Comment on Fanart: FFXII Vaan by karniz
I figured as much, which is why I decided to point it out in hopes that you may be able to recognize it and improve on it.
As a teacher of figure drawing and art in general, I would have to say that the spacing between the eyes is, in fact, more correct to the actual spacing of a human face then that of an exaggerated and cartoon-like Eastern/Anime style. I have noticed that Karniz mixes a nice balance of Eastern and Western styles and that her facial drawing style center more towards our Western style rather then her bodies which take on a much more Eastern feel to them.
You should do a little research on the different comic styles and actual human anatomy as it could be really helpful for your critiques in the future! It also helps to have more of an eye for detail so that your critiques can be of more help rather then a simpleton comment such as "I noticed that your eyes are too close together". When giving a helpful and honest critique in art we don't want to just point out what seems wrong to us. Rather, we want to point out what seems wrong and have insightful advice that can actually help the artist improve instead of them having to figure out how to improve this imperfection themselves!
You should do a little research on the different comic styles and actual human anatomy as it could be really helpful for your critiques in the future! It also helps to have more of an eye for detail so that your critiques can be of more help rather then a simpleton comment such as "I noticed that your eyes are too close together". When giving a helpful and honest critique in art we don't want to just point out what seems wrong to us. Rather, we want to point out what seems wrong and have insightful advice that can actually help the artist improve instead of them having to figure out how to improve this imperfection themselves!
Before you try to tell me that I need to improve my style and knowledge of anatomy, why don't you LOOK at my gallery and see how accurate my art is? And when you tell me what my critiques need to get better - 80% of the time the critiques that I leave are at LEAST a paragraph long. Don't get all pissed off because I gave an HONEST critique to a popular artist. Chill the fuck out. It's an opinion, and I think that I'm allowed to have one. I think that ANY artist should be grateful to receive an honest critique from a complete stranger who's only objective is to help them improve their art.
Chill the fuck out.
Now you are getting TOO excited about this.
Please refrain from cursing at anyone for any reason, for one it isn't needed in the least, and [to me] it makes it seem like you are on the attack.
And also, take into consideration what you said:
"ANY artist should be grateful to receive an honest critique from a complete stranger who's only objective is to help them improve their art."
I do know for a fact that there are artists out there that aren't looking for a critique - they should be asked for, not given without reason.
Deviantart has a method in their comments system that if an artist wants to recieve critiques, they have an option to request it in the comments dialouge... if the words "Critique Encouraged" isn't above the chatbox, it means that the artist is probably not wanting to recieve any sort of critique - and it should be noted by anyone who do give out critiques.
Basically, it's great when someone is requesting critiques because they believe their works need some looking at, but it's not really needed/kind/wanted if the artist doesn't ask for it, or if they feel they don't need it, or for any reason that is personal to the artist.
And I feel it's best if we drop this, you've made your point, you may reply if you want but if it's going to be rude in any shape I will be hiding/blocking it.
Now you are getting TOO excited about this.
Please refrain from cursing at anyone for any reason, for one it isn't needed in the least, and [to me] it makes it seem like you are on the attack.
And also, take into consideration what you said:
"ANY artist should be grateful to receive an honest critique from a complete stranger who's only objective is to help them improve their art."
I do know for a fact that there are artists out there that aren't looking for a critique - they should be asked for, not given without reason.
Deviantart has a method in their comments system that if an artist wants to recieve critiques, they have an option to request it in the comments dialouge... if the words "Critique Encouraged" isn't above the chatbox, it means that the artist is probably not wanting to recieve any sort of critique - and it should be noted by anyone who do give out critiques.
Basically, it's great when someone is requesting critiques because they believe their works need some looking at, but it's not really needed/kind/wanted if the artist doesn't ask for it, or if they feel they don't need it, or for any reason that is personal to the artist.
And I feel it's best if we drop this, you've made your point, you may reply if you want but if it's going to be rude in any shape I will be hiding/blocking it.
And sorry... now that I've thought about what you said, saw your gallery and noticed the style in which YOU draw, I wanted to point out that I'm not an "anime" artist, so I don't draw a three-inch gap between eyes like the standard in the style, I draw my people more realistically...
if you have a normal sized and porportioned human face, you notice that you have a one to two inch gap between your eyes.
See here: [link]
In the standard anime style, the people are drawn with a far more exaggerated space between their eyes, like here: [link]
if you yourself don't see what I am talking about, then you prolly have a good distance between your eyes yourself so you see anything different as something wrong. Normally people do that when they themselves have a feature that's different, they tend to make it their own. Like how I dont' have a ridge on my own nose, but I do accept it that in drawings others can have it, it isn't an incorrect way of drawing a nose.
Now, before you critique an artist, don't base it on purely your own style... I took this particular image against my lil' proportions and faces book that I got for Figure Drawing class when I attended art school, and his face proportions match up just fine.
I don't want to make this seem like a defensive block against your critique - I only am noting this since I took my facts on this image, and there is nothing wrong with the space between his eyes.
If you would like, I can critique your works? Based on my proportions book, I could have a good time.
if you have a normal sized and porportioned human face, you notice that you have a one to two inch gap between your eyes.
See here: [link]
![[link]](http://www.carvingpatterns.com/woodarticles/images/face3.gif){kind=link}
In the standard anime style, the people are drawn with a far more exaggerated space between their eyes, like here: [link]
![[link]](http://www.anime-source.com/banzai/images/articles/happiness/HappinessSL05.jpg){kind=link}
if you yourself don't see what I am talking about, then you prolly have a good distance between your eyes yourself so you see anything different as something wrong. Normally people do that when they themselves have a feature that's different, they tend to make it their own. Like how I dont' have a ridge on my own nose, but I do accept it that in drawings others can have it, it isn't an incorrect way of drawing a nose.
Now, before you critique an artist, don't base it on purely your own style... I took this particular image against my lil' proportions and faces book that I got for Figure Drawing class when I attended art school, and his face proportions match up just fine.
I don't want to make this seem like a defensive block against your critique - I only am noting this since I took my facts on this image, and there is nothing wrong with the space between his eyes.
If you would like, I can critique your works? Based on my proportions book, I could have a good time.
Are you seriously going to have a bitch fit because you received an honest critique from a person who's only trying to help you improve? I'm sorry, I don't care how popular you are, but when I see something in your art that could use improvement, then I'm going to comment on it. Go ahead and erase it from your comments if you don't like it, but I'm not going to take it back and I'm not going to stand for another Deviant diva getting pissy because I said something they don't like. It's NOT based on my own style, it's based on the style of ANIME, which is the style that the picture was done in. What I said to you was a critique and in no way a personal attack, which you have attempted to do to me simply because you don't like what I said. =/ Go on, then, critique all my work, and I, being a real artist, will take every single thing you say into account and incorporate it into my next piece instead of whine about it and insult you.
1: You are getting a lil too excited about this.
2: I don't consider myself an anime artist - I don't watch nor really like anime. Please take that into consideration before you hastily imply that my style is derived from anime art.
3: I won't hide these comments, I'm not one of those "famous deviant divas" at all, but thank you for thinking I am one, it means I'm doing good in my work. I'm fairly unknown for a fact, and that doesn't bother me.
which you have attempted to do to me simply because you don't like what I said. =/
No, I said that because honestly I can give you critiques based on the bodies and faces that you yourself have drawn. You first and foremost mentioned how close my eyes are, but yet in most of your illustrations your eyes are not on the same plane of the face, tilted, and too far apart. How am I supposed to take a critique seriously when the critiquer doesn't follow or use proper proportions?
[Note: that I am not in any way attacking your art, if that is what you wish to believe, but it's an honest critique on the work I've seen as such.]
my next piece instead of whine about it and insult you.
and as I said, would you like me to really critique something of yours? I mean it.
And there is no insulting going on, you were just trying to give a critique. I understand that and if my reply seemed like I was annoyed by your comment it was only based on the fact that this is a sketch and not a serious illustration.
2: I don't consider myself an anime artist - I don't watch nor really like anime. Please take that into consideration before you hastily imply that my style is derived from anime art.
3: I won't hide these comments, I'm not one of those "famous deviant divas" at all, but thank you for thinking I am one, it means I'm doing good in my work. I'm fairly unknown for a fact, and that doesn't bother me.
which you have attempted to do to me simply because you don't like what I said. =/
No, I said that because honestly I can give you critiques based on the bodies and faces that you yourself have drawn. You first and foremost mentioned how close my eyes are, but yet in most of your illustrations your eyes are not on the same plane of the face, tilted, and too far apart. How am I supposed to take a critique seriously when the critiquer doesn't follow or use proper proportions?
[Note: that I am not in any way attacking your art, if that is what you wish to believe, but it's an honest critique on the work I've seen as such.]
my next piece instead of whine about it and insult you.
and as I said, would you like me to really critique something of yours? I mean it.
And there is no insulting going on, you were just trying to give a critique. I understand that and if my reply seemed like I was annoyed by your comment it was only based on the fact that this is a sketch and not a serious illustration.
I can understand you being upset that my comment was too short and perhaps less sugar-coated than more people would like, but honestly, I don't understand how you or anyone else can consider themselves an artist when they can't even accept the most basic criticism. I'm so tired of leaving long comments on the walls of people like yourself being shot down no matter what I say and how nicely I put it. Honest to God, go through your gallery and LOOK at the eyes, and you'll see what I mean. And yes, really, I'd love it if you completely ripped a new asshole in my art, and make sure to detail every single thing wrong that I do in every picture, because unlike most of these divas, I appreciate criticism and will do my very best to take into account every single negative thing that someone says and change it in my next piece, provided that I know a person really is just trying to help me and not, in fact, get back at me for critiquing one of their pieces harshly. =/ So go ahead and critique the hell out of me, and I'll love you all the more for it, and make sure to get better while you stay at the same level because you can't accept a criticism or "opinion" of someone who says something you don't like.