tweety901's avatar
How is it a fairy tale?
Derroflcopter's avatar
My views have changed some, but what I meant was that it's just as sentimental and it might just put us on an eternal hedonic treadmill with no visible goal other than the selfish, circular ambitions of our genes.

Perhaps I was pulling the heartstrings, but it still seems like chasing carrots.
tweety901's avatar
Well then you clearly have no idea what secular humanism is. Because in fact humanism supports cooporation and repricocity.

Unlike religion that claims we are sinners, gods mistake, abominations, rebels, inherently evil, ect humanists actually shows the potential in men. Humanism tells us that man can be compassionate, filled with empathy, cooporative, moral without the need of a god.

It is not the ambition of our genes, it is the ambition to make the short live we have on earth worthwhile, where as christians do it purely for the selfish act of getting a free-pass to heaven.
Derroflcopter's avatar
I think you misunderstood me. I know Humanists can be good and compassionate. I never said they weren't. I said our genes are selfish. The only reason why we are alive is because they want to eternally make more and more of themselves to no definate goal.

The problem lies in that last paragraph. I'm a Presbyterian, and personally as of now, I don't really care whether I wake up in heaven or go into an eternal coma.

Not to hurt your feelings, and I might just be dense, but this Humanist mission of "stuffing everything you can between two oblivions" is just as sentimental, illogical, and possibly delusional as afterlife is considered to be. Do two things, do a billion things, neither you or anybody else will give a rat's tail in the abyss. And how "worthwhile" can it really be? Even if you invent the Handheld Portal Device, there's no guarantee that all of humanity's progress won't be erased by a single gamma ray burst, supernova, or a self-inflicted antimatter bomb.

Yes, it's time for blind religious fundamentalism and extremism to beat it, but basic theism and spirituality isn't gonna go anywhere for a looooong time.