that you should post it. Did you think you were sharing some devastating revelation with me? I thought you were trying to get a rise out of me by playing the oh-so-tired faux psychology angle, but do you actually believe that?
(Edited: On reconsideration, I think I should make that plainer up there. Not for the reason you'd likely want, though.)
I have no interest in hiding these comments. If I wanted to hide my liking of this sort of story, why would I even have this profile in the first place, let alone post such things on it?
I'm not particularly ashamed to admit that I like reading and even writing about rape sometimes, and even sometimes from the sexual side of it rather than the psychological side. Lots of people do; one look at any fiction site will tell you that. It's fiction. It hurts nobody, and I'd never think about carrying it out in real life, or encouraging others to do so. People who read and write about violent stuff like murders don't get ''called out'' on it or accused of wanting to murder people. A reasonably intelligent person is capable of separating reality and fiction. Guess which you sound like?
You can think whatever you please about me. Plenty of other people do. I'm just not really sure why you think I care so much about your personal opinion that you should post it. Did you think you were sharing some devastating revelation with me? I thought you were trying to get a rise out of me by playing the oh-so-tired faux psychology angle, but do you actually believe that?
(Edited: On reconsideration, I think I should make that plainer up there. Not for the reason you'd likely want, though.)
I must say, bravo on quite a well written and thought out rebuttal. Shame someone who seems to be rather intelligent puts so much effort into writing rape stories.
I assumed you'd hide these comments because it seems many will just take the easy way out and just shut down the conversation. Again, kudos for taking the time to write out a well thought out post about why its cool to create fiction centered around the idea people should be treated as objects for another's sick enjoyment.
Yes, I can tell the difference between reality and fiction; perhaps the only weak link in your reply was tossing out that baseless assumption. Nor did I assume that you couldn't. None the less you take interest in the exploitation of others in some of the worst ways possible and I can't fathom a justification for that. "It's only fiction" doesn't count, that's just a defense, not a reason.
I do suppose I should have factored in that you must not worry about what people think of you if you have a deviantart account where you post this stuff. Regardless I've no regrets tossing a little more reality your way that yes, most people would consider you messed up.
I assumed you'd hide these comments because it seems many will just take the easy way out and just shut down the conversation. Again, kudos for taking the time to write out a well thought out post about why its cool to create fiction centered around the idea people should be treated as objects for another's sick enjoyment.
Yes, I can tell the difference between reality and fiction; perhaps the only weak link in your reply was tossing out that baseless assumption. Nor did I assume that you couldn't. None the less you take interest in the exploitation of others in some of the worst ways possible and I can't fathom a justification for that. "It's only fiction" doesn't count, that's just a defense, not a reason.
I do suppose I should have factored in that you must not worry about what people think of you if you have a deviantart account where you post this stuff. Regardless I've no regrets tossing a little more reality your way that yes, most people would consider you messed up.
I'm tired, so I'll try to keep this brief.
The assumption you mentioned is a point of view I've seen people give in a lot of these conversations, so I expected it to be involved here. Guess I shouldn't have assumed that's where you were coming from, though. I apologise.
I do object to the idea that what I write centres around the idea that people "should" be treated as objects. It happens, sure, and it's even the point of the story in many cases, but I don't think it's presented in quite that way. It's not meant to be. Might just be splitting hairs, though.
I don't apologise for what I write, or believe that I need to justify it to someone. This is more for the purpose of explaining my point of view. I know this doesn't sit well with many people - most people, even. Sometimes it doesn't even sit well with me, and I know that the intentions behind it aren't as bad as it must look. Whether that makes me messed up, I guess I'm not the best person to judge.
The assumption you mentioned is a point of view I've seen people give in a lot of these conversations, so I expected it to be involved here. Guess I shouldn't have assumed that's where you were coming from, though. I apologise.
I do object to the idea that what I write centres around the idea that people "should" be treated as objects. It happens, sure, and it's even the point of the story in many cases, but I don't think it's presented in quite that way. It's not meant to be. Might just be splitting hairs, though.
I don't apologise for what I write, or believe that I need to justify it to someone. This is more for the purpose of explaining my point of view. I know this doesn't sit well with many people - most people, even. Sometimes it doesn't even sit well with me, and I know that the intentions behind it aren't as bad as it must look. Whether that makes me messed up, I guess I'm not the best person to judge.
To be honest I feel the need to apologize. I was in a really reeeealy bad mood when I came across your stuff. Guess seeing it set me off further (for reasons I care not to explain) but that's not really a justification for my rather severe, insulting, and personal rant against you. I didn't really read any of the fiction here but knowing its general content was enough to trigger my reaction.
Do I object to this kind if fiction? Yes, strongly, and no amount of judging others and ranting will fix that; I accept that. That's my opinion and mine alone (well it's fair to say I'm probably not alone in this but to drag unknown others into this would be speculative, pointless and not have any relevance to our personal discussion and/or argument) and I won't attempt to shove it down any others throat. Does your interests make you messed up like I accused? That's not for me to judge either.
I admit I admire your convictions and your well thought out responses.I do sincerely hope you accept this apology; we certainly don't have to leave this conversation as friends but I hope we can leave it on a less negative note.
Do I object to this kind if fiction? Yes, strongly, and no amount of judging others and ranting will fix that; I accept that. That's my opinion and mine alone (well it's fair to say I'm probably not alone in this but to drag unknown others into this would be speculative, pointless and not have any relevance to our personal discussion and/or argument) and I won't attempt to shove it down any others throat. Does your interests make you messed up like I accused? That's not for me to judge either.
I admit I admire your convictions and your well thought out responses.I do sincerely hope you accept this apology; we certainly don't have to leave this conversation as friends but I hope we can leave it on a less negative note.
I do accept your apology, and I think I owe you one as well. When I wrote my first comment here yesterday I was also in a rather bad mood about unrelated things. While I don't regret the general point of what I said, I do regret the insulting tone. So, I apologise for that.
As for the rest? Yeah, this isn't something I really expect us to see eye-to-eye on. Writing fiction on this sort of thing (although not all of what I write here is in that vein or goes as far as rape, and I don't think it's even a majority, though I'm not sure if I want to count) is the sort of issue that stirs strong feelings in people. Often that's disgust, and that's probably the most natural response, given that rape itself is a disgusting crime. I can hardly hold that against you.
I am glad that we got to have this conversation, even if we're never going to agree on these things. Like you said, no reason to leave it on a negative note if we don't have to.
As for the rest? Yeah, this isn't something I really expect us to see eye-to-eye on. Writing fiction on this sort of thing (although not all of what I write here is in that vein or goes as far as rape, and I don't think it's even a majority, though I'm not sure if I want to count) is the sort of issue that stirs strong feelings in people. Often that's disgust, and that's probably the most natural response, given that rape itself is a disgusting crime. I can hardly hold that against you.
I am glad that we got to have this conversation, even if we're never going to agree on these things. Like you said, no reason to leave it on a negative note if we don't have to.