Comment on Keep The Flame by timsplosion
hey man, so what do you call yourself man , I'm just wondering.
For me a little family drama uh
For me a little family drama uh
I guess democratic socialist is probably the closest. Honestly I don't really think capitalism needs to be abolished, but it's obvious at this point that it's broken and in need of reform. And I'm just not optimistic enough to be an anarchosyndicalist. But reforming capitalism with democratic socialist ideas? That sounds more doable.
Ah, fair enough. Hope it all plays out ok.
Ah, fair enough. Hope it all plays out ok.
okay, for me I'm a Constitution republic, where you have life liberty and the pursuit of happiness
-but sadly democracy is just a stepping stone to a oligarchy, also in democratic is Majority rule all, and
-in a socialist everyone is poor, starving, and doesn't works about 4 times
-hear I quote ''I don't really think capitalism needs to be abolished, but it's obvious at this point that it's broken and in need of reform.''
do you mean let business back they'er right, so no more gender quotas and affirmative actions.
thanks man
-but sadly democracy is just a stepping stone to a oligarchy, also in democratic is Majority rule all, and
-in a socialist everyone is poor, starving, and doesn't works about 4 times
-hear I quote ''I don't really think capitalism needs to be abolished, but it's obvious at this point that it's broken and in need of reform.''
do you mean let business back they'er right, so no more gender quotas and affirmative actions.
thanks man
That first point sounds like you're anti-democracy. I'm not sure that's how you meant it, but that's how it comes across.
Also, the kind of socialism I'd like is the one that you'd find in Scandinavian countries like Norway. Free healthcare, free university, heavy public investment in clean energy, low poverty, livable wages. The only reason believing in that is called socialism is because every time I've tried to explain that that's what I think would be good, I get called socialist for it.
No, businesses, particularly multinational ones, are the ones breaking capitalism. Since the 80's they've effectively broken the trade union movement, meaning people have no means to collectively organise for higher wages. That's how you get Amazon's CEO being the richest in the world while his warehouse workers collapse from exhaustion and end up mentally ill from the stress of poverty. That's how you get Apple's CEO showing off the new iPhone while their workers jump out the windows of their factories. Unaccountable private power has flexed it's muscle to the detriment of the majority of people, and we need accountable public power to rebalance the scales in favour of average Joe. The power difference between today's financial elite and the man on the street is so vast it's a wonder the whole thing doesn't just flip upside down. Free marketeers claim that trade unions damage the free market, but I'd argue that unions are an important part of the market because they allow the labour force to set their own market rate for their work. Every other aspect of business gets to set their own prices, why shouldn't the workforce?
Also gender quotas and affirmative actions are slightly different issue. That's more about rebalancing from past injustices than it is specifically about the problems of capitalism.
Also, the kind of socialism I'd like is the one that you'd find in Scandinavian countries like Norway. Free healthcare, free university, heavy public investment in clean energy, low poverty, livable wages. The only reason believing in that is called socialism is because every time I've tried to explain that that's what I think would be good, I get called socialist for it.
No, businesses, particularly multinational ones, are the ones breaking capitalism. Since the 80's they've effectively broken the trade union movement, meaning people have no means to collectively organise for higher wages. That's how you get Amazon's CEO being the richest in the world while his warehouse workers collapse from exhaustion and end up mentally ill from the stress of poverty. That's how you get Apple's CEO showing off the new iPhone while their workers jump out the windows of their factories. Unaccountable private power has flexed it's muscle to the detriment of the majority of people, and we need accountable public power to rebalance the scales in favour of average Joe. The power difference between today's financial elite and the man on the street is so vast it's a wonder the whole thing doesn't just flip upside down. Free marketeers claim that trade unions damage the free market, but I'd argue that unions are an important part of the market because they allow the labour force to set their own market rate for their work. Every other aspect of business gets to set their own prices, why shouldn't the workforce?
Also gender quotas and affirmative actions are slightly different issue. That's more about rebalancing from past injustices than it is specifically about the problems of capitalism.
please watch this
youtu.be/gl-j163g-KY?t=629
youtu.be/gl-j163g-KY?t=629
"But these are all capitalist countries..." < That's basically all I need to hear.
Because yes, the main examples given are capitalist, but they have within them strong workers rights and publicly owned and run welfare and infrastructure. Whenever those policies get suggested in American political discourse, they get attacked as "socialist" or "communist". So fuck it. If Norway's free healthcare, free childcare, free university, reformed prison system, and green investment are going to be attacked as socialist, then why not just call myself a socialist for believing in it?
Because yes, the main examples given are capitalist, but they have within them strong workers rights and publicly owned and run welfare and infrastructure. Whenever those policies get suggested in American political discourse, they get attacked as "socialist" or "communist". So fuck it. If Norway's free healthcare, free childcare, free university, reformed prison system, and green investment are going to be attacked as socialist, then why not just call myself a socialist for believing in it?
1.So here the thing here I quot ''If Norway's free healthcare, free childcare, free university''
,but sadly the word free isn't free the money have come from somewhere, do to hyperinflation or
in high taxes.
2.So for 'reformed prison system' is that mean remove some of the petty crime as having cannabis
and other drug, child support also alimony where the person will go to jail and other there is no victim.
3. '' then why not just call myself a socialist for believing in it?'' the thing is that I don't want live in
nanny state where big brother watching over my or anyone, I could that you don't want that either.
p.s really enjoy talking to you it quite fun, I hope you can draw more of your art and talk about it.
,but sadly the word free isn't free the money have come from somewhere, do to hyperinflation or
in high taxes.
2.So for 'reformed prison system' is that mean remove some of the petty crime as having cannabis
and other drug, child support also alimony where the person will go to jail and other there is no victim.
3. '' then why not just call myself a socialist for believing in it?'' the thing is that I don't want live in
nanny state where big brother watching over my or anyone, I could that you don't want that either.
p.s really enjoy talking to you it quite fun, I hope you can draw more of your art and talk about it.
1. I'm not dumb - when I say free, it's shorthand for "free at the point of access". As in, when you walk through the door of the building you don't have to whip out your credit card. And yes, I support increasing taxes on those who can afford to pay in order to pay the cost of those schemes.
2. It's not just reducing prison sentences for non-violent offenders or ending the war on drugs. Their prisons are the most humane in the world, and also help produce the some of the lowest re-offending rates on the planet. Some of their prisons are basically walled towns where criminals can rehabilitate and learn to be a meaningful part of a society again - a skill they'll need in order to properly reintegrate with society upon their release.
3. I guess I fall into the category of "socialist libertarian", because you're right. I don't want a Big Brother state - I've spoken out against the NSA/GCHQ spying scandal following the Snowden revelations, and the militarisation of police is damaging to society. The law should ensure both individual freedom and the highest standard of living for the greatest number of people, and it's a false dichotomy to suggest that you can only have one.
Glad you like debate and stuff! It's nice talking to people who I perhaps disagree with but can still hold a conversation with. It's when it devolves into insults and ad hominem attacks that it just gets exhausting.
And don't worry. I have another comic ready to go as soon as I feel ready.
2. It's not just reducing prison sentences for non-violent offenders or ending the war on drugs. Their prisons are the most humane in the world, and also help produce the some of the lowest re-offending rates on the planet. Some of their prisons are basically walled towns where criminals can rehabilitate and learn to be a meaningful part of a society again - a skill they'll need in order to properly reintegrate with society upon their release.
3. I guess I fall into the category of "socialist libertarian", because you're right. I don't want a Big Brother state - I've spoken out against the NSA/GCHQ spying scandal following the Snowden revelations, and the militarisation of police is damaging to society. The law should ensure both individual freedom and the highest standard of living for the greatest number of people, and it's a false dichotomy to suggest that you can only have one.
Glad you like debate and stuff! It's nice talking to people who I perhaps disagree with but can still hold a conversation with. It's when it devolves into insults and ad hominem attacks that it just gets exhausting.
And don't worry. I have another comic ready to go as soon as I feel ready.
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