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Die you blasphemer!!Av en eller annen grunn trodde jeg du var en Naruto Fan
Syns Bleach er bedre jeg
Syns det er ganske irriterende når folk bare tracer bildene, og likevel så blir de populære
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(I can't understand why people don't post comment in English, considering that the great majority of the deviants registered in this community understand solely English, the journal was posted in english and that it's very rude. But, whatever. Maybe whatever the person said aren't really worthy a translation....)
While I find it nice that people display their appreciation for certain cartoon/anime/tv show though fan-art, I can't help but to feel bothered to see that people are getting known not because of their efforts in make original art, but because they simply and merely copy something already famous. They doesn't even care in develop their own style, they simply take illustration and copy expression, poses, etc. There's nothing of art when you simply copy. If you point out something bad about it, they take it as personal and will even turn rude on you. While they're forgetting that it's healthy to like something, but at the same time they claim for people to respect their way to be, they should respect people's opinions.
If you check fanart from professional artists, you'll notice they don't copy the original style, they simply draw the characters in their own. Because a real artist don't want to be known as someone who "resemble that other famous artist", he wants to be known for his own efforts in create his own style, that will mark him as something different from everybody. When you simply copy, you are simply copying. There's nothing new, there's nothing yours.
And I'm not saying fan-art if bad. No no no. I'm saying that "COPY just because" is bad. Ripped off art-style shouldn't make it's way to the front page. It's only stealing space from people who have something original to show.
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While I find it nice that people display their appreciation for certain cartoon/anime/tv show though fan-art, I can't help but to feel bothered to see that people are getting known not because of their efforts in make original art, but because they simply and merely copy something already famous. They doesn't even care in develop their own style, they simply take illustration and copy expression, poses, etc. There's nothing of art when you simply copy. If you point out something bad about it, they take it as personal and will even turn rude on you. While they're forgetting that it's healthy to like something, but at the same time they claim for people to respect their way to be, they should respect people's opinions.
If you check fanart from professional artists, you'll notice they don't copy the original style, they simply draw the characters in their own. Because a real artist don't want to be known as someone who "resemble that other famous artist", he wants to be known for his own efforts in create his own style, that will mark him as something different from everybody. When you simply copy, you are simply copying. There's nothing new, there's nothing yours.
And I'm not saying fan-art if bad. No no no. I'm saying that "COPY just because" is bad. Ripped off art-style shouldn't make it's way to the front page. It's only stealing space from people who have something original to show.
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Sanity's a limitation.
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I will stay on my own. On this bloodstained throne...
"Who deserve fame the most? The guy with his own idea, or the Picture to honor Naruto?"
So just beecuase you've seen the charcter before the piece of art you've been wokring on for days is not really yours and not really art? So you don't deserve any fame at all?
Even though everything else got nothing to do with Naruto at all? "And most artists don't even care about the fame" :
No one deserves fame more than others it's just that some themes are more attractive to certan persons than others. And if that is Naruto so be it, if it was Bleack you've would been ranting about Bleach instead.
"It's not yours. You've seen so incredibly much Naruto that you've been obsessed."
How can you say it's not yours? It's not like they traced a screenshot or anything. Everything about the picture is something you've planned. You planned to draw naruto in that pose with that background and that foreground doing whatever he does. People are fully able to choose what to draw, Naruto is not a "wall" standing in the way of their imagination. It's something some people choose to pick up on the way. I enjoy Naruto, but that doesn't mean I can't draw anything else because a huge Naruto monster is eating my brain. It's something I choose with my own free will to draw when I feel like it or I may draw anything else like say a creature.
"I'm utterly disappointed! Just to make it all a tad bit worse. you take credit for it.. you Brag and SELL it yourself. My level of disappointment is rising"
Now everyone on dA obeys the copyright law. No one ever said they made up the entire Naruto plot. You can't look down at the people selling their fan art. They're only selling it because people are willing to buy for it and like you ART your STYLE, not becuase of the characters.
"When will you guys come back to reality that you actually are a part of?"
Soooo drawing dragons and aliens and fanatsy creatures is all wrong because it's not part of reality? Come on, art is way beyond reality!
who likes reality anyway? >.>
"When will you break down the brickwall that is keeping you from creating something to be proud of calling 100% yours?"
Nothing is 100% yours. Everything you draw is a product of something you've seen before.
"If you litterally make a naruto character and add a little twist, then call it your own creation! Then I'm disappointed in you! If you fill your entire gallery with that character, then I die in disappointment!"
how little of a twist are we talking about? chaning the hair color or eye color? yes then I agree. A shorter skirt then an already made outfit, yes then I agree. But if you can cleary see that the person sat down and thought everything through. The hair style the clothing everything! The only thing that reminds you of any naruto character is the headband then I disagree.
That would be like...let's use Nacht as an example since you know him so well and say, "Hey that hand is like Edward Scissorhans, you can't draw that it's not art, it's not 100% yours."
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He's like fire, and ice, and rage. He's like the night and the storm and the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time and he can see the turn of the universe. And he's wonderful.
So just beecuase you've seen the charcter before the piece of art you've been wokring on for days is not really yours and not really art? So you don't deserve any fame at all?
Even though everything else got nothing to do with Naruto at all? "And most artists don't even care about the fame" :
No one deserves fame more than others it's just that some themes are more attractive to certan persons than others. And if that is Naruto so be it, if it was Bleack you've would been ranting about Bleach instead.
"It's not yours. You've seen so incredibly much Naruto that you've been obsessed."
How can you say it's not yours? It's not like they traced a screenshot or anything. Everything about the picture is something you've planned. You planned to draw naruto in that pose with that background and that foreground doing whatever he does. People are fully able to choose what to draw, Naruto is not a "wall" standing in the way of their imagination. It's something some people choose to pick up on the way. I enjoy Naruto, but that doesn't mean I can't draw anything else because a huge Naruto monster is eating my brain. It's something I choose with my own free will to draw when I feel like it or I may draw anything else like say a creature.
"I'm utterly disappointed! Just to make it all a tad bit worse. you take credit for it.. you Brag and SELL it yourself. My level of disappointment is rising"
Now everyone on dA obeys the copyright law. No one ever said they made up the entire Naruto plot. You can't look down at the people selling their fan art. They're only selling it because people are willing to buy for it and like you ART your STYLE, not becuase of the characters.
"When will you guys come back to reality that you actually are a part of?"
Soooo drawing dragons and aliens and fanatsy creatures is all wrong because it's not part of reality? Come on, art is way beyond reality!
who likes reality anyway? >.>
"When will you break down the brickwall that is keeping you from creating something to be proud of calling 100% yours?"
Nothing is 100% yours. Everything you draw is a product of something you've seen before.
"If you litterally make a naruto character and add a little twist, then call it your own creation! Then I'm disappointed in you! If you fill your entire gallery with that character, then I die in disappointment!"
how little of a twist are we talking about? chaning the hair color or eye color? yes then I agree. A shorter skirt then an already made outfit, yes then I agree. But if you can cleary see that the person sat down and thought everything through. The hair style the clothing everything! The only thing that reminds you of any naruto character is the headband then I disagree.
That would be like...let's use Nacht as an example since you know him so well and say, "Hey that hand is like Edward Scissorhans, you can't draw that it's not art, it's not 100% yours."
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He's like fire, and ice, and rage. He's like the night and the storm and the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time and he can see the turn of the universe. And he's wonderful.
"That would be like...let's use Nacht as an example since you know him so well and say, "Hey that hand is like Edward Scissorhans, you can't draw that it's not art, it's not 100% yours."
Ok ok... now I'll pronounce....
Nacht story has nothing to with Edward's, that's a fact. You can't even talk about. The gloves aren't anything new, if you search a bit you'll find out that gauntlets with claws are a well known weapon and if you check for Edward's hands you'll see that it hardly look like Nacht's. You could even want to say they're like Freddy Crugger's, which would please me too If to say about the look, you could talk about Nacht's gothic style. Which is the same line of style used by Tim Burton on his Edward Scissorhands.
It's 100% mine because the plot aren't related to any other. The clothing style is nothing but a touch of a pseudo punk-goth stylish. The claw gloves aren't but a well known weapon. I'm repeating it here because people seems to ignore what's convenient, so, to make sure it won't be ignored, I'll type again.
And when yo INTENTIONALLY made something that will force people to think about another, it's called REFERENCE. When you use elements from third party's work, claiming to be on your agenda even before you seeing the professional work, it has another name. If to be unfair, anybody can be unfair.
Wanna a nice and TRUE example of an original character that ended up having a twin brother on a famous work, I can talk about that movie about that crazy superhero, disguised in green, that comedy movie, whose name scape me right now. I had an OC that everybody here pointed to look like him, the detail is that my OC was made some years before the movie. Wanna I link? I have a link: [link] . AH! The movie's name is "Superhero Movie".
So, please, don't use Nacht as an example of "rip off", because I take a lot of care to NOT end up COPYING. Frankly, now it's me the one disappointed here.
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Ok ok... now I'll pronounce....
Nacht story has nothing to with Edward's, that's a fact. You can't even talk about. The gloves aren't anything new, if you search a bit you'll find out that gauntlets with claws are a well known weapon and if you check for Edward's hands you'll see that it hardly look like Nacht's. You could even want to say they're like Freddy Crugger's, which would please me too If to say about the look, you could talk about Nacht's gothic style. Which is the same line of style used by Tim Burton on his Edward Scissorhands.
It's 100% mine because the plot aren't related to any other. The clothing style is nothing but a touch of a pseudo punk-goth stylish. The claw gloves aren't but a well known weapon. I'm repeating it here because people seems to ignore what's convenient, so, to make sure it won't be ignored, I'll type again.
And when yo INTENTIONALLY made something that will force people to think about another, it's called REFERENCE. When you use elements from third party's work, claiming to be on your agenda even before you seeing the professional work, it has another name. If to be unfair, anybody can be unfair.
Wanna a nice and TRUE example of an original character that ended up having a twin brother on a famous work, I can talk about that movie about that crazy superhero, disguised in green, that comedy movie, whose name scape me right now. I had an OC that everybody here pointed to look like him, the detail is that my OC was made some years before the movie. Wanna I link? I have a link: [link] . AH! The movie's name is "Superhero Movie".
So, please, don't use Nacht as an example of "rip off", because I take a lot of care to NOT end up COPYING. Frankly, now it's me the one disappointed here.
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Sanity's a limitation.
I'm trying to understand what you're upset about. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it basically boils down to fanart ya? This seems to be a common argument on DA for similar reasons, especially when the DA popular section was redone. Oh my gosh... that was a cow and a half!
I don't think you're the atheist either. You have just as much right to what you believe as everyone else does, and don't worry I'm not going to kill you if you don't believe in Jesus, even if I'm Christian.
I'm proud that you express yourself without hesitation! Sometimes that takes guts.
As for my thoughts on fanart and its way of overtaking me -- I'll be the first to admit that yesh I do love drawing fanart. It's pretty dominant in my art, and mainly because it inspires me the most. I can watch or read something good and have the craving to do some art the way I want of it.
I do have "original" art too, but it's not like I have to post everything I have on DA.
Like now my sister and I are plotting a story about ourselves! It's pretty fun, but I probably won't be posting that here after realizing how long DTA has taken... oh my gosh I will never do a comic on DA again! D: haha well, hopefully that's not true, but that's just how I feel.
I don't think you're the atheist either. You have just as much right to what you believe as everyone else does, and don't worry I'm not going to kill you if you don't believe in Jesus, even if I'm Christian.
I'm proud that you express yourself without hesitation! Sometimes that takes guts. As for my thoughts on fanart and its way of overtaking me -- I'll be the first to admit that yesh I do love drawing fanart. It's pretty dominant in my art, and mainly because it inspires me the most. I can watch or read something good and have the craving to do some art the way I want of it.
I do have "original" art too, but it's not like I have to post everything I have on DA.
Like now my sister and I are plotting a story about ourselves! It's pretty fun, but I probably won't be posting that here after realizing how long DTA has taken... oh my gosh I will never do a comic on DA again! D: haha well, hopefully that's not true, but that's just how I feel.I believe what she meant is that the fan-art is a way for people to show their appreciation for a third party's work. But it's wrong to go and get a hold of it as yours and make fame using someone else's hard work.
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I am sorry that's what silla told me. that you got the idea from him.
yes, yes I've seen Edward and I don't think it looks alike either, but that's what she told me.
wow I am sorry
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He's like fire, and ice, and rage. He's like the night and the storm and the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time and he can see the turn of the universe. And he's wonderful.
yes, yes I've seen Edward and I don't think it looks alike either, but that's what she told me.
wow I am sorry
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He's like fire, and ice, and rage. He's like the night and the storm and the heart of the sun. He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time and he can see the turn of the universe. And he's wonderful.
Ahh, well I can understand that. So for profit right? That would be illegal. I know some people make prints on here, but I don't think that's smart. In the case of Naruto, if Kishi really wanted to, he could crack down on that, but at the same time it would be difficult since Naruto is all over the place.
If fame means getting on the frontpage, well that would be even harder for fanartists to do now with the way they've redone the popular, but can't be too against the artist since it's really the mass crowd that favors it. I understand the frustration, but that's just the way the majority of the DA crowd is.
Since I replied to you... maybe Silla will see this if she scrolls down the replies. hehe ^^:
If fame means getting on the frontpage, well that would be even harder for fanartists to do now with the way they've redone the popular, but can't be too against the artist since it's really the mass crowd that favors it. I understand the frustration, but that's just the way the majority of the DA crowd is.
Since I replied to you... maybe Silla will see this if she scrolls down the replies. hehe ^^:
He is a homage to Tim Burton, as a fan, I never tried to hide it. But he is not a rip off =/ That's what I said here. Don't take things personal, it's just an exposition of ideas. And if you read carefully, what Silla-chan is saying is something that doesn't lack in truth, not aimed at anybody in special, but to this problem as a whole. So, be cool. Nobody wants to fight. And two are friends and I hope you won't go upset at her. Instead, we all should be happy because our silla is defending something she believes, regardless the consequences. Here I'm all proud.
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What would you think when you saw that kakashi-cat, named bob? Would you think Silla, or would you think naruto-character?
Wouldn't you think I had stolen a bit if I sold a cartoon with that cat? I think so!
CREATIVITY should be honored! it's not creative with a character that remind you of something that the rest of the million "creative" artists just came up with! And what if my style was realistic.
Then suddenly I convert into manga-ness, just because I wanna draw a cat that's only 50% my idea, and the rest taken 100% out of one single show on the internet. it's not even a twist in the outfit. I see kakashi, you see kakashi, everbody see kakashi, and he's NOT your creation! And I cannot underline and highlight/describe this enough!
Naruto have turned into a wall! Because people draw something naruto like, write a story about it with a demon inside. When someone come and say.. "Hey.. isn't that taken from Naruto?" They just hug it tight and go like.. "NOOOOO!! IT'S MINE! I had this idea! I worked for five whole minutes with thinking out this idea while I was watching Naruto!"
They're so sissy about something like this! And they don't know what fan art is really about. They should sign up for school, or actually show up where they're already going. Maybe they learn a thing or two?
If you work for that person then it's ok! Then you can sell as much of that art as you can possibly do! But no one here is working for someone like that! And still they behave like they do. No ideas of their own, even! Just draw and draw naruto because that's what they can and it gives them fame, because naruto is in millions of hearts all over the world! That's misuse, rather than being honest and accepting that they're actually drawing something made up by another person, and not themselves. They're selfpromoting like hell with their ways of climbing the ladder of fame!
IF they use their style Imb. I have to say that what you just said, you're not sure about! People often drop their style when drawing naruto! They draw anime. They're biggest wishes is to make their piece of art look as alike the original naruto art as possible. That's the wrong set of thinking! Artists are usually those that come across new and exciting ideas! Not narrow it down to the simple alikeness-factor.
you're dragged away from your own imagination and into naruto-world! When you're back, you bring Naruto along and drop other ideas, because they're lame compared to the allmighty naruto w/twist!
By twist, I mean.. look! Read trough peoples visions! Just look at their pictures! What pops up in your head? Is it Naruto? If you manage to compare a character with another one without even thinking, then it's too alike that character! Then they must do something about it to make THEIR name being remembered for their own idea! If not it'll be like.. "Oh see! He's famous for his own naruto-character." I don't like that people put another persons idea in front of the idea of that person! I would take it as an insult if people compared my silla to someone! I don't care if it's a chair! I would be insulted! I want to have something inspired by my heros, but not THE hero itself in a different shape! I bet many want something to be remembered for, but you believe that a naruto-character/Bleach-character/peter-pan character will be it? I just don't like what everyones characters really are..
And I have to say that you couldn't compare Nacht to Tim burtons creations before I said so. I said that his character was inspired by that edward scissorhand's creator! I didn't see that myself even! because he have put so much work, accepted so much critique/good words about his character that he could make his own, and not tim burtons imaginary characters!
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