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OH wow <3 ;__; That actually made me feel a hell of a lot better, LOL. I feel like I failed myself, missing my deadline. Like, "how am I supposed to make it in the world of pro comics when I can't get these two pages done on time? They pump out like 20+ pages a month" so knowing that I at least inspired somebody (who happens to be super talented!) with my weekly webcomic is like, cathartic. Thank you!!

LOL well keep in mind, this is all a flashback from Chance while he's in prison ;) So the conversation between them and Dark Kat still isn't over, just super imposing what *actually* happened as a retrospective contrast to what Dark Kat had been saying. We'll get back to the "good old boys" on the next page ;) 
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I'm glad :hug:

Ah, I got it now, that flashback where you just see his hands on his lap, transitioning from the prison cell to the couch in the scrap yard. It's feels kind of cyclic, like it could have happened before or after they ended up in the scrapyard an you'll only find out which order if you keep reading.  I love the flashbacks with the conversation overlay.  Rather poetic.

Well here's the thing, are you making this comic full time and being paid for your time?  If you were doing this as an actual job, you'd be compensated for your time and your hands would be freed up to just work on this without living expenses bugging you. You could afford to put out those 20 pages a month. If this is a side gig and you have to work/go to school on the side WHILE updating TWICE a week, that's pretty darn good if you ask me considering you aren't getting a dime for this(?) It's good you still schedule yourself regardless but don't be too down on yourself if you overshoot once in the blue. :-)
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"I love the flashbacks with the conversation overlay. Rather poetic." 

*HANDS IN THE AIR!* THANK YOU! THAT MEANS A LOT!! I feel like that's where the "art" in comics really capitalizes and like, the thought of that stuff grips me, you have no idea. It's like one of those things I've aspired to doing forever and then SOMEBODY VALIDATES DEM RESULTS AW YIS


"Well here's the thing, are you making this comic full time and being paid for your time?  If you were doing this as an actual job, you'd be compensated for your time and your hands would be freed up to just work on this without living expenses bugging you. You could affordto put out those 20 pages a month. If this is a side gig and you have to work/go to school on the side WHILE updating TWICE a week, that's pretty darn good if you ask me considering you aren't getting a dime for this(?) It's good you still schedule yourself regardless but don't be too down on yourself if you overshoot once in the blue." 

Hmmm. You know, I guess that makes sense. I work two jobs while doing this comic (yes for free) on the side, so... I think that actually DOES make good sense then, yeah. Also, isn't it the norm for a comic artist to not have to do *all* the tasks? After Kristen Sharpe and SK Sage wrote the fic, I wrote the adapted script, and then did all penciling, inking, screentoning AND lettering. So... maybe time wise it actually evens out. I'd just hate it if it wound up I was too slow to take on a job for a comic publishing company after finishing this webcomic. 

Dude, THANK you. That really helped to read. Rock on *bro fist!*
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Indeed, it's the basic showing vs telling. You know how many comics in OFFICIAL publication are full of text boxes? You do comics like a cinematic storyboard :thumbsup:

I find many INDIE comic artists find themselves doing the work of an entire team starting out.  In the industry you have separate teams doing the writing, penciling, inking, color, lettering and such. In my own freelancing I take into account that I'm doing the work of an entire team and factor that into my time and rates.

Also been researching official submission guidelines so I have a framework to work towards jasonthibault.com/definitive-l…

:iconbrofistplz: You're welcome! 8D
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That's super cool! I'm sure you'd have NO problem getting for-hire OR creator-owned work. Your stuff is appealing AND marketable as fuck, and can also swing into mainstream, too. I'm kinda wondering if there IS a place where my work would be marketable in a for-hire setting. It's not mainstream looking, and I'm just... not into superheroes. Which seems to be the vast majority of for-hire work. Honestly, I'm kind of stuck when it comes to... how to develop my portfolio/future next. I've done freelance, sure, but stopped taking clients for illustration a few years ago, making money doing other media stuff/odd jobs while I reassessed my relationship with art, and now that I wanna get back in, I'm kinda... at a loss of who'd even fucking hire my portfolio, or, what. I dunno. IM GONNA GET A MENTOR
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(Thanks!)

I'm not much into the standard superheros like Marvel or DC either ^^ Are those what you mean by 'mainstream'? The comic market is MUCH more diverse than that especially now that Interwebs has put more power into the hands of the indie creator :-)

I feel you on that.  I'm getting back into the swing of things myself.  I'm no mentor so this is with a grain of salt.  For now, I just do work that I CARE about and enjoy.  You obviously care very much about this comic you are currently doing and it shows in the quality. I know as a reader/viewer, I want to hear YOUR voice.

I do freelance to help sustain myself but I always try to set aside time for the work that reflects my voice because I have things to say. Doing so energizes me and keeps the creativity flowing. In the process I listen to music I like and watch shows that inspire my vision.

And of course, stay connected to the art community! We need fellowship~
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"I'm not much into the standard superheros like Marvel or DC either ^^ Are those what you mean by 'mainstream'?" 

Yeah basically :) 

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 The comic market is MUCH more diverse than that especially now that Interwebs has put more power into the hands of the indie creator :-) (Smile)

While this is true, when you're referring to for-hire wages for comic book artists... indie creators/interwebs don't really seem to offer those sort of financial opportunities or steady work. But if you know of other comic book publishers that seek for-hire work for non-mainstream comic artists, I'd love to know! <3 

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I feel you on that.  I'm getting back into the swing of things myself.  I'm no mentor so this is with a grain of salt.  For now, I just do work that I CARE about and enjoy.  You obviously care very much about this comic you are currently doing and it shows in the quality. I know as a reader/viewer, I want to hear YOUR voice."

Sounds like we're in a similar boat actually :) And THANKS! I really feel like creator-owned stuff is where I belong, but as for making a living off illustration... I sometimes wonder if I've shot myself in the foot with my portfolio/style. I dunno. I've been up to my eyeballs with BUSY lately, but hopefully soon I can get myself a mentor, even if I have to pay for one @__@

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I do freelance to help sustain myself but I always try to set aside time for the work that reflects my voice because I have things to say. Doing so energizes me and keeps the creativity flowing. In the process I listen to music I like and watch shows that inspire my vision."

Man, that sounds like living the dream to me! I haven't done freelance for ages now, been doing other stuff for monies and want to re-enter the market but this time, say no to bad clients (ew) 

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And of course, stay connected to the art community! We need fellowship~"

Well, I certainly like you, your work and your attitude! :3 Lets be bro's, yo!
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Freelancing isn't always easy but it's a decent supplement and I conduct myself as professionally as possible. No one is hiring substantially in my area at the moment and I thank God I have this to lean on. I keep reaching out, researching, and networking. I voice my needs and concerns and people reach back. Sometimes things turn up, other times not.  It's like scattering seed.

Also, if you're concerned about the quality of your portfolio I saw several sites, articles and youtube channels on the subject.  Mayhaps you want to check those out? I was also looking at Image and Dark Horse comics and their guidelines for accepting work. I started scrapbooking possible leads and investigating them one-by-one.

It seems the challenge all artists face is sustaining ourselves so we can literally buy the time we need to work.  It makes me hate money but unfortunately we need it in this world. It's just getting rid of that nagging financial pressure >_<

Are you familiar with Patreon?  Fellow deviants recommended it to me.  It's not a guaranteed substantial living but it is a useful seed to toss out there.  It certainly worked out awesome for Tracyjb. I have mine here as a tip jar of sorts www.patreon.com/risenart?ty=h

And ditto, homie!  You have SO MUCH to offer. If it's alright, I am praying for you that you get the support you need to cultivate your craft because it's important and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. :thumbsup:=D
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