Comment on Happy 15th Birthday! by spyed
Well done 
I think it's amazing that a site can live this long. Both to sustain it's availability, and to stay within the same sort of "ownership" without being sold or changed somehow.
Speaking of the future and changes, I just wonder, what is the goal there? I mean, if you could put it in a phrase, what is the idea that you're going for? Just to update everything and make it shiny and new? To reach a wider audience? To change the idea of an art community into something different?
I see a lot of weird changes, and it really makes me wonder. You're changing things left and right, but you haven't explained why this is all happening.
Thanks, and congrats
I think it's amazing that a site can live this long. Both to sustain it's availability, and to stay within the same sort of "ownership" without being sold or changed somehow.Speaking of the future and changes, I just wonder, what is the goal there? I mean, if you could put it in a phrase, what is the idea that you're going for? Just to update everything and make it shiny and new? To reach a wider audience? To change the idea of an art community into something different?
I see a lot of weird changes, and it really makes me wonder. You're changing things left and right, but you haven't explained why this is all happening.
Thanks, and congrats
I agree with you, especially concerning the unanswered 'why'?
I've been watching the recent Core update tear apart the community. If Deviantart explained their goals fully and honestly, instead of secretly making the Core update and nearly doubling the price of membership without as much as a journal or message officially explaining it, then the community wouldn't be as divided as it is now.
I admire their efforts and attempts to make this site the great site it is, but their lack of explanation, that so many of us could really do with right now, is one of their key issues.
I've been watching the recent Core update tear apart the community. If Deviantart explained their goals fully and honestly, instead of secretly making the Core update and nearly doubling the price of membership without as much as a journal or message officially explaining it, then the community wouldn't be as divided as it is now.
I admire their efforts and attempts to make this site the great site it is, but their lack of explanation, that so many of us could really do with right now, is one of their key issues.
Yes exactly.
So I was right in thinking there was no journal or whatever explaining the change in symbol and (I learn now) the price jump? That seems rather odd, considering they usually explain any new thing that big.
But yes, an explanation there would do a lot of good in at least giving people a reference point or some perspective on things. Granted, haters are gonna hate, but the more mature thinkers out there can put things together.
So I was right in thinking there was no journal or whatever explaining the change in symbol and (I learn now) the price jump? That seems rather odd, considering they usually explain any new thing that big.
But yes, an explanation there would do a lot of good in at least giving people a reference point or some perspective on things. Granted, haters are gonna hate, but the more mature thinkers out there can put things together.
They main logo is an exact copy of a Russian site called PLATZKART. I had a fellow deviant point this out to me and they jumped the yearly membership by 50% without any word. dxd even wrote about it shortly after it happened. I agree with you. It surprised me that they did it without explaining it. I have been on here for over 8 years on my graphics art profile and I have never seen deviantART do something as huge as changing the prices of their PM without a journal explain about it before hand. Also, I am a beta tester and lately we have not been getting long to beta test anything at all or sometimes we do not even get to test it at all before it is released. I only got the PM to help dA as a beta tester, but with the current way it is going, I will not be renewing my now Core Membership and I will not allow anyone to buy me a Core Membership.
Like you and TheArtFrog, I believe is they give us an explanation it would help to smooth things over, but the longer they go without giving one the more people leave and the less likely new potentially members will want to join. For me, it is not the fact that is cost so much now, it is the fact that it jumped over night with no warning, they forced automatic paid members to pay the new prices without warning them, allowing them to op out of the new payment, and did not seem to care if they made the automatic paid members go broke, overdrawn, or if they had enough money to get by until they got their next paycheck. That along with the copy and paste message they keep giving people is driving most of the current members away. I will say this, I did try to be a little smart ass by sending in a bug report when I got a notification about deviantART's 15th birthday reporting that I received the 15th birthday notification, but did not received one about Core. Chris just sent me a reply that they will be releasing a statement about Core soon. -_- As it is, I have found another site that I have already set up membership at and if I do not get an answer soon or I am given an answer that does not settle well with me, I am gone. Again, I have been on here for over 8 years and it is hard for me to face people that know I have been on here for so long and have them ask me what is going on. I cannot give them an answer for once in my deviantART live and I cannot even point them into the direction where they can get the answers to their question now. It is driving me away because I feel like I am feeling the community that I have helped all these years by not knowing something that deviantART is keeping secret. This is why I feel like I need to leave, but at the same time I find it hard since I met my boyfriend on her along with all of my friends.
Like you and TheArtFrog, I believe is they give us an explanation it would help to smooth things over, but the longer they go without giving one the more people leave and the less likely new potentially members will want to join. For me, it is not the fact that is cost so much now, it is the fact that it jumped over night with no warning, they forced automatic paid members to pay the new prices without warning them, allowing them to op out of the new payment, and did not seem to care if they made the automatic paid members go broke, overdrawn, or if they had enough money to get by until they got their next paycheck. That along with the copy and paste message they keep giving people is driving most of the current members away. I will say this, I did try to be a little smart ass by sending in a bug report when I got a notification about deviantART's 15th birthday reporting that I received the 15th birthday notification, but did not received one about Core. Chris just sent me a reply that they will be releasing a statement about Core soon. -_- As it is, I have found another site that I have already set up membership at and if I do not get an answer soon or I am given an answer that does not settle well with me, I am gone. Again, I have been on here for over 8 years and it is hard for me to face people that know I have been on here for so long and have them ask me what is going on. I cannot give them an answer for once in my deviantART live and I cannot even point them into the direction where they can get the answers to their question now. It is driving me away because I feel like I am feeling the community that I have helped all these years by not knowing something that deviantART is keeping secret. This is why I feel like I need to leave, but at the same time I find it hard since I met my boyfriend on her along with all of my friends.
I think the key is an explanation. They want to rename it? Fine. But a well thought-out journal explaining the reasoning would do a lot of good. And not one filled with marketing fluff either. And I can get over the favicon/logo change. But them trying to explain that it's still "DA" is just silly 
All I see is a "Z", with a bit of a twist.
I don't know. One thing they're changing—without any explanation—is their attitude about how staff interacts with members. They're much more of a business site than the old community that we all once felt. That alone is one thing that really bothers me.
All I see is a "Z", with a bit of a twist.I don't know. One thing they're changing—without any explanation—is their attitude about how staff interacts with members. They're much more of a business site than the old community that we all once felt. That alone is one thing that really bothers me.
Yes, I agree with you. I agree. I totally agree with you. Same here. I agree!!! XD Same here. That is all I see. Someone linked me to a video where all dA played was music, showed the original logo icon and than the new one never saying a word in the video what the new logo mark was suppose to mean. They just flash a D and A side by side and than show the new logo mark in it. -_-
Yeah, I have notice that. I remember when the staff use to be like one of us normal members. This is how I became friends with a former staff member when I just over 8 years ago. They gave me a lot of helpful advice when it came to improving my graphics with just using GIMP since that was the best art program I had at the time. Now, you are lucky to get a bless you if you sneeze from the staff. ;-; Yeah, that worries me for the future of the community. I can see why because it bothers me as well.
Yeah, I have notice that. I remember when the staff use to be like one of us normal members. This is how I became friends with a former staff member when I just over 8 years ago. They gave me a lot of helpful advice when it came to improving my graphics with just using GIMP since that was the best art program I had at the time. Now, you are lucky to get a bless you if you sneeze from the staff. ;-; Yeah, that worries me for the future of the community. I can see why because it bothers me as well.
dA, the community, is sort of at risk. I really hope things can turn around.
But this all might just be an old member (like you) wishing that dA would never change. And change is inevitable for a site like this.
But this all might just be an old member (like you) wishing that dA would never change. And change is inevitable for a site like this.
I agree that it is. I really hope so to, but I have been looking for a life raft for me and others in case we have to abandon ship.
No, I do not mind change, I just do not like how this type of changed happened without warning or and explanation like the site has done in the past when it made changes including small not as noticeable changes. I know change has to happen in order everything to grow and that it is inevitable, but even in life we have warning signs that a change is about to happen if you just pay attention and listen. Heck, without change, we would not be the humans we all are today. (Sorry, it is really early in the morning for me and with the fact that I have insomnia and no work for two more days, which normally I can make myself sleep if I have to work, but I cannot sleep so I feel like I am rambling and not making any sense. I will leave you alone if you want me to.)
No, I do not mind change, I just do not like how this type of changed happened without warning or and explanation like the site has done in the past when it made changes including small not as noticeable changes. I know change has to happen in order everything to grow and that it is inevitable, but even in life we have warning signs that a change is about to happen if you just pay attention and listen. Heck, without change, we would not be the humans we all are today. (Sorry, it is really early in the morning for me and with the fact that I have insomnia and no work for two more days, which normally I can make myself sleep if I have to work, but I cannot sleep so I feel like I am rambling and not making any sense. I will leave you alone if you want me to.)
View all replies
It really bugs me that, after announcing even the slightest of updates and things recently, they haven't made any in regards to this core thing. It feels as if they were trying to change it secretly, and if it wasn't for the bright red logo, it would probably have gone unnoticed for a short while. Since we're all in the dark about this, it has definitely has damaged the attitudes and opinions of most deviants towards the staff.
I couldn't have put it better than you have in your last comment though. Even a little perspective on things would be nice.
I couldn't have put it better than you have in your last comment though. Even a little perspective on things would be nice.