The fact that the Republicans have been complaining about Republican-designed healthcare solely because the Democrats implemented it and "LOL Dems Bad", despite the fact that it only exists because they also complained about Democrat-designed healthcare, has been known for pretty much ages now.
And you wonder why I roll my eyes at the Centrist Cultists.
And you wonder why I roll my eyes at the Centrist Cultists.
If you rolled your eyes at them, we wouldn't have a problem. It's really the yelling and the cussing we don't like.
1. I inherited my temper from my mom. If you think I'm bad, you should meet my mom and her side of the family.
2. You spend your entire time doing all the research and crafting up thoroughly-explained points, only to have them mostly ignored and unaddressed, bonus points if the person then lies you didn't give any facts or explain your point, and see what it does to your disposition and frustration levels. I find people treat me like dirt no matter how I behave, so I might as well vent some steam.
(And then add on that I get to deal with a whole lot of crap offline, too. My mom, in particular, loves to blame me for her own goofups, and my landlord is a lazy slumlord dick who threatens me with eviction every time I ask him to do anything that needs to get done in the apartment.)
2. You spend your entire time doing all the research and crafting up thoroughly-explained points, only to have them mostly ignored and unaddressed, bonus points if the person then lies you didn't give any facts or explain your point, and see what it does to your disposition and frustration levels. I find people treat me like dirt no matter how I behave, so I might as well vent some steam.
(And then add on that I get to deal with a whole lot of crap offline, too. My mom, in particular, loves to blame me for her own goofups, and my landlord is a lazy slumlord dick who threatens me with eviction every time I ask him to do anything that needs to get done in the apartment.)
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Just... So, I give a nice, calm, well-reasoned explanation of why I act the way I do and what my motivations are, and all you can do is give a smartass "lol nope" reaction which you know, like I said:
"[giving facts] and crafting up thoroughly-explained points, only to have them mostly ignored and unaddressed, bonus points if the person then lies you didn't give any facts or explain your point,"
And, well, like I said:
"and see what it does to your disposition and frustration levels. I find people treat me like dirt no matter how I behave, so I might as well vent some steam."
So hey, thanks for proving my point with your reaction, dude. Thanks for proving 100% why I don't waste my time trying to be nice versus just yelling and cussing at people.
Tell you what, when you folks stop treating me like dirt and ignoring/insulting my every attempt to hold a civil, well-reasoned debate, I'll stop getting frustrated and venting at you. How's that sound?
I know, inb4 asshole smartass response ignoring and refusing to address a single point I've made and then going, "LOL, but you're still wrong for not being love and sweetness to me even as I'm an asshole to you, LOL." Seriously, I don't get what you people want from me.
Why did you bother telling me I "shouldn't yell and cuss" if you were going to be an asshole to me the second I tried being nice and giving you a civil response? It's like, if you're going to act like an asshole to me every time I try to be civil and nice, then why exactly do you expect me to waste my time being civil and nice?
Seriously. It's just hilariously stupid. "LOL, don't yell and cuss, while I do the very thing that makes you want to yell and cuss!"
Just... So, I give a nice, calm, well-reasoned explanation of why I act the way I do and what my motivations are, and all you can do is give a smartass "lol nope" reaction which you know, like I said:"[giving facts] and crafting up thoroughly-explained points, only to have them mostly ignored and unaddressed, bonus points if the person then lies you didn't give any facts or explain your point,"
And, well, like I said:
"and see what it does to your disposition and frustration levels. I find people treat me like dirt no matter how I behave, so I might as well vent some steam."
So hey, thanks for proving my point with your reaction, dude. Thanks for proving 100% why I don't waste my time trying to be nice versus just yelling and cussing at people.
Tell you what, when you folks stop treating me like dirt and ignoring/insulting my every attempt to hold a civil, well-reasoned debate, I'll stop getting frustrated and venting at you. How's that sound?
I know, inb4 asshole smartass response ignoring and refusing to address a single point I've made and then going, "LOL, but you're still wrong for not being love and sweetness to me even as I'm an asshole to you, LOL." Seriously, I don't get what you people want from me.
Why did you bother telling me I "shouldn't yell and cuss" if you were going to be an asshole to me the second I tried being nice and giving you a civil response? It's like, if you're going to act like an asshole to me every time I try to be civil and nice, then why exactly do you expect me to waste my time being civil and nice?
Seriously. It's just hilariously stupid. "LOL, don't yell and cuss, while I do the very thing that makes you want to yell and cuss!"
You give a pathetic justification for treating most of us like absolute crap and then whine when I make fun of you for it? And that is your definition of civility? A passive aggressive few paragraphs filled with accusations of wrongdoing against most of the forum, and then a plea to understand your circumstances and that we shouldn't hold you to such a high standard because you need to "blow off steam"?
Your definition of a well reasoned debate is "I made an assertion and now you must prove it wrong." Even when we provide sources, you just say "nope, I have sources, thus you're wrong." There's no reasoning with you in any circumstance.
Grow up. You're what, a decade older than me? Surely you did SOME maturing somewhere in there? This is embarrassing.
Your definition of a well reasoned debate is "I made an assertion and now you must prove it wrong." Even when we provide sources, you just say "nope, I have sources, thus you're wrong." There's no reasoning with you in any circumstance.
Grow up. You're what, a decade older than me? Surely you did SOME maturing somewhere in there? This is embarrassing.
... You can't be serious.
Let's see here. Your entire post ignores and fails to accept and address a single thing I said in a civil and intellectually honest manner, and instead is full of strawmen, made-up fantasies, bad armchair psychology that pretends you magically know my thoughts and motivations better than I do, personal attacks, and accusing me of lying.
You also claim I'm wrong about the behavior of people here and how I get treated, while engaging in that very same behavior and engaging in that very same treatment.
And you wonder why I get frustrated and cuss and yell at people. ...and you also wonder why I call people stupid.
You can't be serious.Let's see here. Your entire post ignores and fails to accept and address a single thing I said in a civil and intellectually honest manner, and instead is full of strawmen, made-up fantasies, bad armchair psychology that pretends you magically know my thoughts and motivations better than I do, personal attacks, and accusing me of lying.
You also claim I'm wrong about the behavior of people here and how I get treated, while engaging in that very same behavior and engaging in that very same treatment.
And you wonder why I get frustrated and cuss and yell at people. ...and you also wonder why I call people stupid.
Whoosh. Over your head.
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I equate their contempt for the healthcare law while rejecting the "s"-word option to being anti-abortion but being anti-contraceptive at the same time. They've become the party of contrarians, rejecting even their own philosophical ideals based on who it is that implements them. If John McCain won in 2008 and implemented the ACA, they would support the healthcare law (just the same as I might oppose it). If John McCain killed bin Laden, they'd give him credit instead of the "Seal Team 6 did it". @______________@
I'm centrist in that I think the healthcare law is actually good. Do I get the eye roll?
I'm centrist in that I think the healthcare law is actually good. Do I get the eye roll?
Bingo. The Republican Party is, right now, the Party of Hating the Liberals. Well, and a side of Help the Rich.
And, no. There's a difference between centrists (little c) and the Cultists. Hell, I'm a moderate/centrist myself, I just accept that at the moment the liberals are putting on a MUCH better show as a general thing than the conservatives, unlike the Cultists.
And, no. There's a difference between centrists (little c) and the Cultists. Hell, I'm a moderate/centrist myself, I just accept that at the moment the liberals are putting on a MUCH better show as a general thing than the conservatives, unlike the Cultists.
You don't strike me as a moderate.
Addendum: Well, and also:
1. Quite frankly, many of the leftists are just as incapable of having an intellectually honest debate as many of the rightists. They too ignore facts, resort to personal attacks, engage in dubious logic, and so on. Just the details change. (Let's face it, most people on this forum regardless of left or right allegiance are incapable of having an intellectually honest adult debate.)
2. Leftists are really, really bad about the Perfect Solution Fallacy, where they will turn down anything that gets them less than 100% of what they want, and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them 100%.
Net result is that even when I agree with leftists they still tend to give me a headache.
1. Quite frankly, many of the leftists are just as incapable of having an intellectually honest debate as many of the rightists. They too ignore facts, resort to personal attacks, engage in dubious logic, and so on. Just the details change. (Let's face it, most people on this forum regardless of left or right allegiance are incapable of having an intellectually honest adult debate.)
2. Leftists are really, really bad about the Perfect Solution Fallacy, where they will turn down anything that gets them less than 100% of what they want, and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them 100%.
Net result is that even when I agree with leftists they still tend to give me a headache.
1. Gussie? Midnight?
2. You kind of do that yourself you know.
Net result is that even when I agree with leftists they still tend to give me a headache.
That's politics in general. If you're not getting a headache, you're doing it wrong.
2. You kind of do that yourself you know.
Net result is that even when I agree with leftists they still tend to give me a headache.
That's politics in general. If you're not getting a headache, you're doing it wrong.
Also, this is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about: [link]
I once wrote up a very sarcastic post about what everyone here expects from me, which I should have been smart and kept a bookmark to. Basically, everything I say is wrong, all facts I post either are wrong or I actually didn't post them, everyone knows my thoughts and motivations better than I do, and I have to accept all of this on faith the second someone says it. I also have to smile and be nice no matter how much I'm insulted or attacked, and respect all opinions as true and valid no matter how flawed they are.
I once wrote up a very sarcastic post about what everyone here expects from me, which I should have been smart and kept a bookmark to. Basically, everything I say is wrong, all facts I post either are wrong or I actually didn't post them, everyone knows my thoughts and motivations better than I do, and I have to accept all of this on faith the second someone says it. I also have to smile and be nice no matter how much I'm insulted or attacked, and respect all opinions as true and valid no matter how flawed they are.
*pat pat*
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1. Was more thinking of Psychro, Svataben, Pitch-Dove, and another left-libertarian whose name I'm blanking on (not Skullkey, he's normal) as the hopeless folks. Vision alternates between batshit crazy and slightly crazy.
There's more crazy leftists out there, but at this point, my inbox is turning into "Gee, how much dumbass shit do I get to respond to today?"
2. No. I attack illogical arguments, arguments that go against common sense without good explanations, arguments based on myths and/or strawmen, and arguments that go against facts without counter-facts presented. I have no issues with people who can disagree with me while still presenting an argument consistent with logic, common sense, and facts. There's just not many of them on this forum, as most people fall down crying and pissing and moaning the second they realize they're going to have to actually prove something.
3. Is it too much to ask that people are rational and use their brains? The more I discuss on this forum, the more I'm starting to feel like my ex-girlfriend was right and I really am just... smarter than most people. Every time I try treating people like mature adults that can handle a debate where everyone has to back up their arguments, points, and rebuttals with logic and facts, they disappoint me.
It's gotten to the point where I almost wonder why the fuck I even bother trying to do the research and get the hard facts and form solid arguments, because the other person is just going to go "Lol whatever" and ignore every single thing I say and link to. Bonus points if they then lie that I never post any facts, and only post unfounded opinions and whatnot.
Hell, I have one dipshit in a thread who took it up to eleven and not only denied every single fact I posted, but also denied his own article HE posted that he thought proved me wrong but actually proved him wrong because he didn't read it carefully enough. What's the point of being smart if everyone treats you like you're stupid anyway no matter how much hard facts and reality you throw at them, because not living in their fantasy world = you're stupid?
There's more crazy leftists out there, but at this point, my inbox is turning into "Gee, how much dumbass shit do I get to respond to today?"
2. No. I attack illogical arguments, arguments that go against common sense without good explanations, arguments based on myths and/or strawmen, and arguments that go against facts without counter-facts presented. I have no issues with people who can disagree with me while still presenting an argument consistent with logic, common sense, and facts. There's just not many of them on this forum, as most people fall down crying and pissing and moaning the second they realize they're going to have to actually prove something.
3. Is it too much to ask that people are rational and use their brains? The more I discuss on this forum, the more I'm starting to feel like my ex-girlfriend was right and I really am just... smarter than most people. Every time I try treating people like mature adults that can handle a debate where everyone has to back up their arguments, points, and rebuttals with logic and facts, they disappoint me.
It's gotten to the point where I almost wonder why the fuck I even bother trying to do the research and get the hard facts and form solid arguments, because the other person is just going to go "Lol whatever" and ignore every single thing I say and link to. Bonus points if they then lie that I never post any facts, and only post unfounded opinions and whatnot.
Hell, I have one dipshit in a thread who took it up to eleven and not only denied every single fact I posted, but also denied his own article HE posted that he thought proved me wrong but actually proved him wrong because he didn't read it carefully enough. What's the point of being smart if everyone treats you like you're stupid anyway no matter how much hard facts and reality you throw at them, because not living in their fantasy world = you're stupid?
Because the areas where I disagree with the left don't come up very often.
You can read my commentary in the thread on the Black Caucus, for instance. Or this rant against mainstream feminism: [link]
Well, and also the irony that the things I like about conservatism, things like fiscal conservatism and personal responsibility, the Democrats are actually handling better right now. (Which makes sense, since the Dems are really a center-right party.)
You can read my commentary in the thread on the Black Caucus, for instance. Or this rant against mainstream feminism: [link]
Well, and also the irony that the things I like about conservatism, things like fiscal conservatism and personal responsibility, the Democrats are actually handling better right now. (Which makes sense, since the Dems are really a center-right party.)