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PilgrimJohn Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2007
Osama IS gay, his mom even came out on Fox News and said so, shameful as it was to see.
And just because gays were killed during the holocaust still does not disprove that many Nazis WERE gay. Have you already forgotten? They were never the type to follow their own rules. Those were rules meant for, you know, "the inferior ones."
Marshall Kirk wrote After the Ball along with Hunter Madsen, marketing specialist. I believe I've quoted them a few times before, but I can't remember where. If you want to know a few lines, here are a couple of my favorites:
"...coninuous flood of gay-related advertising, presented in theleast offensive fashion available. If straights can't shut off the shower, they may at least eventually get used to being wet." (On desensitizing the public.)
"The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome... seek desensitization and nothing more... if you can get them to think it is just another thing--meriting no more than a shrug of the shoulders--then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won." (Still on the subject of desensitizing.)
"We mean conversion of the average American's emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propoganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean "subverting" the mechanism of prejudice to our own ends--using the very processes that made America hate us and turn it into warm regard--whether they like it or not."
I especially like the last piece. Really tells you how devious and cunning Kirk and Madsen were. Truly respectable villains, mind you. Translated, they meant they could brainwash people via nonstop brainwashing using various medial forms--like movies (Brokeback Mountain), television (that one gay channel, whatever it's called), and literature (Countless gay "love stories"). Of course, back when this book was written, they couldn't possibly achieve this level of blatancy. They went for more subtle ways instead, until eventually, they could work up enough power to really BLOW UP the issue, you know what I mean.
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RMA-reborn Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2008
If a man who professes a deep attachment to a faith where the holy book states explicitly that homosexuality is not acceptable, then one must seriously question your accusation that he is a homosexual. I would like to see a link to the article which supports your claim - from two separate news sources.

By the inferior ones I assume you mean the "untermenschen" in Nazi ideology. Clearly, your historical knowledge is somewhat underdeveloped, as most of the members of the Nazi who were homosexual (such as Ernst Rohm, head of the SA) were purged from the party relatively early on, including Rohm, who fell victim to the Light of the Long Knives. Further more, the Nazi government was thorough in its application of the laws against the untermenschen at all levels of society - do you really think they would admit many homosexuals if they directly opposed their ideology?

As to the issue of homosexuals somehow swamping the world with "propaganda" to convert the masses of innocent children to their ranks (because homosexuality is like that), your evidence is pathetically thin. You can only name one film and one television channel where homosexuality is openly professed, and, in your eyes "promoted". How many television channels are there that press a Christian agenda? Or indeed, how many other TV channels are there? And why the inverted commas around "love stories"? Are you afraid that homosexuality might not be some hideous AIDS-causing disease that kills everyone who gets it unless they crawl on their knees through the mud to stuff dollars into Pat Robertson's trouser pockets? Because it's not.
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CARTOON-x-HERO Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2007
Okay, buddy...Whatever makes you sleep easier at night.

Too bad the Nazis IMPRISONED gay people.

Sure, the Nazis raped little boys.

FUN FACT, PILGRIM JOHN!
95% of all male rapists are STRAIGHT no matter who they rape!


Being homosexual is about LOVE. Not SEX. And obviously the Nazis were all about HATE.

So unless ALL of the Nazis were in the 5% ratio, that "Nazis are Gay" statistic is bull shit. Don't believe me? GO BACK TO HIGH SCHOOL.
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colliery Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2007  Student Interface Designer
The Queer is the new Jew, and if you were born 90 years earlier you would be preaching how the Jews was brainwashing America.
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PilgrimJohn Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2007
And if you were born 90 years earlier, you'd be dead by now and wouldn't have made such an insipid assessment of our argument, therefore not bothering anyone.
But scathing comments aside, there isn't any proof that Jews brainwashed anyone. There IS proof that the whole "gays aren't accepted but should be in order to make the world a better place argument" is just a big lie. Go read "After the Ball: How America Will Overcome Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90's." You'll see the authors, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madson, outline several political, subversive (And admittedly rather clever) methods of "becoming accepted," to wit:

*Do not, under any circumstances, say that homosexuality is a choice. That opens the can of worms labeled "moral choices" and gives the Religious Right a stick to beat us with.
*The point is to speak of gayness until the topic becomes thoroughly tiresome. If it merits no more than a mere shrug of the shoulders, your battle for acceptance is virtually won.
*We must portray ourselves as victims to call those who formerly despised us to our aid with sympathy for those who get hurt. Likewise, we must portray those who disagree with backwater country preachers, drooling with hate.

The list goes on.
Unless of course, you're implying that you think all Jews are gay, or that all gays are Jewish, or that anyone who could possibly think to disagree with the Brokeback Honeygroup is a Nazi. In which, you're wrong on all accounts.
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LightandMagic Featured By Owner May 15, 2007
Yes, you did imply it with your "They were never the type to follow their own rules. Those were rules meant for, you know, "the inferior ones."
" Implying that they believe that they don't have to follow the rules. A terrible generalization and stereotype.

"I've never implied that gays think they're the greatest people ever--although many of them act that way."

Once again, a generalization. Judging from your attitude, and the people you're likely to associate with I think it's safe to say you've met less than 20 gay people. This is of course not including television personalities. If you don't know a significant amount, how can you know they all think they're the greatest people ever? You can't. And they probably don't think they are. You need to realize that even though all gay people are gay, they're not all clones of one another. They each have unique personalities and whatnot, they're still people.

"Turning their thoughts of resentment into warm regard" means rewriting what we think of them. In short, "brainwashing."

Uh, no not at all. It's trying to stop hate against them. That's not brainwashing, that's called trying to get tolerance, and possibly respect. I'm sure as someone who is resented by a lot of people, you'd rather be warmly regarded, why wouldn't they?

"They even admitted to using propaganda. Furthermore, they even know that gayness isn't an inborn trait.
"Do not, for an instant, mention that gayness is in any way related to choice. That would simply open a can of worms marked 'moral decisions', therefore giving the religious right a stick to beat us with."
So yes, they are the ones who are indeed brainwashing."

Once again, wouldn't biblical pamphlets, books, posters, pictures etc. be brainwashing as well? It's easy to classify anything as propaganda, and by your definition Christian pamphlets and books that glorify the religion certainly are. And just because two writers, one who wasn't even gay, says that being gay is possibly related to choice does not mean that it is. It's one book, and there's thousands of others that say the exact opposite.

"And by the way, Christians aren't brainwashing the public. If that were true, more people would actually BE Christians. Instead, we've got crap like Moral Orel and The Book of Daniel. (In other words, sacrilegious hogwash.)"

Haven't seen either show, so I can't judge on that. But yes, according to your definition Christians are brainwashing the public. They use pamphlets, books, speeches to get people to accept God and Christianity. Isn't that what homosexuals are doing, using pamphlets, books and speeches to get people to accept homosexuality. IT'S THE EXACT SAME. It's a total contradiction, and just because it's against you doesn't mean that you can ignore it.

"So if anyone is being a hypocrite, it's the homosexual community. They're hypocritical for the most obvious fact: they claim to be open and accepting, yet are quick to demonize anyone who criticizes their lifestyle or makes mention of scientific facts that put their lifestyle in a jeopardizinfg situation. How many times have I heard a gay yelling his head off about how EEEEVIIIIIL fundamentalist Christians are? Plenty of times; I work next to a Starbucks. (Beh-bum-pish!)"

Christians are supposed to be accepting and loving, but how many fundamental Christians do I hear insulting, hating and discriminating on homosexuals? And once again, just because AIDS is most prevalent in gay men does not mean they're all liable to get it. It's not some disease that just suddenly pops up when someone comes out of the closet. Not every single gay man is a huge slut who sleeps with every other gay man he knows. Once again, you keep forgetting that these are people, who unlike what you believe, are not clones, and are unique individuals who are all different.

You seem to have a blatant disregard for all Christians who hate, but love to point out the flaws of some homosexuals. Just because a couple of gay people at Starbucks hate Christians does not mean the whole group does. You really don't have a sense on the majority, because you haven't met a significant amount of gay people. It's the same with Christians, I would never presume to sya that they are all hypocritical, because I clearly do not know them all.

"And one more thing: there might be more Christian books and other forms of media than gay media, but tell me how many of them have reached the absurd levels of success as something like Brokeback Mountain? Not many."

The Passion of the Christ. One of the highest selling films of all time. Then there's the thousands upon thousands of Christian shows in the morning. There's so much more Christian media than there is gay media.

Oh, and I love how you are unable to prove your Osama point, so you have disregarded it. And I love the fact that you didn't expand upon the fact you called the writers of a gay acceptance book "villians."

I repeat, you're a hypocrite.
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LightandMagic Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2007
Uhm, care to provide a link to the Osama is gay, maybe a video, or an article? I google searched (and not just now [although I did again] before you posted this) and literally nothing came up. And then there's also the quote where he condemns America for homosexuality being active. [link] (It was the first one I found of the quote). I don't know, America's biggest enemy turning out to be gay I think would be a massive news extravaganza, and the fact that I can't find any info on it makes it seem highly unlikely. I'm already expecting a "GAYS HID IT" remark, and if you do say that, you clearly have no grips on how much influence they have and how the media works.

Once again, like I have said many times before, there probably were a couple of gay Nazis, it's an army of thousands, there has to be a couple of soldiers who were gay. The fact remains they do not for a majority like you've said. And, if they did (which they didn't), why does it matter?

Like I said before all Nazis were German, it doesn't prove that Germans are bad people. If we were to dig up past events, you know, people could mention The Crusades, and the countless amounts of death that brought. (And these were sanctioned by the Pope in most cases in the name of Christendom [link]) These don't reflect very nicely on Christians in the past, but, it doesn't mean Christians are bad people at all.

THE PAST IS THE PAST, AND IT DOES NOT CORRELATE TO CURRENT GROUPS!

So once again, you imply that homosexuals believe that they're the greatest people ever, and that they refuse to follow laws. Once again; biggotry. Just because one or two homosexuals are arrogant doesn't mean the whole lot of them are. It's an offensive generalization.

So they're villians for trying to make homosexuality more accepted? You just called them evil for trying to make homosexuality, and homosexuals themselves not degraded for their sexuality. Wow, nice to see what your subconcious feels.

Furthermore, how is that brainwashing? How many Christian movies, books, and TV shows are there? Many many more than gay movies, or books, or tv shows. Are the Christians brainwashing the public? So, if it's working for you, it's good, but if it's against you, then it's evil.

You're such a hypocrite.
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PilgrimJohn Featured By Owner May 15, 2007
I've implied the what on the who now? I've never implied that gays think they're the greatest people ever--although many of them act that way. If you want an offensive generalization, maybe you should see what some of my pompous critics had to say of Christians.
Furthermore, yes it IS brainwashing: "Turning their thoughts of resentment into warm regard" means rewriting what we think of them. In short, "brainwashing." They even admitted to using propaganda. Furthermore, they even know that gayness isn't an inborn trait.
"Do not, for an instant, mention that gayness is in any way related to choice. That would simply open a can of worms marked 'moral decisions', therefore giving the religious right a stick to beat us with."
So yes, they are the ones who are indeed brainwashing.
And by the way, Christians aren't brainwashing the public. If that were true, more people would actually BE Christians. Instead, we've got crap like Moral Orel and The Book of Daniel. (In other words, sacrilegious hogwash.)
So if anyone is being a hypocrite, it's the homosexual community. They're hypocritical for the most obvious fact: they claim to be open and accepting, yet are quick to demonize anyone who criticizes their lifestyle or makes mention of scientific facts that put their lifestyle in a jeopardizinfg situation. How many times have I heard a gay yelling his head off about how EEEEVIIIIIL fundamentalist Christians are? Plenty of times; I work next to a Starbucks. (Beh-bum-pish!)
And one more thing: there might be more Christian books and other forms of media than gay media, but tell me how many of them have reached the absurd levels of success as something like Brokeback Mountain? Not many.
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bat-tron Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2007
How many times have I heard a gay yelling his head off about how EEEEVIIIIIL fundamentalist Christians are?

Godhatesfags.com [link]

Lemme guess, they're talking about cigarettes, right?

Here, have some video:

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Also, I have a few questions, if you'll indulge me.
Have you ever eaten bacon? or Sausage? or pork of any kind?

"And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you." Leviticus11:7-8

Now, I know you're guilty of this, have you ever talked bad about a person? I know other christians have (godhatesfags.com), in such a way that it endangered people's lives (resulting hate craimes).

'Do not go about spreading slander among your people.
" 'Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am the LORD." Leviticus 19:16

" 'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD." Leviticus 19:18

Do you shave?
" 'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." Leviticus 19:27

My point is, most Christians feel they are exempt from the rules set forth in Leviticus;

"Christians believe that Leviticus is the word of God, but generally do not consider themselves to be bound by all the laws prescribed by the text, due to the implied antinomianism in some passages of the New Testament, notably the letters of Paul." -Wikipedia [link]

Funny then, that Leviticus is the only chapter in the bible that I could find that specifically targets homosexuals.
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."- Leviticus 18:22

I'm not gay, and I'm not christian, but I used to be. So, I've read the bible, and although I certainly don't remember it word for word I do, however, have the BibleGateway.com Searchable bible (which will search topics, not just text) which had this to say:

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I don't think Christians are evil, heck, I have a few christian friends, and I don't think gays are evil, I keep some as friends. Just, you know, bear this in mind:

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you," Luke 6:27

"And one more thing: there might be more Christian books and other forms of media than gay media, but tell me how many of them have reached the absurd levels of success as something like Brokeback Mountain?"

Dude, five words, "The Passion of the Christ" Let's look at the figures, shall we? (in the interest of time I have abbreviated the movie titles to TPOTC, and BBM)

Budget:
TPOTC: $30,000,000 (estimated)
BBM: $14,000,000 (estimated)

Less then HALF of TPOTC's budget. Let's press on shall we?

Opening weekend:
TPOTC: $83,848,082 (USA) (29 February 2004) (3,043 Screens)
BBM: $547,425 (USA) (11 December 2005) (5 Screens)

The figures don't even compare.

Way to not back up your argument with fact.

In short, I believe Bill S. Preston Esquire, and Ted "Theodore" Logan said it best:
"Be excellent to each other. "

Sources:
Bible quotes: The New International Version English Language Bible
Movie facts: Internet movie database [link]
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PilgrimJohn Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2007
1. Money might be an issue with many movies, but on the other hand, what did reviewers have to say about Passion, and what did they have to say about Brokeback Mountain? Critics gave Brokeback quite a warm reception, while most gave Passion the cold shoulder. The money made from the films were from normal, everyday people. The ones who squeak their "discomfort" of "intolerance" loudest are the few magazine journalists who call themselves critics.
2. Eating pork was forbidden from the Jews. Is it really that hard to figure it out? God was giving direct orders to His chosen people, the Jews. I'm not Jewish.
3. So, you're going to lump together those who disagree with extremists like Fred Phelps? I wonder how that would work in other areas of life.

"Mom, can I have some chocolate?"
"No, dear, you'll just spoil your appetite."
"What are you, chocophobic?!"

"Hey, honey! Where's the beer?!"
"You've started your drinking habit again, so I threw it out."
"What are you, alcoholiphobic?!"
"Dear, that's not even a word."

It's pretty easy to simply say that those who say "no" are "drooling with hate." Maybe you oughtta see what your "friendly", "tolerant" pro-homosexual social clowns have been up to.
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They're not so understanding, are they? At least I was candid. All I did was state some historical, medically scientific, and documented facts about their lifestyle, as reported by the Center for Disease Control, Michael Fumento, etc.

Another thing, why is it that I rarely have these arguments with homosexuals concerning homosexuality? I mean, at least it would make SENSE for some gay dude or chick to argue with me over it, but... this is just SILLY.
Your problem isn't that you don't have the facts (Thereby setting you apart from my other debate enemies), but that you're only extolling half-truths to twist the debate into your favor. It's an old trick, but it's still rather effective: if we say SOME things that are true, we can add in something made up or fictional to make people believe us.
But it's not tricky enough to fool me.
By the way, can we discuss this more closely via devNote? My account page is getting cluttered with this kind of thing. I get more "fuck you"s than "hello"s these days.
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bat-tron Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2007
"2. Eating pork was forbidden from the Jews. Is it really that hard to figure it out? God was giving direct orders to His chosen people, the Jews. I'm not Jewish."

If the rules of Leviticus only apply to the Jews, then why do you cling to the rule in Leviticus about homosexuality. I haven't seen any other passage in the bible that says THOUGH SHALT NOT BE FAGGOTY.
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