Hear, hear!
I can pretty much just repeat all you just said... People hate on these movies for all the wrong reasons... And it really irks me, because it's absolutely unfair in this case. PJ and his crew put so much effort and love into making these movies, and yet, many dismiss them as mere "cashgrabs", even though that couldn't be further away from the truth... It really is mindboggling... -_-
I can pretty much just repeat all you just said... People hate on these movies for all the wrong reasons... And it really irks me, because it's absolutely unfair in this case. PJ and his crew put so much effort and love into making these movies, and yet, many dismiss them as mere "cashgrabs", even though that couldn't be further away from the truth... It really is mindboggling... -_-
Like... they say they split it into three movies just for the money. Which is insane - he wouldn't put his freakin' soul into each movie if that was the case. Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1 - now THAT is an example of a book being split into more than one movie just for the money, because almost nothing happens in that movie. Well, nothing that couldn't be shortened down to 20-30 minutes, at least.
And... something like seeing the dwarf army now in Battle of the Five Armies, and seeing how they operate? We've never ever seen that before in ANY movie, and it looks SO awesome... yet, people don't seem to care.
And... something like seeing the dwarf army now in Battle of the Five Armies, and seeing how they operate? We've never ever seen that before in ANY movie, and it looks SO awesome... yet, people don't seem to care.
Exactly. If it was a cashgrab, they would just pump out 3 90 minute movies, and that with much less detail and work put into them. I mean I have the Official Movie Guide and the Chronicles books for the movies, and you can read in great detail in them, how much effort was put into making these things, further evidenced by the DVD behind the scenes, and so forth... And yet, some people DARE to say, it's a lasy cashgrab... Well, I'm 100% certain, that those idiots have never ever work even half as hard as anyone on these movies in their bloody lives.
Anyone, who can just look at these movies and say, that there was no effort put into them, is either lying or outright stupid.
Not to mention, that all these haters never even bring any arguments to the table, they just... declare things. Maybe someone should tell them, that's not how arguments work...
Anyone, who can just look at these movies and say, that there was no effort put into them, is either lying or outright stupid.
Not to mention, that all these haters never even bring any arguments to the table, they just... declare things. Maybe someone should tell them, that's not how arguments work...
It's pretty ironic how THEY accuse them of being lazy with the Hobbit movies... meanwhile, they are themselves being lazy by not looking up stuff before spewing out unfair statements. Like, there's no way in hell any of the haters have seen the behind-the-scenes material for the Hobbit movies.
I mean, sure... there are arguments that are fine to state for having problems with the movies. But... this stuff with accusing the movies for overusing CGI? Come on... there's just as much of the practical effects, models, set-pieces, and real costumes this time around as in the Lord of the Rings movies. People are just whiny because SOME of the new orcs are in CGI. And... CGI seems to be irrationally popular to harp on no matter what.
I mean, sure... there are arguments that are fine to state for having problems with the movies. But... this stuff with accusing the movies for overusing CGI? Come on... there's just as much of the practical effects, models, set-pieces, and real costumes this time around as in the Lord of the Rings movies. People are just whiny because SOME of the new orcs are in CGI. And... CGI seems to be irrationally popular to harp on no matter what.
But... this stuff with accusing the movies for overusing CGI?
Oh God, I'm soooo tired of those... Although this isn't exclusive to the Hobbit movies, but still. They talk as if CGI is a bad thing. Not to mention, for every movie that comes out, some bloody idiot will just go and state that "this is the worst CGI I have ever seen, Jurassic Park had better CGI than this", which is obviously bullshit...
I mean there were some crybabies who were stupid enough to say, that Smaug was the worst CGI they have ever seen... Like, really? Smaug?! These movies had pretty much no "bad CGI", and Smaug was not only amazing, but a whole new level, so how anyone can say something like that is beyond me...
And all this hate on Azog...
I mean let's be real, they could have never done those facial movements he had with practical effects... I mean pretty much all orks in LOTR were just grunting and hating, but we never really saw an orc like Azog before, in terms of personality. I mean the guy displays a huge array of emotions - something no orc before has done - , and to bring that alive, you need an actor's performance. Something you can't really do through a tick, prostetic mask, but is completely possible through CGI.
Not to mention that because he is CGI, they aren't limited to 7 foot actors anymore, so instead of some basketballplayer or wrestler, they can get an actual actor for the role...
But then again, he's CGI and he's not in the book, so I guess that makes him a perfect bullseye for online haters.
Another fun thing about CGI haters is, that often their comments betray the fact, that they can't even tell CGI from practical effects... ^_^ I remember some guy telling me, how this and that in the movies was crap, because it was CGI, even though they were done with practical effects... And when I told him, he told me to fuck myself and left in a sissy fit... XD
It's pretty ironic how THEY accuse them of being lazy with the Hobbit movies... meanwhile, they are themselves being lazy by not looking up stuff before spewing out unfair statements.
Ah yes, my favorite kind... It seems to be the general attitude of the 21st century to be a whiny, entitled asshole, sadly, at least for most people. Most people don't even argue, they just .... state things. And everythings about how they could have done better, how Big Bag Hollywood is all evil, how they raped their childhoods and all that fake melodrama....
A good example for this would be the subject of this one:
yourparodies.deviantart.com/ar…
And I took this one word for word from an actual Youtube comment... And there are waaay too many lazy, entitled, arrogant whiners like that around.
They write first and think later - or better yet, don't think at all.
It's just sad, really... Millions of years of evolution went into crafting the human brain, and all for what?
Oh God, I'm soooo tired of those... Although this isn't exclusive to the Hobbit movies, but still. They talk as if CGI is a bad thing. Not to mention, for every movie that comes out, some bloody idiot will just go and state that "this is the worst CGI I have ever seen, Jurassic Park had better CGI than this", which is obviously bullshit...
I mean there were some crybabies who were stupid enough to say, that Smaug was the worst CGI they have ever seen... Like, really? Smaug?! These movies had pretty much no "bad CGI", and Smaug was not only amazing, but a whole new level, so how anyone can say something like that is beyond me...
And all this hate on Azog...
I mean let's be real, they could have never done those facial movements he had with practical effects... I mean pretty much all orks in LOTR were just grunting and hating, but we never really saw an orc like Azog before, in terms of personality. I mean the guy displays a huge array of emotions - something no orc before has done - , and to bring that alive, you need an actor's performance. Something you can't really do through a tick, prostetic mask, but is completely possible through CGI.
Not to mention that because he is CGI, they aren't limited to 7 foot actors anymore, so instead of some basketballplayer or wrestler, they can get an actual actor for the role...
But then again, he's CGI and he's not in the book, so I guess that makes him a perfect bullseye for online haters.
Another fun thing about CGI haters is, that often their comments betray the fact, that they can't even tell CGI from practical effects... ^_^ I remember some guy telling me, how this and that in the movies was crap, because it was CGI, even though they were done with practical effects... And when I told him, he told me to fuck myself and left in a sissy fit... XD
It's pretty ironic how THEY accuse them of being lazy with the Hobbit movies... meanwhile, they are themselves being lazy by not looking up stuff before spewing out unfair statements.
Ah yes, my favorite kind... It seems to be the general attitude of the 21st century to be a whiny, entitled asshole, sadly, at least for most people. Most people don't even argue, they just .... state things. And everythings about how they could have done better, how Big Bag Hollywood is all evil, how they raped their childhoods and all that fake melodrama....
A good example for this would be the subject of this one:
yourparodies.deviantart.com/ar…
And I took this one word for word from an actual Youtube comment... And there are waaay too many lazy, entitled, arrogant whiners like that around.
They write first and think later - or better yet, don't think at all.
It's just sad, really... Millions of years of evolution went into crafting the human brain, and all for what?
What the fuck?! People say the CGI of Smaug and Azog is bad?! It looks fucking amazing, what the hell are they even talking about?!
But yeah, it's honestly almost hilariously bad with how much people exaggerate how "shitty" CGI is to them... all just because they can SEE it's CGI. But heck, unlike the Lord of the Rings movies, the Hobbit movies SHOULD feel more "fantasy"-like or "fairy tale"-like, keeping in tone with the book. This is also why they have the so-called "CGI-filter" in a lot of scenes. People call it ugly and fake... meanwhile, I think it makes the scenes look like beautiful paintings in movements. Just because it doesn't look so-called "realistic" doesn't mean it's ugly. -_-
LOL Really? XD You know, that reminds me of the weird shit people say about Billy Connolly as Dain Ironfoot in Battle of the Five Armies. They question "why they had to make his face CGI"... and, now after watching the movie three times and seeing the behind-the-scenes stuff, I got to ask what the hell they are talking about?
"Durr, his face looks different than in the production footage"... yeah, so? That doesn't mean it's in CGI in the movie. Just like with the other dwarves, they altered the prosthetics. There is no CGI in his face in the movie, for crying out loud. -_-
LOL That's brilliant. XD Did the idiot who wrote that see this, by the way?
I mean, really now... people just want to respond with hatred as much as they can. But... meh, what can you do? At least people like you and I love and appreciate the movies.
But yeah, it's honestly almost hilariously bad with how much people exaggerate how "shitty" CGI is to them... all just because they can SEE it's CGI. But heck, unlike the Lord of the Rings movies, the Hobbit movies SHOULD feel more "fantasy"-like or "fairy tale"-like, keeping in tone with the book. This is also why they have the so-called "CGI-filter" in a lot of scenes. People call it ugly and fake... meanwhile, I think it makes the scenes look like beautiful paintings in movements. Just because it doesn't look so-called "realistic" doesn't mean it's ugly. -_-
LOL Really? XD You know, that reminds me of the weird shit people say about Billy Connolly as Dain Ironfoot in Battle of the Five Armies. They question "why they had to make his face CGI"... and, now after watching the movie three times and seeing the behind-the-scenes stuff, I got to ask what the hell they are talking about?
"Durr, his face looks different than in the production footage"... yeah, so? That doesn't mean it's in CGI in the movie. Just like with the other dwarves, they altered the prosthetics. There is no CGI in his face in the movie, for crying out loud. -_-
LOL That's brilliant. XD Did the idiot who wrote that see this, by the way?
I mean, really now... people just want to respond with hatred as much as they can. But... meh, what can you do? At least people like you and I love and appreciate the movies.
What the fuck?! People say the CGI of Smaug and Azog is bad?! It looks fucking amazing, what the hell are they even talking about?!
Crazy, right? I mean just look at this:
45.media.tumblr.com/74db3e79b9…
All those little subtle emotions on his face could have never been done with prostetics... Not to mention, with prostetics, you would have limited yourself to 7.7 foot "actors", and I don't see that turning out too well... CGI also allows orcs to have different proportions, that could never be done with practical effects... And it really doesn't look any worse, so what's with all the hate? Must be the same idiots, who think, that drawing with photoshop doesn't actually require drawing skills... -_-
all just because they can SEE it's CGI.
It's not even that. Many of them have prooven time and time again, that they can't actually tell the difference, because the CGI was so good... It's just this stupid mindset, that CGI isn't "real", so it has to be fake looking... And that somehow, any art that's done with computers instead of with human hands is somehow inferior...
And that mindset isn't even exclusive to CGI, for example, musicians who can take a keyboard and basically mimic the sound of guitars, drums, string instruments and basically even a whole orchestra, are usualy seen as having less skill than some guy who only knows how to play the guitar... Because he's playing a "real instrument"... -_-
I think part of the problem is also, that people these days are riddiculously spoiled by the entertainment media. They have literally thousands of movies, games, bands and books to choose from, often for free, and the media just drilled this "you are the number one, you are the center of the universe" mindset into the heads of most people...
Which really seems to be the main source of them being so bloody arrogant, ignorant and entitled all the damn time...
Taking their oversized egos down a notch wouldn't hurt the world...
LOL That's brilliant. XD Did the idiot who wrote that see this, by the way?
Don't know, don't care. He wouldn't admit he was an idiot, of that I'm fairly certain. But then again, people who base their opinions on drawing logical conclusions from things don't end up posting comments like that in the fist place...
I mean, really now... people just want to respond with hatred as much as they can.
I know, and the really sad thing is, that this attitude will just grow seeds of hatred and negativity in even those people, who normally wouldn't be like that. Like I'm sure both you and me can get EXTREMELY frustrated by seeing this kind of attitude all over the bloody internet.
I just find it really depressing, that most people abuse the anonimity of the internet to behave like bloody assholes all the time. Is it really that hard to behave like a decent human being, just because one does not have to be affraid of getting punched in the face?
At least people like you and I love and appreciate the movies.
I just wish there was more of this mentality going around, and not just with the Hobbit. I mean there's a billion online forums, but you can barely find people, with whom you can have an intelligent and normal conversation, that involves being polite, and using actual arguments. It's almost all about bitching and being extremely mean and degrading towards everyone. I mean if I want to talk about my favorite movies, I can just go the say, IMDB forums right now, right? Nope, 98% of users there are only talking about negativities in an incredible entitled and rude manner...
I mean really, I just don't get it... Why can't people just find things they like and move on from things they don't? A little live and let live, you know? All this goddamn negativity going around won't help anyone...
Crazy, right? I mean just look at this:
45.media.tumblr.com/74db3e79b9…
All those little subtle emotions on his face could have never been done with prostetics... Not to mention, with prostetics, you would have limited yourself to 7.7 foot "actors", and I don't see that turning out too well... CGI also allows orcs to have different proportions, that could never be done with practical effects... And it really doesn't look any worse, so what's with all the hate? Must be the same idiots, who think, that drawing with photoshop doesn't actually require drawing skills... -_-
all just because they can SEE it's CGI.
It's not even that. Many of them have prooven time and time again, that they can't actually tell the difference, because the CGI was so good... It's just this stupid mindset, that CGI isn't "real", so it has to be fake looking... And that somehow, any art that's done with computers instead of with human hands is somehow inferior...
And that mindset isn't even exclusive to CGI, for example, musicians who can take a keyboard and basically mimic the sound of guitars, drums, string instruments and basically even a whole orchestra, are usualy seen as having less skill than some guy who only knows how to play the guitar... Because he's playing a "real instrument"... -_-
I think part of the problem is also, that people these days are riddiculously spoiled by the entertainment media. They have literally thousands of movies, games, bands and books to choose from, often for free, and the media just drilled this "you are the number one, you are the center of the universe" mindset into the heads of most people...
Which really seems to be the main source of them being so bloody arrogant, ignorant and entitled all the damn time...
Taking their oversized egos down a notch wouldn't hurt the world...
LOL That's brilliant. XD Did the idiot who wrote that see this, by the way?
Don't know, don't care. He wouldn't admit he was an idiot, of that I'm fairly certain. But then again, people who base their opinions on drawing logical conclusions from things don't end up posting comments like that in the fist place...
I mean, really now... people just want to respond with hatred as much as they can.
I know, and the really sad thing is, that this attitude will just grow seeds of hatred and negativity in even those people, who normally wouldn't be like that. Like I'm sure both you and me can get EXTREMELY frustrated by seeing this kind of attitude all over the bloody internet.
I just find it really depressing, that most people abuse the anonimity of the internet to behave like bloody assholes all the time. Is it really that hard to behave like a decent human being, just because one does not have to be affraid of getting punched in the face?
At least people like you and I love and appreciate the movies.
I just wish there was more of this mentality going around, and not just with the Hobbit. I mean there's a billion online forums, but you can barely find people, with whom you can have an intelligent and normal conversation, that involves being polite, and using actual arguments. It's almost all about bitching and being extremely mean and degrading towards everyone. I mean if I want to talk about my favorite movies, I can just go the say, IMDB forums right now, right? Nope, 98% of users there are only talking about negativities in an incredible entitled and rude manner...
I mean really, I just don't get it... Why can't people just find things they like and move on from things they don't? A little live and let live, you know? All this goddamn negativity going around won't help anyone...
Yeah... not much to add on these things without sounding redundant, even though I did read through all that you said. 
Though, I'm curious... have you seen the Extended Edition of Battle of the Five Armies yet? I pre-ordered it, so I have recieved it on DVD. XD And... I will admit, the theatrical version felt incomplete and kinda choppy and odd even though I still loved it - but holy shit, the extended cut fixes all the problems I hade with the theatrical cut.
Now when my collection finally is complete, I'm really looking forward to having a marathon of all six movies. Will probably take 3-6 days, but it's worth it.
And I can finally watch it in the right order - the Hobbit movies first, and the Lord of the Rings movies later. I just hope it won't feel underwhelming watching Lord of the Rings right after. Because... that was a big problem for me with first watching the Star Wars prequels and then watching the original trilogy. When I say "underwhelming", I mean spectacle-wise with the visual effects.
But on the other hand, the Hobbit movies feel like they compliment the Lord of the Rings movies a LOT more. Heck, I always felt like something was missing even the first time I saw the first Lord of the Rings movie. Galadriel knowing Gandalf without the audience knowing anything about it, Bilbo's adventure seeing the trolls and the dragon and mountains... not to mention, we FINALLY know who Balin is so we can feel bad about him being dead and Gimli being sad about it.
You know, while I think it's awesome people love the books and it's completely fine they prefer them over the movies (because, all subjective opinions should be encouraged after all)... some people can really be jackasses about it. Like, I was in a conversation yesterday actually about the Hobbit movies on a livestream, also talking about the Lord of the Rings movies. And, one person said:
"Oh, the movies are great, but they are NOTHING compared to the books. You should read them, because they are SO good!"
I responded with that it feels rather hurtful to being told as if it's an objective fact that the 6 movies that are closest to my heart are nothing compared to the source material... especially since it's disrespectful towards all the work and effort Peter Jackson and everyone else have done on the movies, and books really aren't anything for me. I questioned why they are "nothing compared to the books". And, she said this:
"Well, a lot of things are wrong in the movies. For one thing, Azog is dead in the books."
... so, according to this person, it's "wrong" just because they changed things from the books. Which is really fucking stupid to say. Heck, what if Azog is my favorite character of the movies? Yeah, that would be a really good reason to read the books, right?
Plus... a LOT of things were improved from the books from what I've been learning to understand. Not just because the Hobbit movies compliments Lord of the Rings a lot more than the Hobbit book did, but a lot of other reasons as well.
Like... Boromir was mostly just a plot device in the book, to tell us what happens when a human gets corrupted by the Ring. In the movie, he's a sympathetic 3-dimensional character trying to struggle against what the Ring does to him, and we feel bad about him dying. Another thing they seemed to have improved is with removing Tom Bombadill... because, he apparently is just an all-powered shmuck who chooses to do nothing, and is completely pointless to the story. XP
Heck, have you seen Linkara's reviews of a Hobbit comic? He explains in those reviews how he thinks the Hobbit movies are improvements over the book, and how much he does love and enjoy them. Like, saying that it feels like it's a completely new story all of a sudden after Smaug dies, like it should be it's own movie... which is just what Peter Jackson did. And... to go back to the issues we've talked about with haters, that's strangely what they complain about. And it just makes no sense to complain about.
Though, I'm curious... have you seen the Extended Edition of Battle of the Five Armies yet? I pre-ordered it, so I have recieved it on DVD. XD And... I will admit, the theatrical version felt incomplete and kinda choppy and odd even though I still loved it - but holy shit, the extended cut fixes all the problems I hade with the theatrical cut.
Now when my collection finally is complete, I'm really looking forward to having a marathon of all six movies. Will probably take 3-6 days, but it's worth it.
And I can finally watch it in the right order - the Hobbit movies first, and the Lord of the Rings movies later. I just hope it won't feel underwhelming watching Lord of the Rings right after. Because... that was a big problem for me with first watching the Star Wars prequels and then watching the original trilogy. When I say "underwhelming", I mean spectacle-wise with the visual effects. But on the other hand, the Hobbit movies feel like they compliment the Lord of the Rings movies a LOT more. Heck, I always felt like something was missing even the first time I saw the first Lord of the Rings movie. Galadriel knowing Gandalf without the audience knowing anything about it, Bilbo's adventure seeing the trolls and the dragon and mountains... not to mention, we FINALLY know who Balin is so we can feel bad about him being dead and Gimli being sad about it.
You know, while I think it's awesome people love the books and it's completely fine they prefer them over the movies (because, all subjective opinions should be encouraged after all)... some people can really be jackasses about it. Like, I was in a conversation yesterday actually about the Hobbit movies on a livestream, also talking about the Lord of the Rings movies. And, one person said:
"Oh, the movies are great, but they are NOTHING compared to the books. You should read them, because they are SO good!"
I responded with that it feels rather hurtful to being told as if it's an objective fact that the 6 movies that are closest to my heart are nothing compared to the source material... especially since it's disrespectful towards all the work and effort Peter Jackson and everyone else have done on the movies, and books really aren't anything for me. I questioned why they are "nothing compared to the books". And, she said this:
"Well, a lot of things are wrong in the movies. For one thing, Azog is dead in the books."
... so, according to this person, it's "wrong" just because they changed things from the books. Which is really fucking stupid to say. Heck, what if Azog is my favorite character of the movies? Yeah, that would be a really good reason to read the books, right?
Plus... a LOT of things were improved from the books from what I've been learning to understand. Not just because the Hobbit movies compliments Lord of the Rings a lot more than the Hobbit book did, but a lot of other reasons as well.Like... Boromir was mostly just a plot device in the book, to tell us what happens when a human gets corrupted by the Ring. In the movie, he's a sympathetic 3-dimensional character trying to struggle against what the Ring does to him, and we feel bad about him dying. Another thing they seemed to have improved is with removing Tom Bombadill... because, he apparently is just an all-powered shmuck who chooses to do nothing, and is completely pointless to the story. XP
Heck, have you seen Linkara's reviews of a Hobbit comic? He explains in those reviews how he thinks the Hobbit movies are improvements over the book, and how much he does love and enjoy them. Like, saying that it feels like it's a completely new story all of a sudden after Smaug dies, like it should be it's own movie... which is just what Peter Jackson did. And... to go back to the issues we've talked about with haters, that's strangely what they complain about. And it just makes no sense to complain about.
View all replies