Comment on T Party vs OWS Arrests by BluePhoenixx
I'm not crying about the guns themselves, actually. But doesn't there seem to be something interesting about unarmed, largely non-violent people being arrested while another group with the exact same level of violence is not arrested?
Where are you getting most of your information about OWS? I'm not criticizing at all, I'm really genuinely curious--Have you been down to the actual protests yourself? I've been to numerous cities, and I haven't encountered a single case of violence, rape, or robbery.
The only incidences where I've heard of some violence is in Oakland--and Oakland is just a violent city in general, I know from experience. There's going to be some people who just want to jump on the bandwagon, and cause drama and violence. But the vast majority of people I've encountered have been entirely peaceful--angry and frustrated, but nonetheless peaceful, and mature.
Where are you getting most of your information about OWS? I'm not criticizing at all, I'm really genuinely curious--Have you been down to the actual protests yourself? I've been to numerous cities, and I haven't encountered a single case of violence, rape, or robbery.
The only incidences where I've heard of some violence is in Oakland--and Oakland is just a violent city in general, I know from experience. There's going to be some people who just want to jump on the bandwagon, and cause drama and violence. But the vast majority of people I've encountered have been entirely peaceful--angry and frustrated, but nonetheless peaceful, and mature.
"Unarmed"? Possibly. "Largely non-violent?" Definitely not... and not just in Oakland. I find it more interesting that people choose to ignore the fact that illegal activity is going on and that is the reason why there have been so many arrests. However, I do have to say that I'm not sure which group you're referring to when you said, "another group with the exact same level of violence is not arrested..." The Tea Party? The police? The Lollypop Guild?
I'm getting my information from firsthand experience in a couple cities, from pictures of people caught in the act, from videos of people describing the things they are experiencing and witnessing for themselves in other cities, from the tv news, from printed news, and from internet news outlets. Some biased but mostly unbiased or even biased in the opposite direction.
I'm happy to admit that the those awful events don't happen more often than not. But just because you haven't experienced it, that doesn't mean that it isn't happening. I've never experienced a shred of racism at Tea Party events, in fact I've experienced the opposite, but I'm not going to pretend that there haven't been a couple jack asses with racist signs. However, I'd much rather have a few racists than have a few rapists a few thieves a few sexual molesters and a man who shits on cop cars.
I'm getting my information from firsthand experience in a couple cities, from pictures of people caught in the act, from videos of people describing the things they are experiencing and witnessing for themselves in other cities, from the tv news, from printed news, and from internet news outlets. Some biased but mostly unbiased or even biased in the opposite direction.
I'm happy to admit that the those awful events don't happen more often than not. But just because you haven't experienced it, that doesn't mean that it isn't happening. I've never experienced a shred of racism at Tea Party events, in fact I've experienced the opposite, but I'm not going to pretend that there haven't been a couple jack asses with racist signs. However, I'd much rather have a few racists than have a few rapists a few thieves a few sexual molesters and a man who shits on cop cars.
The entire movement is aiming to get corporate money out of politics, and so as the movement gains momentum, politicians are pushing mayors to squash the protests. The police presence has less to do with the behavior of the protestors, than it does with the nature of the entire protest itself. Camps have been raided by the police for simply existing (as opposed to because of violence or crime)--and so of course this is going to cause tension and frustration on the protestors' behalf. If the Tea Party was being targeted by police force as much as OWS simply because of its nature, then I guarantee the arrest rates would be similar.
And I would say that greatest difference of that nature is the difference between state and federal frustration. From what I've gathered, the Tea Party seems to be angry with strictly the federal government--whereas OWS wants change at both the state and federal level. And wealthy governors who profit from coporate donations don't like that...So they pressure mayors to remove the protestors. I know this is specifically true in New York. Govornor Cuomo and Mayor Jennings of Albany planned on raiding Occupy Albany. The DA and police chief, after seeing the true, peaceful nature of the protest, refused.
I wonder how many of the 992 listed in this image actually committed violent acts. If you watch raw footage of the protests, you can see police officers grabbing people left and right, without instigation. Granted, there are a few instigators, but certainly not in scale with the amount of peaceful people arrested.
And I would say that greatest difference of that nature is the difference between state and federal frustration. From what I've gathered, the Tea Party seems to be angry with strictly the federal government--whereas OWS wants change at both the state and federal level. And wealthy governors who profit from coporate donations don't like that...So they pressure mayors to remove the protestors. I know this is specifically true in New York. Govornor Cuomo and Mayor Jennings of Albany planned on raiding Occupy Albany. The DA and police chief, after seeing the true, peaceful nature of the protest, refused.
I wonder how many of the 992 listed in this image actually committed violent acts. If you watch raw footage of the protests, you can see police officers grabbing people left and right, without instigation. Granted, there are a few instigators, but certainly not in scale with the amount of peaceful people arrested.
you cannot stay on properties if the owner of the property tell you to leave. that is what ows continually does, and that is very illegal. tea party does not do that, because tea party does not really camp out.
so yes they are doing illegal acts, whether violent or not is irrelevant to arrest. one does not commit violence when they lift $5000 from a shopfront after all.
thievery and rapists, ahhh fun~
so yes they are doing illegal acts, whether violent or not is irrelevant to arrest. one does not commit violence when they lift $5000 from a shopfront after all.
thievery and rapists, ahhh fun~
Amen. Well said.
no problem yo.