Dawn-Stone's avatar
I quite like this interpretation! The stitching is an interesting touch.

It's a shame that you have to forget female gardevoir exist. They don't have to be the curvaceous cutesy moegirls that a lot of the fandom likes to portray them as; they can be as cool, aloof or even masculine as any male gardevoir, and have that same kind of "allure". Heck, I have a female gardevoir character who's been assumed to be male by most people who've seen her.
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I know. It was not the female Gardevoir themselves, heck no, but the fandom's attitude towards them, if you know what I mean. ^^; In a sense, it's like how some fans can spawn anti-fans in others, not because of the character, but because of the fandom.
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I know what you mean, though... I personally find the fandom's attitude toward the males of the species more annoying than the females. I tend to look at the bland, stereotypical "sexy" female gardevoir characters with a "meh" attitude; they don't bother me so much as leave me indifferent to them.

What does get to me, for some reason, is when someone has a male one and makes a huge deal over its gender as if it's the only thing that matters. Either it's "funny" because it "looks like a gurl harharhar", or they think they're automatically "cool" or "hipster" for having a male gardevoir even if it's personality is just as bland or stereotypical. Honestly? Even if they're not as "mainstream" as females of their own species, male gardevoirs get more attention than a lot of pokemon as a whole. I just feel like people make such a huge hoo-haa about it every time and it grates on me.

Kind of what led me to give my female gardevoir a somewhat masculine appearance and personality. The fact that she's been mistaken for a guy so many times almost makes me want to go rub it in the face of all the people who've made overdone comics about male gardevoirs "having their gender confused". Ehh.
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...I don't think I'm automatically cool because I have - or like - male Gardevoir. CB

But yeah. Even here when somebody post a "MALE" Gardevoir people automatically flock to it, and I'm not innocent from that either. Not to mention that they have to specify that it's "MALE" ALL THE TIME...

My female Gardevoir characters tend to come out with no-frills, cut-and-dry or tomboyish personalities. I think of it as my own rebelling against the "bland, stereotypical, sexy" depiction of the females.

To me, the whole "gender confusion" makes absolutely no sense anyway. Pokemon should be able to tell each others' gender. :/ The possibility of mistaken gender should be no greater than that what's found in humans.
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Sorry, when I said she was mistaken for a guy I meant more about the assuptions other people and roleplayers I've met have made. I haven't made it a background to have her constantly mistaken for male "because she's a gardevoir" or anything like that, she just... has been, in my experience roleplaying her. I agree with you on that, so sorry if I came across differently.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "no-frills" or "cut-and-dry"...? Sorry, I'm not always good with expressions/terminology.

And I wasn't meaning to accuse you or anyone in particular of thinking you're cool or anything. I happen to be a huge fan of the species myself, and certainly don't like one gender "more" than the other.

It's just peoples' attitude about it in general, as you mentioned. The fact that people flock toward "MALE" gardevoir characters (or other pokemon species people perceive as "feminine" for various reasons, though gardevoir is definitely the biggest case). It feels like a lot of people are quick to dismiss females of these species as too overrated or mainstream for their attention, and show interest in the male characters because they're apparently more unique, without even considering the character's personality most of the time.

And yes... I can understand that they might feel the need to specify the character's gender if they were having a lot of people address it incorrectly... but the deal people make over it, and characters who have their whole personality centered around it, really bother me.
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Ah, that makes it cooler then. x3

(I meant those words to mean "unembellished, blunt and gets to the point". Even though... I'm not an RPer, so I'd have to write down those characters in a fanfic if at all xP)

While female Gardevoir ARE pretty much "overrated"... ._. Males are "overrated" in another way... And neither do I quite buy either "It's a male harharhar" or "It's a f****** male Goddammit". Like I implied, my male Gardevoir characters never have their gender questioned or have it as any kind of problem. They are just... guys. :P (I did make a few of them to be gay, but that's not relevant.)

I do recognize that my opinions in this case were shaped by the fandom, though. xD Namely, this is the only species of Pokemon where I disproportionately prefer one gender above another, and they don't even have a gender difference. x3
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I guess when you bring your characters into stories with others that aren't your own, things become different because you can no longer control the assumptions those other characters, or the people roleplaying them, will make about yours, the way they will react to them or the things they'll say.

I wish I could say my characters didn't have to deal with gender being questioned, but they have by other characters outside of my control. They are generally indifferent when it happens, though.

Heh, that describes my gardevoir pretty well too, actually. And yes, I admit I do get a thrill out of her being mistaken for a guy, mostly because it proves that if people can get away from the stereotypes associated with the species itself, gender confusion isn't any different than it is in humans, as you said. So yes, I do think it's "cool" in that sense.

I'm going to disagree and say that female gardevoir in general aren't "overrated" - it's a particular stereotypical image of them that is.

Actually, I strongly dislike the word "overrated". Just because something happens to be popular doesn't mean you can't make an interesting character or story around it.

I just don't see why a pokemon character should be treated as any less interesting because one little symbol next to its name suddenly makes it "overrated" or "mainstream".
Aetherya's avatar
As for "overrated", I use that word differently from "cliche'd". It IS very possible to make an interesting story/character around a popular thing, but something "overrated" tends to get blown out of proportion and is taken for more than what it is actually capable of.

Still, something is only "overrated" for someone who doesn't like it. For a fan, it deserves all the popularity it's got. :lol:
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