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Don't get me wrong on the Mary Sue thing, I can totally see where you're coming from, and in light of other female protagonists that Anne's written since, Lessa is rather underdeveloped. But Lessa was also one of the first strong female leads in the scifi/fantasy genre of the day, one of the reasons people can forgive the character for being rough around the edges. By White Dragon her Mary Sueishness is very much gone and she is a much more complex person.

I was so mad at how Todd screwed the pooch with Dragon Harper  (and in particular how it was very obvious Anne never actually looked at the rough draft despite signing her name to it) that I have never looked up an interview with him. I did once run across a fan blog once, of a woman who had the opportunity to meet both authors Anne at one time in the late 90's and Todd after his mum had died. She had asked Anne about girls on blues, and at the time had said of course they could ride blues, as Kitty Ping never had not played around with the genetics of either blue or greens. Todd, when approached and asked why a dragon changed color from blue to bronze in a matter of three pages told the same fan to piss off. Granted he might have been having a bad day, or this fan might have been rude about asking, but it sounds really bad when a large portion of your readership already notices spelling and grammatical errors, and then the author tells a fan to piss off rather than say 'oh, that was my mistake, I should have caught that during a re-read.'

(I hated Dragon Harper because it was massively unbelievable that the apprentice would learn to master swordfighting in under a week. Also I found the whole relationship with the Lord Holder's daughter, from their meeting, to her repeatided attempt to get into his pants unbelievable. And lastly, I really irritated that he ripped off his mum's plague plot to close out the book and kill off all the characters he no longer felt like writing about. Particularly when in the back of the book he takes about the Great Influenza Pandemic following WWI and how it mirrors the events in his books. But it doesn't, because he doesn't kill off the right age groups he supposedly targeted by using influenza as his plague of choice. )

I apologize for my long winded vitriolic rant, but bad writing really irritates me, particularly when Anne was so stringent that people not write fanfics based in Pern because she didn't want the world sullied by bad writing.

I only started writing my fanfics after I read Todd's stuff. I figured I could at least attempt something a little more professional.

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Yes i supposed that.... as it's considered that the first book is of 1968 (a pretty much peculiar age about growing coscience of the women's discriminations): and that she was the first woman to get the Hugo Prize.
I can understand the whole background of such decision and it was a good thing.
" Todd, when approached and asked why a dragon changed color from blue to bronze in a matter of three pages told the same fan to piss off. "
Oh gosh.. but...that's what EDITORS are for xD Helping the author and making lots of checking for grammar and reptitions in the lines.
Well.. don't worry for this venting, i understand it... having had a number of issues with some authors (we've an italian author, named Licia Troisi, that's the biggest publishing house in italy made huge advertise and sell her books... but some are so terribly wrote to be ridicolous... with huge mary sue, flat antagonists, no development, deus ex-machina, god mod, magical rules given and then broken with no explains etc..).
Thank you for your words ^^ By the way, if you kike dragons, the user AMCALmaron here suggested me such interesting series.. i already started to read it and seems very nice!
Age of Fire, it has 100% dragons point of view xD
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If I may, Todd's lack of a copy editor (those are editors assigned to specific series to make sure the details remain consistant book to book) isn't the only one I've noticed in recent years. American science fiction has suffered from the commercialization of the genre for the past oh~ fifteen years or so. To save money and push out books faster publishing houses no longer assign copy editors, just temporary editors, sometimes several for the same book, and rarely have these editors actually bothered to read other books in the same series. It leads to these issues that makes me, as a fan, absolutely crazy.

Age of Fire huh? I'll have to look into that, if my life ever gets a little less hectic. ^_^

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Oh thats' bad i think... sadly there is also here a bit. But luckily some smaller publishing groups (and a big one, but historical) take much more care.
If you like a story all from the dragon's perspective, that's the best exemple ^^ i just started it today xD it's quiet interesting but maybe a bit violent in some scenes for someone's tastes (i'm fine with it).
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Violence, as long as it's important to the plot, doesn't bother me at all.
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Well.. basically we can say that follow a dragon-point of view in a fantasy world that include humans...
And there is a quiet interesting scene with the young dragon (protagonist) eating one.
Also there is a scene with fraternal fight to death just after the hatching... sort of fight for survival of the strongest males in the clunch. BTW, both scene are quiet well wrote (i read only the beginning) and in some way push well the reader in getting "into" the dragon point of view that consider quiet normal both the events.
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I seem to remember the firelizards turning cannabalistic from hunger of birth in Dragonquest. I think it's also mentioned in Dragonsdawn, but I don't recall hearing about it in the Harperhall Trilogy.

*shrugs*

I'm old school, I rather like Anne McCaffery's writings although most of the stuff after Renegades of Pern started to feel like she was losing interest in Pern. Dragonseye/Red Star Rising is the exception to that. Masterharper of Pern bothered me because it was the one time I felt like Ann was trying too hard. She claims in the beginning of the book that this was a story that she had planned out but not started for years, and in many ways it shows, because she plays fast and loose with some of the events alluded to in other Pern novels, events that felt hurried in Materharper where as in the other stories they have more of a deliberate pace to them, and they were important to the plot. Granted that's usually my complaint about prequels, so perhaps that's just me.

I like stories from the dragon's point of view, but I sometimes wonder if that's always the best choice for a story. I mean, when writing I try to write in a manner that is identifiable to the reader, something a large and (potentially) alien as a dragon makes it hard for me to identify with. I applaud anyone who can write dragons as main characters and still make it identifiable to readers. 

 

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I will try to read them, but as i said the list of books to read it's llooooong xD

Well.. basically it's my favourite... the "animal literature", books that follow a non-human point of view. It's impossible to find a book that follow only the non-human instincts (or would be a zoology book), but many authors make interesting mix
This E.E.Knight sems to make a good work...
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